accordingly, depending on whether that top spot is available or not. we know leader hoyer is going to be running again. so, you know, it's not going to be a full -- probably not going to be a full, you know, complete revamp of house democratic leadership. certainly the younger members in that caucus are, you know, feel that it's their turn and that, you know, it's been the same people in the top positions for quite some time. >> politics reporter for "axios," lachlan markay, thank you so much for being with us, and thank you for getting up "way too early" with us on this thursday morning. i'm going to see you this weekend on "american voices." "morning joe" starts right now. as of now there's still some races that are too close to call. according to the media there was one clear loser. >> it's a bad, bad night for

donald trump. >> very bad night for donald trump. >> it is a bad night for trump. >> what i can tell you is the biggest loser tonight is donald trump. >> donald trump was the biggest loser of the night. >> he is the biggest loser in american politics. >> donald trump's not going to like this. [ applause ]. >> trump was so mad he ran up stairs and slammed the door of his tanning bed. ketchup everywhere. >> tanning bed. it's not a tanning bed. sometimes the goggles leave a -- >> and you would see the goggles, come on, you're not even trying anymore. i don't understand it. >> i think it's safe to say it was a bad night for donald trump. some of his allies urging him to delay the expected reelection announcement. one former top adviser suggesting trump should stay

away from georgia all together. as the senate runoff plays into december. >> stay away from georgia, donald. they don't want you there. >> so you know, willie, when we first started the show people are like, why are we getting joe. he doesn't know anything about it. one, i knew a lot about, i could look up on the platform, you know, during communist era, and i was a criminologist. >> that's right, you were. >> you could always tell, i would be like, watch for the white spot. >> cardinal montefiore. it's me. it's the same thing. so i'm walking down, going down to the orphanage, we've done enough election work.

i'm going past fox news. poof, white smoke. >> uh-oh. >> and then i went to news corp. headquarters, walked past, it's not the same thing you know. huge, billowing puff of white smoke over news corp. trumpty dumpty, you've got to go back to the early summer of 2015 to see this. now, the "way too early" opinion page has been tough on trump consistently. but the post now brutal, the daily news also. and he's just not looking well there. i don't know. >> that's some photo editing. >> that might be photo editing. but trump's bill fail also. >> he is going to go insane. >> he's going to go insane. he's going to blame his wife again. pro tip to guys, things are

going bad, don't blame your wife. let's get back to the "new york post." this is pretty big. murdoch has never liked donald trump. never liked him. put up with him. he knew that it was good business, but, man, they have turned on him, and they're looking, you know, vaticanologists tell me they are looking at youngkin. they like youngkin, a lot, and they'll do with desantis, but they want this guy gone. >> the last couple of days have shown that, and we have seen cracks too in the narrative at fox news as well. online, but also now on the air spilling over, how did this happen. they were dumb struck by the results of election tuesday night, and it all leads back to donald trump. there's no avoiding that. you can make the case that they have bad candidates, a lot of bad candidates were there because of donald trump. so all roads lead back to him, and they believe if tuesday night was any indication of where things headed, they just can't afford even politically to have him still pulling the

strings on the party. >> and talking about this off the top, first of all, because this drives so much republican thinking. >> it sure does. >> i know outside of my family, and that impacts the base, but also you see the conservatives that are attacking, and we're going to be talking about this soon. people who call themselves conservatives that aren't actually conservatives, trumpists and you realize we may be moving toward not the end, not the beginning of the end. but as churchill said. >> maybe, maybe. i mean, we've called that end the beginning before, i know i have. >> exactly. >> but, no, this really seems different because it's so concrete. they were so sure. they were just going to sweep these big majorities, you know, in the house and the senate, and it was going to be, you know, happy days are here again or the republican version of that, and it absolutely ain't that.

you know, so, you know, they got to look at trump who was responsible for a lot of this, look at those exit polls. look at those issues that voters were concerned about. they were concerned about democracy. they were concerned about abortion, and yes, they were concerned about inflation. but it wasn't all inflation. there are other things, and they were on the wrong side of these issues. >> most of the issues. i just want to say really quickly, there are people on twitter going, oh, everybody got it wrong. everybody said this, everybody said that. i must say, what we said all along, first of all, everything we say is wrong. that was the prelude to say we don't know it's going to happen. but we did keep saying, and i'm not bringing this up to say we were right, i'm bringing this up to say it's shocking what some of these polling aggregate places were doing. they made it look like a wave

election but putting in a bunch of bs republican polls, bs slanted polls, and we kept saying, and the people kept saying, this doesn't feel like a normal wave year. it could be. it should be. you look at inflation. you look at people saying -- it should be a wave year. it never felt like one to us here. >> yeah, should was the operative word there. by historical trends we bored people to death with the number but the plus 28 is the average in the last 90 years of what the out party picks up in the house. it's going to be a small handful. they were talking three nights ago, republicans were saying is it going to be 30, 40, 50 seats, how historic is it going to be. inflation as you mentioned, a president, joe biden they thought was weak. they thought they had crime going for them, immigration crisis, everything you fold into the number. it did not materialize, and it can't all be terrible candidates. they had a handful of those for

sure, but there was something else going on. >> on the expectations games, you would have well known polling sites, these bs polls, and they were saying to the very end that washington state was going to be competitive, colorado was going to be competitive. new hampshire was going the republicans' way. it was a huge massive lie. and some of these people are well known, being very angry that anybody would question that this might be a split down the middle. >> absolutely. and, you know, what i kept wondering was, anybody who's been paying attention to u.s. politics since like 2015, why would you think that any election is that predictable? >> it never is. >> the unexpected always happens. that's our politics these days. the country is polarized in a way that it hasn't been in my lifetime. i'm not saying it's the most polarized ever, but it hasn't been like this.

dobbs was an earthquake. it seemed to me like an inherently unpredictable situation. it didn't seem right. >> and willie, these things that we had worried might be too abstract for voters, not dobbs, one was january 6th, and we kept saying, we're obviously horrified by this. is this going to be brought home to people, and i really do believe paul pelosi being attacked by a guy quoting maga, and it wasn't just the attack because as we know, there are people who are crazy on both extremes. and both extremes obviously very capable of violence, just as steve scalise. but the reaction. >> yeah. >> of republicans. >> yeah. >> the reaction of donald trump.

the mocking, the ridicule, the hatred. it actually, they drew a straight line from january 6th, which may have been a little too abstract for some voters, and they brought it all the way to election day. the republicans, the hatred, the animosity, all the things that we were talking about and asking why are they being this way. show a little grace. they actually pulled january 6th, and the threat of political violence coming from the maga right. pulled it right to election day. and they paid for it. >> very specifically, i wonder how many votes that smirk is costing kari lake right now. you know, the way she reacted. >> keeping it close. >> and by the way some of those people have learned nothing, the jokes about the paul pelosi attack continue. let's go to the big board, nbc

news national political correspondent steve kornacki is there. good morning again. when we left you yesterday, we had questions about georgia. we have an answer on that. we're going to be here for a little bit longer on that. out west now, the two states that everything hinges on, what are you seeing? >> georgia is going to be a runoff. you've got nevada, arizona, republicans needing to take one of those two to make that georgia runoff on december 6th, the thing that would determine senate control, if democrats go 2 two for two in nevada and arizona, and the georgia runoff is determining what the majority size will be. let's take you through both states. we got some votes last night and overnight in both. first in arizona, and you see mark kelly has lead over blake masters in the senate race statewide is 95,000. that's up a little bit more than 10,000 from where it was at the start of the evening last night. the major development in arizona was pima county, where tucson is, they released a batch of

early votes, heavily democratic. that boosted kelly's lead, and we got 60,000 plus votes out of maricopa county, biggest in the state, and kelly was winning by 12 points over masters. what is left to come in arizona, two types of votes basically here. you got about 60,000 left of the same type that was counted last night. those were votes dropped off or arrived over the weekend, friday, saturday, sunday, or monday. okay. you got about 60,000 left to fit that category. democrats are hoping that category like we saw last night will continue to help kelly pad this lead and move it up over 100,000 statewide. what will come after that is i think what could decide all of this, 275,000 votes that were dropped off by people in person on election day.

and there's a whole debate, are these going to be democratic friendly, are these going to be republican friendly? how much so because this was the type of vote, the vote dropped off in person on election day in 2020, that allowed donald trump late in election week to nearly erase all of the advantage that joe biden had built up in arizona. he brought like 100,000 vote biden lead down to 9,700 votes with this batch of votes, so democrats are hoping that, you know, with what's left from the weekend, kelly can build the kind of pad where he could withstand a big republican vote here. we're not sure it's going to be a big republican vote, by the way, because in 2018, in the senate race, it's actually the same type of vote that allowed kyrsten sinema, the democrat to win the senate race. we have seen this type of vote behave differently in the past two elections, so it's a mystery. we think tonight, we're hoping in maricopa county is suggesting we're going to get a lot of this, and we're going to get our first readout of this 275,000

votes. so the question of how republican, how democratic that vote s we may really start to get an answer tonight, sometime around 8:00, 9:00, and i think that's going to go a long way to determining the senate race here. kelly does have a pad, can add to the pad potentially, and could potentially withstand a big republican number here. the candidate who may not be in that situation in arizona, it's the difference between the senate race and the governor's race, 95,000 vote advantage for mark kelly. in the governor's race, katie hobbs, a democrat is running about 80,000 votes behind kelly. she's only 13,000 votes ahead of kari lake. she's in a situation where if that late vote there, that 275,000 i was talking about is republican, not even overwhelmingly republican, there are more than enough votes there for kari lake to overtake katie hobbs. there's a potential for a split result in arizona and hobbs really needs that 275,000, not

just to not just be republican but to be democratic. that's going to be key in arizona. in nevada, you see the governor's race where joe is leading. in the senate race, the republicans leading again. we got updates from the two counties in nevada, shaving about 7,000 votes off adam laxalt's statewide lead. 22,000 and change coming into last night. now, this morning it sits just under 16,000 votes. laxalt over cortez masto. we got 15,000 mail votes that were released in clark county, las vegas, biggest in the state, cortez masto was winning them better than two to one, and we got a batch in reno of close to 20,000 votes, and again, they favored cortez masto. they allowed her to cut that lead by a few thousand more. so what is left to come in

nevada, there are about 40,000 mail votes left now in washoe county where reno is and there are about 70,000 mail ballots left in clark county. the vast majority of those mail ballots that are left in clark county are a very particular type. they are votes that were dropped off in ballot boxes on election day. and so just like i was saying in arizona, it's a bit of a question, what type of vote is that, the voter who takes the mail in ballot, brings it in person to a drop box on election day, is that more democratic, is that more republican, you hear arguments from both parties about why it's going to favor them. we don't know, but the vast majority is from that pool. if cortez masto continues to win the outstanding vote in clark at the rate we see her winning it at last night, there are more than enough votes for her to overtake laxalt if the same day

drop off looks different than what we saw last night, there's an opportunity for laxalt to hold off cortez masto. >> tell us again what kind of votes helped her shave 7,000 votes. >> they were mail-in ballots received prior to election day, and dropoff boxes prior to election day. >> prior to election day broke for democrats but the ones that were going to be counting moving forward, same day, right, all of them same day? >> there's a difference because it's like what they counted in clark the other day, the number of ball lots dropped off at these dropoff locations like on the monday even before the election is something like 12, 13,000. then you get to election day itself, and the number dropped off is 56,000. and so there's just -- is there a difference between the type of

person, the type of voter politically who's doing it even a day earlier as opposed to doing it the day of the election and i raise the question because the trend we have seen in the last two elections is people who wait until election day to vote certainly in person and maybe by drop box tend to be much more republican than the folks who vote early, even just the weekend before the election, and that's what we've seen. we saw that certainly in arizona. the first results had mark kelly 20 points ahead in the senate race. what were those? those were the early votes and when we woke up the morning after the election, it was a single digit race. why was it a single digit race? because they counted the same day vote overnight, and the same day vote was heavily republican. you enter into the hybrid situation, it's same day but dropped off mail ballots in person, what is that? is that a republican. does it fit the same day pattern. it's still a mail ballot.

does it fit the democratic pattern, that's the question in arizona and in a way that's the question in nevada as well. >> a lot of that is guess work. we're going to have to wait. we heard from election officials yesterday in nevada trying to be transparent, saying we're going to have a briefing every day to update you where we are, to avoid conspiracy theories festering, but they said it may be a while, potentially, eight, nine days until we know a winner in nevada. >> for the official full process to play out in nevada, which includes ballot curing. you're talking into the middle of next week. i think the key is once they start releasing from that big batch i'm talking about in clark county of 56,000 votes that were dropped off in ballot boxes on election day. and once in arizona they start releasing from that 275,000 in maricopa that was dropped off on election day, we'll get an answer when we start seeing the results. we don't have to see the full

results from the 275,000 to answer the question is this an overwhelmingly republican batch. that's what blake masters depends on, an overwhelmingly batch of votes. if we start getting those and we're seeing 50/50, the numbers aren't going to be there for masters. if it's 2-1 republican, democrats are going to be sweating it out, and saying does kelly have a big enough lead. 2-1 republican, kari lake is going to be feeling good in the governor's race about overtaking katie hobbs because the margin is thinner. i think there's a potential tonight in maricopa to get not all but our first look at what a chunk of that 275,000, and i think the answer to the question i'm posing this morning. >> arizona in 2020, it was never as easy as 2-1, it was always trump 60, biden 40, and the next batch would be trump 58, biden 40, and you would go through it,

and it was just maddening. >> wasn't the same day vote, steve, slightly more democratic this year than it usually is? or did i get that wrong, the election day vote. >> in some places. in arizona, though, you can see the effect that it had because, again, the early vote was a smaller share, and so it was -- the kelly lead coming out of maricopa county from the initial batch on election night was larger than it had typically been, than it had been in 2020. so the republicans shaved a lot off of that, you know, with the same day vote. so we're still seeing, i think, a very similar split in arizona and nevada to what we saw in 2020 with that x factor of how you determine, how you, you know, interpret that same day dropoff. >> and finally, katy perry fans want to know who won the mayor's race in l.a., still too close to

call? >> talk about something that's going to take time to count. there's a lot of votes left to count there. i don't think we have it in the board immediately available. >> it's real close. >> that might have set the record for the longest primary to count this year. >> talk about katy perry because she posted a picture of herself voting for the republican in that race, saying because l.a. is a hot mess and something needs to change. also with us this morning, former white house communications director under president obama, jennifer palmeri, cohost of "the circus." u.s. special correspondent for bbc news, katty kay, and new york editor for the "new york times," ed luce. >> we were looking at this headline that you texted to me this morning at 5:00 a.m. this is -- we're talking about

the possible end of the beginning of the end of donald trump, but you were in dayton on monday night. you saw his speech. i had been saying this year that he reminded me of fat elvis in '77. like singing the old hits but just not really feeling it. sweating a whole lot more than he did even a few years before. tell me, how was trump in dayton? does he match up with what we're hearing from republicans, sort of the decline and fall of this failed reality tv host? >> yeah, it's like -- i nicely refer to it as late stage elvis, is what it felt like. there was a huge crowd, like a huge crowd, not to diminish that. there was 7,000 to 10,000 people there. they make you wait forever. people needed to be in by 3:00,

he arrived at 8:30. but there's an atmosphere. it's like tailgating. it's a fun thing. people like that and they wanted to hear him do the greatest hits. they were there to hear the big hits. when he got on stage, it was two solid hours of grievance. it was just all the things that he was treated badly about, people who had dissed him. letitia james and the fbi raiding mar-a-lago. before they got on stage, they showed a well produced video about evil letitia james and fbi raid. crowd did not react at all when he started speaking. the crowd sat down. the crowd started to leave. it was nothing about them. right? and they used to feel like a kinship, a real kinship at the rallies between trump and the people that they believed he was fighting for them. and it was just like air out of the balloon. he also showed a power point of

how he was doing so much better in a 2024 match up than the other republicans who may run. he had a power point presentation for us on that point. >> never go to the power point. >> a two-hour rally. people had been there for five hours. so the support is still kind of there, but, like, it was, you know, people tried to get a build the wall chant going. they couldn't get anything going. it was a little sad. >> willie, pro tip, you know, when they were putting together elvis's '68 comeback special in vegas, elvis had wanted to do a power point comparison, beatles versus the king of rock, and fortunately the producers, a couple very young hip guys said, listen, let's just not. >> he had the clicker in his hand, remember hound dog, jailhouse rock, remember the

good' ol days. we show the cover of the "new york post," page after page, toxic trump, it's a red wave, good-bye, don. this is from the "new york post." we have been talking since yesterday morning about republicans now just saying out loud it's time to move on. they may wish for that to happen. but it's not so easy, is it? he still has a firm grip on so many people in the party. >> you've even got fox news tweeting out that desantis is the next leader of the republican party. rupert murdoch is making his position clear. you have republicans doing the same. i was texting overnight with someone close to trump. is anyone telling him he has to delay until the georgia runoff, and he texted back saying everyone is telling him to delay. he also added, he never listens to us anyway, so he could do what he wants to do. i mean, trump has now got himself into this position where he's all but told us the date,

the time, the minute of his announcement and the question is does his pride let him find some way to row back from that. and then eventually, does his pride find some way to let him row back from an announcement at all, particularly if the republicans don't win in the senate. but, you know what jen was just pointing out made me think he can't stop doing this because this is his therapy. he goes out and does these rallies. the rallies are no longer about the people he's talking to. they're about himself. i don't know how he gives that up. how does he give up his grievances. the chance of him not running are slim. despite what the "new york post" is saying. >> despite what the "new york post" is saying. ed luce, you wrote about how biden is trump's worst political nightmare. explain. >> well, i mean, he keeps surprising us. somebody pointed out, nobody

hates biden, they might be disappointed in inflation. they might think he's suffering from, you know, being older than many other presidents, but nobody hates biden. huge chunks of america, i would say the majority not just hate trump but see him as mitch mcconnell once described him, as a despicable human being. and i think a large section o. of the republican party, senior and elected and fairly spineless feel the same way as mitch mcconnell, and they are now finding their spines growing back. i disagree that we're at the end of the beginning. i think we're in the middle of the end here and then from now on, we're going to see an increasingly, i hate to say it, entertaining degeneration of trump as he tries to -- >> i don't think you hate to say that. >> i don't think all the kings

horses and all the king's men can't put trumpty back together again. he's got murdoch against him. ron desantis is basically living rent free inside his head. if he postpones next week, it will look like weakness. if he goes ahead, it's going to be a farce. and of course, you know, the 60-day role that merrick garland has been living under, that's no longer pertaining. there are indictments coming down the pipeline. so i think we're going to see, as i say, we're going to see quite an enjoyable degeneration of trump in the coming weeks and months. >> it does actually sound like -- >> kind of textbook definition of shodden freud.

>> i will reveal my ideology, the road to surfdom, one of the introductions is milton friedman, talking about capitalism versus communism, and you don't have a clearer lab experiment than germany, east germany versus west germany. north korea versus south korea, right? well, here -- and i think it pertains here, you have an almost perfect lab experiment between ron desantis's florida and donald trump's pennsylvania, donald trump's arizona, donald trump's republican party that just absolutely clips. you could not have for republicans watching a greater disparity between absolute total and i will say this, limited to the state of florida, reagan-like dominance in the

state of florida. >> i think you have to give him that in florida. >> you certainly do. >> and completely absolute collapse and under performance in donald trump's republican party and the other 49 states. >> i think that's absolutely right. i think, you know, the big, big winner on tuesday aside from democracy potentially, is ron desantis. i mean, he comes out of that -- he is the king right now in florida. >> there's a reason donald trump on his social media site was posting, yes, ron desantis won florida, but i got more votes than he did in florida when i ran for president. clearly. i will say the declarations of donald trump's demise in the last 24 hours make people nervous. this is not a man who goes away easily. we'll talk more about this coming up on "morning joe." plus, governor-elect now, we can call him. wes moore will be our guest

after the big win in the maryland governor's race. and sean patrick maloney joins us after conceding defeat in his hard fought house race. and also ahead, republican congressman adam kinzinger says it's clear the party should stop talking about trump after this week's losses. and new york city mayor, eric adams will join us to weigh in on how the issue of crime played a factor in the midterm elections and much more. first, let's go to meteorologist michelle grossman to talk about the tropical storm hitting florida. how does it look? >> it's november 10th and we're still talking about the tropics. a tropical storm did make landfall around 3:00 this morning, just south of vero beach, florida, a category 1 storm, 75 miles per hour winds. it has weakened since moving inland. the good news is it's moving fast, northwest at 14 miles per hour. it's going to move across the peninsula of florida, bringing

really heavy rains. we have 100,000 people without power with gusty winds as well. you can see on radar where the heavy rain is falling, the brighter colors, reds, oranges, yellows, those are torrential tropical downpours. wind gusts, 59 miles per hour in orlando. 64 in sanford. it's going to continue to cross the peninsula. it will make a second landfall along the panhandle of florida. heavy rain to the northern parts of florida, georgia, south carolina, it makes a right-hand turn and look at all the rain tomorrow, a nasty day in the mid atlantic, the ohio valley, the appalachians as we're going to see heavy rainfalling and gusty winds. we'll be right back. d gusty winds. we'll be right back. before we begin, i'd like to thank our sponsor, liberty mutual. they customize your car insurance, so you only pay for what you need. and by switching, you could even save $652.

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the plan accused of violently attacking house speaker nancy pelosi's husband paul pelosi has been indicted by a federal grand jury on assault and kidnapping charges. if convicted, 42-year-old david depape could face up to 30 years in prison for assault and 20 years for attempted kidnapping. depape faces a series of state charges. he has pleaded not guilty to all of them. meanwhile, virginia governor glenn youngkin apologized to speaker pelosi for comments he made hours after the attack on her husband. governor youngkin was at a campaign rally at the morning of the attack said there's no room for violence anywhere, but we're going to send her back to be with him in california. talking about paul pelosi. yesterday, youngkin said he sent a personal handwritten note apologizing to the house speaker. >> that's a good thing. it's what we want. >> a second apology. he said the day after that after

making that tasteless awful remark, i tried to say something about this, i didn't do a very good job. this is the second apology, handwritten note. >> speaking of tasteless and awful, other republicans continue to make jokes about that brutal assault, again, an attack with a hammer on an 82-year-old man that fractured his skull and sent him to the icu in the middle of the night. here's what arizona congressman andy bigs said on tuesday night. >> we can't wait to get back to washington, d.c. with some new arizona congressmen. and we're going to show nancy pelosi the door very shortly. don't let it hit you on the backside, nancy. yeah, she's losing the gavel, but finding the hammer.

too soon? is that too soon? i didn't know. i just didn't know. >> who raised him. i wonder what his mother or father would think of -- it doesn't matter how old my mom or dad were, if i'd said something like that. thanksgiving would be rough, and my mom would say i'm ashamed of you. >> doesn't he have kids? he grew up in the mormon church. i don't think there was anybody in that church who ever taught him to speak or think that way about another person. again, this infection of politics. with this congressman, he is in that marjorie taylor greene camp of people who say the most outrageous things they can say to get attention and has voted against all kinds of things. we could go down the list. where does this -- you sit there

on the stage, maybe that joke is brewing in your mind, the decision to make it comes from where? i think he thinks there's some reward, there's cheering in the room, the same calculation that kari lake made when she made the joke, it's going to work in this room. it will fire some people up. just disgusting on a human level. >> i've been in that situation, and it never even comes into your mind. >> it shouldn't. >> the first thing you would say is, i don't care who it is. if you bring up nancy pelosi, the first thing you say is, first of all, let's -- by the way, we're thinking about paul pelosi. and we're praying for him. he's a grandfather. he's a husband. we don't agree with nancy on everything, but she's a colleague. just like nancy pelosi did with steve scalise. just like we have always done. >> we are one family. >> and steve scalise did in this

case, right away. >> i had asked the question, i had not seen the tweet. i'm glad you read it, but steve did in this case as well. god bless him. we're in this, katty, together. we're in this together. republicans, democrats, independents, we are americans. we've got to figure out a way to work together. i don't know where that comes from, somebody saying something like that. >> you're up there, you're loving the crowd, i think that's what happened with kari lake. she made that comment and it was the smirk, gene said earlier, there's the smirk that gives permission to the audience to laugh and she gets the addlation of a joke she's made and it's that feeling of we are all owning the libs to go, and look

how outrageous we can be, and look how far we can go in owning the libs, and we don't care, they're going to criticize us, but we don't care. as kari lake said the next day, oh, i can't even say anything anymore, it's like a deliberate rollout. you do something offensive and hit back at people for criticizing you for being offensive in a way that's totally disingenuous, because she started referring to a whole load of other stuff. i was with glenn youngkin in virginia. he's an impressive campaigner for the republicans. he's somebody who has managed to keep a kind of open arm to everybody. he has not totally dissed trump. he did spend time with kari lake, if he's trying to be a centrist. i thought it was interesting that he made that time to send a handwritten note. two things happened in the week in the run up to the midterms. one was the paul pelosi attack and the reaction from some of those extremists to the paul

pelosi attack and the other was donald trump being out and much more visible and calling nancy pelosi an animal, and i think those, you know, you have to wonder whether those two things in the run up to the midterms, people went into the polls with those ringing in their heads and thought, as you said, joe, that's not how my mom raised me, that's not how my parents raised me. it's just not nice, and you wonder how many votes that swayed. >> it's hard to imagine how many votes it swayed and how many people it pulled. the democrats, seeing again, this savage, inhumane thing. i talked a lot about the church, about evangelicals, in most evangelical churches, they're still preaching the bible. they're still preaching the gospel of jesus christ, and so for people that are in the church and they're hearing the preacher every week.

it's the antithesis of a smirk, a mocking, about an 82-year-old grandmother. we don't have to go into the hour of power here, but you read the red letters in the gospel, and all it is is jesus talking about loving your enemies, praying for those who persecute you. if you only love those who love you, what good are you doing? even sinners do that. you know, and the partial of the good samaritan, you know, somebody who is an enemy is beaten up and attacked and on the side of the road, and a businessman rushes past him, and a priest rushes past him, and yet, someone who is an enemy of the samaritans, consider them immortal enemies, stops, picks up the man, takes care of his wounds, takes him to an inn, tells the innkeeper, i'm going

to pay for this guy. let this guy, nurse this guy back to health. i'll come back and pay you for it. that's how jesus tells us to treat our enemies. why do i bring that up? because ed, the very people who are acting the most horrifically out there, you match it up. they're wrapping themselves in the american flag and they're putting a christian nationalist cross in front of them when actually this sort of language and this sort of action and the declaration that jesus would have never been crucified if only he had an ar-15. this is the antithesis of everything jesus preached in his life. >> and i have to say, sort of picking up on nice surprises from tuesday night. lauren boebert potentially losing somebody who had her kids on her christmas card with

ar-15s. as her christmas message would be, i think, a nice rebuke from the universe. i was afraid you were going to ask me about sort of jesus theologically. in terms of the electoral impact of this, we spend our time day and night, all the time, following politics and public affairs. we're very unusual. we're like stamp collectors or something. most people don't pay that much attention and only really start to focus in the few days before polling day. this attack on pelosi, the extraordinary gracelessness, the sort of malevolence of some of the republican responses i mean, the bigg s1 was one of the worst. and not just republicans, elon musk, you know, did the equivalent of a smirk on twitter. which rightly caused massive

blow back to his claim that he's going to create a fair digital public square. i feel extremely buoyed by most people's reaction. we have taken the pulse of most americans are. they're not like this. and this doesn't pay, and so, you know, i think i'm not going to get into jesus and the good samaritan, you have made that point very well, joe, and i think whether you call this a religious feeling or a christian one than the christian nationalist one. there is a sense of decency that i think has been upheld over this really nasty episode with paul pelosi. >> jen palmieri, to katty's point, and something joe said earlier, i think a lot of voters did look at the attack on paul pelosi, the reaction to it. i'm not saying it was determinative in their vote, and just said yuck, i don't want our

politics to be like this. i don't want to live in this culture. let's be human, let's be decent and they decided to pull back on some candidates who were behaving this way. so now as you look ahead, as you look at the map, as you look at arizona, nevada, still twisting out there, and it may be another week or so before we know exactly what's going on, which will determine whether or not georgia gets all the attention over the next couple of weeks. how are things looking after this surprisingly upbeat night for democrats. >> i feel like that voters are starting to erect a new guardrail for democracy. it's not perfect. it's not complete yet, but when i think back to wednesday, november 9th, 2016, to wednesday, november 9th, 2022. and, you know, a lot of carnage in between, a lot of erosion of rights, a lot of pain, a lot of trouble but when you look at the results, you know, look at the results in a state like

michigan, for example, someplace i spent a lot of time in, the democratic governor there not only won, she won by 10% points, which is even more than she was projected to win. she got more votes this time than last time. more people voted in 2022 than voted in 2018. the fight there to protect abortion rights plus fight on the economy, plus protect democracy, the candidates there from the house, elissa slotkin to gretchen whitmer, to mallory morrow who's so good about this, they made a complete argument and voters rewarded that. but like, kari lake may become governor of arizona tonight, so it's not, you know, this is not a straight line. >> let's talk about michigan for a second. republican violence, and maga extremism. what did michigan voters see and hear for the last couple of

years? extremists talking about plotting to kidnap the governor. put her on trial, and possibly kill her. that extremism was there. most americans, they support the mississippi law, which is 15 weeks. that's where most americans are. but where gretchen whitmer's opponent was, was again, literally talking about a 14-year-old rape victim who was raped by an uncle being a perfect example of why that girl and her family and her pastor and her doctor and her mental health counselor should have no say in what she does. the extremism there led and the "wall street journal" editorial page that willie's brought up talks about it. the extremism led -- i won't even call it the michigan

miracle. because it was just a response to the crazy weirdos, freaks and insurrectionists in michigan, and caused a political revolution. again, let's say this, in an off year election that historically should have been horrible for them, with inflation incredibly high, which should have been horrible for them, with fears over crime rising and yet in all of that, they won everything in michigan, one of the biggest states in america. >> both houses in the legislature for the first time in 40 years. i talked to whitmer's staff in the year earlier, they said, maybe in a few years, and it just, it's a majority of seats on the supreme court. it's, you know, governors, secretary of state, the attorney

general. all which happen to be women, by the way. it's the, you know, the women that won the house races. elissa slotkin, she pulled it out too. talk about the personification of everything that happened in america, covid, armed protests, the lockdown started there, the assassination plot. >> inside the legislature, they're bringing ar-15s inside the legislature. memo to republicans. you bring ar-15s inside of legislatures and you scream at law enforcement officers, doesn't go well, right? >> i mean, i was there. i was there later in september when more armed protesters showed up in 2020. and then dixon, who the republicans wanted. she was the candidate that they wanted, she thought she was good. that answer on abortion just like put her in the box from the beginning. and, you know, she tried to recover from it.

she actually ended up being a good campaigner. i spent time with her on sunday night. she was good. she was glenn youngkin kind of good, but to overcome what people knew about her on abortion, plus that atmosphere in michigan was just, you know, it was too much. but i also don't want to take away from how good the candidates were. they argued their case well, made a difference for voters. >> jen, thank you so much. ed luce, thank you so much. ed, of course, the sponsor of bubble bath, he's going to be soaking in it for the next week. >> but it brings him no joy. >> it brings him no joy. >> thank you, ed. can you put, tj, that graphic up again. look at that. look at that in michigan. look at that. and it's a pretty moderate, pretty conservative state.

>> it's a moderate state. abortion was on the ballot. >> and so when you're the candidate who goes out and says, well, having the baby after being raped can be healing for a teenage girl. when you're the candidate who made the point you made earlier about a 14-year-old, the best example of being raped by an uncle of why we have to stop abortion, you're going to lose if that's the number one issue for almost half of the voters. remember the analysis on our show and others for a couple of weeks, maybe abortion has recede ed. maybe dobbs happened too soon to be beneficially politically. there it is in michigan and pennsylvania. >> the three most important states in 2024 are going to be wisconsin, michigan, and pennsylvania. republicans had a great chance of rolling up some gains there. mccormick, if they put mccormick in the senate. if they had gotten somebody who wasn't a crazy freak running for governor that wasn't an

insurrectionist, you know, people, you know, republicans sometimes will tune in, and will say to me, oh, you're being so negative. no, i'm not, i'm trying to help you win. it's just not that hard. you bring ar-15s to state legislatures, thinking you look tough, and you shout at law enforcement officers that they're the enemies. you try to kidnap the governor and blame it on the fbi. you say that 14-year-old girls that get raped by their uncle is a perfect example of something? this all adds up. me telling you that's stupid, that's me trying to help you. all right. if you had listened to a lot of things we said through the years, you wouldn't find

yourself in this position this morning. i'm sorry. we don't usually talk that way. it's just the truth. extremism doesn't work. and, willie, in michigan, again a swing state in a year that should have broken wildly for republicans, and now democrats own michigan. democrats own pennsylvania. democrats own the governorship in wisconsin. and there's absolutely no reason they should have won any of those states. >> republican peter meyer who defied donald trump, donald trump primaried him with john gibbs. john gibbs, who's certifiably, way way out there. >> beyond herschel. >> yeah, beyond herschel. donald trump puts his hands on john gibbs, you're the next candidate, he gets wiped out.

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president will not return and his political movement which is still very strong will not once again take power in the united states? >> we just have to demonstrate that he will not take power. >> who do you think would be the tougher competitor, ron desantis or former president trump, and how is that factoring into your decision? >> it will be fun watching them take on each other. >> obviously a lot of attention on 2024 now that the votes have been cast in the midterms, 2/3 of americans in exit polls say they don't think you should run for reelection, what is your message to them, and how does that factor into your final decision about whether or not to run for reelection? >> it doesn't. >> what's your message to them, 2/3 of americans -- >> watch me. >> president biden at the white house yesterday. welcome back to "morning joe," it is thursday, november 10th. katty kay is still with us, and joining the conversation, the host of msnbc's politics nation, president of the national action network, reverend al sharpton.

>> he made me deacon. >> he did. >> head deacon. >> head deacon of what is the question. >> anybody that at 6:50 in the morning, can preach the good samaritan, deserves that. >> sound like you've got a gig sunday morning, you and the rev. and former united states senator, now an msnbc political analyst, claire mccaskill, former white house press secretary and msnbc host, jen psaki. good morning to you all. >> so jen, i spoke with someone close to president biden yesterday. >> how close? >> really close. not related and they don't work in the white house, but they speak to him all the time. they said even after his presidential victory, there was never a sense of joy because he felt the responsibility. there was this cloud hanging

over everything. said for the first time since he started running the president sounded joyful. >> yeah. >> he sounded happy. he sounded relieved. and he sounded like the american people are good people, and i have been saying that, and i finally feel justified for all of these people who have been telling me i need to, like, just crash and burn and do what trump does. he said, they're good people. you can trust them. >> yeah, look, i've talked to the white house and people close to president biden too. >> how close to him? >> very close. not related. he used to talk when i was in the white house how after the election of 2020, the nerves were frayed. all of our nerves were frayed. he didn't get to enjoy, there was no big inauguration, he had

to dive into dealing with not just the crises by the crap that trump left behind. really coming out of the other night, not that he was the most successful president in a midterm election, and there are a lot of factors for that for sure. but also, his agenda that he fought like hell for. he worked with democrats on to do something on climate change, to lower costs for the american public, build bridges across the country. to fight for abortion rights. that's an agenda people liked and they didn't like extremism. that feels good. i woke up feeling good and happy and relieved that some of the extremist natures out there were fought against and victoriously so. >> right. and we were talking before about michigan. about the swingiest of a swing state that went overwhelmingly democratic and it went blue because of the radicalism of the maga right over the past five, six years. claire, you didn't represent like park slope, i love park

slope, but you didn't represent park slope. you represented missouri. again, a state that used to be more of a swing state, and who knows if radicalism on the right, if republicans don't listen, it will be a swing state. you got elected by dealing with conservatives, moderates, democrats i'd love to hear your thoughts a couple of days later about just on americans kind of getting it. >> yeah, and remember -- >> again, by the way, i'm sorry, not because democrats didn't get blown out. but getting it because the most extreme elements were washed away. >> exactly. the scariest people were put -- rejected by the voters, and you know, the middle of america in every way, the middle geographically, and the middle in terms of the ideological

spectrum, that's where you make majorities. you don't make majorities on the ends. you make majorities by getting as close as you can to the sweet spot of common agreement, and that's what biden did. he passed things that were popular. back in 2010 when i was doing town halls all over missouri, trust me when i tell you, obama care was not popular. >> we remember the videos of you in these town halls, but the stuff he got done is very very popular. and i think that helped. i can't go any farther without giving a shout out to county clerks and board of election commissioners in many parts of the country, it's just the county clerks that are elected that run these elections. and it's board of election commissioners typically in larger communities. you know, what they've done, they trained, and they've been transparent, so when donald trump, remember on election day

he put out the clarion call to his people, protest, protest, protest, and when he did that before, joe, people showed up in detroit to protest. and there were scary looking people, mobs of them, when he shook his finger, get out there on the streets, protest, they went. and guess what happened on election day, no one showed up and people conceded and these election boards and county clerks have been very transparent, showing everyone how they do it. welcoming people into the process to see exactly how we vote. the most important thing that happened on tuesday, the most important thing is we have not had claims other than a few crazies that somehow this election does not represent the will of the people. >> democrats and republicans alike, they were talking about michigan before, willie, about the extremism there but i'm

reminded of those michigan republicans, when trump was trying to steal the vote in 2020, people whose names we don't even remember. not going to do that there. i remember the republicans in the state legislature afterwards going, no, just like maricopa county republicans, just like republicans in the senate going, nope, you guys are out of your mind, this was a free and fair election. just shut up. i mean, that happened all across america this time. there were republicans, democrats independents standing shoulder to shoulder, protecting democracy. making sure it ran smoothly, and it did. >> i'm so glad claire shouted them out. that job was more important than it's ever been, given everything we saw over the last couple of years. we saw it yesterday in nevada when the registrar came out and gave an exhaustive news conference saying we're going to do this every day, here's the process, here's how we're doing it, here's what's going to come in tomorrow.

it didn't make a lot of people happy because it's going to take a week maybe in nevada to find out who won, they're opening up the process to explain how it's going to sort of keep away the virus and the infection and the space that allows the conspiracy theories to fester. >> how great were they in maricopa county. kari lake goes out and lies through her teeth, like she does about elections and conspiracy theories. they put up on twitter. nope, everything you were saying. it's like luke skywalker, at the end of star wars going, nope, everything you just said is wrong. one, two, three. and they were responding in realtime. it sort of went away. >> and republicans and democrats, here's the process, there's nothing fishy going on here. we don't know for people waking up who's won races in nevada and arizona. we know that georgia is going to

a runoff which puts the focus and importance on the two states out west. whichever party wins both, georgia doesn't mean as much. how are democrats feeling broadly this morning two days later? >> i think clearly democrats are happy that the red wave did not happen. and there is a sense of maybe we are coming back to some sane borders in american politics. when you get so far out there, we're acting as if people that are being prosecuted for trying to overthrow the government with an insurrection physically threatening the vice presidents and members of congress in the capitol building, all the way to an 82-year-old man being hit over the head in his own home with a hammer because he's married to the speaker, when we begin to act like this is american politics, it's bad, but let me tell you, on the other side, for those of us that have

fought these civil rights cases through george floyd and ahmaud arbery, to be misinterpreted, we'll self-police, which is good if you live in a gated community, but not if you live in communities that need to deal with crime, all of us can take a sigh of relief, wait a minute, now we're back in borders where we can department and we can argue and we can debate in many aggressive ways, but it has to be within the lines of where we are civil. and that's why i think when you see people like wes moore win, and people that win that did not go to the extreme left or right, i think it helps center the country, and i think that's why president biden was so happy with the results because that's why he ran, and that's why he won. >> you mentioned him. let's talk to him. one of the election day's biggest stories coming out of maryland where democrat wes moore handily defeated

republican dan cox. moore took the stage on tuesday after his win, and talked about patriotism and what it means to him. >> these results are still rolling in, right, but it is clear y'all gave us a mandate. something else is very clear too. true patriotism is alive and well in maryland, and it is alive and well in the united states of america too. i grew up in a family of people who love this country even when the country didn't always love him back. and my entire life has taught me that patriotism does not mean waving a flag around. it doesn't mean telling our neighbors that we're better than them. real patriotism means bringing people together. it means lifting people up. it means improving each other's lives. patriotism means knowing that this country is great, but if we

work together, we are going to make it even greater because more people will benefit from that. >> and maryland's governor-elect, wes moore, joins us now. mr. governor-elect, calling you that for the first time, welcome to the show, congratulations to you. for people who don't know, you had no political experience, hadn't run for anything. you came out of a very crowded democratic field with people better known inside the party, people who had raised more money than you did. you won the nomination, and then two nights ago handily defeated the republican there. wes, how did you do it? >> we did it by going out and earning it, by going to every single part of the state. and one of the things that's exciting for us isn't just the win, it's how we won. we were winning in urban areas, in rural areas, in suburban areas because we believe in the state of maryland that we've got a common goal. i remember saying on the campaign trail when i was leading paratroopers in congress, do you know a question

i never once asked my soldiers, what's your political party because it didn't matter. we had one goal, one mission, and that's the way we led this entire time. this is going to be maryland's decade. maryland is going to lead. maryland is going to win. the only way we're going to do it is together. and i think that message resonated. >> it's claire mccaskill, first of all, congratulations. you have a dear friend, jason kander and many others who support u. i want to talk about crime. public safety was supposed to be the wedge issue used by republicans. how are you going to address what has become legitimately a real concern by a whole lot of folks? especially living around urban areas about the crime problem that you and local prosecutors are facing in maryland. >> thank you, senator. and it's true, and i had to come

off the trail earlier this year because a 69-year-old grandmother who's a member of my church, who's a custodian in the church was killed in the church bathroom, and i spoke at her vigil. this is not just real, it is personal, and when we talk about what it's going to take, and the collaborative nature of what it's going to take. i think about the fact that we receive support from everyone from progressive maryland to the police union, and people saying, how are you able to get that coalition together? the answer is because i told each and every one of them the same thing, i need you, and you are going to have my ear. right. when we talk about the things the state can uniquely do to address that, the state has to be aggressive in keeping violent offenders off the streets, and keeping illegal guns out of the neighborhood, and that means fixing a broken probation system, a third of violent offenders are violation of

probation. we are us and cease fire, the people closest to the challenge are the ones closest to the solutions, and much of the violence is retaliatory. the problem is most of these programs and interventions are either under funded or unfunded, so we have to move in partnership to be able to address the fact that you need to deal with crime and public safety as we see it now, but also we are never going to arrest or militarize our way out of something that's a bigger, larger and structural problem. >> congratulations, this is jen psaki. watching you has made me excited about the future of the democratic party. you campaigned across the state. talked to republicans, democrats, independents, what are the issues you think you can work with republicans on in your state to make progress moving forward at this time when we're pretty polarized as a country? >> yes, thank you, i think one thing people continue to talk about in the state is the issue of the economy. and people want to make sure

that as we're growing as an economy, that it's participatory. everyone has a chance to participate in that. the thing i'm excited to work on is how are we making sure we're getting people back to work. that means things like fixing a child care system in the state of maryland alone. we have had 750 child care centers close. if you don't have proper child care you're not going to get participants and particularly young parents into the work force. we have to focus on job reskilling and training. we went too far when we started evaluating high schools, based on things like four-year college acceptance rates. that's not the path for every student. i joined the military when i was 17 years old. i was the only candidate in this race who has a two-year college degree. so we have to make sure we're creating economic pathways for all of us. and i think the other big thing is, maryland will be the first state in this country to have a service year option for all high school graduates. and we're going to do it for three reasons. it helps to address the college

affordability crisis, i'm a big believer in exexperiment service. this time of vitriol, i have -- they came to door knock for me, and they were literally knocking on doors, and telling people let me tell you about the guy i served with. service will help to save us and i believe deeply maryland will help to lead the way. >> governor-elect, al sharpton, we haven't talked since you won, but we talked a lot while you were running and down through the years worked together. >> yes, sir. >> let me ask you, as one that has, in my opinion, i agree with jen that you probably are at the forefront of a new era of where the democratic party could go, where is that message? what is that message that the

democrats ought to take into now going into past the midterm elections into '24 and beyond. we're hearing some hysteria from the right that i think lost a lot of its volume and vibration in the midterm election, and on the left. how do we identify the message that resonates nationally, and using a case study of what you were able to do in maryland? >> when i first joined the military, i was 17 years old, and we learned a mantra when i first joined, and it was simple. it was leave no one behind. ever. right, you get one of my people, i will send a battalion to go get them if i have to, and i was clear on the campaign trail.

that is not just a mantra. that is my value statement, and it is not just a value statement come january. that is going to be the new mission of the state of maryland. we will be a state that leaves no one behind. i think what we have to do is we've got to make sure we are speaking to everybody and know when we're talking about our collective vision for economic growth, our collective vision for work and wages and wealth for all marylanders, i think we need to be very clear that we're speaking to everybody. we're speaking to the biotech entrepreneur, and we're speaking to the waterman, and we're speaking to the corrections officer and we're speaking to the farmer. we're speaking to everybody, and i think we cannot allow this idea who loves this country or what does it mean to be a patriot to be dominated by a group or an individual or a party whose definition of defending democracy is trying to tear it down. you know, my definition definit

patriotism, serving with paratroopers, and teachers and first responders, these are people who love this country and fight for it. we cannot allow or see that position to anybody. >> maryland's governor-elect, wes moore. give our best to the first lady as well. >> thank you, all. >> you see wes moore, you see josh shapiro, a long list, gretchen whitmer, going down, suddenly the future of the party feels pretty good to a lot of democrats. >> a lot of democrats have to be excited. you look at a guy like wes moore, a guy we have known from the beginning, came on the show a long time ago when we were asking about afghanistan, iraq, he served there. he's a guy who, again, reaching out to both sides, talking to progressive activists at the same time, going and talking to

cops, saying i'm with you. we're going to figure out how to do this together because we have to do this together. for public safety. i love what he said about four-year universities and focusing on, you know, getting people into the most elite schools. he served at 17, went to a two-year college, i mean, that's great. harry truman, he went to spaulding commercial college, right, and did more to shape the future of the post war world than anybody, and katty kay, you look at this guy, not an ideologue, not an elitist, he's inclusive, and man, that is a message that every politician should take note of. >> yeah, he's echoing john fetterman, isn't he, with every county, every vote, and making sure he goes out to the rural areas of maryland as well.

if you look at wes moore's background, he worked in investment banking on wall street. he also is a scholar at oxford. it's his military service and time at a nonprofit in new york, that he draws on or drew on in the course of his campaign. the humanity that came across in his book, the other wes moore, he finds someone in prison who has his name, and he brings that to the trail. it is exciting to look at someone like wes who we have all known for a long time. i was just writing down all of the things that he's done, and how he's now bringing those into his service. it's going to be interesting to watch someone like him. maryland is a pretty democratic state, a pretty liberal state. there are rural areas, but it reliably votes democratic on a state-wide level, and it will be interesting to watch how he would make a transition from

maryland to a state like wisconsin, to a state like arizona, if you could throw it back in the midst, how would wes moore make that transition on to a national stage level. i'm sure he has ambitions to do that, and it would be interesting to see whether he has a path. >> we look at the way democrats were feeling three nights ago, there was a sense of dread, you can say it publicly. how bad is this going to be in the house. >> bracing for impact. >> bracing for impact. and yesterday morning you and others came on the show with smiles on your faces. yes, the house very well may be gone, and marjorie taylor greene may bring impeachment articles and the rest of that, but you're expressing hope for the future because of what happened tuesday. >> i will say, even going into tuesday night, looking at people like wes moore, and other candidates running, some who lost, there are a lot of great candidates, a big bench for the democratic party. people, you know, candidates

people are genuinely excited about. that is so different from the other side, right, where the excitement is around extremism, and so it is exciting to watch. we done know what speaker pelosi is going to do. she is a fierce force of nature, and when she leaves, it will be a huge loss. she has left that door open. regardless. there's going to be generational change in the house leadership as well. these are people we're all going to get to know who they are, what they stand for, what their backgrounds are. it's going to bring exciting diverse faces into the conversation. i think that's something to be excited about. >> jen psaki, thank you very much, always great to see you. still ahead on "morning joe," we'll talk to one new york democrat who fought off a difficult challenge from his republican opponent. we'll be joined by sean patrick maloney, who was not as fortunate in his race. we'll talk about what happened in his district and the larger implications for the democratic party. the latest from the war if ukraine, russia suffering another major loss as moscow pulls troops from a key southern

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(limu squawks) he's a natural. only pay for what you need. ♪liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty.♪ the voters spoke clearly about their concerns about raising costs, the rising costs and the need to get inflation down. there's still a lot of people hurting. they're very concerned. and it's about crime and public safety. and they sent a clear and unmistakable message that they want to preserve our democracy and protect the right to choose in this country. >> let's bring in right now u.s. house senator of the nonpartisan cook political report dave wasserman. four kids, i have seen "the lion king" about 87 times, and there's that scene where mufasa shows up in the crowd, and

ritiki says what was that. that's what i'm doing about this election. what was that? you called it the craziest election you have ever seen in your lifetime. like, can you even sort through what happened a couple of nights yet? >> yeah, i think we can, joe, and by the way, joe, roll the tape. on monday, i told you, i didn't think the bottom was dropping out for democrats in the house, and it turned out a lot of people got carried away out dooming each other about what was going to happen. >> right. >> it's crazy. this was a very uneven midterm landscape. we had democrats doing terribly in florida and new york, but they were doing great in a lot of other places, sweeping the competitives in michigan and pennsylvania and new hampshire, and it kind of makes sense if you put yourself in the shoes of a voter in michigan who has been seeing armed militias trying to kidnap the government. if you're in new york state, and democrats control state and federal government, a lot of voters held democrats doubly

responsible for everything they're dissatisfied with in their lives, so really a weird cycle. >> we were saying the same thing. it just didn't feel like a wave election, and yet, how strange if the democrats lose the house as "the new york times" reports this morning it may be because of two of the bluest states in america, because of new york and because of california. and in new york, of course, the governor survived, but her campaign, i'm sorry, got to say it, her campaign did not do members of congress, democratic members of congress any favors. we've got one here who barely got out alive. >> that's right. and look, in new york, we had pretty much a wipe out expect for pat ryan in the hudson valley, and pretty much every race east of the mississippi is pretty clear at this point, we've still got 30 races that still need to be sorted out, and i'm looking at, you know, a

rough count right now of 210 republicans. 195 democrats that are basically callable. we've got 13 outstanding of the 30 that i think are leaning to democrats at this point. eight that are leaning to republicans and then the nine who are in that who knows category right now. arizona, 1, 47, 49, so five of those in california. colorado, three. who would have thought that lauren boebert would be in a barn burner and a lot of democrats are prematurely doing a victory dance there, but this is still tight as a tick, and washington three, and washington eight. so look, i think republicans land around 220 to 225, somewhere in the range. the question all along has been would kevin mccarthy have a true governing majority or would he just have a marjorie, meaning the majority is so thin, he can't circumvent the far right

fringe of the party to get basic things done. >> the race everyone was calling a bellwether, abby spanberger in virginia, seven, a state you know well. a remarkable performance, we spoke with her yesterday and said, man, i had no idea when 77% was in, and you were so far down that you were going to come back. they ran a massive campaign. she goes, you know what, we hit every number we had to hit in every county, so when everybody else was thinking we were going to lose, we were like, we're in good shape. we're going to pull this out. incredible. >> you know what's so impressive about that, joe, 3/4 of the district was new. redistricting was big. she went out and worked those places. a big reason why the of the dccc was in trouble. he was focused on helping

democrats around the country, not just himself. republican mike waller was the one who had a lot more time to spend on that race. katie porter in california, also a majority new district. we'll have to see how things shake out there. that race is not over. >> before we let you go, we've come to appreciate your catch phrase, i've seen enough, when you've called a race. as we talk about the state of arizona, kornacki was breaking down when we might get vote on the governor and senator's race there. what's your time line on that? how closely are you watching, and when do you think we might know something there. >> i would rather be mark kelly than blake masters, and kari lake than katie hobbs at this point, but the mail drop out of maricopa last night was pretty good for democrats. we've still got hundreds of thousands of ballots left to count there, and, you know, i'd rather be mark kelly than catherine cortez masto. we'll see what happens in nevada, democrats will probably prevail in the house races but

the senate race there, still very tight. >> we will see. dave wasserman, thank you so much. pat ryan of new york represents the state's newly redrawn 18th congressional district in the hudson valley, and he is the projected winner in his race over republican colin smith. >> the lone survivor. >> here he is. congressman, you had to run in august, no exhaling for you after winning the special in august. you had to turn right around and start your campaign to win again now. a close race. how did you do it? what were the issues at the end of the day that were most important to the voters in your district? >> to have two tight victories in six months feels really good, and i think it speaks to the fact in both of our races we have the same message, we have to fight to protect fundamental american rights and freedoms, starting with abortion rightings -- rights and we have to deliver economic relief.

we have to show that we're going to authentically fight on both of those. what you stand for is important, but really showing that grit, working it hard every door, every angle, everything you can in these tight districts. i think that's how we were able to squeak it out. >> there's no substitute on the campaign trail. claire knows this so well, for hard work. no substitute. and people would look at you and go, oh, my god, poor guy, he had a special in august, and had to run again. you were there with the people nonstop. you had no other choice. how much did that actually help you that people had seen you at their doors, planting yard signs, going to community centers, pretty much nonstop for the past six months. >> yeah, well, i learned day one at west point, no excuse for hard work, and just working and putting in that effort: our victory in the special election allowed me in a new district, about 50% new district at two

months to get to know several hundred thousand folks, being able to show our message clearly, strongly, coming out of the special win in august mattered a lot. >> congressman, first of all, congratulations. >> thank you. >> as a veteran of many many very close elections, i feel how exhausted you are, and also how happy you are that it all paid off. i'm on a theme this morning, as a former prosecutor, they have in many instances used crime unfairly but effectively to try to make it a wedge between democrats and republicans. some democrats unfortunately have played into that tactic. others have fought back. leaned into crime. tell me about crime in your race, and how you dealt with that issue? >> and this was huge in new york as we've heard. we leaned in and talked about what i've actually done. from wearing the uniform in

combat for 27 months to increasing funding to our police, and actually bringing down violent crime levels in our area. so i think you can't leave a vacuum in a space for what the far right is doing, which then is lying. i mean, the national republicans spent almost $5 million blatantly lying about my record, and at a certain point, if you seed that ground, certainly people if you're not giving them the truth have no other choice. i think we have to lean in, and again, just talk about record rather than -- and talk about it authentically. >> and you funded the cops and told people you funded the cops, and they listened. >> the bipartisan invest to protect act, which we had to fight to get support from some of my democratic colleagues in congress was so important in my district, that's $500 million in funding to small and medium police departments under 125 officers, across the country. that's a game changing thing to help especially these smaller

agencies that are struggling to do an increasingly diverse set of missions. so that was impactful. >> democrat pat ryan of new york, congratulations. >> thank you. >> congressman said he can now finally actually maybe rent an apartment in washington and do some planning now. >> the sad thing, guess what he has to do next week. fundraising for the next election. >> i'm bringing my wife on vacation. political strategist, frank luntz. the legend holding up, florida, florida, florida, for a while, we thought wisconsin, wisconsin, wisconsin, man, we have been talking this morning about michigan, michigan, michigan. here you have a swing state, one that donald trump won, in '16

almost won again. a lot of democrats thought were going to get away from him six months ago, and the extremism, you know, people taking ar-15s to the state legislature. attempting to kidnap the governor, a candidate talking about a 14-year-old girl being raped by an uncle and being a perfect example of why there could be no exceptions. i mean, all of that extremism led to a massive blue wave in michigan. and this morning, you've got the "new york post," the "wall street journal" opinion page, one after another talking about turning their back on trumpism, and turning their back on extremism. so what's your take on the other night and do you think this is a corrective election? >> my take is that voters want common sense and they want responsible government, and that's not ideological.

that's not political. that's simply getting the job done. they're looking for results. they're looking for solutions . they're not looking for the kind of politics we've had over the last six years, and you see michigan, pennsylvania, wisconsin, those are all the three key states for 2024, but i still want to look backward. the people i talked to over the last 24 hours have essentially said enough donald trump. enough of this chaos. enough of the yelling and screaming. they look at the u.s. senate and they're mad at the former president. they think he supported the wrong candidates. his endorsement still matters within the gop, but they're frustrated because they think he is supporting candidates that are simply unelectable, and we have seen this across the country. i don't think that arizona ens come for the republicans. i think the democrats have enough of a lead. another trump endorsed candidate has failed.

if ron desantis is the big winner among republicans because of how he governed in florida, then donald trump at least to people who i talked to, they're all telling me enough is enough. mr. president, it's time to go away. >> frank, it's katty kay here. i don't know what your polling was telling you and your focus groups were telling you right before the election, whether abortion was apparent to you as a driving force to the extent that we saw it in certain states, but we saw, you know, in a state like michigan, obviously there's a big student population in ann arbor, students were standing in line for two hours, and they were voting uniquely on that abortion issue. throw that forward to us two years, how much of a factor could that be in its absence in a sense in the election of 2024 for democrats? what kind of things do they need to do, the lessons from this election to kind of extrapolate to 2024, and how they can motivate those people to get out again and cue for them again if

abortion is not on the ballot as it won't be in michigan in 2024, for example. >> it's a fantastic question. it's frightening. i haven't recovered. i still have trouble talking from the 2022 election and we're looking ahead to 2024. we had an early warning of kansas, a republican state, a conservative state, and yet their efforts to restrict abortion back fired and it was very harmful for republican candidates, and in fact the democratic candidate for governor was reelected there. there's a lesson for republicans, and the vote i'm most fascinated with are independents. they broke for democrats by 1% tuesday night. and that 1% enabled them to basically get to a 50/50 senate and a 50/50 house. if independents don't break for republicans by at least 55/45, the democrat wins, and abortion is an issue that non-ideological

voters care about. it's a social issue, it's not an economic issue. if you're talking about inflation and the economy, republicans do well. if you're talking about social issues and abortion, democrats do well. >> frank, al sharpton. one of the things i took away from some of the break down from the vote yesterday is young people came out in many areas higher than expected. and black and brown voters and a lot of it i think in particular with young people was the abortion issue. affirmative action is in front of the supreme court, other social concerns may have backfired and brought out a larger than expected turnout during the midterm elections. >> reverend, this is worthy of its own segment. there is a split between the black and brown communities that is significant. hispanic and latino voters moved towards the republican party in bigger numbers than they have at

any point. democrats only got 55% of the brown, of the hispanic latino population, and i think that this is going to be critical if the republicans can keep that vote, they're in a strong position for 2024. the democrats continue to lose that hispanic latino vote. it puts them in a perilous position. make no mistake, it's not that they love the republican party. they are rejecting what they have seen with the democrats. they feel ignored, forgotten and they feel left behind. black lives matter has been successful in galvanizing the african-american vote but the latino community does not feel part of that, and that's one of the reasons republicans did quite well in florida and quite well in texas. >> frank luntz, thank you so much. greatly appreciate it. frank saying something on the air that i hear every democratic strategist tell me and something that rev and i talk about all the time.

but, you know, willie, it is fascinating that, yes, the hispanic vote broke more republican. and you would think, okay, well, wait, republicans got 45% of the hispanic vote, they're going to have a big night. again, we talked about this before, there was a migration, hispanic voters going republican out of default. as david shore said a couple o years ago, democratic party got too progressive for a lot of hispanics. i think we're going to see a corrective here. we have a lot of suburban women, a lot, in '16, '18, '20. moving toward the democratic party that voted republican their entire life. think of what donald trump was saying pre-dobbs. we're going to lose the suburbs.

he was against that. it made a massive difference. >> he was right about that, and the narrative, claire, that abortion had society as an issue over the summer, it was white hot, and maybe it went away and it was about crime and the economy. just wasn't born out when you look at the exit polls. >> that was mostly man explaining that was going on that it wasn't a big issue. women weren't saying that. and secondly, i don't think we should forget for the suburban women, the shootings in schools, the mass shootings across the country have impacted suburban mothers i think in a really personal way, and they are tired of this country not doing more on gun safety and they know the democratic party is the one that will push that issue. >> and on that issue, it is so fascinating, willie, that we have friends that are younger

who are putting young kids in school for the first time. and they're actually, when i sent my kids to school, are they going to be okay. we were worried about the things that parents have always worried about. these young parents, i see it when i coach baseball, and i talked to them, they're scared to death about spending their young kids into school. something that i didn't even think about. none of us ever thought about. if republicans can mock it, it's there. it's real. and it makes a huge difference with suburban women. >> picked up my daughter two days ago, how was your day. did well on the chemistry test, we had our lock down drill today, we got in a closet and locked the door and stood there in the dark. to your point, this is routine to them. you're absolutely right, claire, and i think the reaction from a lot of republicans to uvalde, their response was put more armed people in schools. >> more guns. >> what are we doing here.

>> republicans, more guns, suburban women, are you crazy. >> i don't want to worry about my child being shot in school. >> i think the insensitivity of it that also makes people upset is that they're saying we don't care, give us more guns. and people are saying, don't you hear me. we don't need that. >> we're going to continue this conversation when we come right back with new york city mayor, eric adams. y mayor, eric adams power e*trade's award-winning trading app

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with us now the mayor of new york city, eric adams. how are you doing? >> quite well. quite well. good to see you all this morning. have you called the governor and congratulated her? we spoke last night. we communicated. happy for her. >> will she help you on crime?

>> she's been a real partner around these issues around public safety, and i'm just happy about her returning to albany and pushing the agenda forward. >> is she going to help you and help crime in new york city? >> yes. without a doubt. we talk a lot about this on the air and it's so interesting that we talk about crime in philadelphia where the focus group, i had four black voters saying i'm afraid to go to work and go home. if you look at murders, people are getting slaughtered and you're sitting there going, what world do you live in? so what i'd love for you to tell me, i understand data going down except for murders, explain to me why people who are cheering for the democratic party, want democrats to win are frightened by maga republicanism, they're

walking around the city and they don't feel as safe as they did five years ago, six years ago? why is there a disconnect between what everybody i talk to is saying and people who love new york and some politicians who are saying, no, no, no. it's just your imagination. everything's okay. >> we have to not talk at people, but talk with people, and i'm on the subway system every day, just about. i walk down, and i want to see the subway system and i'm engaging with people one-on-one. our conversation cannot be i'm going to dictate to you how you fell. i'm going to ask you how you feel, and i need to govern to that. i believe that's where the problem is. we have a double-digit decrease in homicide and something they wanted to focus on. >> since when? >> from january. okay. what does that mean to a mother who lost a loved one to gun

violence and someone carried a gun inside the classroom, and the goal is to speak directly to voters and find out what are you feeling and i must deal with the actual and how you feel. i'm trying to figure this out. a lot of leaders say it doesn't match up with data. i'm wondering, is it post-covid. i'm wondering are there people on the streets that used to be taken care of, pre-covid and there used to be more of a safety net there? is that what could be making people feel less comfortable? it's not that oh, this person that -- no, they're walking down the street and someone comes and screams at them and pushes them down. >> we never took care of homeless and this is a generational problem and when i went into the subway system that

we will not allow people to live in an undignified way, and we were able to get the people out of the subway system into some type of housing. very quickly, can you explain to anybody how allowing people to have mental challenges to be homeless on the street as winter approaches is not humanitarian? it's not safe for them. it's not safe for new yorkers. not safe for anybody and some progressives think that's being inhumane to actually take people off the streets when they sleep on grates in the winter. >> it's inhumane. january of this year, the first month i went out and went into those camps and human waste, drug paraphernalia, some people dealing with bipolar. i made it clear to the team when i finished those weeks of visiting those camps that we will not continue with this

policy walking past people that are living on our streets and that is inhumane and the loudest is not going to get in the way of what the right thing to do in making sure people get the care they deserve. how about proper treatment? you see the charter schools that are with the richest on wall street, and they're helping in the bronx and the five boroughs. i'm just curious, how do we get people engaged to help the truly disadvantaged that are on the streets, that need to get off of the streets and need to get treatment. >> let me tell you how. we ask them. our corporate leaders in the city were waiting just to be inviteded in. kathy wild and the partnership they raised millions of dollars to specifically deal with how to help people who are homeless. they have been a real partner. we have 2% of our income, 51% of

our income taxes paid by 2% of new yorkers and instead of trying to run them out of the city, they should be part of our financial ecosystem and they have stepped up mainly because we went into our corporate suites and offices and engaged in the conversation and said this is our city and they said, eric, they have been waiting to get out and talk to them. if you ran them out of the city, they have the kinds of things you want to the do and one of the things that i wanted to raise with you. clearly, there is a feeling and joe and mika and i talk about it all of the time is the feeling of being unsafe. >> yes. >> for some to come back with the data, when you have people that are feeling unsafe, that have real-life experiences, fear about their children that have had real-life experiences, the data doesn't matter and you've come out saying that, strongly.

you ran on that when it wasn't popular in some aspects of a certain community and you won. is it not detrimental to you, and i know you've helped get some people in that were not willing to go when you went, but isn't it detrimental to you for a lot of officials and nationally democrats this won't do what you did, and wait a not, we've got to deal with the reality that whether the data says it or not, perceived unsafety is real to these people. >> without a doubt. i use the acronym i.c.e., inflation, crime economy. that's it. and no matter how people feel, if you don't respond to that feeling then you are abandoning exactly what's needed and democrats have a good product when it comes down to public

safety. they're afraid to talk about it. if you talk about police than good, strong gun laws and if you talk about going after those small number of people who are committing crime, they are afraid to articulate that, but everyday new yorkers particularly in the city, this catch, release, is losing the foundation in the country, and six out of ten new yorkers in the hispanic and asian community are with eight out of ten the last time. we're losing the base of black and brown who really believe in those basic things, public safety, housing had, education. we cannot talk our way out of this. we have to be real with people what's facing on the street. >> a big part of the reason you're sitting here right now as mayor of new york city. i'm not telling you what you

don't know. a lot of what we're seeing is cash bail and that has to be reformed. that's a new issue for you. not a gnaw issue, but you'll re-engage with governor hochul, and the police officers are very frustrated. they arrest somebody. they see them back down in the subway committing a crime the next day or two days later. how do the people who need to be in jail stay in jail? what i must appreciate our police officers. out of their frustration, they have continued to do their jobs. a 27-year high and felony arrests, over 6,000 guns removed off our streets and they're in the subway system with over 750,000 inspections and injections doing their on. now we must return to albany.

if we schafrm the small number of offenders that i advocate for. much of these reforms i fought for, but to not recalibrate is a big mistake because there are too many people, a small number, i should say that are repeat offenders and they've made up their minds and will be violent in our streets and the unpredictableness of their behavior. >> when you were in the state senate, those of us who are out of government with advocacy groups and what you did, but they'll become a deformed movement where they are actually putting the victims that they claim to speak for in a more dangerous place, and i think that what i was saying before, we have to step back up and take

these people on. >> yes. >> first of all, we're not afraid of them and second of all they have no real following, they are driving more people away than they're bringing in. >> that's right. >> we can't continue to believe tweets. >> amen. >> about the chaos that's happening on the streets. when you think about it, look at every bill and law we've passed. all of these bills and laws you're seeing are protecting those who commit crimes. who's going to pass legislation to protect those who are the victims of crimes? someone is a victim of a homicide or you're the primary breadwinner, why aren't we paying the rent or mortgage until that family is stabilized and focus the person who commit the crime, and think about how do we make life better for them and we have to focus the victims of crimes and not on those who commit the repeated crimes. >> will governor hochul move on

no-cash bail? >> believe she was already there, in my opinion. she understood the significance of tweaking the system. >> again, we don't have to do away with the reforms. the criminal justice system was in the wrong direction, but when you looked at those repeated offenders, particularly those who use guns, and i'm really excited about this legislative cycle and now elected as the first woman governor of the state. >> so one final question. we've got a good friend of the show that always drives around with cops in the cia and spent a lot of time in a lot of bad places around the world, says he's far more fearful for his life, driving around with cops in philadelphia, than he was in afghanistan and a lot of other places. philly cops are down 600 cops

now. they don't feel like the d.a. they don't feel like the mayor. they don't feel like anybody has their back. do new york city cops feel like you've got their back? do they feel like the politicians have got their back? that they can do the job and yes, yes, if they step out of line, if they abuse their power they need to be treated harshly. we all agree with that, woo have that and i said it, nobody else has to. bottom line, does the new york city cop feel like the politicians in new york have their backs? >> no, they don't, for the most part, but they know the mayor. he has their back. i'm not leading this fight of quality of life and public safety from the rear. i'm leading it from the front. i'm in the subway system. i'm engaging with my police officers and i'm going to the crime scenes and doing the analysis. i'm looking at the product that

we are producing and making sure they have what they need. this is a time for us to go back to working people and ensure that we're giving them the quality of life that they deserve and that is where i am. listen, i ran as a blue collar mayor. i believe in blue collar values and the working-class people of this city and state, and i will continue to stay close. >> what needs to be done so cops feel like no city officials have their back. >> making sure they have the tools and equipment that they deserve and don't immediately attack them based on what you view on instagram and social media because that's not the reality of what's playing out in the street. >> that's usually not context. >> i was going to say, everybody having a camera, that has changed the completion of law enforcement in this country because somebody can take the end of an altercation. >> i'm not saying there aren't bad cops out there, there are.

>> someone abused a cop for ten minutes and yells at a cop, pushes a cop, the cop responds the way she's been trained to respond or she's been trained and they only get that part. >> sometimes they respond wrong and they should be in trouble for that, and i'm not advocating that rogue cops are abusing people. people need to understand that the visuals they're being fed that are driving these feelings that they usually don't have context. and telling police officers, you understand that part and making sure that all the facts are in context make a big difference. >> and that's the uniqueness of my role as the mayor. did i that job. i know what it is to see the tail end of that response and not the complete response and that is how we are approaching this, and the number of men and women who put on that uniform and run towards gun fire and not away from it is something that we should be commended and we

should be pleased that we have them doing the job. >> we need them. >> that's the prerequisite to public safety, we need them both. >> eric adams, thanks so much for coming in. thank you. >> we have crossed into the top of the hour and this morning there still is no decision on which party will control the united states congress. nbc news projects democrats -- excuse me, republicans will win 222 seats, democrats 213. that's with a margin of error of seven so it could swing either way. republicans of 49 and georgia headed to a runoff after the libertarian candidate denied raphael warnock and his republican challenger, herschel walker and the 50% threshold needed to win. arizona still too early to call, and kelly leads masters 51.4%

with 46.4% with only 47% of the vote in. adam laxalt currently leads democratic incumbent katherine cortez mast onto 47.6% with 84% of the vote in despite tuesday's underwhelming results for candidates he endorsed. former president donald trump has no plans to push back what he called a major announcement. trump presented a different version of tuesday's event, claiming, quote, tremendous success. he tried to take credit for a series of wins by republicans who held seats before he even entered politics including marco rubio, ron johnson and chuck grassley. trump weighed in on the results on his truth social website. on one post he claimed the new hampshire nominee lost his race for not staying strong and true

about the big lie. in another he compared the number of votes he received in 2020 to the support this year for a possible opponent. >> these are all very weak. >> florida governor ron desantis who has really gotten under trump's skin. added from his personal standpoint it was a big victory and after all that's all that matters to him. according to the new york times, maggie haberman who knows trump very well. he is furious especially about mehmet oz. trump is blaming everyone advised him to back oz including get this, his wife, describing it as not her best decision. that's according to people close to the former president. he's blamed sean hannity. he's blaming his wife. >> i don't know if he's blaming -- >> all class. he's blaming everybody.

>> blaming melania. not a smart move. >> i wouldn't do that. >> some republicans are blaming trump for their lackluster election night including one of his allies. long time trump adviser david irpin, republicans have followed donald trump off the side of a cliff. trump should not announce his run for re-election next week as expected. he should wait after the georgia senate runoff in december. she also was clear who should and who should not campaign in georgia over the next few weeks. >> do you see the former president, a need for him to go to georgia? >> i think we've got to make strategic calculations. i think governor desantis should be welcome to the state given what happened. you have to look at the real is on the ground and we've got to win the senate. that's it, guys. got to win the senate. >> i don't know who is advising the former president to make an announcement to run for president again next week.

they should all be fired. nobody wants to think about politics right now right after the election. the only thing people will be focusing on as you know are there lawsuits in arizona and the runoff election in arizona. these are impactful things that will affect stuff over the next couple of months that everyone will be paying attention to. nobody will be surprised by this announcement and it will not clear the field and after the announcement yesterday everyone will say, yep, what else is new and go to the next page and the next story. i think it's a horrible idea and horrible timing. >> that was the republican governor of new hampshire chris sununu not holding back. in the 36 house races that were rated as toss-ups. trump endorsed just five republicans each of whom lost his or her race and here is chris christy. >> almost every one of the competitors have lost and it's a huge loss for trump and again t

shows that his political instincts are not about the party. they're not about the country. they're about him. >> conservative leaning media outlets are turning on trump. this editorial from "the washington examiner," voters say they want sanity and don't want trump. from "the national review," donald trump's gop establishment has failed. >> and trumpty, dumpty. he discusses how he writes, quote sabotaged the republican s. hey, lyin' ted and sleepy joe, meet toxics trump. he might consider giving himself this illiterative nickname after three national tallies either in which he or his party or both and it's time for his stands to accept the truth.

he's the toxic equivalent of a can of raid. it was the most profound vote repellent in modern american history upon. the surest way to lose in the midterms is to be a politician endorsed by trump. that's the front page of "the new york post" joe, the wall street jornal editorial page and trump is the gop's biggest loser on the flip side of the editorial page and a ringing endorsement of ron desantis and his potential to run. >> two more years of ron desantis. again, the white smoke rising over fox news, rising over newscorp and they're looking now at either cardinal desantis or cardinal youngkin as their next. >> here is some of what we heard last night on fox news. >> going into 2024 the republicans are going to be looking for candidates who are focused on winning, not just making a point or settling a

score. the populist movement is about ideas. it is not about any one person. if the voters conclude that you're putting your own ego or your own grudges ahead of what's good for the country they're going to look elsewhere. period. >> mcconnell spent closes to $400 million on these senate candidates. i don't know what goes on behind the scene, but that is a lot of money and we didn't pick up a single seat? so either some of these candidates are garbage or the money is not being well spent, but trump sitting on a massive war chest in mar-a-lago. where did that money go? >> that's a question, willie. first of all, yeah, the candidates were some of the worst we've ever seen and donald trump, again, he raised all of the money for stop the steal and he didn't spend that money because trump doesn't spend his money. >> no. he builds his supporters from

money around january 6th and we'll set up the big fund and then stop the steal. where does the money go? >> he has trained now republicans not to vote in the easiest and more convenience way. no more mail-in ballots and no more early voting and that used to be where they would kill us and they used to get the absentees and there were elderly people who liked the mail-in ballots and the idea that you are discouraging your supporters from voting in the easiest, most secure and effective way is crazy town and i don't know how they get that back because these people are convinceded that if they mail in a ballot they're not an american. >> that's how i ran you have massive tallies by just obsessing -- obsessing over absentee -- >> republicans were really good at mail-in ballots. not anymore. >> the chairman of the dccc,

democrat sean patrick maloney of new york, i would say, do you think it would be true at one time, the chairman had a great night and in fact, a historic night. you can go back and look at midterms going all of the way back to jfk and nobody had as great a night in an off year election when democrats were in power and the other side of it where you lost your race, but i'm wondering if you're thinking when i heard the news that you actual lie, you got republicans to train so much fire on you, as far as political fire. 6 million, 7 million, $8 million to take you, one person out. more $10 million. whatever it was.

if they hadn't spent that money on you. they would have spent it on ten other candidates and it would have been a much better night. actually, you helped your caucus in a million different ways. >> that's generous, but i will accept the kind words on behalf of the candidates who worked their heart out, blood, sweat and tears for two years, and if we did better than anybody expected it's because we have a good president, ladies and gentlemen, and a rock star in the speaker of the house who delivered an economic agenda and a democracy agenda that has really moved our country back from the madness and insanity in the pandemic and the trump years. >> i understand we have a picture of you and nancy and nancy reached out to you and thanked you for taking an arrow for democrats and for defending them the way you did and helping them have such a great night.

>> before you carve me in marble i lost my seat and i wish it was up because right now no one can tell you for certainty what holds the majority of the house of representative. the fact that we're talking about it should give everyone humility in the press who wrote us off for two years and i'm concerned a bunch of democrats might have listened to you because the fact is we were always going to be competitive because we had such great candidates and leadership in the speaker and in the president, and i'm telling you right now, yeah, i agree with your projection, it might be a little low, and when you consider that we started with 220 in their seats, a couple of vacancies and 30 people walking out the door. >> yeah. and so about 185 wanting to in back. thank you for mentioning it, and i think, yeah, you lose three to

five and it's just out of redistricting. so if you go from low 180s to 215 with the headwinds we had, let me just, i want people to be clear. this wasn't some high pressure system that blew the clouds of the maga movement away and our volunteers and our donors and our candidates, my goodness and i am so proud of that effort and i wish more people had believeded in it, and i wish more democrats had stayed and i feel personally responsible that we didn't deliver the majority. we're going to come darn close, but i always believed it was possible and they're still in their path and i want people to understand this is a work day for me and for the democrats in the house. we are not done and a lot of people ended the election tuesday night and we are making sure every legal vote is around the country and carrying

absentee ballots and we have easily two dozen races where it's the really matters that we work at this and we will not let them steal a single seat. >> so, claire, you've been through this extremely difficult situation and we're not carving sean up in marble, just speaking the truth to say that tuesday night was a historic night for a party in power, i've never seen. dave has never seen anything like this, i have never seen a party in 2002 in '98 that did as well as the democrats did when they were in power. when they owned washington. first of all, i'll tell you from experience it's great out here. it's not the end of the world. i promise you. >> i can ask you something? i've heard there they this day between friday and monday when

people don't work. it's true. you have no idea how hard you've been working until you get out in the real world and i feel guilty, i'm so happy. so i think one of the things that i'd like to ask you about is the fund-raising piece and how it has changed. i don't think people realize and i don't think anybody has looked in the camera and thanked the millions of people that gave $5. the millions of people that gave their 10. our viewership is fall of those people that found a race, whether it was in california, colorado, new jersey, new york and they gave a little bit of money they could afford. we raised so much more money, not from the back room dark money folks, but from real people. by the way, that money on the republican side, it's sitting at mar-a-lago. the republican candidates were so disadvantages because the

grassroots giving which has become huge with the internet is going to donald trump where as the grat grassroots on my side is going to the democratic candidates. >> thank you for mentioning that. i should probably mention we're still raising money and we can still help, and your $5 would be great, but let me tell you something. you are absolutely right about that and our small donors are great. thank you. i have to mention that the congressional leadership fund, the super pac, eight people gave over $70 million to that effort. eight people and so that's about the difference, by the way, of what they raised and what we did on the outside. we beat them, head to head versus the nrcc, but that enormous dark money advantage largely fueled by the richest people in the country is one place where they absolutely had

an advantage on it. thank you for mentioning that they could have won two or three seats, and i think there was inefficiency and the candidate level and they get cheaper tv rates and so our candidates again, and our candidate including those who fell short. people like elaine luria and tom malinowski. they put their heart and soul into this and those were the hardest districts in the country. we started winning at angie craig and susan wilde in pennsylvania. i mean, matt cartwright, double trump district, the guy's winning and with all of the headwinds and all of the expectation setting and i just wish we got to two 18 and i'm not happy about it, but i think that we can stage -- we stood our ground, and we did it because our president and the speaker delivered an agenda to the house of representatives in the congress that tackled the

biggest issues in our country from climate change to the racial crisis and i don't want the substance to get lost in the political conversation. we're fighting for something and we're delivering on it. we have more work to do on voting rights and everything that we fell short on, but do think reproductive freedom, and i do think -- i do think what we're standing for is at the heart of our success, if you can call it that on tuesday night. >> boy, willie. i have to say. joe biden was mocked by so many people on the right for talking about abortion it just made a massive difference and democracy. people went out and voted on that, what is your assessment of your race, but what happened across new york state and she held off lee zeldin there and those races on long island all went to republicans and what was

going on in new york this circle. >> here's as simple as i can make it. new york was clearly an outlier, we were worried about the pacific northwest that came back around and there were places where we were slogging and other places like michigan and north carolina, it was around new york city and i want to say this so nobody has a misunderstanding. under any iteration of the map, the top of the ticket would have lost the seats on long island by double digits. that's a problem. when you've got open seats and the rice seats, you know, didn't change on any iteration of the maps so our candidates have to outperform the governor by more than ten points off of more than 15 points and that's a lot to ask. and by the way, without a handful of voters in new york 18, we would have lost in all of

the hudson valley. >> really quickly, put this back up again, and there are a lot of people who were saying, you said hochul wasn't going to win or it was going to be close and she ended up winning. she should have won by 20 points and the fact she won by five points, six points and the fact she got absolutely hammered out on long island made a difference -- >> listen, i'm saying it's not you, i'm just saying it made a difference and there are four less democratic members of congress because of it. that's right. and that's a hard thing to swallow and the fact that my seat's one of them bothers me because the majority could have been -- could have been won and it was -- it was our inability to speak to voters in suburban new york city again under any iteration of the maps that -- that could have made the difference. now i think we own that as

democrats and i'm not blaming the governor, by the way and i'm not blaming your last guest and the mayor of new york is the solution and he's trying to clean up the city and good, but -- but that's just -- that's just the realist any fair analysis and blame me because i should have won 3,000 more votes. >> we won't do so. >> no, i would have had to outperform the top of the ticket by 12 points and that's a tall order and i was walking and chewing gum at the same time and it bums me out. >> no -- >> what it says to me is we are competitive as a national party and i think people should be energized by that, to stand your ground on all of the things from democracy to racial justice and we're going to come back in a big way in '24.

>> well, i know we haven't seen the last of you. we'll talk to you much more and we have more races still to be decided and thank for spending time with us this morning. >> mr. chairman, thank you so much. >> thank you, guys. this morning we've been discussing the election results out of michigan, as well. the state had record breaking turnout, 4.5 million voters cast a ballot there on tuesday. democrats, a big night. the governor, attorney general, secretary of state, all winning another term. democrats also took control of the legislature, handing the party full power for the first time in nearly 40 years. joining us now, michigan's newly re-elected secretary of state joslyn benson. thanks for being with us talk us to, and if you can, more broadly about what happened in the state of michigan. a big margin for governor witmer in a race that some democrats have been concerned about for a while. what happened on tuesday in michigan? >> well, first it was, as you

mentioned, the highest turnout midterm election and that was significant and young voters turn out in record numbers and also significant and we made these elections not about these versus ours, and the freedom to vote and the importance of electing democracy and the impact of their voice and their votes on every issue including the economy and by making it that simple, truth, lies, democracy or not, freedom or not, we were able to be successful. >> secretary of state, it's claire mccaskill here. once again congratulating you and by the way, allow me this moment. there were a lot of strong women on the statewide ticket for michigan. >> across the board. >> i saw one of the pictures you guys did online where the three of you looked like charlie's

angels, but lots of hard work and integrity. i know how strongly you feel about professionalism and elections. the county clerks and the local election boards and the transparency and training that went into the effort and talk about those unsung heroes. we know who you are, but i know you have a large cast of characters that you want to acknowledge because of the phenomenal job they did on tuesday, kind of quelling the nonsense that our elections aren't fair. >> thank you, claire. we're a team, democracy is a team sport from the women at the top of the ticket and the we are truly so much better together, but the 1500 clerks all across our state and thousands of poll workers were really determined to make sure this election went smoothly. i show side up at my polling

place to work and was blown away how the energy was to say not on our watch, every single one of us from poll workers to me in the secretary of state's office, we were determined to protect the voters and to protect the sanctity of the election and we were successful in doing so and pushing back against this really coordinated effort to undermine democracy that did not succeed in michigan in 2020 and it didn't succeed in '22. >> especially in michigan in 2022. a remarkable night for democrats in michigan. michigan secretary of state, jocelyne, congratulations. >> thank you so much. >> so we've sort of back-to-back since the mayor left. i was taken, do the cops in new york city feel like, you know, politicians -- politicians got their back? he said no. no, they don't. you and i have been talking about this. that's a real problem because

the people who suffer the most or the most disadvantaged. >> well, one of the things that i think we don't talk about enough in new york is now the class policemen are people of color and eric adams himself was one that was encouraged by many of the movement that we wanted to put people of color in the department. >> right. >> so i think that we've aloud some of the extremists on the right to act like it's us against them when, in fact, we are them, and i think that we've got to stop letting people act like the black, community or the brown community or the criminals and the others are on law enforcement. no, we are law enforcement and we've got to all fight together against criminal behavior including when cops are on.

i, think when we look at the fact that nationally, keith el son won who prosecuted the case of george floyd, but he did it because he did a methodical investigation, he didn't go by as claire said the end of a tape because as someone that works with these families, the worst thing in the world is for you to have a situation that can be in many ways unraveled because you didn't have the whole story or the real story because you hurt the cause even though you may not have intended to. you've got to say, and i've been out here long enough to say, i'm going to look how deep it is before i jump in the water because i do not want to jump in one inch and break my face jumping in, and i think that that is to protect the movement, not to slow it down. >> well said. reverend al sharpton, thank you. the radical commeys, great band out of portland. claire mccaskill, thank you, as well. we appreciate it. still ahead on "morning joe,"

steve kornacki breaks down the biggest midterm races that remain uncalled and we'll head out to the big board, plus republican congressman adam kinzinger gives us his takeaways from election night including donald trump's impact on his party and we will be joined by senator cory booker of new jersey. a busy morning still ahead. we'll be right back on "morning joe." research shows that people remember ads with young people having a good time. so to help you remember that liberty mutual customizes your home insurance, here's a pool party. look what i brought! liberty mutual! they customize your home insurance... so you only pay for what you need! ♪young people having a good time with insurance.♪ ♪young people.♪ ♪good times.♪ ♪insurance!♪ only pay for what you need. ♪liberty liberty. liberty. liberty.♪

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let's go to the big board, nbc news national political correspondent, steve kornacki is there. we had questions about georgia. we have an answer on that. we will be here for a little while longer on that, but out west now, those two states that

everything hinges on. what are you seeing? >> so georgia will be a runoff. you have nevada and arizona and republicans needing to take one of those two to make that georgia runoff on december 6th, the thing that would determine senate control if democrats go 2 for 2, democrats and arizona and it's just for determining what the exact majority size will be. so let's take you through both of those states. we got votes last night and overnight first in arizona and you see mark kelly and his lead over the senate race statewide is 95,000 and that's up a little bit more than 10,000 from where it was in the start of the evening and the major development was pima county where tucson is and they released a batch of early votes and that boost of kelly's lead and 60,000-plus votes out of maricopa county and kelly was leading by 12 points over masters and it allowed him to

pat his lead. what is left to the come in arizona, two types of votes basically here. you've got about 60 those left of the same type that was counted last night. those are votes that were dropped off or that arrived over the weekend. friday, saturday, sunday or monday, okay? you've got about 60,000 left that fit that category. democrats are hoping that category like we saw last night will continue to help kelly pad this lead and 100,000 statewide. what will come after that is what could decide all of this, 275,000 votes that were dropped off by people in person on election day, and there's a whole debate here about are these going to be democratic friendly and are these going to be republican friendly, how much so, and the vote that was dropped off in person on election day in 2020 that allowed donald trump late in election week to nearly erase

all of the advantage that joe biden had built up in arizona. he brought like 100,000 vote, biden lead to 9700 votes with this batch of votes. so democrats are hoping with what's left from the weekend, kelly can build the kind of pad where he could withstand a big republican vote here. we're not sure it will be a big republican vote, by the way because in 2018 in the senate race is the same type of vote that allowed kyrsten sinema, so we've seen this vote behave differently in the past two elections so it's a mystery. we think tonight, we're hoping in maricopa county is suggesting we'll get a lot of this and we're going to get our first readout of the 275,000 votes. the question of how republican, how democratic that vet vote is, we'll get the answer around 8:00, 9:00 and that will go a long way to determining the senate race, but kelly can have

a pad and can add to that pad and could withstand a big republican number here. candidate who may not be in arizona and the 95,000 vote advantage, and katie hobbs, the democrat is run regular 80,000 votes behind kelly and shez only 13,000 votes ahead of kari lake and the 275,000 votes is republican and not even overwhelmingly republican there are more than enough votes for kari lake to overtake katie hobbs. there is a split in arizona and hobbs really needs that 275,000 not just to not be republican, but to be democratic. so that will be key in arizona. in nevada, you see the governor's race where joe lombardo, where they lead the

democratic incumbent. again, what happened last night is we got updates from the two key counties in nevada and it basically shaved 7,000 votes off of adam laxalt's state-wide lead and it was 72,000 and change and this morning it sits under 16,000 vote and laxalt over cortez-masto. we got a batch of 15,000 mail votes that were released, and cortez-masto was winning them better than 2-1 and we got a batch up in reno, and they favor cortez masto and they allowed her to cut the lead by a few thousand more. so what is left to come in from nevada, there are 40,000 votes left in now and there are about 70,000 mail ballots in clark county. the vast majority of the mail

ballots left in clark county are a very particular type and there were in ballot bockes on election day and just like i was saying in arizona it's a bit of a question and what type of question is that? the voter who takes the mail-in ballot and takes it to a person to a drop box on election day. is that more democratic and republican and you hear it about why it's going to favor them and the vast major sit from that pool. if cortez-masto continues to win the outstanding vote in clark at the rate you see her winning it at last night there are enough votes to overtake laxalt, and if the same-day drop-off that i'm talking about in clark looks different, looks very different from what we saw last night and there was an opportunity for laxalt to hold off cortez-masto. >> steve, can i can you quickly? tell us again, what kind of votes helped her shave 7,000

votes off of laxalt's lead? >> yeah. they were mail-in ballots that were received to election day or drop-off votes prior to election day. >> the ones that we're going to be counting moving forward is same day. all of them same day? >> there's a difference because what they counted on clark the other day, the number of ballots dropped off in the drop-off looks like on a monday before the election is something like 12, 13,000 and then you get to election day itself and the number dropped off is 56,000. is there a difference between the type of person, the type of voter politically who is doing it even a day earlier as opposed to doing it the day of the election and i raise the question because the trend we've seen in the last two elections is people when wait until

election day to vote is certainly in person and maybe by drop box tend to be much more republican than the folks who vote early, even just the weekend before the election and that's what we've seen. we saw that certainly in arizona and the first results in arizona on election night had marked kelly 20 points ahead on the senate race. what were those? those were the early votes and when we woke up in the election, they counted the same-day vote overnight and the same-day vote was heavily republican and then you enter into the hybrid situation there where it's, like, same day, but it's dropped off mail ballots in person and what is that? does it fit that same-day pattern? it's still a mail ballot and does it fit the question in nevada as well. >> coming up, we'll go live to two of those battleground states, arizona and nevada about the still unfolding races there

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>> a man accused of violently attacking nancy pelosi's husband paul pelosi in their san francisco home last month has been indicted on assault and kidnapping charges. david depape could face up to 30 years in prison for assault and 20 years for attempted kidnapping. depape faces a series of state charges. he has pleaded not guilty to all of them. virginia governor glen youngkin apologized to speaker pelosi for comments he but we'll send her back to be with him to california, talking about paul pelosi. youngkin sent a personal

handwritten note apologizing to the house speaker. >> that's alo good thing. that's what we want. >> that's the second apology. he said the day after or the day after that.he

what his mother or father would think. if i said something like that, thanksgiving would be rough. and my mother would say i'm ashamed of you. >> jokes of men being nearly beat on the death with a hammer. he grew up in the mormon church. i don't think there's any person that taught them to speak like that. infection in politics.

he's in the camp of marjorie taylor greene, saying outrageous things to get attention. we could go down the list. where -- you sit there on the stage, maybe that joke is brewing in your mind, decision to make it comes from where? i think he thinks there's some reward, there's cheering in the room, the same calculation kari lake made when she did that, it will fire some people up. but disgusting on a human level. >> it should never come into your mind. the first thing you say is, i don't care who it is, first of all, let's -- by the way, we're thinking about paul pelosi and we're praying for him. he's a grandfather. he's a husband. you know, nancy, we don't agree with nancy on everything, but she's a colleague and we come

together, just like nancy pelosi did with steve scalise. >> right. >> just like we have always done. >> all one family. >> yeah. >> steve scalise in this case, by the way. >> steve did in this case. i had asked the question. i have not seen the tweet, but steve did in this case as well. god bless him. we're in this caddie together. we're in this together. republicans, democrats, independents, we are americans. we've got to figure out a way to work together to make this country a better place. and i just don't know where that comes from, somebody saying something like that. >> you know, i mean, i can only think it's what willie says, you're up there and loving the crowd. i think that was really what happened with karri lake. kari lake made that comment and then it was the smirk gene was referring to earlier.

if you watch the video, there's that moment of a smirk that gives permission of the audience to laugh and the host to laugh and she gets the adulation of them laughing at a joke she's made. it's that feeling of we are all owning the libs together. look how outrageous we can be and look how far we can go. they'll criticize us but we don't care. kari lake said yesterday, i can't say anything anymore. you do something offensive and hit back at people for criticizing you for being offensive in a way that is totally disingenuous because she referred to a bunch of other stuff. i was with glenn youngkin in virginia last weegd, and he's an impressive campaigner for the republicans. he's somebody who has managed to keep a kind of open arm to everybody. he has not totally dissed trump. he may regret that one day spending time with kari lake because he's trying to be a

centrist, but i thought it was interesting he made that time to send a handwritten note, because two things happened in the week in the run-up to the midterms, one, the paul pelosi attack and the reaction of extremists to the attack, and the other was donald trump being out and much more visible and calling nancy pelosi an animal. you have to wonder whether those two things in the run-up to the midterms, people went into the polls just with those ringing in their heads and thought as you said, joe, that's not how my mom raised me, that's not how my parents raised me. it's you not nice. you wonder how many votes that swayed. coming up, senator cory booker of new jersey is standing by. what he calls the big lessons democrats should learn from tuesday's vote next on "morning joe." power e*trade's easy-to-use tools like dynamic charting and risk-reward analysis help make trading feel effortless and its customizable scans with social sentiment help you find and unlock opportunities in the market

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