ing according to "the new york times," a reporter tweeted trump is indeed furious this morning particularly about mehmet oz and is blaming everyone who advised him to back oz, including his wife, describing it as not her best position. might even be her second worst position. >> all right. that is jimmy kimmel. >> doing his thing. >> way to go, jimmy. >> i'll tell you what, again, doesn't seem like a great idea for donald trump to blame melania for oz. >> how low can you go? dr. oz lost, so according to maggie haberman, who knows the trump family reportedly well, he's blaming his wife, said it was melania's idea. >> doesn't it go well when you blame mika for all your mistakes?

>> never. never. >> isn't that a path to success. >> doesn't work for a decision he made. i want to be careful how i say this but -- let me just put it this way. if i tell mika what she needs to do with "owe your value," it doesn't go well. >> you are your value. >> i learned my value that way. because mika would never be persuaded to completely change something based on what i said. likewise, mika would never come to me telling me how to do my job, except when she comes to me and tells me how to do my job. other than that -- come on, seriously. you can't blame your wife because of dr. oz. you had david mccord there. you would have won most likely, even though fetterman, man, can we have that ad? i'd love to start the top of the

hour with the fetterman ad. did you see this fetterman ad about him talking about the stroke and being knocked down and pulled back up? >> a good ad. a really good ad. >> chris math use talked about bobby kennedy where you hang the lantern on your problem. charge toward it. >> for all the concern about that debate, and he did struggle in the debate, and that's just a statement of fact, i think people gave him credit for saying this is what i'm going through, but i'm showing up for the debate. it may not go as well as i want it to, but here it is. >> and when oz stepped in it, telling women to show up about the tax assessor's office to apply for an abortion? that was insane when he said local officials and an abortion. >> you never know what will come out on a debate. oz was focusing rightly on the fact that fetterman had trouble communicating and it was a

painful experience for people who loved him, even people cheering against him, but, again, as i've been saying, we saw that nationally. but the people of pennsylvania between the debate and election night saw this. >> first of all, health care saved my life. and it reaffirmed how critical health care is and need to be expanded as well. i just fundamentally believe that health care was there to save my life and it should be for any person. >> the other side has spent over $100 million to knock me down. five months ago i had a stroke, and it knocked me down but i got back up.

and that's what this whole campaign is also about. anyone in this crowd or anywhere across pennsylvania, if you ever got knocked down, you get back up. in anyone community that was left behind and got knocked down, that's what this campaign is about. >> you look what's happened in that region, in that state, in the upper midwest across the past generation, you listen to a man talking about having a stroke, being knocked down, getting back up, and people seeing in the most painful way during that debate just how much of an impact it had on this big, powerful, strong, political figure, and then the images of the people in the shadows as

he's talking to them, one of the strongest political ads i've ever seen in my life. >> the music and the pacing, it was incredibly moving. it reminded me when i was in pittsburgh and when we were talking to pittsburgh voters, they knew him. he had been a presence. he had went county to county. there's just something to be said for being a real pennsylvanian, a person of the state, and not coming in as a carpetbagger. >> and a guy, again, who got knocked down in one of the toughest ways, and being able to -- health care, health care saved my life. if it saves my life, you should have the same health care, it should be able to save your life. >> a convincing closing argument to his voters. one of his soon-to-be colleagues in the united states senate from neighboring new jersey, democratic senator cory booker. great to have you with us this

morning. we've been talking for the last couple days about the surprise to a lot of democrats about the results, yes, losing the house, the senate still within your grasp. what happened on tuesday night? did results defy even your expectations? >> well, i've traveled in about a dozen states, and a lot of folks were predicting that history would play out, that obviously the party in the house usually loses seats in the midterm in addition to the fact inflation is high and a lot of people are hurting as a result of it and that all spells for disaster. but the faults of the republicans were a number of things. one is serious threats to our democracy. people really did have that as a concern. over 300 republicans were running in this country that were denying the election results, that were saying things openly that were frightening like the candidate for governor in wisconsin, who said if i win republicans will never again lose a race, that was

fundamentally offensive to folks. two, there was an extreme overreach, whether it is talking openly about privatizing social security or cutting medicare or, frankly, just taking away the freedom to control your own body. people found that as overreach. the final point i think that fetterman did so well is to talk about, well, who will have your back? if inflation is bald, who is going to be better for you? the signature legislation for the donald trump presidency was the biggest tax cut in the generation to the wealthiest corporation and americans. and when democrats have control, they lower your prescription drug costs, they lower our health care costs, help you stop being evicted in a pandemic and more. those things defying expectation and showing a really good day on a day that should have been historically a really bad one. >> senator booker talking about

inflation, which could have been a headwind. it has cooled a bit, down to 7.7%. not a great number, but the trend is going in the right direction. >> 7.7% still going to hurt a lot of americans, middle-class americans, working-class americans, but those interest rates obviously, a lease, looks like those interest rates are starting to have an impact. i know you've got a question for the senator. one thing that republicans just never did, they complained about inflation, i never heard a plan. you know? >> they never said anything they were going to do. >> just like health care. they've been talking about health care and how bad the affordable care act is since 2010. they've not put together a comprehensive health care plan in 12 years now. >> we heard a lot more about what was going to happen to hunter biden than we did any policy plan whatsoever. >> right. >> that's what i would go back to the senator with. what lies ahead? what do we have to look forward to in the lame-duck session with legislation?

what are going to be the democrats' priorities? >> well, for me, eventually, we have to do a couple things. we have to fund the government. we have to get the defense authorization done. but i'm really hoping we get back to the basics. probably the best policy that joe biden and the democrats have done that i'm proud with, joined with bennett and brown, senators from ohio and colorado, was the expansion of the child tax credit. that was the biggest middle-class tax cut our country has had for working-class and middle-class people cutting poverty in this country by close to 40%. a lot of republicans will be pushing a lot more tax extenders and tax breaks. i'm hoping we can get some deal done where for working folks get to keep more of their paycheck and for the most vulnerable children we help them out. >> great to see you. senator cory booker, thank you so much for being here. really appreciate it. >> great to be on.

thank you for having me. >> see you soon, senator. the breaking news, the dow surging right now on the news, 7.7% doesn't sound great. for people that are trying to figure out where business is going, where the economy is going, obviously people on wall street think this is great news because maybe inflation -- >> futures way up right now. the market opens in about 20 minutes. the number is at 7.7%. it had been at 8.2%, not good but going in the right direction, at least for this month. the midterm races in nevada and arizona remain too early to call this morning. if neither party sweeps, then the georgia race, which is heading to a runoff, will decide control of the united states senate. our nbc reporters are in both states. vaughn hillyard in phoenix, arizona, stephanie gosk in las vegas. vaughn, arizona's maricopa county right at the center of

things. >> reporter: the ballots are being tabulated, slowly, but they are. last night was a good indicator for the democrats. mark kelly running, currently up by about 95,000 votes over blake masters, and katie hobbs, up by about 13,000 votes over karri lake. the batch of ballots that dropped in maricopa were the early ballots that came in over the weekend, mail ballots. democrats had to perform well among these ballots in order to stay in this, especially in the governor's race here. because those trends do heavily blue, the first several weeks of early voting, so that was a good sign because they need to build out this lead as much as they can get in order to stave off what is expect expecting to be a closing of the gap with the next batch of ballots that come in. some will be coming tonight but even more so tomorrow. those ballots are going to be the ballots that were dropped off, hand-delivered on tuesday

by voters. this is a batch of 275,000 ballots. why do these particular ballots matter? back in 2018, kyrsten sinema won a great share of these volts. but in 2020, donald trump did. that's how trump nearly overcame joe biden. that is the big question mark. it will be tough for anyone to declare victory, maybe an eager candidate for governor, regardless of the ballot drops, but that is the real indicator of whether katie hobbs has a shot and also whether blake masters has a shot to catch up to mark kelly. a lot at stake. these ballots are dropping tonight 8:00 p.m., 9:00 p.m. eastern. >> vaughn, i won't ask you to make any predictions, but what is the feeling on the ground? obviously, nobody can see into those 275,000 ballots dropped

off. but what's the feeling on the ground, particularly in that governor's race where the margin is so slim between hobbs and lake? >> reporter: democrats here are hopeful, but i should say that the republicans are much more eager and feeling good about what exists here. talking about that 275,000 ballots that were hand-delivered, of course that is about 100,000 more than were dropped off in the 2020 election. and the republicans believe that is in large part due to skepticism around mail voting. these were mail ballots that were sent to voters and they chose to hand deliver them. republicans, the kari lake campaign, feel like the great majority of those voters are individuals who are skeptical of mail voting and wanted to come and hand deliver them just like in 2020. they feel like they'll be able to close the gap and believe they'll be looking at a governor of kari lake in a few months. >> we will see. vaughn hillyard, thanks so much.

a similar situation in nevada where officials in the state's most populous county said the count won't be finished until next week. stephanie gosk is there for us. what are you hearing from election officials? >> reporter: hey, willie. switch the names, switch the geography, and what i'm about to tell you will sound a lot like what vaughn told you in terms of the process. we have, just like in arizona, this dropbox ballot count that's coming. that is a little bit harder to determine partisan makeup of. there is a hope that it will break as these mail-in ballots have been breaking for the democrats among the democrats here in cortez masto. and you saw her deficit drop considerably. i landed on the ground in vegas, and the difference was about 22,000 votes. then you had roughly 35,000 votes dropped overnigtovernight that deficit dropped to about

15,000. you know, it's interesting here when you talk about how long it's going to take them to count these ballots. you have to consider a couple things here, willie, when it comes to nevada law and these elections. the first is in 2021 every registered voter in this state was give an mail-in ballot. they could vote in person if they wanted but the vast majority are mail-in ballots. the other thing you have to consider is that, by law, any ballot that is postmarked on election day has to be considered at least arriving until saturday. the day after an election, they received more than 10,000 votes in clark county. all that will matter if this deficit gets smaller between the candidates. >> going to need some patience out there, just like in arizona. stephanie gosk live for us in las vegas. stephanie, thanks so much. joe, the elections officials in both states and across the country have done a good job i think perhaps in response to

2020, just communicating, here's what we're doing, what the process looks like, why it's taking so long. trying to stop and quell some theorys from kari lake and others. they're doing a great job. you have two election deniers in lax autoand kari lake, yet nobody -- i haven't heard steve bannon or anybody demanding that they stop counting votes. i'm sure it's not as cynical because they're actually the ones who are behind and now they're having to wait for their votes to be counted, but isn't it crazy. again, this is the stupidity of all the -- the stupidity of all these conspiracy theories, never quite figured out how idiots, and i'm saying idiots, people i know and love, but idiots who still believe conspiracy theories about the election, only the conspiracies for the rigged elections -- >> right. their people. >> -- affected their people who

lost, but their people who won, part of the same state system or same county system, same electoral system, well, those were legitimate. it's the same thing with let's stop the votes in pennsylvania. let ees but let's let them go in arizona. you have to be a willing participant of a cult to not think through some of these basic truths about the inconsistencies. here we see it again. why isn't steve bannon yelling stop the vote in arizona, stop the vote in nevada? because he understands how the process works and it will help republicans this time. >> you know, you look at how it all ended up, and the down ballot races for attorney general and secretary of state where election deniers were on the ballot, they overwhelmingly lost. >> right. >> incumbents, whether republican or democrat, who weren't deniers, they managed to hold their offices. people do not like sore losers.

this has been going on for years now. even a certain point, you know, democratic activists got over complaining about gore versus bush and moved on. but, like, this is really going such a strong way, and they're going to lose and keep losing because people want to look forward. >> the greatest example of that is kemp in georgia. you know, stacey abrams, again, she helped organize that state. kemp, though, fared better than herschel walker for quite a few reasons, but one was he told donald trump he lost. and there are a lot of people in those suburbs that were, like, okay, heraffensperger were not deniers. so you get the vote. >> you can tell donald trump no and say he's wrong when he's wrong and still win. kemp proved that in georgia. two republican speakers are weighing in about where the

party went wrong in the elections. here is what newt gingrich and paul ryan said yesterday. >> we have to do a lot of soul searching and head scratching and parsing the numbers as to why we didn't perform as well as we would have liked to have. >> why do you think it is? >> i think trump is a drag on our ticket. i think donald trump gives us problems politically. we lost the house, the senate, the white house in two years when trump was on the ballot or in office. i think we have some trump hangover. i think he's a drag on our offices. >> i think governor desantis is the biggest single winner of the night and he will almost certainly become the rallying point for everybody in the republican party who wants to move beyond president trump, which would make for a pretty remarkable race. >> write that in. newt. >> desantis. just need a board. start checking them off. >> trump. desantis.

very good. >> about five minutes. let's bring in republican congressman adam kinzinger of illinois, a member of the select committee investigating the january 6th attack on the capitol. congressman, good morning. thanks for being with us. your assessment. you heard paul ryan, you heard newt gingrich, a slew of others saying this is donald trump's fault, we have to move on. not so easy, of course. what's your assessment of what happened on tuesday night? >> yeah. i mean, there's no doubt they're both correct i guess in a way. i think desantis is now kind of the anti-anti-trumper, that group's candidate now, the savior for them. i think there's no doubt that donald trump is a drag. but i think the thing we miss in talking about that is why is donald trump still even a thing? it's two people. primarily it's kevin mccarthy going to mar-a-lago, which is ironic because i think kevin mccarthy will be the one that donald trump throws under the bus to try to blame for this election outcome, because you know donald trump will not take

the blame. and the other one, though i like the guy, is mitch mcconnell, who had a chance in the impeachment when ten of us in the house voted to impeach and seven of his senate colleagues and he stood up and voted no on conviction. he had a chance to put donald trump away. in reality, donald trump is a drag on the ticket. we need to go back two years to figure out how we got here in the first place. >> congressman, inch wants to talk about how this is trump versus desantis, but it's potentially going to be a large and crowded republican field. do you think that donald trump does anything but burns down the party completely? i just don't see him going out without a complete fight. >> no. i think you're right. i think to some extent it's probably going to take the republican party taking some losses before you wake up fully. i mean, this election cycle is still kind of a victory i guess for republicans but not near

what was expected. so i'll take that -- they'll take that as a hit. i think he'll burn the place down because everything is about him. even on election night, instead of, i don't know, truthing or whatever that is, you know, some message about the future, all he was doing was gloating about the republicans that lost that didn't sufficiently suck up to him. so i think it is going to be a competitive primary for the presidency. and while people look at desantis and i think desantis had a great night, i think he's going to be a solid candidate for the republicans going forward, but it's a wide-open field. i think there is room for somebody, whoever that is, to come forward with an optimistic vision instead of this constant grievance thing we've had the last few years. >> the "wall street journal" editorial page has consistently gone after trump on election denying and other issues like that. what impact do you think that

will have not on elected officials but on the base? at the end of the day, i mean, it's the base that the politicians are scared of, a why they keep kowtowing to an authoritarian type guy who hates free elections. it just comes down to that. do you think the base starts to pry themselves away from this guy? >> look, i'm going to even refine it further. it's not even the base that politicians and my colleagues are scared of. it's the ones that show up in public. so, you can look and say donald trump is a drag on our ticket, but if the people you talk to when you're out in public are the ones that are hardcore trump supporters, and i've dealt with this, something i've experienced at least in the last five years, it is uncomfortable being around them and much easier to stand in front of them and be, like, no, i'm with you, i believe in you, so, yeah, i'm with trump. it's important that the "wall street journal" turns its back,

because that's kind of the republican donor class to an extent. i think fox news will have the bigger impact of anything. but the question is does fox news stay? remember, fox news created the cardinal sin two years ago of calling arizona accurately for joe biden before anybody else, and it cost them ratings. so it's not an issue of here's reality, here oors not reality. it's an issue of what makes you feel good. and if people start feeling bad, any money-making organization like that will turn back and say, okay, what do you need to feel good? >> congressman, you obviously put your career on the line to speak the truth about what happened in the 2020 election. you're retiring. you sit on the committee that continues to tell the truth about what happened before, during, and after january 6th. are you heartened in any way by what you saw, not as a republican or democrat, but as an american, people continuing

to push that lie that you fought against that lost? some won. kari lake may still win. but by and large, they were swept away in governors' races and house races across the country. >> i really was. i have an organization country first, we were getting behind democratic secretaries of state because they're the ones that are going to have to stand against this. a lot of those people won. and i think what it showed is folks may say that the number-one issue is inflation or abortion, i think those had an impact in the election, but i think things like the january 6th committee hearings, like the attack on paul pelosi, i think all of that was creating a real discomfort in people's hearts and it's why you didn't see a wipeout like you saw. so i was heartened. this is just the beginning. we can't sit back and say everything is normal again. this is just the beginning of fighting back. it's what i'm excited to have a lot more time to be able to do

after the house. but, look, even though evan mcmullin lost in utah, 41% of utah, a state that basically is almost an 08/20 state, democrats, republican, and independents came together to stand up against mike lee. we need more of that in the future, this uncomfortable alliance for democracy. now is not the time to go to sleep and take a nap. now is the time to double down. >> republican congressman adam kinzinger of illinois. congressman, thanks for being with us. we appreciate it. still ahead on "morning joe," cnbc's andrew ross sorkin joins us to break down that inflation report just released. things headed in the right direction for now. also ahead, president biden spoke last night with house minority leader kevin mccarthy. we'll ask the president's deputy chief of staff, jen o'malley dillon, about the details of that conversation when she joins us live if the white house. "morning joe" will be right back.

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how do you reassure them if that is reason for their questioning, that the former president will not return, that his political movement is still very strong, will not -- >> oh, yeah? >> -- once again take power in the united states? >> well, we just have to demonstrate that he will not take power. >> what do you think would be the tougher competitor, ron desantis, or former president trump, and how is that factoring into your decision? >> it would be fun watching them take on each other. >> all right. he was having fun. >> he was loose yesterday. >> oh, yeah? nice. "oh, yeah?" let's bring in the white house deputy chief of staff and assistant to the president jen o'malley dillon. jen, thanks for being with us. the president, well, say he

seemed loose yesterday, seemed relaxed. we hear about this call between mccarthy and the president. do you have any information to pass along? >> thanks for having me. i think the president continues to be quite pleased with what he's seeing out there. as you would imagine, he is talking to leader mccarthy, democrats and republicans, some that won, some that lost yesterday, and i think he's making clear what he's made clear to the american people. he's going to work with anyone to get down to the business of the american people. >> so jen, we had james carville on wednesday morning, and james said, you know, we're going to be trying to figure this out 30 years from now, exactly all the crazy things that happened last night. may very bad james carville accent. what have you guys figured out looking through the numbers, the data, what happened on tuesday that caught even the most

optimistic democrats by surprise? >> well, i think you had a great james impersonation there. >> oh, thank you. >> as a kid, i worked with him in louisiana. look, i think that we were certainly optimistic, and we knew that turnout, if people turned out like we saw in 2020, what we would call the biden coalition, young people, women, communities of color that are to responding to actually seeing what can be delivered and the progress that we've made, that we would have a good night. but also i think we saw that people in places that had early vote and voting by mail and election-day vote, more people were able to participate because the process was easier. i think that was significant. that's what the president was speaking to, too, before the election. how do we have patience and looking at the results of what happened but how do we do more so people in the country continue to know how important their vote and their voice was? when that happens, i think you see the results we're seeing and

how we continue to be quite optimistic today. >> jen, good morning. viewers can look at the bottom of the screen. our projection, democrats did better than expected on tuesday night, is still that the house will go to republicans. the senate, it remains to be seen. how does that new dynamic in the house affect what you all do? how does it change your strategy when you look at a congress and republicans who have said we're going to start impeachment hearings on day one, we want to talk about hunter biden's laptop and all this stuff they'll throw at you? does it change your calculus about how you proceed over the next two years? >> well, the first thing i would say is i had couple calls this morning, and i think the house is truly still in play here. and to be here today and to see how close it will be and that there is still a path when we look at the races that are outstanding, when we look at the votes coming out of the west, there's definitely still a path for democrats to hold the house. that's significant. but i think the president has been clear, i think the american people were clear in voting,

that they want elected leaders who are working together to deliver on behalf of what they are seeing in their lives and the impacts they are feeling. and i think regardless of what we face moving forward, you'll continue to see more of the president getting down to the business of the american people. i think he's passed over 200 bipartisan bills, delivering on some significant pieces of legislation that we'll continue to feel more of the impact of into next year. so i don't think anything change about that. head down, doing the work. >> and some news a few minutes ago that inflation, while still high, is at least headed in the right direction. white house deputy chief of staff jen o'malley dillon, thanks so much. we appreciate it. >> thank you. co-anchor of cnbc's "squawk box," our friend andrew ross sorkin at the table. what do you make of this number, 7.7% inflation? >> it's much better than we thought. the expectation was 7.9%, coming off 8.2%. it's possible we're moving in the right direction.

now, to get back to 2% is still a long ways away, but the stock market today likes this. it also is a backward-looking indicator. if you think about what's happened in the last two months, with wage inflation, job losses, what it means ultimately is that the expectation now is that the federal reserve is not going to have to continue to keep rates at this elevated pace. the question is how quickly do they come down. jay powell has said repeatedly he wants to keep his foot sort of on the gas. so he actually may make things a little harder at least for the next couple months. i don't think one month is going to be the pivot that changes everything. >> let's talk about the midterms. we started it yesterday, talking about ceos, row they're reacting to the midterms. >> sigh of relief. that's what we hear across the board. because what they -- they look at this as a referendum on trump and the idea of -- i think the

idea that trump could come back, the power of trump in the party, and whether you think he's no longer on the table. if you believe he's off the table for the business community, for the economy, for the world of ceos, they think that's a very good thing. and they think that things may be coming back closer to the center. the question is if you believe that desantis effectively replaces trump, what is the -- is desantis' populism, does he get more populist and replace trump in the fringy way or replace him and move back more to the middle? we talked about it yesterday. he was so outspoken even that fiery speech, and the question is does he need to say that way or -- you know, because that's sort of the new desantis, right. that's the last two-year creation. >> right. i think the jesters will be there but it will be more mainstream. >> more mainstream. >> in terms of what wall street

want ps. >> what wall street wants, corporate america wants. if you pick a fight with disney today in the same way you would have picked a fight with disney six months ago. >> during the pandemic, we just saw billionaires were making billions a day. it was outrageous. just unbelievable. >> outrageous. >> i won't say the mighty have fallen because they're still billionaires, but you look at zuckerberg, who's lost a lot in the last couple years personally, you look at this headline, meta is cut 30g% of its workforce. >> apple cutting, amazon cutting, stripe cutting, twitter obviously cutting. >> right. and then you have of course this decade's version of credit default swaps, which i read about in the "wall street journal," "the new york time," and i say i just don't get it. same thing with crypto. i just don't get it. i just don't get it.

man, they're bleeding out. and who was this ft -- >> ftx. >> ftx, man. >> bern yay madoff scandal, basically. >> you asked the question, is this bernie madoff? we don't know. ftx, you know it because of the stadium and tom brady and gisele, those great ads, that was them. this was a company worth $32 billion just as of literally two months ago. it was the exchange for cryptocurrency run by sam bankman-fried. today the company is worthless. worthless. this man, he was worth $14 billion. people talked about him being the next jpmorgan in the context of 1907 rescuing all the other cryptocurrency companies because he'd gone in the last couple months and bought a lot of them up. but what we didn't know was how much leverage was in the system.

we'll find out whether he knew how much leverage was in the system. he says he didn't. and here we are, he's got a hole right now of about $8 billion, and we don't know how he's going to fill that. this is a company that could file for bankruptcy. >> wow. >> and by the way, there's a lot of people's money that's going to get stuck in this that they may never get back. sam bankman-fried literally took to twitter for the first time just moments ago before we got on the air. i don't know if we can use the language. he says i'm sorry, that's the biggest thing. i f-word upped and should have done better. then goes on to say he's trying to fix it. he said he didn't realize how much leverage was in the system. again, you don't know whether to believe that. and now there's a question mark of whether or not they were, quote, commingling funds. he had a separate office that might have been moving some funds and maybe they were using some of those. we don't know. >> the beginning of the story, i suspect.

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welcome back to "morning joe." the latest book by ken burns featured a collection of the write ears favorite photographs taken throughout history. it's "our america" conceived an created in the spirit of the photographic evidence of our collective past might help heal our divisions. the legendary filmmaker and author joins us now. you're still uncomfortable with me calling you a legend. i said you are the most prolific man i know. if it's not a documentary, it's a big coffee table book that tells the story of america. what was behind this? >> i've been incubating it for about 15 years working nights and weekends with my beloved researcher, finding images that we could do a history of the

united states from the first self-portrait taken, of course americans like to take pictures of themselves, more or less to the present. it gets open-ended. look at all that we are, joyously, sadly, wars, peace, fun, the natural beauty of the united states. it's all here. it's interesting as i've listened to "morning joe" all morning, almost everything that we've talked about -- elections, free and fair elections, threating to those elections, the rich and the poor, poverty, race -- all of these things are in the book because human nature doesn't change. and "there's nothing new under the sun" from the bible. it's my america, my selecting it. it's to reach out to everybody. we have a website called kenburnsunum.com, trying to look

at the divisions in the country by creating the evergreen themes in america and remind us we have much more in common than we don't. >> let's look at some of these photographs. you can kind of narrate them. it's chronological. it's beautiful how it's laid out. very simple. the photograph, place, and date. >> we're talking about the control of congress. this is what the congress building looked like before the civil war. it got significantly overhauled just as we significantly overhaul it periodically, one party moving in, one party moving out. i think the results of this week tell us with all due respect to william butler yates that the center held, that anarchy is not loosed upon the land as we have frequently worried politically. robert kennedy wrote an editorial about that in '68 quoting yates. so, there's the congress. >> let's look at the carlisle school next. what's the significance of this one? >> look, the supreme court is talking right now about indian

children rights and adoption things and whether there's preferential treatment. we took native americans from the west, the great plains and the mountain west, and we moved them to indian schools, this one in carlisle, pennsylvania, not far from gettysburg. and we cut their hair, told them we would beat them if they spoke their language. we put them in western suits and we had a phrase, which was "kill the indian, save the man." this is part of our complicated legacy that i think we have to acknowledge and look at and accept and understand what we've done. many other pictures in the film of the extraordinary perseverance and nobility and humanity of people throughout the -- >> which is what you try to do in your films, a full picture, not the romanticized version we've often been told about some of these stories. >> i was working in jazz and wynton marsalis said a thing and the opposite of a thing are true at the same time. i think in our politics we assume it's binary, everything has to be one thing or another,

and it's not. it's complicated. i think we're learning about that this week. when we trust who we are, when we see who we are as people, and not just say, oh, you're a red state person or you're a blue state person, we begin to extend to them a kind of sense of their own humanity, which permits us in turn to understand the complexity of who we are and to understand that, you know, democracy just won. >> sorry. the photographs. 1904, new york city subway. >> first subway station in the united states. >> wow. >> so gorgeous. >> can we get back to those, by the way? >> it's a phantom place that exists. i think you can find somebody who will take you under there. it was a huge thing. new york, new york, the wonderful town. people and a hole in the ground. and that's the first one.

they flooded it. it was a rapid transit company. and it was the city hall station. quha is the most feengful photo to you in the entire book? >> well, you know, there is one of abraham lincoln which is the last photograph ever taken of him just before 1865, just before he was assassinated. this is our greatest president. he understood us. he would be here, his words echoing from the first inaugural about the mystic cords of our nature are as contemporary today as anything. the cover of the book is in some way the same photograph, the full value of citizenship of a kid on a harlem street in 1949 taken by my mentor the great still photographer jerome lead

also ling. he has a hockey shirt. he is holding his coat. just the curves of the automobile. his shoelaces are afraid and untide. he has this beautiful hat. i mean that and lincoln kind of are the message. this is us. there is no them. i've been studying the u.s. but i've only been studying us as well. >> what i love is can you get lost in every win of the pictures for a long time. they go back in the back of the book and read the surface. there is so much in here. the sbook "our america: a photographic history" by ken burns. thank you so much. >> thank you. >> latest from florida coming up. tropical storm nicole is making its way towards orlando. "morning joe" is back in just a moment. orlando. "morning joe" is back in just a moment power e*trade's award-winning trading app makes trading easier. with its customizable options chain, easy-to-use tools, and paper trading to help sharpen your skills, you can stay on top of the market from wherever you are.

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any come coming on land. waves crashing into the beach on daytona beach nvero beach, winds blowing up transformers. and now nicole crawling through florida and later up the east coast. early winds and waves combined to wash away significant portions of the beach. buildings left precariously close to the water's edge. >> there is an imminent danger of building collapse. >> why? the storm surge from hurricane ian six weeks ago. battered the sand dunes here. the last line of defense between the ocean and the coast. absent the sand dunes which are a natural protection, you can see the beach erosion, the see sea wall has given way. next high tide will take out more here. see here? that building up there, well, as you look down, you can see the erosion is already begun to

undermine the foundation. engineers say last-ditch efforts to shore up weakened areas will be little match for the power of the ocean. super charged by nicole. >> look over your shoulder. >> it's sickening. sickening. i'm in disbelief. >> nicole owns a beach rental business. this is what it usually looks like here. nicole is the nail in the coffin for daytona beach shores. ian came in and did all this damage. and now nicole is just putting us away. >> along more than 200 miles of the atlantic coast, florida emergency managers ordered mandatory evacuations. and open shelters. but not everyone was willing to leave. >> it's late in the year. we're going to make it through. and we'll be here tomorrow. >> i hope everybody stays safe. >> nbc's kerry sanders reporting for us from florida. that does it for us this morning. we'll see you right back here tomorrow morning. jose diaz and chris jansing pick

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