welcome back. it is 2:00 p.m. here in new york city. i'm katy tur alongside hallie jackson, in washington and we are still waiting on the big calls on control of the house and the senate, but we are getting a little bit closer in nevada. the clark county registrar will give another update in just about 30 minutes. democrats feel bolstered in last night's vote count, went well for senator catherine cortez masto and if it breaks this same kay today, adam laxalt's lead could get even smaller. it is tougher for democrats in the governor's race, where sisolak is behind republican joe lombardo. and we take a look at the senate score card with a big picture look. nevada and arizona, you're abouting to see, where we are expecting more votes to come in this evening along with the runoff from georgia, where we

heard from senator raphael warnock, the senate democrat. >> i came here to ask you one question. are you ready to do this one more time? let's get it done. >> his opponent herschel walker will be out with ted cruz later on today. on the house side, it is the waiting game, 31 uncalled races to find out who will hold the majority, and the nbc news projection at the moment, 221 r, 214 d, that is the projection, plus or minus 7 seats which means it is jump ball here. we talked about nevada. votes still getting counted. stephanie gosk is there. our nbc news correspondent is out there in vegas this afternoon, and let's talk about the update in just about 30 minutes from now from officials in clark county, where you are. what should we expect? >> reporter: well, you know, they're getting into a little bit of a rhythm here in nevada, it is 2:30 eastern press

conference with telling you how many votes they will drop and later on in the evening they will drop the votes. that's what they did yesterday. a little over 14,000 votes hoo ner clark county. another 20,000 or so in martial county, as you mentioned, they broke for cortez masto heavily. the real question today is the makeup of these votes that they're going to drop tonight. and i say that because they're now looking through some 57,000 drop box votes and these are the mail-in boxes that people didn't actually put in the mail, instead they went to their polling locations, and put them in the drop box, and who might do that, it is a little unknown and really cortez masto needs them to break strong in her favor. she is 15,000 votes behind laxalt and she needs every single one of them. the question is how many votes will you drop tonight and how many of those are drop box votes? hallie? >> stephanie, i'll take it, thank you very much. let's go now to our panel, take can us is jennifer palmieri

former white house communications director from barack obama, and we have our political analyst. jen, to speak with you, we haven't spoken about what happened on tuesday and trying to figure it out, what is your sense of things? >> i feel like democracy is making a comeback, you know, that we are erecting new guardrails. it is not quite a, it is not quite a straight line, it's not quite, you know, where kari lake may very well be elected, be named governor tonight in arizona, or the next couple of days, but it does feel like huge numbers of people voted, and election deniers were turned away, and you know, obviously as a democrat, i wanted to see the democrats hold on to the house, but moreover, you wanted to see democracy itself trending in the right way. and so you know, i feel really good about that.

>> let me talk to you about a couple of races that we have laid out with the senate land scape and the house landscape and one thing we haven't talked about yesterday is colorado and the super, super tight race and let's look at the boards, or hearing from the democratic opponent. let's play that. >> we don't just try the partisan coalition, the district is 25% democrat 31 republican and the rest unaffiliateed so we kind of built in pro-normal party coalition as my nom named it back in the primary and we're very focused on accumulating those frustrated republicans, those independents, that want people to focus on jobs and want people to focus on water and want people to focus on health care for the civilians as well as veterans. >> is it surprising that this case is as close as it is? >> it is amazing. it shows you that there is, you

know, tim ryan lost this race in ohio but he talked about the exhaustive majority of people who just want normal rules to apply, want truth to matter, and that, you know, it's had a resurgence and the fact that lauren boebert in that kind of a district, that red of a district, can be on the ropes, it is a very positive, you know, i'm sure we're going to have a lot of machinations, like you know, take years and years to come out of this, to sort all of this roiling out and it's a big deal and i don't know how long this will last, but you see republicans starting to blame trump, you see maybe even an orchestrated effort, in terms of the murdoch enterprise, "the wall street journal" editorialized against him, the new york post has had a couple of humpy dumpty i believe it was. >> and yesterday, it was -- >> the future.

>> and kayleigh mcenany says he shouldn't announce for president until after georgia and shouldn't go to georgia and says desantis should go to georgia because he won florida so handily and it is a neighbor and we've seen this before, and we saw after january 6th, we saw kevin mccarthy really try to distance himself from trump, and three weeks later he's at mar-a-lago. >> do you want to talk about desantis or do you want to talk about trump here? and we were having a conversation a moment ago, when we were going off-air, what happens in the desantis/trump matchup. because a lot of republicans saying now, publicly now, and now is now, and regardless of what happens in the future, that donald trump is over and it is time to move on. we are obviously the new york post et cetera saying that. is desantis, can he stand up to trump in the primary? >> so this is the weakest point

of donald trump's political career without question. it is the strongest point of ron desantis's career. i think a couple of things to be careful about if you're a republican, do you want to annoy as the next leader someone who identifies so closely with donald trump, right? the referendum that we've seen in '18 and '20 and '22 nationally has been a rejection of the direction that trump is trying to take the country. ron desantis is his brightest student, his closest confidante, but the question is, will they go head-to-head? ron desantis's camp feels like it can absolutely beat donald trump particularly in a head-to-head primary. the one thing that donald trump is capable of doing that nobody else is rebranding ron desantis. he has been very disciplined from the beginning of his career to protect a brand. he does not speak to the press unless it is friendly press. he does not do traditional environments that a politician does. he has a sculpted brand.

the media can't penetrate it. donald trump can rebrand ron desantis in a real way. and i'll tell you, ron desantis has a glass jar and a fragile -- >> is it sleepy or -- >> is it as simple as giving a nickname as desanctimonious or more to it? >> what they are doing is playing him, pulling off the playing field and don't say gay and the other migrant stuff that ron desantis did, they all got litigated in desantis's favor, he goes into the race over 50% and florida voters rightly or wrongly said we're okay with all of that, and what if you rebranded him and pulled him off of the field, and this is a joke but donald trump is crazy enough to do that. ron desantis hates children, and why? because his florida allowed

students in florida to start the school year with 8,000 teacher vacancies. donald trump is the only person who can get something like that to stick. is it going to be that? probably not. it is just an example. but desantis has never taken on donald trump. he was his acolyte. and then he governed adjacent to donald trump. but the one thing he has never done, ever, is confront the old man. >> whatever happens with donald trump, right, in 2024, david, and jen and katy, whether he will be the face of the party in the next election, and whether he will be defeated by desantis, he has already planted the seeds of what we are now seeing, right? this election denialism, this lie that has flourished in places across the country, including in arizona, including by the way, as he is now claiming in nevada, without evidence, by the way, we should note, after all of the backlash to the lie that he was delivering about 2020, the investigations, the lawsuits, et cetera, he is again saying without evidence, that there was

cheating. no evidence of that. nevada is now out with a statement in the last couple of minutes, jen, saying, you have to refute this, they have to come out now with a statement saying we heard his outrageous claims but they say he is obviously still misinformed about the law and our election process, concern can the integrity of the elections in clark county. three paragraphs laying out how it works and they couldn't speed up the process if they wanted to, and we know it would be a slow count even before election day. that has been eyeballs and ear holes watching and listening. >> what is interesting to this is that maybe in '20, or in '18, certainly in '16, the clark county clerk would have hesitated to put something out like this, because you don't want to feed the conspiracy theories, right? so if you address it, maybe you're spreading the conspiracy theory, right? this is how the communications used to be done and now if there is a conspiracy theory about

voting, that trump is trying to, is giving the platform to, we have to knock it down right away, and these states, i think it is more true in places like arizona and pennsylvania and michigan, that really got, and georgia, that really got caught up in the 2020 recounts, and conspiracy theories, that the voters are just, you know, when you go to those state, the voters are very attuned to that. they know what to listen for. >> talk to me more about the states. looking at the democratic apparatus, what is the mood as you look at arizona and where the vote count is there and more votes tonight and the update in 20 minutes? >> that people feel confident about mark kelly winning. i mean as confident as you can feel in a very close race where it is going to go back and forth. and you know, you may see blake masters pull ased at some point, but they feel confident that mark kelly will come out on top. and then, but the lake/hobbs race, more the gubernatorial

race, much tougher, obviously mark kelly's way ahead, much further ahead, where as katie hobbs is only about 13,000 votes ahead of kari lake. so arizona, that could easily, here is the tricky thing for democrats, and one thing that is positive is that people have been looking at this. >> there have been concession speeches. >> yes. >> there have been concession speeches. >> it is interesting that that is news. there have been concession speeches from democrats, and from republicans. >> that's right. and concession speeches, with nbc news, you project -- >> people concede. and that is a good thing. and what will be tough if kari lake wins and she legitimately won an election based on election denial, and you know, that is something that democrats will have to accept, that and they will have to accept that she won and let it go, even though her campaign is all based on a lie. in nevada, you have nevada,

catherine cortez masto, her situation, with mark kelly, still hopeful. >> i know you're stilling around for a few more minutes. jen, thank you. katy, i'm sure you're hanging out as well. appreciate that. a quick break. coming up, how abortion rights are reshaping american politics including the results now of some ballot initiatives you may not have been paying attention to that is telling us a lot about the state of play in this country. we'll be right back. country. we'll be right back. a kohler home generator never misses a beat. it automatically powers your entire home in seconds. and keeps your family connected. with a heavy duty commercial grade engine and no refueling, even when the power goes out, life rocks on. right now get a free 10-year extended warranty and up to $750 off. vicks vapostick.

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just like that, a clean sweep for abortion rights advocates in the midterms. in montana, voters rejekked a ballot initiative that would have levied heavy fines and possible jail time for abortion providers. it was one of five states where abortion access was on the ballot on tuesday. the most in a single year since the 1970s. sing roe v. wade was decided.

with us now is yamice alcindor. you have been covering so much of this across the country. talk to us about how big of a decision maker the dobbs decision was for voters. >> well, katy, hallie, it was a huge decision. we saw nationally that abortion was one of the most important issues that voters were thinking about when they went to the ballot box, only second to inflation. but in michigan, which is one of the states that enshrined abortion rights into their state constitution, it was literally the number one issue, and inflation was second. and what we saw was a clean sweep as you said, state after state, taking votes that were in favor of people who are pro abortion rights in this country. and even in not just blue states, even in red states like kentucky, saying that they don't want to have a ban in their constitution against abortion. in california and michigan and vermont, they were enshrining abortion rights into their state constitutions. so this was a huge thing. and the closing message for some of the democrats was linking the abortion and the economy and

listen to what michigan governor gretchen whitmer told me yesterday when i spoke to her one-on-one. >> you decided in your closing message to voters to link it to abortion and the economy and can you talk to me about the decision. >> and i got questions is it the economy or the abortion and making your decisions about your health and your fute has huge economic consequences and we don't view them as isolate and this is building michigan where persons have a chance to make their own decisions and a path to prosperity. >> and michigan democrats had a great night. not only did they hold on to the governor's mansion, it is the first time in more than four decades that the democrats are also going to control the michigan legislature. it means both house and senate wins as well. >> they keep saying, the key thing here, is this idea that states are making these decisions, you look at those

five ballot initiatives that katy laid out at the top of the discussion, all five in not restricting abortion access, including kentucky and montana and we know from a federal level, if this is in the house, in republican hands as it looks like it will be in this direction, it is going to be up to the states to decide it. we've seen energy in key states like pennsylvania, where exit polls are showing that that was a bigger issue for voters there than inflation, and not by much, right? 28 to 37%. but i wonder what you're hearing from abortion rights advocates and anti-abortion advocates about this. and about the idea of energy on the state level. >> so what i'm hearing from people who are pro-abortion rights is that it turns out taking away a right from millions of women, that it really matters to them, whether you're a republican or a democrat. what we saw were people who were focused on this issue, and governor whitmer told me in particular, this shows that americans don't want to go backwards or go back to the 1970s. for people who are pro-abortion rights, what i'm hearing is they're ready for this fight and

really it is part of the horizon is looking at possibly a federal ban and we saw lindsey graham introducing something that would federally ban abortions at 15 weeks and that's something that could happen if of course there is a republican president and republican controlled house and senate, and i will say that when i ask gretchen whitmer about that idea, saying okay, it is nur state constitution but what if the federal ban comes along, she says we're ready to fight this tooth and nail and hopefully there will be a national codifying of roe v. wade which is what president biden says he wants to do. >> any sense of enthusiasm and movement among voters now that a lot of these states have codified their protections for abortion, does that dissipate? does that go away for the next election cycle? is it too early to even say that? >> it's a great question. what i'm sensing, when i was on the ground and what i'm sensing in talking to advocates on both sides of this issue, is that people now are motivated, those voter lists, they're sort of activated and you think about a state like michigan which i just came back from, that state saw a

record number of people turn out for the midterm election, millions and millions people about. 4 million people turn out in 2018, so democrats especially, because they're the ones who the biggest win with the clean sweep, they're hoping to keep those people motivate and thinking about elections and their rights because it is not just about abortion rights there is lbgtq rights and education rights and they're hoping to keep that updated. but there is an idea maybe on the republican side people is will say i don't like there are facts that are trying this and maybe they will be motivated to push back. >> thank you very much. any moment now, in about 10 minutes from now, we expect an update from clark county election officials in nevada. the key races there, nbc news projecting still too early to call with this ballot counting continuing. we are looking at that right here, with the 2022 midterms only on msnbc. we'll see you in a second. ond. by treating my skin and joints. along with significantly clearer skin, skyrizi helps me move

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with the clerk telling nbc news in a statement quote, we have heard the former president's claim. it is not true. i'm not fully quoting. i'm paraphrasing. he is obviously still misinformed about the law and our election processes that ensure the integrity of elections in clark county. and we have john with us now, we consider you a team member here because of your knowledge of nevada. let's talk about this piece of it and what we expect to hear from clark county. this piece being obviously the former president, this claim that he's made about evidence that there is something nefarious happening here, despite the fact we know it is going to be a slow count. >> there is absolutely no evidence of course of any of that. and his connection to adam laxalt who is running against catherine cortez masto cannot be forgotten here. laxalt fronted for all of the same nonsense in 2020 after the election, making all kinds of unsupported claims, signing on to lawsuits that were then

thrown out. so i don't think laxalt has said anything like this yet. but the fact that the former president would say this, knowing, by the way, as you all know, that he's hemorrhaging here, laxalt's lead is slowly, slowly being taken away by the mail ballots that everybody knew, including laxalt, would be read until saturday and there is no coincidence there. trump and laxalt are afraid of what's going on. as for the press conference, i think we are all going to be very disappointed again as we are constantly, this time of the year, with what joe is going to say, i don't think he will give us a lot of results, he will probably answer more questions about the process, and i'm told that we won't see any updates in clark county until late afternoon, early evening. >> so we've got some numbers yesterday and those numbers are what we ended up fighting out about in terms of how they broke a little bit later when we got

that dump from the clark county registrar. i assume it is going to happen today, as you said. i'm wondering, do we have any idea though how many ballots are still outstanding, with the caveat of course, that you are still in nevada, waiting for a few more ballots, which can get in, as late as saturday, if they're postmarked by election day. >> that's correct. so again, here's what we know. we know there are more than 100,000, about 110,000 ballots that are outstanding, both in washoe county which is reno and clark county which is las vegas. and we know that the democrats have been doing overwhelmingly well in the early counts there. there were also several thousand ballots outstanding in rural nevada. now they will not come close to the number in urban nevada but they will add a few thousand to adax laxalt's toting and that could end up being -- total and that could end up being significant later on. if the ballots continue to break

the way they have, with 60, 65% going to catherine cortez masto, then she is going to be able to overtake adam laxalt. we just won't know that until we see the actual results. >> john, thank you, appreciate it. as we talk about the fallout from the midterm results that we know so far, you've got democrats with a bit of a reality check on their outreach to latino voters after mixed results in some battleground states. i want to bring in now from mcallen texas, hold of field report, on peacock, msnbc contributor, a former deply director for hispanic media for hillary clinton and as our friends jose diaz says there is no such thing as the latino vote, only latino voters and can you talk to us about the landscape today in texas where you are? >> absolutely. so in this specific district, republicans had a really good night a trump-endorsed,

republican latino won, that is the story. and that doesn't paint the entire picture. i think the whole story of south texas can be really seen through the rise and the fall of someone like a republican candidate, down over in texas district 34, which is an hour away from where i am, she won the county, she was the first republican to win that county in over 100 years, her rise was an indication of what happens when the democrats don't invest in the voters and take the vote for granted and this is a way of looking at when they do invest, and when they do care, and they poured in money and ended up getting good results and won by 8 points. i think there is another story in the back grounds here. if you start looking at the numbers, you see that democrats won district 34 about 8 points and two years ago it was 13 points and four years ago it was 20 points and six years ago, it was around 25 points. so you get the picture there.

but i think it comes down to this, right? maya flores really sparked in genuine curiosity i think of a section of latino voters. she pushed some of them to try to entertain the idea of going republican but i think when they sat there and pondered the question about what have republicans done for us, they couldn't do it, right? so that's why you had the results that ended up happening. >> so when you are looking forward to how texas breaks, what sort of campaign has resonated with latino voters that democrats or republicans can try to hone in on? >> there's a lot of, you know, there's a lot of lessons here. the number one is if you're a democrat, and you know that, if you put mujz money, you can beat someone like maya flores, and going to florida, if you invest in good candidate, diverse

candidates, young candidates, you can win in the midst of governor desantis's red tsunami. and it also tells you something that people learn in south texas, which is don't shy away from the issue of abortion, right? there was this whole notion that, you know, abortion was seen as a taboo issue. but it worked. right? that's why maya flores was off. she was really betting on this idea that her anti-choice, anti-abortion message would resonate and at the end of the day, it didn't. what really ended up working at a national level was a message of democracy. so many latino voters come from immigrant families that are really fleeing from what republicans presented, the political violence, the normalized conspiracy theories, latinos knew that. >> paola ramos, thank you very much. >> and news about donald trump, with the november 15th announcement, we were talking about that, and jason miller said that maybe he was advising limb to move it back until after thanksgiving. or after the georgia runoff.

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all right, so what's going to happen on november 15th, is donald trump the former president going to come out and announce that he is running for president again, hallie? there's talk about this. some advisers were saying to you and others privately that hey, listen, it's not a great idea. >> on tv. >> right. >> television. on fox news, saying he was advising him to wait until after georgia, because shh, donald trump doesn't help the election, and they're worried about what might happen in georgia. they need control of the senate back. and that race might decide it. so we're also hearing now from mark caputo that another senior adviser told him that the trump announcement is still on and the corporate elites and the establishment have moved against donald trump at their own peril. sounds very trump-ian. joining us now on set is doug, former communications director for the rnc and republican

strategist. also with us meredith mcgraw, national political correspondent for "politico." and back on set with jennifer palmieri. i've been dying to talk to you about this, doug. haven't spoken since the election results. donald trump was called in the new york post likened to a can of raid. he is toxic for the republican party. john said this. is he toxic? >> he's toxic to the broader public who is voting. and in the trump base, in the republican party base, there's still loyalty to him. but if you talk to members of congress, if you talk to senators, privately, and more and more publicly, they're more honest about what their feelings have been, and part of this is because if you're mitch mcconnell and you've warned about quality candidates not just in this cycle but in 2010, 2012, some of this pre-dates trump, you've seen, we've lost again, we lost the united states senate, two years ago, in part because of donald trump playing a malicious role in georgia, so the old frank sinatra song, i've

heard that song before, we've heard this song with georgia and that's why republican are fearful what he may say next week. >> let me go to you, because to get to the reporting that katy has referenced and mark caputo is talking about, and you heard the invites to the event, where he will announce his presidency are expected to go out allegedly, speculatively, are expected to gout go out today and despite efforts by people close to the former president. describe those efforts and describe what your reporting is, what you're hearing from sources on why they have apparently failed. >> yes, the former president is going to make an announcement next tuesday at mar-a-lago. invites are expected to go out. and i was told that trump himself, there were no doubts by him that he was going to make this announcement and follow through with the tuesday date that he set. but there were real concerns by people around him about what

that could potentially mean for the georgia runoff and what that could mean for herschel walker, and the calculation is sort of that trump is going to get blamed no matter what happens, and best case scenario, trump announces and herschel walker wins, but for now, trump is going to go ahead and make that announcement, and there's some real frustration and anger with sort of the blame game that's been going on against trump following the midterm elections, and trump has been on truth social all day, making the case that he's being unfairly accused here. >> what's it going to take for the republican party to move past this? is this a sense, a matter of just continuing to see losses, bigger losses than perhaps we saw this week? is there going to come a breaking point when the, not just individuals, within the republican party, or, you know,

former members of the republican party saying this publicly, is there going to come a point where this is the entire republican party in unison saying that we're going to reject him and this style of politics? >> we'll never get to the point where it is 100% of the republican party. >> majority. >> if we're getting to 51% i would be pretty happy and that sends a pretty strong statement. in january 6th time frame, we saw republicans speaking up against him, on capitol hill, speaker majority, things like that. and a lot of that has been walked back but donald trump has changed the party and we all know that, it is that within the chambers of the house and the senate, and even members of the republican national committee, they see a party that has changed not just with bad candidates, but with bad candidates everywhere, top to bottom, who are trying to emulate donald trump. we have a my pillow-ization of the republican party and it is why as you see some of these

candidates mitch mcconnell, kevin mccarthy, a lot of republicans who are funding these campaigns are also privately saying, you know, in horror, what have we created here? >> and again, there is that public private dichotomy we have been hearing about for something like six years. meredith, you have been talking about the pushback on the blame game piece of it. we've seen for example newly elected, projected governor chris sununu saying crazy, voters didn't vote on policy, they voted on no crazy, essentially and i'm paraphrasing, pointing the finger squarely at donald trump. describe what the pushback is. because so far, publicly for mr. trump, it is largely look at the scoreboard. but also, the scoreboard, they are places where donald trump endorsed candidates in red districts, all but assured to win, and in the key battleground states where the trump factor would have needed to make a dirch difference for republicans, he came up short. >> and a great example of that is in pennsylvania, where trump

support for doug mastriano was seen as potentially a big drag on dr. oz and dr. oz himself from the get-go was seen by a lot of people as not the perfect candidate for -- >> mccormick, ten times in the last two days here, meredith. >> right. next week is the rga, the republican governors association is going to be meeting, and i can imagine that there is going to be a lot of discussion there about sort of the role of donald trump in the party, and sort of how much he should feature into the republican future here. but i think, you know, what you said, for a lot of trump's picks, and in this past election, it was about people who were loyal to him, people who didn't cross him, i have

spoken with some republicans who were really frustrated that some winnable races were lost by republicans because they were, the incumbent was pushed out by trump in the primaries. and so i think we're going to continue to hear a lot of frustrations from republicans who say the numbers really should have been a lot better and they could have been a lot better had we had different candidates. >> that's what "the wall street journal" is saying, i mean inflation was as high, which is as high as it is, it was supposed to be, for the party not in power, it is supposed to be a landslide, given the fundamentals, given it is the republican, out of power, that wins in the midterm and it should have been an especially potent time, and it was not. jen, "the wall street journal" was also saying that, in the op-ed that the party should dump donald trump and their argument was what are democrats going to do without donald trump? that democrats have the strength that they do because they can run against donald trump and he had can run everybody, everybody

in the republican party, against him. does the democratic party still want to see -- how do they feel about going up against somebody like a ron desantis? would you rather be going up against donald trump in 2024, having him still loom large over the gop? >> i mean what i know is worrisome for democrats is going up against a more strategic version of donald trump. and so, you know, doug will know more about this, and as i have some questions for doug, if i could have some questions for doug. >> go ahead. >> desantis is more strategic, a more strategic version of trump, and if he were abiding by democracy, if he will abide by elections and recognize them, you know, i think that that remains the greatest fear of democrats. it's well beyond politics and it is a relief with secretaries of

state that will abide by elections and relieve, and we'll have governors that do that. so i think we would like to get, you know, like to get rid of him if you, if you know that he can, you know, we don't control this but having a republican presidential nominee who, we don't have to worry will not abide by the results of the election, it is going to be a big relief. and i'm not sure i trust what has happened in the republican party right now, with the journal coming out and kayleigh mcenany saying things on fox news that is not helpful to trump and will this stand, or will the fact remain that he controls the base? and i once went to a trump rally in daten of that was a sad sack version of a trump rally but on monday night, there were 10,000 people there and the guy still

draws a crowd. >> thank you very much. we will pause. we're going to take a bit of a palate-cleansing moment here. candidly, we were trying to sneak in a break before we get into the next story for transition parties but we want to talk about it, tom costello, the challenger, the 1986 space shuttle disaster, and nasa is now confirming a piece of wreckage found from the challenger, it has been found in the ocean. this is from the history channel. look at this video. divers from the history channel, covering this 20-foot chunk of the challenger in waters off the coast of florida. nasa is saying it is the first major discovery of wreckage from the disaster in 25 years. >> what are you guys doing? >> it is an amazing piece of video from the divers at the history channel. what you are looking at is the divers who discovered this piece of debris, they were looking for world war ii plane wreckage off the coast of florida and the

heck is this, and started looking at the tiles and said oh, my god, this is a piece of the challenger, and a big piece of the challenger and they think it is the belly of the plane, or underneath the wings itself, you know the heat tiles underneath the wings of the space shuttle, challenger was lost on a very cold day in january, 1986, seven astronauts died, you mentioned of course, christa mcauliffe, the schoolteacher on board, and nasa has notified the families that the piece of wreckage has been discovered, and they now have to go through the process of deciding, should they pull it up or is it part of an underwater grave? they have already, years ago, recovered, they believe the remains of the challenger crew, and they are interred at local cemeteries and also of course at arlington national cemetery, but this is the biggest chunk of the challenger that they have discovered in 25 years, rusting on the floor off the coast of florida -- resting on the floor

off the coast of florida, and really haunting video and very poignant video. and i talked to the lead diver about this, and he said we just never, ever expected we would come across a piece of challenger and it stopped everybody in their tracks, as it were, as they took in this moment, and realized what they were dealing with, and immediately contacted nasa. >> tom costello, thank you very much. good to see you. appreciate it. let's get you back into politics here. because clark county nevada, we have been waiting to hear from elections officials there on an update on the vote count, right, this is one of the states that is outstanding, we obviously do not know how that senate race is going to be called at this moment. we want to listen in to what the update. is let's take you there now. i think we have it, for clark county. >> the ballots that were put in the united states parcel service, and postmarked by november 8th, we have to receive those up until saturday.

on monday, the 14th, that will be our deadline for those voters who have been sent to be cured, because in our validation process, we were unable to match their signature to the signatures that we have on file. we have to wait for that deadline. so they'll have until the end of the day monday 5:00 p.m. in other words to cure those ballots. and then finally, we have provisional ballots that we cannot process until we've sent all of the information up to the secretary of state who then compiles a report with all 17 counties so we can identify any duplicates or somebody who has illegally voted in more than one county, which is something that we certainly want to prevent to uphold the integrity of our process. my staff has been working very diligently. we've been here from early in the morning until late at night. we've been fully staffed. we're working as hard as we possibly can in order to get the ballots counted. but whether we like it or not, there's no way that we can move

any faster than we're currently moving. talk a little bit about today's numbers. last night, we reported 14,092 additional ballots that were read in, and we reported on our website the new totals. we still have over 50,000 ballots that need to be counted. those are in various stages in the process of validation, before they go to the counting board and finally ultimately they get to tabulation, where we're able to read them into the system. we will continue to work through the weekend. tomorrow is not a holiday for this office. we will be open. we will be processingballs as well as on saturday. sunday, if we still have work to do, we will be in here to continue that work. so there's no weekend for the clark county election department. we'll continue to process. the majority of the mail should be counted in clark county by

saturday. barring any issues with equipment. with the exception of the cure ballots, which i've already mentioned to you, the deadline will be monday, and the provisional ballots that we must receive a report from the secretary of state that's compiled with all 17 counties so that we can prevent anything from illegal happening. today, we received 626 ballots through the mail. which is the only way that we can receive ballots anymore. so that number will continue to go down through saturday. the cure process is ongoing. we have 7,155 ballots that have not been cured, voters in clark county, please keep in mind that we have staff that is manning the hot line, and you are able to call 702-455-6552, in order to get assistance, we'll be open today and tomorrow, on that hot line, from 7:30 to 5:30. and on saturday and sunday, we'll be open from 8:00 a.m. to 5 p.m., on that hot line, and on

monday, from 7:30 to 5:00, at which time we have to end the cure process, as required by the statutory deadline. those provisional ballots that i mentioned, the number will not change. the 55, 55 but we're in the process of validating those ballots that were cast to make sure that we're identifying the ones that are eligible to be counted, which won't happen until wednesday perhaps of next week. and with that, i'll open it up to any questions. >> yesterday, you were talking about the ballots that arrived in the mail yesterday. and 56,900 drop boxes on election day. so that totals 69,000 and you're saying there 50,000 -- >> there is no discrepancy. you communicated just the way i

did. the mail process. >> is happening. >> that we're either at the manual signature check and there could be a training inspection, they could be with the county board, before they finally make it to tabulation. so there are a little over 50,000 ballots currently that still need to be counted so that we can report them as tallied. >> would you go over that again. those 50,000, are those mail-in ballots, or are those including the drop box ballots because we're trying to figure out where those additional 12,000 were, and you said 14,000 got into the system, and yesterday, that came in through the mail on monday and then a 12,000 from yesterday's mail. have those come in to the system? and then there's the 56.9 thousand from the drop box. so we're trying to figure out where they are. so these 50,000, are they mail-inball s? >> they're all mail-in.

they have been delivered through the u.s. postal service but they're all considered mail. they may have been in the drop box or they may have been delivered by the united states postal service. but of all of the ballots that we received, whether it was the u.s. postal pickup yesterday, or the mail ballot drop box that we pulled from all all of the boxes from election day, we currently have public 50,000 ballots that still need to be counted. >> and you said 12,000, you started to saying 14,000 -- >> so here's what i can surmise that he said so far and hallie help me if i missed something here. 14,092 ballots were counted last night. they still have about 55,000 mail-inballs and guad venegas was trying to get the definition of mail-inballs from joe gloria there, still to be counted and it seemed to be drop box and

mail-in. and there are no more drop boxes that is over. and some more mail-in saturday. and 626 mail-in ballots today. and he said the majority of the ballots that they get should be counted by saturday. by saturday. and that is not counting the ones that need to be cured. match signatures, et cetera. and 7,155 of those still remain. we have john raleston here. so john, did i get that right? was that what he was saying? >> did you add that up on your calculator, too, katy? you know exactly how many ballots are left now? listen, joe gloria does not communicate in the most obvious way during these press conferences, so i'll go back, i'll go back to what i have been saying, based on what we know is there. and that is that, and you can't just go with clark county, although the majority are there,

there are six figures, 100,000, 110,000 mailboxes to be read that are not yet on the scoreboard, if you will. and so it's going to be a long process. you heard him say they won't have final numbers until saturday. and don't forget, after saturday, they still got those 5,555 provisional ballots, and all of these mail ballots that need to be cured. and for people who don't know what that means, it means you can have a problem with your mail ballot, it's posted somewhere, you go in and fix it, and then they count it then. so if this, if some of these key races are still close after all of counting is done saturday, katy, it at this time still might go longer. >> just to try to add these numbers up, are there enough numbers here to change the outcome? i mean he's talking about 55,000 and when you're looking at the spread between laxalt and catherine cortez masto, if you put it back up on the screen, i thought i saw, it was something

around, i don't know, i don't want to guess, what was it? 60,000? 16,000. sorry. this is what i wanted clarity on. 16,000. so there are enough. >> well, it depends what the margin is, right? currently it is around 60, 65%. and that would be quite enough, probably, to close the gap. and we also have ballots coming in from rural nevada that are going to add to laxalt's lead. so we just don't know yet. and again, he said 626ball626 b have come in today through the mail and those need to be counted and through today and saturday that would come in and i would guess no more than a few thousand all together max. there so are there enough ballots out there for catherine cortez masto to catch up to adam laxalt, absolutely there are based on the margins that we know about, but we're not going

to know for sure if those margins are maintained until we see them go up on the clark county election department website. >> of course, there was one point, i think, that, to your point, john ralston where the communication was crystal clear and like it or not there is no way that we can move any faster than we are currently moving. a very clear message that this is a process. they are following it. and that is how this goes. whether you like it or not. even if you want it to be quicker or not. nothing nefarious here was his message. we are so grateful to all of you, john, all of you, in various places and on the set. we are flipping over to the next hour and no break. so katy tur is in new york and i'm hallie jackson in wash