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election news this morning. nbc news decision desk has projected a democratic senator, mark kelly of arizona, has won his reelection bid, holding off republican blake masters. that puts democrats just one seat away from control of the senate, with two races yet to be decided. nevada, is still counting votes, and georgia's race will go to a runoff in december. control of the house is still up for grabs, with 22 races yet to be cold. the nbc news decision does is projecting republicans will have five more seats in democrats, and that is within the margin of error of seven states. more overnight developments in arizona. the latest batch of ballots released added to democratic katie hobbs's lead, but republican kari lake is still within striking distance. after that last ballot dump in arizona, nbc news can also project that the democratic candidate for secretary of state, adrian fontes, will win

his race to feeling trump endorsed election denier, mark finchem. overnight, donald trump won on quite a tirade onto his socials, saying arizona needs to redo the election and making wild claims about voter fraud. once again, no evidence. zero evidence for any of his claims. so now, all eyes are on the nevada senate race. still too close to call, with democrat katherine cortez masto, now less than 1000 votes behind republican adam laxalt. if the dems do win the seat, they'd win the majority before even having to go to that jonah runoff. we've got these newest developments covered from all angles this morning. let's start with msnbc's vaughn hillyard, covering arizona. vaughn? >> good morning katie. this is a major win here for democrats nationally. republicans all this as a major pick up opportunity.

they thought that the issues, the national issues were on their side, from the inflation to the number of migrants who have been crossing the border. republican challenger blake masters, focusing heavily on the economy and on immigration. they thought this was going to be one of those pick up opportunities in the request to retake the control of the u.s. senate. but, what you saw was mark kelly, someone who has voted with the biden administration, a man -- who has been a consistent ally over the national democratic party, pull out a win here in the state of arizona. he will be certainly having a full six year term. just look at the statement which he writes, from day one this campaign has been about many arizonans, democrats, and republicans who have been working together to tackle the significant challenges we face. that's exactly what i've done in my first two years in office, and what i will continue to do for as long as i'm here. mark kelly will be holding a campaign rally of sorts here this morning in phoenix. there's also the governor's race that is being weighed on

here at this time. this is a heated and contested one, that understandably has gained much attention because of one particular character, that being republican, kari lake. perhaps donald trump's closest ally on the campaign trial in 2022, the key election denier here who would be in charge of certifying arizona's presidential result in 2020. for last, night democratic katie hobbs extended her lead. this was not necessarily expect back did among this batch of ballots here. you're still looking at a little more than 300,000 ballots that should be processed here. right now, democrats feel like they're in a good place. you will not find out more votes until later here on this saturday night. but for now, democrats are looking at a lead in the governor's race. this is also at a time in which there's one other race we have to note, and that was republican mark finchem. he lost to agents on house, the

democrat secretary of state. finchem, another election denier, for democrats here this is not a third election cycle in which they have had major winds. and suddenly the comes asian about this being a purple state is a much more serious, one katie. >> thanks to ivan hill liard in arizona. now we're gonna turn to nevada, the state that could give democrats control of the united states senate. after last night's -- democratic is now less than 1000 votes. it will likely get more votes in today. for a closer look at nevada, let's bring msnbc, gary grumbach who is live in las vegas. good morning gary. what are we expecting to see in nevada in the next 24 hours? oh >> yeah, good morning katie. the tabulating ballots don't have any curing issues. that they have to get done today, that's actually states that. it does dive into some of the numbers we saw come in last night as they are reaching this

deadline. in clark county, ballots are at about 27,000 ballots that had gotten dumped last night. cortez masto picked about 17,000 of them. that and walks up picked up about 9000. that means there's only about 23,000 ballots left to count here in clark county. those are usps mailed in ballots, and balance that were dropped off in drop boxes on election day. so that's the clark county situation. up in washoe county where reno, is they ballad dropped about 11,000 jobs votes. there was favored quotas masto, but not as significantly as we have seen in other places across the state like here in clark county. these ballot jobs have been really favoring cortez masto about 60%, to 40% for adam laxalt, which should put her in the league if that continues to see the trend that we are seeing. there has been some complaints, however, from folks all over the country on why this process isn't moving faster. here's what joe gloria, the

regional voters said yesterday in a press conference. >> we're not purposely holding this process back. we're doing everything to get the ballots for just as quickly as we can. but the statutory deadlines that we have in place, i can't do -- finish all the mail until it all comes in. that's a very small number, but still, i can't finish until saturday even if i wanted to. >> so, we've got a little bit of a rhythm going here in clark county. and they had a midday press conference when they had announced how many ballots are going to drop, and later in the afternoon they actually dropped those ballots. we expect the same thing to happen today, katie. >> all right, thanks to gary grow back for the ladies in las vegas. now we're going to turn to washington d.c., where republicans are being forced to reckon with the fallout from this week's election results that did not result in that big red wave that many had predicted. senate minority leader mitch mcconnell, facing a big

challenge to his position as the top republican in the senate, and in the house, minority leader ken mccarthy is facing potential opposition to his leadership from the most fringe members in his caucus. for more on all of this, we turn to nbc news correspondent, ali raffa, on capitol hill. ali? >> katie, good morning. with republicans growing more and more frustrated by their nearing window at a majority, we're starting to see republican members in both the house, and the, senate challenge their own leaders. just yesterday, we saw a six gop senators, including senators marco rubio, rick scott, josh hawley, ted cruz, issued this letter really suggesting to delay the senate leadership elections that senate minority leader, mitch mcconnell, was expected to easily be elected to. some are suggesting that these elections be delayed until after the december six georgia runoff. saying that member should know whether they have the majority,

all members should be present before the election takes place. this is definitely the most significantly challenge to mcconnell's position. but as of now, no republican senator has outwardly come out as a competitor to mcconnell in these elections are still slated to take place behind coals doors. it's not just mcconnell facing backlash from his own party, we're going to see on the house side growing doubts as to which kevin mccarthy could to take the role as house speaker. we're starting to take see doubts from the house freedom caucus saying -- making a list of demands to earn their support. these are the same members that cost him his speakership, back in 2015. mccarthy knows that if the republicans are to win back the house majority, it'll be by a very slim margin. he will have to cater to the moderate members of his party, as well as members of the far-right freedom caucus. right now, they are slamming

him, matt gates specifically a florida, calling him a failure in a tweet yesterday. but mccarthy knows if he wants a speakership position, he knows that he meets members of the house freedom caucus, to get him passed a 218 threshold to be able to come house speaker. even with so many racist owen called on the house side, we're starting to see invited within the republican party. it's really just beginning here on capitol hill, katie. >> allie raffa, thank you for that live reporting. breaking overseas, president joe biden edges south asian leaders in cambodia earlier today, making him the first united states president to attend the association of southeast asian associations since 2017. he made a commitment to strengthen u.s. relations with indo-pacific countries. >> asean is the heart of my administration in the specific strategy. we continue to --

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we may know who controls the united states senate for the next two years. after last night's call in arizona, all eyes are on nevada, where we're expecting to get updated numbers at some point during the day today. republicans we need to win both nevada, and the runoff in georgia to get a senate majority. democrats, need just one of those two seats with the vice presidents tie breaking vote to have that majority. so imagine, just for a second, you're one of the people in charge of counting these final votes that we have a major impact on this country for the next two years. then imagine, while you're doing that vital work, donald trump boots us his truth social account to say that the system we are part of, is corrupt.

i mean, that's what trump said about clark county nevada. here's how the county registrar of voters responded to those claims. >> obviously he's misinformed, two years later, about the law and our election processes. they ensure the integrity of elections in clark county and the state. >> after several outlets, including nbc news, called the democratic race for democratic mark kelly. trump threw a tantrum calling for more corruption, even calling for a new election in arizona. to be clear, trump has zero evidence to back up any of the things he saying about election fraud. there is a lot to talk about, and i've got the perfect power political panel to do this morning. shermichael senate and political consultant, former republican, and a contributor to the boston globe. also joining us is juanita tolliver, she's a host of crooked media medias, what day

podcast, and an msnbc political analyst. good morning to the both of you. juanita i want to start with you. the house still up for grabs as you know. -- making some argument that it's actually better if mike publicans get a slim majority in the house if the dems keep the senate, because then democrats can highlight the chaos of the republican majority in the house. juanita, are you buying that argument? >> [laughter] i'm not into it right. but i do understand he's trying to say that democrats can appoint to -- the obstructions getting their. but what also comes with their deacon republican controlled house, would be false impeachment claims and allegations, and investigations that will also be ridiculous -- to democrats and additional attacks on our basic rights like abortion care. i don't think that's an even trade-off by any means, but i'm kind of understand politically, and strategically what matthew

dowd is trying to get it. but let's be real, it's not called yet, we still don't know who controls the house, we still don't know who controls the senate. but on the senate side, democrats have a positive with mark kelly winning the senate race, and i also think cortez masto is in a strong position with the remaining votes that have yet to be counted. >> i mean, for michael, let's talk about the red vaguely pink trickle drip drop that happen. nbc news reports at least seven republican senators, they want to postpone next week's leadership elections because of the parties really poor performance in the midterms. i mean, you obviously, have plenty of experience with the party. do you think we are about to see a real changing of the guard, or is this all sound -- to find nothing? >> i don't know. i think it may potentially be signifying nothing. i know these folks, some of them want mitch mcconnell, replace at least i don't think at this point that it's enough senators to put in jeopardy

mcconnell being elected as the minority leader. looking at the nevada votes. i wouldn't even argue that the democrats have a pretty decent chance of winning georgia. i was just in georgia, spoke with the town voters, they're one of the things that i found that none of the data that i saw that really highlighted was that so many of these split voters -- those who voted for brian kemp because he liked him, because of his economics, he was a trump guy, but voted for raphael warnock. those voters are not going to disappear next month in december, and so if your republican party, and i've had several calls with individuals who are still in the party and leadership, and my point was guys, this needs to be a reflection point. the elephant in the room than we want to talk about today is donald trump. we chose poor, crappy, candidates. trump is maybe good as a primary process, but it turns off a significant amount of voters that republicans would have needed to perform well. they should've performed far

better than what they did. look at biden's approval, look at the economy, look at all these metrics that typically, as a -- looks oh my god we're gonna win this thing, we're gonna talk about of the park! they don't even get close to knocking out of the park! >> juanita, let's talk about the poison film that perhaps is donald trump. a lot of his allies turning against him publicly, and last, night the new york post public a pair of new op-eds with the headlines at the gop and the country can do better than trump, parentheses, or biden in 2024. and, midterms make it clear that trump cares only about himself at republicans expense. today's addition of the wall street journal includes a collection of reader letters under the headline, voters are ready to move on from donald trump. one of those letters reads, to paraphrase nicholas von hoffman's comment about richard nixon during the watergate hearings, mr. trump is like a dead mouse on the kitchen floor of the republican party. everybody wants him out, but

nobody wants to pick him up. so, juanita, we've seen the show before but these people come back around for more abuse from donald trump. will this time be any different? >> absolutely not! nobody wants to pick up the dead right, and i feel with that tone and that frame and that reality, the probably gonna stick with him because they think he serves as best. they're still clinging to this notion that he has control over a large portion of gop voters, and the reality is sure, that might be true, but what he does, and who he puts up and the liars and conspiracy theories that he runs, do not make it past the primary, right? when that primary fails fantastically in general elections. the democratic strategist are like, sure keep doing it. the other reality is what is your alternative if they get rid of trump. if they finally decide to follow through on the, after

some poor elections, and now they want to get rid of them, who also the input up? i feel like it'll be years of republicans and disarray headlines that come if that's what happens. they have fracture themselves after they've contorted themselves for years trying to build and to the will trump. now they don't have anything of substance left. >> shermichael, last question to you, and it's perfectly going off of what we just heard from juanita. -- saying trump will, not may, will announce his 2024 presidential run this coming tuesday. your prediction on a future trump, desantis, showdown. >> yeah, no. he's going to run this for a fact. it will be next week to hear announce. look, we have to have someone who challenged president trump. -- a lot of friends a lot of former colleagues who really like, i'm who still work for him on the political side. but this idea that this gentleman can run, in a primary uncontested, is an absurdity to me.

no one cares about the election being stolen, that crop is over where, you've been an adviser for a president for a long time. people want to talk about what is the republican -- was the republican plan for education. what is the republican plan to deal with. crime across the country, what's going on with russia and ukraine, what is the republican and conservative agenda for each of those things? okay we're different. okay great, everybody hold. that but what are you gonna do to fix it? when you think about those things, i don't know if i have heard that from trump, i don't know if i have heard that from any of his supporters or candidates he's indoors, and it is why, katy, republicans did not do well. again, every metric, the last major midterm that was a proud are, of in 2014 midterms, the republicans were as successful as they have ever been in nine years. we should have gotten just as close as we did in 2014. we did not. as a strategist, i'm looking at all the variables. as i'm talking to my friends who are still a part of this process, i'm telling them, geysers only one thing that i can point to about why we

didn't do well, it's donald trump! doug, point to the elephant in the room and say we have to clean this man up. people want to get opportunities to get -- healthy parties going over policy issues. you can't do that if you're saying, oh the election was stolen, january 6th and really happen, come on now, let's get serious here katie, and focus on the issues that the american people care about. we can do that from a conservative's position, if the party is healthy? >> my plan is let him all run, and let themself cannibalize as far as i'm concerned. my power political, sure michael singleton, and juanita, we have to have you guys back thank you for being. here and coming up, it was supposed to be an easy reelection win for more on burger, but now the trump loyalists -- will talk to democrat adam frasch, who has the republican

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162,000. those numbers are not final. but that's about 50,000 people who decided not to vote for lauren boebert again in the midterm after they actually saw her in congress for two years. you may remember boebert from some of her greatest hits. including, but not limited, to trying to bring a gun into the united states capitol. spreading qanon's conspiracy theories and saying the church is supposed to direct our government. it's safe to say, no one saw this close of a race coming, maybe except for one person, her opponent adam fresh. so joining me now live, is democrat adam fresh. adam, it's always so good to see you. listen, yesterday you are on the holly jackson show in the afternoon. the numbers were the same as they are now, and you said you saw a path to victory based on your campaign hearing that there might still be 5 to 6000 votes up there that are up for

grabs. what we heard since yesterday afternoon to learn what's going on? >> good morning, rain early, good to see you again. thanks. with all due respect your decision dak, most people agree on here, the press, the bipartisan conversation is there's somewhere between 3000, guaranteed in a couple thousand more. there's some 2500 ballots to be cured, as you know are technically fix. there's a good chunk of overseas ballots that are both civilian, and military. we talk to them, with some of the veterans. then there's also 20 or 40 ballots or so -- we have 27 counties out, here we are have the state of colorado. this district is larger than the state of mississippi. so, the 27 county parks are going working really really hard. i'm hoping that it's the right result hopefully for us. i'm heard being my opponent will honor whatever get certified. we appreciate that there were votes in some people that are looking that that were on there, that's kind of agreed upon,

again, and here in colorado boots on the ground. but, again we have the moral win. trump won these 27 counties by over 15 points, and we are neck and neck. the moral win is fabulous, works great, we're getting a lot of accolades, we're getting a lot of financial support which is great. but we truly really want the win win. that has been the plan, and the path of, victory over a year ago i looked at these numbers. >> so adam, let's talk about why your neck and neck with lauren boebert right now. what have the voters been telling you? i remember when you when i last spoke, the phrase you used was boebert quote, anger attainment a national circus. had voters told you, especially speaking through their vote at the ballot box, we are done with. that coloradans really want to see real work, and real progress out in d.c. from the people that we elected to office. >> yeah exactly true. i looked at this year go, and you look at all these extremists, we don't even go through their names everyone knows them on the viewership. they'll had 65 to 75% winds.

marjorie taylor greene at the top of that range. lauren boebert only won 51% of the vote in 2020, she's not won her own county. my view was that a lot of people don't have around one another option. this was a referendum election, a lot of people were frustrated with her, there's no doubt about. it donald trump delivered tax cuts and regulation tops and three supreme court justices. so you saw mitch mcconnell put half his time putting his head down on the senate floor saying, i know you've gotten crazy but look what he's delivered. but she hasn't delivered anything. she turned down have the transit votes. she turned on the taxpayer money that we're going to d.c.. for some reason she and want to bring those back in the district. those funds went off to denver, destroyed, and rural georgia. i think a lot of people are just frustrated with her. i knew -- i think about 40% of the republican party wants the party back. you heard the conversation a little bit under a prior

segment. i thought that i needed a tap about 10% of the. people want this stuff to stop, they want talk about that phrase. whether i was in the most red parts of the district, which there is a lot of, they put their head down and they agree. and that anger detainment industry that is represented of bogart, and marjorie taylor greene, have really figured out how to do. it's one thing to do when you're up by 50 points, i think she won about 40 points on tuesday, lauren boebert didn't realize, or i don't know where she missed the memo that she barely won, but that's where you get in this eco chamber, you don't listen to a lot of people outside of your small group, and she was weak and vulnerable, and we took advantage of that. adam, i've got less than 30 seconds left, i do want to ask you what does it mean, and what does a signify that lauren boebert's primary challenger ended up endorsing yo, after you lost a primer to lauren boebert. >> yeah. hats off to senator john cornyn, by the state of colorado, to

choose inform republican speaker the house in the state of colorado. again, there is -- this car than the people yelling and screaming, but 40%, i believe, want their party back. the courage that there's not enough on both sides of the aisle, but especially on the republican side at the moment came out with don quorum, and rush georgian, and a lot of other -- incidents ago food go through google, this country is really reasoning here with western and southern colorado. >> adam frasch, we are watching your race so carefully. i know i am, and i know there are some others and who wish you a lot of look. especially if it goes into a recount. thank you for joining us this, morning and sharing your insight thanks for being. >> yeah, a runoff is coming, thanks very much katie. >> and coming up next, are donald trump's legal troubles about to get much worse to post midterms? a new nbc news report about a looming doj indictment that

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legitimate lawful, transfer of power from one administration in the next. >> just a few months ago, attorney general merrick garland told our lester holt that no one, including the former president, is above the law. now, with the midterm elections over, could that decree be put to the test? when it comes to the mar-a-lago documents case, those wheels, they've been turning. nbc news returning that a charging decision maybe looming these the investigation enters what appears to be a decisive faze. sources telling nbc that the justice department is actually examining past cases involving the -- cost by materials they consider bringing charges against donald trump. but the doj is also beefing up their roster of prosecutors. signing up those with experience, and classified material and terrorism. and, there are more signs that trump's legal troubles can are about to get much worse. first, prosecutors no longer have to abide by the code not

to make any sensitive moves for a big election as to not influence voters. as political puts it, a less than stellar gop midterms performance threatens to deprive trump of the overwhelmingly republican congress that he hoped would bill committee gavels and subpoena power to protect him and to torment his rivals. complicating all of those? trump could announce a another presidential run next week. for more on all of this, we are joined by former united states attorney, and then as nbc legal analyst, and my friend, barbara mcquade. barb, good morning. sources have torn us the mark and eleni and, that's -- such as one from hawaii where an executive assistant was guilty of taking classified documents from her job at the military base here. there's another, one where an fbi analysts is facing ten years in prison for taking home

386 documents over the span of ten years. does this to you signal the charges could be looming? >> it does katie, because there are two questions that prosecutors ask themselves when deciding whether to bring charges. the first is can we charge? that is, is there sufficient evidence to prove the case? that's the first question, but then there's that second question should we bring a case? that's when the government looks to whether or not there's a federal -- substantial evidence to bring a case. we want to have uniformity in the kind of cases you prosecute. in cases involving the mishandling of classified documents, typically prosecutors look for some aggravating factor beyond just mishandling. if you innocently bring home a document in your briefcase, typically that is not prosecuted. you might be disciplined. you might lose your parents, you might lose your job, but probably not be criminally prosecuted. it's some of those factors that she mentioned in the white case and others, whether the person acted willfully, that is they knew they were violating the

law,. whether they were disloyal to the united states, sold them to a foreign government to united states for example, or whether they obstructed justice. that's probably the factor that is most salient in the trump investigation. >> you know barb, i think you would agree with me as lawyers, especially former prosecutors, lester asking that question on whether or not trump announces another presidential run -- does that barr, the doj barr, from indicting trump, if trump announces this coming tuesday that he's running for president again in 2024? >> no. not at all katie. in fact, the key words i looks and for when i hear him speak is without fear or favor. that sounds perhaps like a cliché, we hear that a lot. think about what that means. without fear, there has been some suggestion that if trump was indicted there would be unrest in the streets. you have to do the right thing regardless of your fear of your kinds of consequences. also, the doj has his policy of

not taking action close to an election because they don't want to influence the outcome, especially when the timing makes it such that the he doesn't have an opportunity to defend himself. but we're two years out of an election, the idea that you can inoculate yourself from charges just by announcing a candidate from office is ludicrous. i don't think that will protect him from criminal charges. if the justice department finds that they can bring these charges because the evident sufficient, and that they should bring these charges based on uniformly of other cases, then i think they will bring them. >> you know, barb, i have to get to this before we go. overnight trump's suing the january six committee, seeking to block its subpoena of his testimony and documents. trump's lawyers arguing that the former president has quote, absolute testimonial immunity for the-ing and compelled to compete for the congressional a committee. has this if shoe of absolute immunity has been put to bed? i feel like working this time and time again from him.

i feel like it's already been dealt with. >> well katie, you know trump's strategy is to win by losing. i suspect that's what's going on. here by filing this lawsuit, he can delay the need to appear in compliance with the subpoena, in hopes of running up the clock. if the house should go to republicans, which appear to be the case. that no doubt the january six committee will be disbanded and the new thing -- this lawsuit just puts enough delay in the system than he can run out the clock, and that seems to be the strategy here. >> as far as i'm concerned, barb, he can try to run out that 16 committee clock, but he's not gonna run out the doj clock if merrick garland actually ends up charging. barbara mcquade, thank you so much for joining us this morning. we appreciate. you >> thank you. katie >> and coming up, twitter plunges into chaos after a wave of fake verified accounts and names of politicians,

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there have been mass layoffs, an exodus of executives concern from federal regulators, oh, and don't forget musk sales of more nearly four billion dollars and tesla shares touché save the social network from financial ruin, just according to. him were just two weeks in. but wait, there's more, on wednesday twitter blue rolled out a subscription service where literally anyone can pay $7.99 to have their a car blue check verified. as predicted fake accounts began to pop up everywhere.

from lebron james demanding a trade, to pepsi saying koch is better, and nestle jokingly revealing its trade secrets. apparently even jesus christ himself to get that blue check mark. i guess elon musk has a pretty high reach. but there are some serious implications here. disinformation is spreading, and notorious figures with neo-nazi tights, they got their blue checks back. as of friday, the subscription service has been put on pause. speaking with 36 current employees. -- must barreled in with the ideas of how the social service had should operate with no comprehensive planned with. -- joining me now former director of product management of twitter, and current member of the oh seconds to do. edward perez. edward good morning, thank you so much for joining.

us that list of exodus of executives growing. chief information security officer, the chief privacy officer, the chief compliance officer, the head of moderation and safety, all gone. you, where the head of the product team at twitter devoted to civic integrity. you left the company in september, read for all this very public chaos. did you have any foresight with how bad was going to get? >> first of all, good morning katie, and thanks for having me. i will say candidly that i didn't anticipate that this much chaos could happen this quickly. in terms of things you mentioned, i think that the fact that the ftc has publicly expressed its concerned about how quickly some of these product launches are moving, they've been sloppy and they're posing risks to the users, the fact that this is happening this fast is a great concern and i would not really have anticipated. i think, everybody is pretty disappointed. >> edward, let's talk about that ftc thing.

i want people to understand. there is actually something called a consent order that is governing, or is basically on top of twitter right now. that consent order was entered years ago, it was re-upped this year in 2022. it basically says a twitter haas to protect privacy of users, and to make sure that there aren't some rampant data usage violations. so edward, when does the ftc walking through the front doors of twitter bearing everything, including the kitchen sink that elon musk did a few days ago? >> i think the concern right now is that if they have does command, and start really asking questions, and looking for documentation, it's a big question who still left at twitter to be in a position to answer them. as other people have pointed out, the ftc, it doesn't mess around. this is really serious business. not only can there be massive massive fines associated with consent orders that are

intended to, you know, force accountability on a company like this. for example, facebook they were fined five billion dollars in 2019 for violating consent order. on top of that, there are issues of actual criminal liability. so, it's serious business. that big exodus is some serious pretty bloodletting at a very bad time for you on lock. >> you know, this morning's cover of the unit or post, edward, poked fun at the fake accounts it was really off at the beginning of your segment, calling it a god awful mess, and a 44 billion dollar soap opera. a lot of those fake accounts, they seem really silly, but let's be frank, this is serious stuff. so, what kind of implications do these fake, not verified, blue checked account have not just for the use of twitter, which includes, me i'm a pretty avid user, before others in terms of the disinformation and the spread of it? >> yeah.

that's a great question, katie, it's true that a lot of the impersonators might seem funny, they're entertaining. but this stuff gets really serious really fast. there are some concrete examples were having bad information going out to the public can have really bad consequences, not only on platform, but off platform. even a lot of people don't directly use twitter themselves, the fact is that a lot of the information narratives on twitter, they spread. traditional media picks it up as well. you can imagine having impersonators, if they are pretending to be rub beautiful sources of news, and if they are talking about something as sensitive as election results. or if something were to hijack an account a very notable public figure, and they're saying something really inflammatory or something that even might be an incitement to violence in some way, that's not funny anymore. that's really serious business. >> you know, edward, i think

it's elon lilly, the recount got fake verified through some fake person or whatever, and they said insulin is free for everybody. it's not a joke. diabetes is not a joke, right? it apparently hit a massive market cap problem, frankly, because everybody started calling in. but that's exactly to your point, right, edward. if you had an up having this insemination of wrong information. it's not just politics, it's medicine, and it could be potential violence. edward perez, thank you much for joining, us are like to have you back soon for -- to talk about for the fallout that's happening up later. but i thank you for being here this morning. >> i'd love to do, that katie, thanks for having me. good morning. >> good morning. so, after the break, is it too early to say it's beginning to look a lot like christmas? well, not a new york city, where the walker fell a tree is getting ready to graze the plaza this morning, stick around.

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