it is 10 am in the east, 7 am in the west. i am ali velshi. there are still a few dozen outstanding races to be called in this year's midterms. late last night, we got calls from a very important race. the nbc news suggests that mark kelly has won reelection over blake masters. he is a first time politician who endeared himself last burning lies both a 2020 presidential election. adrian fontes is set to become arizona's next secretary of state. he beat out mark finchem. he is a trump endorsed election liar. he actually attended the january 6th rally in washington, d.c.. in nevada, joe lombardo will become the -- he defeated -- he flip the seat for the democratic battleground of post. we are still waiting for the results from some key congressional races. it is already clear that the expected red wave did not wash out the democrats this year. control of congress remains up in the air. senators kelly's victory in

arizona as a pivotal. one it gives democrats the edge of maintaining power in the senate. senators kelly's reelection, the makeup of the senate is now 49 democrats and 49 republicans. two races left undecided. georgia senate race has had to do a runoff on december 6th. that is between the democratic incumbent raphael warnock and his opponent, herschel walker. meanwhile, nevada's senate race remains too close to call. it is virtually a dead heat right now between the democratic senator, catherine cortez masto, and her republican challenger. adam laxalt. right now, laxalt is meeting leading. with most of the remaining uncounted ballots coming from democratic counties, so senator cortez masto is seen as likely to catch up to you laxalt. in order to take control the senate, republicans need to win both of the remaining contest in georgia and nevada. since vice president kamala harris is the tie breaking vote in the senate, democrats only need to win one of those seeds order to maintain control the senate.

a call in the nevada race could commissioners this afternoon. clark county is the home of las vegas. it is expected to finish counting at some point today. the house is a bit of a different story, however. it might take longer to determine which party is in control next year. right now, republicans have won 211 seats in the house. democrats have won 203. neither party has reached the 218 under necessary to lock in a majority. democrats need to win 15 of the remaining 21 races in order to control the house. republicans only need seven of those races. on paper, this does not seem like a terrible outcome. it is still possible and likely for them to take control of one chamber, possibly both chambers of congress. if you put this into historical context, it is an entirely different story. historically, the sitting president's party almost always loses a significant number of congressional seats during the midterm elections of their first term in office. when donald trump was in office, in 2018, republicans lost 40

seats. during barack obama's first midterm, democrats lost 63. that was at the peak of the tea party movement in 2010. 2002, that was the exception to the rule. republicans gained seats amid high approval rating for george w. bush after his performance on 9/11. democrat lost 52 seats in 1994 during bill clinton's presidency. the list goes on. midterms are often a referendum on the president in his party. that was the foundation of the belief that there was a red wave that was coming this year. it did not materialize. even with inflation at the top economic concern on voters minds. republicans emphasize that in their campaigns. they blame biden and democrats for inflation. that was nonsensical. there is inflation all over the world. this year also ended up as a referendum on trumpism, on election lies, and on republican overreach. in the wake of the supreme court's decision to overturn roe v. wade, americans have voted to protect abortion rights in all six of the abortion related initiatives

that have been on the ballot this year. five of them were on tuesday, one of them was in august in kansas. many of the most trump endorsed republicans questioned, denied, or lied about the 2020 election. they have also lost their races. that includes the candidate doug master garneau and pennsylvania, to dickson in michigan. even the bombastic congresswoman, lauren, she faced trouble this week and a much closer than expected race in what had previously been a salty republican district. right now, she has about 1000-point lead over her competitor. back in arizona, this is a former tv news eager in one of tv -- she is trailing the democrat but about 31,000 votes in the governor race. if holmes pulls off a win, you'll be taking over the states top post. that was previously held by the republican doug doocy. even in the arizona attorney general race, democrat chris mei's leading the republican aide. he said that he would not sign

off on the result of the 2020 election. arizona has been at the one in donald trump side for years now. he reportedly grew irate when fox news quality state for joe biden election that 2020. that is why invested so heavily in the races this year. shortly after the senate race was called for r. kelly last night, donald trump took to a social media platform to make new baseless claims. it was stolen from his preferred candidate for senate, blake masters. even though control of congress is still up in the air, the disappointment and the frustration of this year's midterms is palpable among republicans were already discussing changes in their congressional leadership. joining me now is eugene scott, a national political reporter for the washington post. eugene, good morning to you. it is inconceivable that in a normal world we would still be talking about this election on a saturday after a tuesday. we have still not call who will control the house. even though it is likely to be to public uncontrolled. we really don't know who is going to control the senate.

this is not how anybody thought this was going to unfold. >> not at all. part of the reason is that too many pundits, the media, and everything the americans had, they were way more confident than many of us should have been. and there were so many voters who went to the polls this past week, and in week before. that was due to early voting. their values, ideas, and preferences were not captured in a voting. therefore, this led to a situation that people were not able to predict. this is something, going forward, many of us are going to have to remember this as we cover the elections. this will shape our expectations for what could possibly happen. >> lots of things did not work out for republicans. we are trying to get a handle on what they. are some of it was just the chaos of republicans. some of it was this attempt to pin inflation on joe biden the democrats. that sort of was reading past the first paragraph. some of it was donald trump himself. there is his threat to declare his presidency. he may do that on tuesday.

some of it was election denialism. what do you make of it? the democrats do better because of their own performance? did republicans do worse because of the chaos? >> i think it is a combination of things. are they in the chaos when the gop was formal ways of getting people realized. that is why you do see so many republicans willing to come out and blame donald trump, and blame mitch mcconnell, even blame kevin mccarthy. there is a lack of awareness for people in their values outside of the conservative bubble for many gop lawmakers. people often talk about the decisions that were made in a supreme court and these other initiatives. they are related to abortion. recall this from september. lindsey graham proposed national abortion ban just weeks before the election. that is a very unpopular idea. not between democrats and independents, but many republicans. you have governors like this one from new hampshire. they acknowledge it is the gop that stepped on their foot. in many ways, they handed the

race to democrats. >> left about donald trump. he is probably going to declare his candidacy. maybe on tuesday. he says. so there apparently some people in his circle saying to not do it. we until after the georgia election. what do you think is going on? i want to take back the question. i am not gonna ask you what you think is going on in donald trump mind. that is too hard of an effort. what do you think is happening here with donald trump declaring his presidency on tuesday? >> we know that donald trump wants to get back in the white house. he will not bow down and walk away with ease. he believed that the losses were not tied to him. they were tied to mitch mcconnell, kevin mccarthy. he believed that if he is more of a visual presence in america, he think that he can have outcome similar to what he had in 2016. the reality is the country is different from what it was in 2016. in many ways, his approval is incredibly low. people know way more about trump right now than they did a.

and they do not like game. that is why so many of his candidates lost. the ones that he'd or east. there are republicans. if he does announce before the georgia runoff, he will mobilize democrat to come out and vote against herschel walker. their four vote against trump's agenda. >> there are questions about whether kevin mccarthy, if republicans take the house, they will end up as the speaker, there is a difficulty he will have. he does it because of the freedom caucus. there are now questions about whether mitch mcconnell should be the senate minority leader or the majority leader. this is whatever ends up happening with the republicans. what is going on in republican party? >> people don't think about this minute when it comes to the gop. that is because of how prominent and prevalent, how vocal trump's. there is the idea that this is part of a republican party. you have more moderates. you have more liberals since and conservatives. you also have the trump loyalists. when you cannot get enough

people on the same page to back one beijing and one idea, it becomes difficult to decide who should be the leader. kevin mccarthy was tasked. mitch mcconnell was tasked as well with delivering victories that neither of them were able to materialize. it is not a surprise that people in the party, who have not been that big of a supporter of them in the first place, even before the election, they have become increasingly vocal since tuesday. they say that they don't believe these individuals have what it takes to deliver the white house in the gop in 2024. >> it is good to see you. thank you for being with us. eugene scott is a national political reporter for the washington post. i'm joined now by the democratic congresswomen of connecticut. she was just reelected for a third term to serve the state's fifth congressional district. she's the first woman to ever -- see was named, and this is why you will know her, she was named the national teacher of the year. what a great world. we elect teachers to our

congress. he has been the elected. it was a tough race in connecticut. representative hayes, great to see you. thank you for being with us this morning. tell me about your race and what you contended with. this is something that you expected or did not expect in your victory. >> good morning. thank you so much for having me. this was a very difficult race. i don't think that i fully appreciated the impact of outside money. republican threw everything at me except for the kitchen sink. there were millions of dollars. they set up community centers on the ground. they recruited a candidate from outside of the district to run against me. everything, all of the dynamics were changed. they had a lot of early money. that created this long runway for them to define the narrative surrounding this race. i took it for granted. the other candidate would present his issues.

people would have the opportunity to decide. this was a knockdown, drag out, political battle. it was not about policy. >> that is important. i was talking to cherice david from kansas. she was also in a tough race and prevail. that is what i was trying to get. after people like you, particularly a teacher like you, policy is really important. this is how things affect your constituents. that is really important. i guess you are saying that you had a quaint view that that is what the debate would be about. you debate, you have candidate meetings, you talk about important policy. however, we continue to be overtaken by culture war issues and election denial, that kind of nonsense. what do you think the recipe for success is for the next election as you saw what happened on tuesday? >> you are right. i truly believe that. i wanted to run a clean race. i had so many negative as.

i had so much money. my truck is 41 towns. well everyone was concerned about the economy, it looked different from place to place. for some people, it was lowering interest rates in the price of gas. for other people, it was extra housing in childcare. those were big economic factors. i really think we have to get on the ground and talk to voters. communities have changed. the reliable voting populations have changed. the predictability of voters has changed. long term, helping people understand the connection between policy and the issues on the ground, there are federal. ahead so many things. on one hand, state and local officials were being hailed for the impact of the american rescue plan in some of the initiative they were able to launch because of those funds. that was the major attack against me. this was reckless spending. we should not have voted on it. it was a complete contradiction.

there was a whole lot of things that needs to be part of our messaging and our initiatives. again, and i heard tom malinowski say that these are very complex issues that have to be much broader, much more nuanced conversation. they also need to be focused on the issues. >> this is why we love talking to you. this is why the law that the teacher gets elected. you understand the civics, the economics, all of the basics thing like this have to be taught. there is a measure that republicans were using it is untrue. they said inflation is a creation of joe biden the democratic congress. even though there is something like hundred countries with higher inflation in the united states. and that you are all control in the world. i don't know how you will explain that. how do you get there? you are campaigning. as you said, they threw the kitchen sink at you. the campaign goes somewhere else. right? republican said that inflation is your fall. the republicans said this about him. they said this about democrats. how do you get people to nuance?

how do you get them to texture? you are a teacher. you probably have a better chance than anybody else. does what does that look like for the democratic party? more broadly, for people who like democracy over the next two years. >> i think that one of the bright spots for me is that they shows the importance of every single vote. there were so many communities in my district that had been disenfranchised for years. they just thought that this did not include, than this did not affect them. why even bother? for me, i had been a part of many of those communities. i was able to have very different conversations. i think that mitch mcconnell was. right candidate quality, getting people who are intimately acquainted with these communities, deeply invested in these communities, they have the ability to behave away for some of these communities. we have to legislate differently. we have to recruit differently. we have to campaign differently. if we are going to have any success moving forward, we need to be able to have a message that resonates across communities.

i have some really bright spots in my district. i have some deep purple. my message can change from community to community. i have to be able to listen to what people are saying. even move when we disagree. we need to try and find some kind of middle ground. also civility. for a lot of people, there is the fatigue. people were exhausted. they are coming out of a pandemic with everything that is going on. it is almost as if we forgot what happened any was two years. over the next two years, a lot of the building has to be relational and infrastructure. not in the highway saints. but in the political and electoral value saints. that is going to take a lot of work. i think it is going to start today. >> yes. in two days, we get donald trump back. the work is necessary.

thank you so much. congratulations. >> i have not lost hope. stranger things have happened. >> that might be the big lesson from the week. you fight until this fight is over. maybe it is not over. but you just keep on fighting for democracy. congratulations on your victory. that is the democratic representative, a lot of history was made of this year's midterms. the country got its first gen z member of the house. pennsylvania will soon have its first black woman in congress. come january, we will have over two first lesbian governor's. i am talking to the first lesbian women -- we are live on the ground in georgia. that could be pivotal. republicans could win nevada. dozens of liars -- many of them won. 168 of them to be exact. the impact is on democracy. it will certainly be bad. actually, it could have been much worse. you are watching velshi. watching velshi. with the reliable

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the runoff election could determine what party has control of congress. raphael warnock and her shoal walker will face off one more time on tuesday, december 6th. neither candidate reached 60% of the vote this week. it has already been an incredibly dispense of race. more than a quarter of a billion dollars spent so far. even more money is expected to be spent in the next four weeks. in his final stretch, both candidates are offering very different messages. >> as you can tell, i am not a politician. i don't look like one, don't talk like, one don't act like one. i am a warrior from god that you've been looking for. >> for those of you who made a different choice this time name, weather walker or someone else, i want to speak directly to you, over the next four weeks, i hope that you will give me the opportunity to earn your vote. >> joining me now is an nbc

news correspondent, antonio hilton. good morning. the georgia runoff is over three weeks away. what is going on? what are warnock and walker doing to make that outcome different? one of them is going to get more than 50%. it is just the two of them running. what do they have to do to get those extra votes? >> well, right now, they both already kicked off the next phase of this campaign. it is going to center around rallying up their bags. people need to understand that they need to vote a second time. on thursday night, we saw herschel walker hosted large event in canton, georgia. he had ted cruz by his side. that was an interesting choice. that is a colleague that senator warnock mentions as someone who works with across the island east mount. warnock held an event that day as well. he made is very explicit plea to people who are more moderate. these are split ticket voters. these are people who voted at the top of the ticket. maybe they were not comfortable

voting for herschel walker. they might not be enthusiastic of former president trump announced that he is running for president again on tuesday. the warnock camp feels like this environment favors them a lot of ways right now. the wind is gonna be at his back due to the factors that i just mentioned. they looked at the data coming in on tuesday. they saw that herschel walker underperformed other statewide republicans. they think there are a lot of these voters in the middle there who are uncomfortable. this is someone who was endorsed like trump the way that herschel walker is. if i didn't already, they could potentially be interested in voting for warnock. he is gonna be firing up his base. we are gonna see him very explicitly go after those folks. this is going to be a tough race. the difference is that in a runoff, there is no 50% threshold. it is when the winner takes all. who gets the most votes? they have just under four weeks to get all that done. >> it is gonna be unremarkable race. the eyes of the country are gonna be on it. antonio, thank you.

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open less -- democrat more healy was elected to the governors station in massachusetts, she also becomes the state's first female governor. tina is expected to win oregon governor's race, that makes her only the second woman to leave her estate. progressive summer some really one election to the house, make her the first black woman to represent the state of pennsylvania in congress. their shoe meet up with fellow progressive and activists maxwell frost, he's heading to capitol hill, not to protests gun laws like he has in the past, but to represent florida's tenth district. frost will become the first member of jim z in the house of representatives. at 25 years old, he just barely meets the age requirement for being elected to congress. they're also some first made this week with respect to religion according to the council on american islamic relations. at least 146 muslim american candidates ran for local, state, and federal office this year as of yesterday. at least 83 of them were victorious, that is a record.

among those is this woman who is not only blue at the state level, but only 23 years old, she will be the first muslim, the first indian american, and the youngest representative elected to the states general assembly. she will become the first muslim women elected to georgia state house of representatives, as well as the first palestinian elected to any public office in the state. joining me now is that state representative, she represents the states 97th district in the county. she was born in jordan and move to the united states at the age of seven, congratulations on your success and historical campaign. how does it feel? >> thank you, it is surreal that this is happening, i still sometimes can't believe it. when i went to this orientation, it hit me like a wave and i'm still processing it. that is amazing, there's a lot of parts of your story that my

viewers will find interesting. but actually, the stand out is not what you might think it is. you learned of the mechanics of running for office after attending a virtual seminar that was held by the foundation of islamic relations, it is focused on increasing muslim political representation. but you didn't run for office when you attended that. >> no, i actually worked for georgia. it was the project that did training last fall in 2021. there was a really great reported there that wanted to cover the importance of minority women, in particular muslim women running in office and we had a phenomenal conversation. my intention was to run a marathon and help out with races in the fall of this year. when the article came out it said she was contemplating a run for office and the response was so overwhelming that we launch my campaign 15 days later. >> what up into the marathon? >> it did not happen, obviously.

>> that's a different marathon you are in right now. let's talk about one of the things, you are there to be a representative of your district which has a lot of breath to it. you also, as always happens, you are gonna be called upon to represent constituencies that you naturally represent. women, immigrant women, palestinians, muslims. how does that all fit into your larger agenda? >> first and foremost, it is a huge honor but also a huge responsibility that take very, very seriously when it comes to represent my district and those who see me as someone representing their voice. i grew up as a minority, i grew up as a member of the marginalized community, it is taught me to how to pay attention to those that have been long overlooked. part of my agenda is to do this. there are universal challenges that impact these people, some of us more than others. there are more layers at those

challenges, but they're still very similar. whether that's access to health care, we all need health care to be able to survive and thrive. access to high quality, diverse affordable public education. access to the ballot boxes is incredibly important. at the end of the day, these are all universal issues that impact us similarly, we have seen before even in places like the georgia state legislature where the general assembly has chosen to pursue more divisive lies that might impact specific lawmakers, will this muslims, palestinians, you name it. >> as a private citizen, now you as an elected representative are going to be the target of a lot of organized groups, a lot of the islamophobia and thinly veiled racism in this country is targeted against muslims, it is organized. it is not good for people who don't understand things. it is groups. have you felt that yet, do you know what to do about it?

>> i actually helped establish the georgia chapter of care during the trump candidacy administration, so we don't head on with some of the worst of that and what we found, and what i quickly learned is that these are organizations that are funded to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars. overtime i was able to develop a process of responding and dealing with, processing that at hate and attack. we saw during my own race this year where my opponent tried to say i have ties to terrorism, he worked with a think tank to say that i was a terrorist, which is obviously not true. what we did is, we ignored them. we starve them of the auction we were looking for until they start to spend more and more money, then we all responded the equivalent of how they were reaching. if it was a local podcast, we went on that local podcast. it was a mail order, we sent out a mail order. we chose not to escalate anything because we also do not want to amplify their hateful message. overtime, i learned that the

best thing is to ignore it, other times the best thing is to make fun of it, which is what we also did. other times, it is a response depending on the situation. >> what you can't ignore is the very organized lobby in america. what do you do about that? >> i've told people that it is just as important for us to be as organized, as committed, and as consistent as those lobbies. we have seen that those lobbies are not always successful, like candidates with like some really. where takes all of us as a community sifting through that noise, ignoring that noise, coming together in the real world where we all exists and face real consequences from these policies. look, we are actively rejecting hate, we are actively supporting peoples human rights and we actively recognize that these people deserve freedoms and the ability to represent. in my case, i am palestinian anti policy issues that matter to me. we already know that we are going jing to continue to fight,

but at the same time i also have an entire community backing me that carries me. i would not be here with that infrastructure. >> congratulations on your victory, thanks for spending some time with us this morning. >> thank you for having me. >> she becomes the first muslim woman elected to house of representatives, as well as the first palestinian in the state of georgia. tomorrow morning, my colleague will interview another first elected this year. the before mentioned congress men elect, maxwell frost. check it out tomorrow morning only on the sunday show. still ahead, 167, that is a number of candidates who lied, denied or raised out about the 2020 presidential election and who won their races for governor, senate, house, for secretary of state. that number sounds big, but the downs to democracy could've been a lot worse. ocracy could'v been a lot worse been a lot worse turns out it's mostly water. so, we switched back to tide. one wash, stains are gone. [daughter] slurping don't pay for water. pay for clean. it's got to be tide.

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went into these midterms with a certain level of heightened anxiety about the future of democracy and whether it would survive this election. according to the counter nbc news, there were 260 election deniers running for office this year. that is about 47% of the 569 republican candidates running across the united states. so far, 151 people who denied, lied about, or actively cast doubt on president joe biden's 2020 victory one house seats. eight election deniers won senate races. for one governor races, and three election deniers one secretary of state races. that looks bad, and it actually is. but, election denier victories were not as widespread as many people expected. we watched major races unfold in democracy's favor, like in pennsylvania for example where election deniers doug master no and mehmet oz lost their bid for governor and senate respectively. in michigan, all three election denying candidates for governor, secretary of state, an attorney general failed. so, as a result of the mating

races continue to trickle in, was november 8th a win or a loss for the future of american democracy? joining me now is this history professor from new york university, author of the lucid newsletter which follows threats to democracy worldwide and author of the book strongman, mussolini to the present. also with me is this professor of history and american studies at yale university, the author of a feel the blood, violence in congress and the road to civil war. this is the conversation i've been waiting for all morning. i feel a slightly lower level of anxiety than i did on monday. but ruth, one of the things you want me about because you talk about so much history about autocracy, and anti-democracy stuff that i don't know, is this a blip on your radar? should we be thinking we are out of any woods whatsoever? >> no, and of course the victory for greg abbott and ron

desantis, and the texas gop, these places are going to double down their efforts and become even more laboratories of autocracy to scale up. i really want today to honor what is happening and one of my mantra's, i don't usually say it on the show because we are talking about threats that await us, is never underestimate the american people. one of the big takeaways is that we can have confidence in our election system and confidence in our own ability to organize and to affect change, to be resilient and to have these winds even under very difficult circumstances. that is something to honor and to celebrate. >> all right, we are always looking for something to celebrate on the show because we have so much other stuff. joanne, let me ask you what your thoughts are about how tuesday turned out and where we are right now. >> well, i suppose i'm of a mind with ruth. on the one hand, it is a relief,

it could've been much worse, it was a victory in some ways for the democratic process. on the other hand, it is also true that that was a very close election and that matters. as you started out by saying, ali, that is alarming and what that suggests to me among other things is that this is not a moment to let down our guard. when you look along the hall of american history, and you look at really fraught elections, or elections where it felt as though there was kind of a turning point at hand, it is always interesting to see what happens after the election. what do the people do who expected to win, who felt entitled to win. what is it that they do when they don't get what they feel entitled to. and, they are already prone to not necessarily being cozy with the democratic system. so, i personally as a historian looking back to the election of 1800, or the election of 1860.

i am looking ahead and i've got my eyes open. >> that is incredible wager said. what is it they do when they don't get what they believe they are entitled to. this is the root cause, unite have discussed, of many of the authoritarian movements around the world in which people themselves choose their authoritarian leaders. people themselves cast ballots to result in a lower level of democracy for them. that is of course the danger in america, people think something else should have happened and they are going to continue to support, at the ballot, candidates who deny elections, candidates who, like kari lake in arizona, who is already calling everyone a cheater and a loser. >> absolutely, there is nothing more dangerous than vindictive authoritarians. we saw that with trump who couldn't stand to lose so overnight as violent attempts, half the country seems to be

forgetting about right now. but we can't forget about that and also, the anointment of ron desantis is very worrying to me because he is a smoother and more disciplined extremist. we can never forget that the ultimate goal whoever fox news and murdoch and the gop elites protect, proclaim, the goal is to make it easier to have an autocratic system prevail and to convince americans that we did have a lot of election deniers who won. elections are too compromised and too corrupt to be a valid way of choosing leaders. that opens the door to coup attempts and other kinds of authoritarian machinations. >> this idea that everything we've overcome in the last two years might just be approached a more sophisticated way going forward is something that i want to explore on the other side of the break. hang on, ruth and joanne, stay where you are, we will continue this right after the break. u are, we will continu

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the fate of democracy heading into this week's midterm elections. now that the votes have come in, we're taking a closer look at what the results mean for democracy. back with me, professor of history at newark university, joined freeman, professor of history and american studies at yale university. joanne, there was this conversation before the election about how republicans were successful leading into inflation, blaming biden and the democrats for, which was sort of an inaccurate thing to do. but, democrats were leading into democracy and or abortion, and things that we're not going to motivate people to go to the ballot boxes. the three of us have been talking about the threats to democracy for some years now. turns out that americans were hearing the message, they were having that discussion, maybe it doesn't feel the same as the increase in the price of x. but it is actually something

they need to worry about. >> it is something they needed to worry about and i do think one of the lessons of this past midterm election is that democracy is vulnerable, democracy is fragile, and democracy has to be worked for. i do think on the one hand it is true that we are dismissing the talk about democracy under threat as mere rhetoric, and fearmongering in some way. it is an interesting claim given that i did feel that democracy was under threat. what do you do if it after chile's? now that we are past that election, i do you feel that it is important to bear in mind the other half of that lesson, which really is that you cannot take democracy for granted. i really, sincerely hope that the fact that things did not go the way that they might have, that they weren't worse in this election, does not mean that people come away with the wrong lesson, which is okay, that was fine, it wasn't really under threat and now we are moving on

because that is not where we are. >> if people like democracy, i hang around with a lot of, them or feeling some released today that they weren't expecting to feel on monday, ruth, how do you sharpen the message that people who took it a little bit seriously are realizing that you have to finish the job, you cannot think this is in the rearview mirror? i suspect by the way that donald trump declaring that he is running for trump -- they will get back to their ptsd about the fact that oh, that is what is going on. how do you approach moxie people home that message for the next two years? >> well, that is one of the things, to feel confident that the system works and that your vote means something. your activism, your organizing, your phone making, canvassing. a lot of people who are in my lucid newsletter, they do those things and i'm looking forward to congratulating them. if you know somebody who is a democrat biden vote, this is the time to contact them and

say, do you know what? this really does work. we need more of it. the other thing is, i was actually tearing up when you are speaking to this person because the results that we have had with so many muslim and black, lgbtq candidates running for office and winning makes government, u.s. government reflect the multi racial progressive inclusive democracy that we actually are. this was a vote, this was a success for reality versus this brutal attempt by republicans to kind of impose minoritarian rule. turn back the clock and say no, america is just white christian and male dominated. so, these are tangible results of organizing that we need to build on. i think that is where the confidence and feeling optimistic and having hope that the system works and proof that the system works is really

important. >> that is one side of the equation, what is the other sideshow and, the people who you described as not getting what they were entitled to. do they say, this didn't work, we need to stick with democracy, we need to move on? order people double down? that is my concern, this is a worse because the anti-democratic horses didn't do as well on tuesday as was expected, or do they feel we can? >> well, i think what matters is what everything adds up to. will there be people who respond to this by being angry and doubling down? i think the answer is yes. but just as we just said, i think in so many ways, in a sense the positive side of all of these close elections that should have not been close given the fact that there were election deniers running for office, is that your vote matters. if they were close elections, the message of that is, your individual vote matters a lot. i think young people also got that message as well. they turned out, they showed up, they voted, they cared, they

were the people who are the legacy of this election. they too i think got a legacy of involvement. at the same time, i think there will be some doubling down, i think in the end the message, the positive message is an important counter force. >> thanks to both of you, not just for being here this morning after being with us so much, but for really being the tip of the spear on these discussions about the preservation of democracy and what we can all do to help in that battle. ruth is a professor of history at nyu, the author of strongmen from listening to the president. joe and freeman is a professor of history at university of yale. the author of the field of blood, the road to the civil war. thanks for watching, velshi, i'll be back here tomorrow morning normal time eight to 10 am eastern with don trump teasing that 2024 campaign announcement next week. i will talk to people who know him well, his niece mary trump, and his former personal attorney and fixer, michael cohen. he has long maintained that despite what trump says, cohen

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