women that ran really tough races on what they had gotten done in a bipartisan way as well. it's just , you know, women saving the republic. >> reporter: it appears a lot of us underestimated the power and attracting of voting in this particular election among young people. we missed the wave that came. thank god it did come. >> all right. well, that does it for us this morning. much more tomorrow on "morning joe". jose diaz-balart picks up the coverage right now. and good morning. 10:00 a.m. eastern, 7:00 p.m. i'm jose diaz-balart. a very busy monday morning. we begin this hour in indonesia where president biden wrapped up a news conference following his meeting with xi jinping. they talked for roughly three and a half hours during their first in-person meeting since

president biden took office. the white house says the two leaders talked about several important issues, including taiwan, russia's war in ukraine, north korea, and human rights. here's hour the president summed up his lengthy meeting with the chinese leader. >> we had an open and candid conversation about our intentions and our priorities. it was clear, he was clear and i was clear, that we'll defend american interests and values, promote human rights, and stand up for the international order and work in lock step with allies and partners. we will compete vigorously. i'm not looking for conflict. i am looking to manage this competition responsibly. >> with us to take a closer look at this carol lee in bali, indonesia and author of the great u.s.-china tech war. the president said several times the u.s. would defend taiwan if attacked by china. he didn't say it this time

around. what did he have to say about the situation between china and taiwan? >> well, that's right, jose, he didn't say what he said four times previously, which is the u.s. would come to the defense of taiwan if china were to move in on taiwan. now, what the president did say is he reaffirmed the one china policy and said he doesn't see any imminent threat from china in terms of an invasion of taiwan. he stressed it's important for the issues in that region to be resolved peacefully and, in his estimate station, he understand president xi and president kpeu understood him. >> i don't think there is any imminent attempt on the part of china to invade taiwan. i made it clear to him that our policy has not changed at all. it's the same exact position we have had.

so it never has to come to that. >> reporter: now, for china's part, they issued a statement and saying that when it comes to taiwan, it is a matter solely up to china, that it was a red line that must not be crossed. and going even a little bit further saying stability and taiwan independence are as i rec con saoeulable as water and fire. sharp words from the chinese and the president saying he believes that the two leaders came to some sort of understanding, or at least understood where each other were coming from on this issue. >> carol lee in bali, thank you so much for being with us. gordon, i want your thoughts on what the president had to say about his meeting with xi jinping today. >> reporter: well, in taiwans president was clear he would

impose any side from changing status quo. that is code for the united states will not permit a forcible annexation of taiwan. the one thing that came out of this meeting is there would be working groups between chinese and american officials. secretary of state blinken is going to go to beijing. everyone likes talking. the point is as we talk, china continues unacceptable and dangerous behavior. and we are refraining from imposing costs on china for that behavior. so china procrastinates. and i just hope the biden administration will make sure beijing doesn't do that during the ongoing dialogue. >> gordon, in a piece you published yesterday, you say today's meeting should not have happened writing it's long pastime for america to stop talking with the chinese regime and start imposing costs for dangerous and other unacceptable behavior. expand on that. >> we have had this notion that we should continue talking with

adversaries and enemies. we did this during the cold war. the point is although this sounds good to the ear, these policies, especially the last three decades with regard to china have produced very disadvantageous results, not just for us but our friends and allies in the international community in a broader sense. so we need to pivot. we need to do something that might actually work. and the president during a multilateral summit, his time is extremely precious. instead of fruitless conversations with china, i think he should have been talking with friends and allies and potential friends and allies. we have some real problems. some problems in our own region, which you have highlighted, jose, we should be spending time on that as opposed to conversations with china that won't really lead to anywhere. >> yeah. and meanwhile, as you say, china is very much involved and in play in latin america, south

america, central america, the caribbean taking away precious resources, exploiting the amazon. what they are doing in latin america is of extraordinary importance to the planet. gordon, i'm just wondering, this is the first time that president biden sees xi since he became president. also the first time that kpeu is the undisputed czar of china. he was reaffirmed in his position of power, taking out the person who had been there before him. what is xi jinping's global agenda now going forward? i mean, is he launching a new national cultural revolution, international expansionism? >> yeah. the signs are really disturbing. during the 20th national congress last month, xi

appointed what is being called a war cabinet. we know he's involved in the fastest military buildup since the second world war. but mobilizing the society for war. we know during his work report, a state of the union address, he didn't address critical domestic issues. that shows he doesn't have answers for those issues which he is considered responsible for. that means he is -- and during that talk he talked about china's position in the world. it looks like he wants to distract the chinese people by causing problems abroad to distract from domestic problems. >> is taiwan any safer than it was, i don't know, last month? >> one month, probably less safe since he made it very clear what he wants to do.

he appeared before the chinese central military commission dress indeed camouflage talking about preparing for war. we have heard those comments before. but his comments actually sounded a little bit ununhinged when he discussed china's position in the world in terms it showed i think he wasn't in touch with reality. so we've got to be concerned about his state of mind. >> gordon chang, always a pleasure. thank you for being with us this morning. >> thank you, jose. this morning, six days after the midterm elections, it is unclear which party will control the house of representatives the next two years. this as democrats will keep control of the senate after catherine or tez masto defeated adam laxalt. how much they may be able to do in the senate depends on, well, the senate runoff in georgia where in just three weeks voters will head to the polls again to

choose between warnock and herschel walker. joining us now capitol hill correspondent ali vitale from atlanta, priscilla thompson and john ral son, ceo of nevada independent and analyst. what is the latest from georgia? >> reporter: yeah. well, jose, the name of the game in a runoff is turn out. and with just two weeks until early voting starts, both candidates are getting back out on the trail, not letting up as they try to convince voters to turn out. we know historically moreirense turn out during a runoff than democrats. but as a reminder, two years ago georgia democrats were able to win both senate seats in a runoff. and they're feeling confident they can do it again. in part because when you look at the vote numbers from election day where herschel walker did not keep pace with other republicans who were on the ballot, we saw renin couple bent governor brian kemp easily win

his re-election. and there were more than 200,000 voters who voted for him and did not vote for herschel walker. so walker has acknowledged that he needs to get back out to these places where he didn't get the vote or didn't get enough of that vote and try to convince voters there to give him a second look. he will be in augusta, georgia later today. he plans to be on the trail every day this week looking to energy and turn out voters as democrats are looking to do the same thing here. jose. >> yeah. and i mean, priscilla, it is a situation where just in three weeks the enthusiasm and voter turnout is really key for this. >> reporter: absolutely. and that is the big question, thaoupl. especially because part of walker's appeal was this idea that the balance of power of the senate could hang on this race. we know that is no longer the case. but i spoke to voters out at his

event yesterday in peach tree city. what they told me is this race is still incredibly important. they want to keep the margins in the senate as tight as possible. they feel a win now could pay off for them in the long run. listen. >> the problem is of course obama will be the vote there. but it's not going to be forever. but we just need to get herschel in there to speak for us, to turn things around. >> tpefpb it's going to be 50/50, we still need to get herschel in and keep the democrats from getting 51-49. it's very important. >> reporter: and notably, all those voters that i spoke to yesterday said they voted for walker on election day. they'll do it again on december 6th. but it is a question of if he'll be able to turn out more voters as democrats are looking to do the same. and of course the ultimate question, who will actually show up to cast that ballot. jose. >> indeed.

so, john, meanwhile, let's talk nevada. how did the senator pull out this come-from-behind victory? >> reporter: well, the democratic machine here is alive and well. there was pre-obits written about the read machine, the democratic machine named for the late senator harry reid. they ran a mail-ballot campaign that turns out to put her over the top. she is leading by 6,500 votes. she was a much better candidate than candidate laxalt. candidates still matter. she went out and did what she had to do being there in the last month of the campaign, coalescing the hispanic vote she really needed and has been key in nevada elections. and her media campaign for laxalt as an opponent of an abortion, election denier and as a carpet bagger proved effective. >> and, john, in nevada, let's

talk about the latinos. fewer numbers than many had anticipated, making up 12% of those who voted instead of 20% both parties estimated would come out. according to nbc exit polling of those who did, 62% backed catherine cortez masto. how was she able to do that? >> she is the first and only latina ever on the senate. she made a real effort, as i said earlier, to appeal to the hispanic community. adam laxalt at times during the election bragged that he had 50% of the latino vote. and they made a real commitment on spacial language media never seen in this state by republicans outside groups like the club for growth spent seven figures on spanish language tv radio and digital. and they made a real effort.

but her internal polling always showed her getting about 60%, which is the minimum that a democratic candidate needs to get to win an election. and exit polls, which can be wonky at times, did show her getting 62%. >> yeah. ali, what are the conversations meanwhile on capitol hill about what congressional leadership could look like? >> yeah. we could be in for a little bit of drama here, jose. because the senate is squarely locked away for democrats. we know that now after what happened over the weekend. but now we are still waiting for control of congress on the house side to be decided. nevertheless, we are seeing republicans in the house move forward with the early stages of their leadership elections. lawmakers are going to make the pitch to their colleagues for the positions they hope to run for. at least as it is scheduled right now, behind closed doors, house republicans will huddle tomorrow and cast their initial ballots. there's probably going to be some drama around house minority

leader kevin mccarthy's eventual bid to become speaker. there was a point he was convinced they would have upwards of 20-seat majority and he would be the speaker of the house. that is thrown into flux with the way these things have come out. and questions when their leadership elections will be as eight senators, including both rick scott and marco rubio, are saying the election for the senate republican side should be delayed until all the election results are finished. they're waiting for two seats at this point. yes, georgia, where priscilla is, but also what happens for lisa murkowski in alaska. i covered alaska over the summer. this was always going to be a race ta was going to take more time, high percentages of vote by mail. at this point murkowski and whoever wins from georgia wouldn't be eligible to vote. in republicans's minds that's herschel walker. they're calling for this to be delayed.

unclear whether or not it's going to happen. it could be one of the first times we have seen senator mcconnell be challenged from within his own ranks. all of had is the drama on the hill even as results are still shaking out. jose. >> ali, just a couple of minutes ago the president was asked what people can expect from the new congress about codifying abortion rights. here's how he responded. >> i don't think there's enough votes to codify unless something happens unusual in the house. i think we're going to get very close in the house. but i think it's going to be very close. but i think we will make it. >> ali, what do these results mean for either party to have legislation on key issues go forward? >> look, once again we are in a razor-thin margin senate. the question is, is it going to be the 50/50 power sharing we have seen over the course of the last two years where reporters end up staked outside offices of joe manchin and kyrsten sinema

as democrats try to figure out how to move forward with full caucus on board. what happens in georgia? as it relates to abortion rights, this is where i usually keep my crystal ball in the khroelts. they could potentially, if rafael warnock wins in that runoff, make changes to the rules that would allow them to go forward and codify roe versus wade. the reason there is such a big asterisk, they don't have manchin on board. they would be changing rules with 50 democrats and using kamala harris as a tie-breaker. it's a tough way to make changes to rules around here. that is the hypothetical. that being said, it is why georgia is so important and why so much of how this congress is going to go for the next two years hinges on what happens there in that state. >> so, ali, keep that crystal ball close by. no longer in the closet. seriously. >> just for now. just for you. >> ali, john, priscilla, thank you all for being with us this

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21 past the hour. at the top of the next hour, police and leaders at the university of virginia in charlottesville will give an update as students are being advised to shelter in place this morning. police continue to search for the suspect in an on-campus shooting that left at at least three dead and two injured. joining us from charlottesville is nbc's ryan nobles. good morning. what's the very latest there? >> reporter: well, jose, as you

mentioned, the university officials are scheduled to brief the press in the next hour where we could learn more information about what happened late last night. what's important to point out, even though they say they are going to brief the press, they are still saying the search continues for the main suspect, christopher darnell jones, who is a student here at the university of virginia. was once a member of the college's football team. what we're told is the shooting took place 10:30 last night. there were three victims, three individuals that were killed in the shooting, and then two others seriously wounded. and that the suspect in the case left the scene pretty quickly after. and that university officials are quickly went to work trying to keep the campus safe. they put the campus into a lockdown. all the students right now even at this moment are under a shelter in place order. all the classes here at the university of virginia have been canceled for monday as the search for the suspect

continues. in fact,, late last night they put out a tweet warning exactly what was happening here and used the world run hide fight, a vernacular they use as part of their active shooter training which they employed here last night. university president jim ryan sent a lengthy note to the campus community informing them about what happened last night. he said the incident has left him heartbroken. but we are hoping to learn at least a little bit more about the victims here at this press conference in the next 40 minutes or so. jose, this is obviously a community very shaken by everything that took place here last night. >> indeed. ryan nobles, i thank you very much for that late breaking details on that. coming up, new details about what to expect from the january 6th committee's final report and its focus on former president trump. plus, ukrainian president zelenskyy just visited the newly liberated city of kherson. how ukrainians are celebrating

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hour, the deadline passed for former president trump and his attorneys to hand over documents to the january 6th committee. the former president subpoenaed last month to be interviewed today as the committee tries to wrap up its investigation. tomorrow night donald trump is expected to make an announcement, which could be that he is running for president in 2024. joining us now nbc news justice and intelligence correspondent ken dilanian and joyce vance, former u.s. attorney and nbc news legal analyst. ken, what happens now after the deadline has passed? >> what happens now is a legal fight, jose. trump filed a lawsuit friday night in palm beach seeking to squash these subpoenas. his lawyers argues they are overly broad. and say they violate the separation of powers doctrine.

the january 6th committee disagrees. but they are living on borrowed time. it looks like trump will be able to run out the clock with legal delays. it's worth noting if the justice department's investigation into trump's role remains quite active, jose. >> and, carol, meanwhile, in a new interview, vice president mike pence addressed the tweet when he said pence didn't have the courage to do what should have been done. here was his response. >> it angered me. but i turned to my daughter, who was standing nearby, and i said, it doesn't take courage to break the law. it takes courage to uphold the law. the president's words were reckless. it was clear he decided to be part of the problem. >> carol, how significant are

these comments? >> reporter: it's very significant, jose. here you have the vice president acknowledging what we've been reporting from sources close to him for some time that the tweet that donald trump, then the president, sent out after there had been shots fired at the capitol, after a riot had been declared, and after his supporters had breached the capitol by force, that this tweet basically putting a target on his vice president's back. saying that pence was not brave enough to do the right thing, had angered pence, that it had sort of solidified his resolve to stay at the capitol and do the job that he was supposed to do. his constitutional duty was to certify the election, even though those election results had not re-elected him and trump to the white house. >> yeah. and, joyce, if the former president ever speaks with the committee, how detrimental would that be to their investigation?

>> well, it's an interesting situation, right. you have these different versions of reality. i think ultimately it's not the committee that will end up resolving these different versions of the facts. it will be the justice department. and it will fend on whether doj believes that there's sufficient evidence that they need to forge ahead and interview these two very central players, the former vice president and the former vice president. it would be unprecedented. it's the thing you want to be careful about doing if you're doj. you don't want to set a precedent that makes you look political. but if the evidence suggests there is reason to prosecute, you've got to get the version of events from each of those principals if they will testify, keeping in mind doj off does not try to subpoena targets of an investigation to a grand jury. but mike pence's views are important. because in addition to his

reaction to the tweet, he had a series of conversations with the former president. and it's those conversations that other aides have resisted, although apparently there is some movement on their testimony in that regard. but mike pence's first-hand interactions with trump may ultimately be necessary for doj to address the former president's state of mind. >> ken, you co-wrote this nbc exclusive about what the january 6th committee issen practicing to include in its final report. what did you learn? >> reporter: the staffers who spent the last year investigating law enforcement and security failures connected to the riot were told their work would not be included in the final report. our sources told us liz cheney and other members are concerned it could detract from donald trump. this decision could change. it would mean they are essentially deciding to bury significant findings about why the fbi and other agencies failed to act on the threat

information they were seeing before january 6th and why the national guard took so long to respond after rioters overran the capitol. they have developed significant new information after reviewing thousands of pages of documents and conducting more than 100 interviews. congressional records are not subject to the freedom of information act. if the committee doesn't publish those findings they may never see the light of day. legal experts said that would be a huge missed opportunity. >> why would that be? why would they not at least release it? >> again, we're told that some members, particularly liz cheney, believe that it becomes a talking point for donald trump if there are security failures. and it has been already. it becomes an excuse and a way to take culpability away from the people who attacked the capitol. after 9/11 nobody made that point about the fbi and cia.

it boggles the mind. but that is the thinking right now, jose. meanwhile, carol, as the former president prepares to make his announcement for 2024, what do you make of the tiling of this announcement? >> well, it's not ideal, jose for former president trump, and he knows it. he's very worried, talking with aides about the fact that republican leadership is now under attack from their own members, from within. because there was not the route in the election that donald trump was expecting nor the one that kevin mccarthy and mitch mcconnell were expecting and promising to some of their members. so the fact that the senate remains in democratic control and the house majority for republicans is going to be squeaky thin, it's not a good look for donald trump to say the people who backed his election lie basically either all lost or won by a hair.

very, very few people who supported donald trump's view on this will return to office, especially when you look at some of the states where people literally chose a republican candidate very singularly and spectacularly that they wanted out because of their role in election control. and if that person was pushing the election lie, they lost. it's not that favorable for donald trump, basically. >> yeah. and, joyce, if trump does announce his candidacy for president tomorrow night, would that change, you think, anything within the department of justice when they have to move forward prosecuting him or not? >> reporter: my sense is that it won't have any impact on the department's work. the attorney general has been very clear about the path he follows in prosecutions. it's perhaps too slow for many americans.

and i think difficult to appreciate why the process takes so long unless you have ever been a prosecutor. in which case i can tell you there are a lot of delays built into the process, it seems to add 30, 60 days to an investigation every time you turn around. but that frustration with timing aside, merrick garland has been very clear that in terms of the process that he will follow the facts wherever they lead. that means a former president cannot hide behind a candidacy to reclaim the presidency than any other american who is being investigated for similar facts would face. when it comes to mar-a-lago, it is simpler, the evidence a bit more developed. that evidence strongly suggests doj will seriously consider indicting the former president.

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so ukraine came so i'm happy. >> joining us from kyiv, molly hunter. molly, hi. how are ukrainians viewing the liberation of kherson? >> reporter: yeah. president zelenskyy is not the only ukrainian who is happy. of course what they saw and we saw all the scenes play out over the weekend again today. i do want to share one viral video, jose. it is a young soldier that we now know is named oleg racing to this woman on the ground, who turns out to be his grandmother lydia. our richard engel and his team actually tracked down lydia. take a quick listen to this. >> reporter: what was that moment like? i was so, so happy to see him, she says,, my grandson, that he is running to me, that he's alive. she watches the video again and again and kisses oleg on the screen. and months of uncertainty and fear well up and come pouring

out. it was overdue. thank you. thank you for everything, she says. i had no words. >> reporter: now, amid all the celebrations, jose, there is a real humanitarian disaster facing kherson city and also that region. they are warning of a few things. the first is the region is not yet safe. it has not fully cleared or demined. there are boobytraps they left behind. they destroyed critical infrastructure. most are without electricity, power, water, phone connectivity, any wi-fi. and the third thinking he is saying this is a frontline city. when they retreated it the dnipro river. it is a much more dangerous area. he is urging people who have the means who can get out to evacuate to safer areas. jose. >> molly hunter in kyiv, thank

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troy miller will be filling in as acting commissioner for 2021. they chose magnus because he had a law enforcement background. they thought that might be a contribution. but it seemed because he didn't come up through dhs ranks, he had a fission, things that didn't quite work out between him and mayorkas, the white house and ncbp ranks. it's not unheard of to have clashes who were rank and file doing the mission at the border. it seems there were a lot of border patrol officers who were not pleased. saw reports that said he was falling asleep in meetings. people didn't think he was engaged and taking the mission that they were carrying out seriously enough, especially considering the record number of migrants crossing the border that these men and win are dealing with right now. >> julia ainsley, thank you very much. the whole journey from south america to the united states is

treacherous, dangerous on foot. one of the most hostile points is the darien jungle. here's a report from the area. >> reporter: smugglers traveled with a group to show them the way. the gate open and is they flood through. ahead of them is a 65-mile journey through rivers, jungle and over mountains. it will take five days at best. they crisscross the river heading for the higher ground dozens of times. the sheer numbers of families and the numbers of tiny children attending this is astonishing. everyone helps, slipping on rocks beneath the water, little ones grab their parents. parents grab their children hoisting them onto their backs, but everyone keeps moving. michael is from venezuela.

his wife is seven months pregnant. their two boys are 4 and 2. they've come from chile and they've been walking for months already. like everyone, america is their goal. >> walking for months. our thanks to sky news reporter stewart ramsey. the "new york times" reports that at least 215,000 people have gone through the area since january. that's nearly twice as many as last year. julie turkewitz is one of two reporters who traveled the 60-mile stretch. she joins us this morning. thank you for being with us. you say in your reporting that the gap is a multimillion dollar business. >> yeah. thanks so much for having me, again. as we've talked about, there's this seismic shift in migration happening right now where we're seeing a record number of people traveling through the darien gap

and what we wanted to show in this latest article is, first, just how many children are making this journey, and second of all, that the -- yes, the darien gap has become a multimillion dollar business where people are making money off of this enormous surge. >> and you wrote about families torn apart. you saw a little girl who got separated from her mother on the journey. just describe what that was like, what that -- what happened. >> so the piece focuses on this family. and a lot of readers were shocked to hear their story which is that in the middle of the jungle, alexander became so injured that she asked another migrant, a new friend of hers, to help her carry her child and

this new friend helped her with sarah and at some point they became separated. what we documented in the piece was sarah's journey through this very, very difficult, very dangerous jungle as they try to find her mother and as they sort of reunite with her mother. and i think what is really important to point out in this conversation is that sarah's story is extremely common. we did not choose the most horrifying narrative. this is a -- this is a very common narrative, in fact, unicef told us that more than 600 children have become separated from their parents on the journey this year alone. >> 600. i mean, the numbers are just -- i want to just also highlight the work of fredrico rios who is

taking photos of the conditions. many of the folks traveling, they will not be allowed into the u.s. after they make this journey, sometimes walking for months. have the rates of people making the journey changed at all? >> so what we've seen is that -- we finished the journey with sarah and her mother on october 10th. on october 12th as many of your listeners know, the biden administration changed the policy for venezuelans and decided they would now be sent to mexico. and so what we have seen is that the number of people who are leaving the jungle, they're counted by officials, has gone down dramatically. when we left the jungle, it was about 4,000 people leaving a day, which is an astounding number considering just a few years ago it was average by 11,000 people and we've seen it go from 4,000 a day from 600 a day. which is a remarkable drop.

and i know that the u.s. government has talked about that as a sign of success, but i think it's really, really important to point out that 600 a day is still a rate of about 200,000 people crossing the darien a year. we are far from seeing the, quote/unquote, solution to this humanitarian crisis. >> yeah, yeah. and julie, it's also -- you talk numbers, right? and you who have been there more than most, it's such a -- it's like hell. it's like one of dante's -- one of the layers of dante's inferno. thank you for continuing to cover this story that is so important. i so appreciate you. thanks. >> thank you. and that wraps up our first hour of coverage. up next, we're expecting an update on the investigation into the deadly shooting at the university of virginia as the

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