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over the weekend, nbc projected democrats will maintain control of the senate. but the majority in the house is still up in the air. and a number of other key races remain uncalled including the closely watched arizona governor's race, between democrat katie hobbs and soft lens focus maga republican kari lake. vote counting has been ongoing since tuesday, with officials in the state's 15 counties releasing tallies of votes as they have been processed. we're expecting an update on that race this evening. joining me now for more with the latest is the only, the one and only map daddy as they call him on the tiktok, steve kornacki at the big board. >> we're expecting a major update, probably in the 8:00 to 9:00 p.m. hour in arizona, and it's going to come from maricopa county here, the biggest in the state by far. and they have been counting up, we have been talking about this. if you have been following this drama in arizona, this big group of ballots, almost 300,000 of them. they were ballots, mail-in

ballots that voters brought into the polls in person on election day. very specific type of vote there. republicans have been doing pretty well with them, but the story has been that kari lake has not been doing as well with this type of vote as she had hoped. you see right now, she trails, kari lake does, 24,719 votes state-wide. this big batch between 8:00 and 9:00 we're expecting from maricopa county may be the hail mary pass for her because she's got to not just win it, she's got to win it by a huge margin so she can erase this lead that katie hobbs has built state-wide. basically, outside of maricopa county, what else is left in arizona? we are this hour expecting an update from pima county. that's where tucson is, and you can see this is a strongly democratic county, the second biggest county in the state. the expectation is the release that will come this hour out of pima, if it indeed, if they stick to the timeline officials are forecasting there, there's

an update this hour that could add to hobbs' lead state-wide. there are some smaller rural red counties with votes to report, too. that might undo some of what hobbs gains out of pima. again, that's what makes maricopa maybe the ball game here, because it's just by far the biggest in the state. it's by far the biggest source of outstanding votes, and again, what we're looking for in the 8:00 hour update, not just does kari lake win those votes, does she win by a giant margin because that's what she needs at this point. >> tv kornacki, enjoyed you on snl this weekend. i'm slightly jealous you get to be on that show. great job. appreciate you. you know they call you map daddy? >> i don't know anything. people show me things and i throw my hands up in the air and say i have no idea what the world has come to. >> the more you know. thank you very much. all right, everybody. democrats and everyoneential who cares about democracy are breathing a huge sigh of relief

after every single election denying candidate who would have had power over elections in a swing state lost. or in kari lake's case is pretty much on her way to losing their elections, which is good news for 2024. given that trump or whichever republican won't be able to steal the election by having republican states ignore the votes and just hand the electoral college over. but the threat to democracy isn't over, friends. the republican party is still an extremist party, as the atlantic's ron brown steen point out, while in democratic leaning and swing states, voters last week delivered an unmistakable cry of resistance to the restrictive republican social agenda, in red states, where republicans have actually imposed that agenda over the past two years, republican governors cruised to re-election without any discernible backlash. just look at states like texas and florida. but the new media meme that replaces the old inflation and crime media meme, have you

noticed nobody is talking about those things anymore, is after the supposed red wave turned into a red wedding, infighting republicans will now shift away from maga extremism and find their way to the middle. there's been a growing number of republicans distancing themselves from donald trump. is that really a change or just a change back? once trump friendly congressman mo brooks said it would be a bad mistake to nominate trump as the party's 2024 presidential nominee, calling him, quote, dishonest, disloyal, incompetent, and crude. but brooks' origin isn't the center. it's the tea party. and if republicans do dump trump and his maga cronies, which keep in mind, would come only after losing three consecutive elections plus a georgia run-off, two impeachments and an armed insurrection to try to overthrow the government, the alternative is shaping up to be ron desantis whose priorities as florida govern including going after mickey mouse, teachers, and drag brunches and yelling at

school kids because they're wearing masks to prevent covid, and oh, did i mention he started out as a member of, say it with me, the tea party. and with trump supposedly gearing up to announce another run for president tomorrow, it's abundantly clear that even if some beltway republicans want him to go away, there's a high chance trump won't listen. as this weekend's "saturday night live" depicted perfectly. >> don't you need to, like, walk your daughter down the aisle. >> missed it, anyway, what are you guys talking about? you see -- >> mr. president, i don't know how to tell you this, but we have moved on. we can't have you on the show anymore. >> what? what did i do? >> it's because you lost. mr. president, we just don't see a future with you. but you know what, we can still be friends. okay? so bye-bye now. >> wait, wait, wait. i have a big announcement, november 15th. don't push me off. i have a big announcement, and it's not what you think.

>> joining me now is michelle goldberg, "new york times" column nk and msnbc political analyst, and matthew dowd, political strategist and founder of country over party. you know, matt, i want to start with you on this. i feel like the biggest unrecognized fact in media coverage over the past probably decade has been not realizing that the tea party was already extreme, it was an extremist movement against president obama, backed by people like the koch brothers, and it is now the basis of the party and the base of the maga movement. let me go through it, currents senators who are tea party, cruz, rubio, ron johnson, rand paul, mike lee, who wants to get rid of social security, tim scott, johnson also wants to get rid of social security, congressmen who were tea party and became maga and wanted to overthrow the election. steve scalise is in leadership.

he was a tea partier. that doesn't include ron desantis, jeff censions, mark meadows. let me remind you what the tea party was. here are their protests. this is what they looked like. this is cut five. there, this is the tea party movement. this was pre-maga. you see them? and now here they are, protesting against obamacare. >> matt, that was ten years before the insurrection when they just came back and busted in the building. so the idea that they're somehow going to moderate instead of just pivot right back to that, which is what ron desantis is, it mystifies me that anyone believes it. your thoughts. >> this is why i said, i said

this in september of 2015, in september of 2015, that donald trump would be the republican nominee of the party. not that i had some great insight into this, but i did know what the republican party had become. and donald trump didn't change the republican party. donald trump didn't change it, he revealed it. he revealed it for who they are, and that's the problem they have. just pushing donald trump off the stage is not going to even come close to solving the problem. because this is who they are. they are now the villagers who carried the torches are now in charge of the village. and so the republicans have allowed this to happen. so they have allowed all the barriers to be knocked down, they have no guardrails, nothing, and their problem is fundamentally now not what donald trump in my view, though he's a approximate problem for them, the problem is their base, because their base is completely out of sync with the sort of mainstream of america. that's the problem. and until they start speaking truth to their base, until they start saying, no, we don't

believe any of that, that's not true, that's not true, we shouldn't do that, this problem is fundamentally not going to be solved because the republican party existed before donald trump, and it's going to exist after donald trump. this is who they are. >> and michelle, you can go back to the pew research and public research institute, all their data. people who were with the tea party were motivated by fear of demographic change, anger toward groups like muslims, anger toward women, anger, a lot, toward blacks and black voting. it was the same drivers that made magaism, and everyone was like shocked, oh, my god, the republicans like trump? yeah, because he expressed anger at all of those exact same groups. now you have tea partiers like matt gaetz and ted cruz saying, we don't want mitch mcconnell to be the leader of the party in the senate anymore and we don't want kevin mccarthy who are non-tea partiers. they want to go to like jim

jordan, back to the tea party people. right? >> i think that there are both, with donald trump, there's both continuity with what the republican party was beforehand, and certain radical breaks. i wrote a book that came out in 2006, the subtitle was the rise of christian nationalism, so i have obviously been concerned about the far right of the republican party for quite some time. at the same time, i do think that there are things that are particularly sinister about donald trump. i think there is a level of shamelessness and chaos and sort of blatant criminality that is distinct. it's been interesting to see how many of the election deniers, kari lake aside, how many of the election deniers who have run for various offices have not had the audacity that trump had to try to stir up the mob against their own losses. there's a specific sociopathy that i think trump has, but i also don't think the alternatives to trump are going to be more idealogically

moderate. they will, i think, be a little more orderly. >> exactly. look, matt, trump took maga and gave it a king. and tied it to a very right-wing meme jesus. he took it and added the christian nationalism to it. i'm sorry, you were going to say something. go ahead. >> what i wanted to say is what's amazing and i agree with what michelle said. what's amazing though is yes, donald trump did those things. but what happened is the republican party said, that's fine by us. right? it went from, donald trump did all these sort of things that are anti-norms, but now the republican party has said, that's fine. what i think it's revealed, what i think it's going to show is people have to -- look at kari lake. kari lake acts the most like donald trump. of all the candidates. and what you saw was not -- there's not some issue lineup, not a whole degree of issues they all agree on other than the fact they don't like democracy. they all seem to agree on that. they don't like democracy.

what they do all is act in this mean, indecent, coarse format, and because they have realized they can do that, and stir up the republican base in the course of this, so if we get past donald trump and the republican party as the nominee, it's going to be a mean, coarse, indecent person because that's what's now become acceptable. >> it's the reason they like desantis, michelle. they only like him because of how mean he is. he's a little guy, like a little mean guy. and the reality is, the only thing we're missing from this, what you both have put together, is that at the top of the tea party, where the super rich elite. it was the koch brothers, the mercers. that's who was funding it because they want the mean as bread and circuses for working class white folks so they can get the only thing they care about, the precious tax cuts for the rich. they don't want to pay taxes. they don't want social security, because they don't want to pay taxes. sometimes when they're honest

like mike lee, they say it, and their voters vote for them again. ron johnson and mike lee said, we're getting rid of your social security, and they're like, yeah, but the blacks can't vote, right? we're good. it's like, there's nothing, there's no cruelty that their voters won't take because it's demographic panic pushing it. i don't know how else to say it. >> i think one thing that might have changed with this midterms is the midterms have demonstrated there's a price for that sort of naked cruelty. for the last five years there's been impunity for it. one of the reasons donald trump stroked all of the erogenous zones of the right is because he gave them permission to act on their baseless impulses and said there would be impunity. now we have seen a lot of consequences for the party that cackled at the assault on nancy pelosi's husband, we have seen consequences for the party that has been kind of indifferent to the plight of 10-year-old rape victims. and i think that that might lead to, if not a change of heart, at

least a sort of level of hypocrisy that acknowledges there's some things you shouldn't say out loud. >> yeah, because the reason they're so mad at the word woke is that woke just means aware. to substitute aware whenever you hear them they say wokeness, because young people are aware. and they hate that young people are empathetic. not all of them, there are still a lot of maga ones in there, but the younger people including younger white people, are not having the mean. they don't like it, and they can't get them to vote for it. that's their problem. michelle and matthew, thank you very much. we're awaiting an update in the most closely watched governor's race in america, updated totals could be coming at any moment from arizona, and we'll bring that to you when it happens. >> coming up on "the reidout," the importance of the georgia run-off and that 51st seat in the senate that makes all the difference. "the reidout" continues after this. r this ("this little light of mine") - [narrator] in the world's poorest places, children with cleft conditions live in darkness and shame. they're shunned, outcast, living in pain.

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years. while president biden has an incredible two years, 50 seats only retains the status quo. 51 seats with a victory in georgia senate run-off in december 6th really, really matters. because it would reduce the ability of the senators two conservative democrats, to play the obstruction game. joining me now is senator chris murphy of connecticut, and senator, thank you so much for being here. we are hearing that there's forward movement on one potentially bipartisan bill to codify same-sex marriage. something in the ether, but it's so rare to get republicans to vote for anything righteous. they're very much set on voting as a block to stop anything that president biden wants to do. so make the case against those who are saying the 51st seat doesn't matter, the georgia race is now immaterial? >> well, i think this has to sit in context of the crisis that republicans are going through right now. they have not yet decided who is going to lead them in the senate, and there's an argument

being made by many in the senate that they frankly weren't obstructionists enough in the last two years, that they gave democrats just a little built of wiggle room on priority issues like infrastructure, gun violence, and so there is a real possibility that in the next two years, you aren't going to be able to find sangal republican vote for anything, which means democrats are going to have to do everything from pass budgets to keep the government open and operating, never mind move forward the priorities that we think 90% of the american public still are with us on, like protecting democracy, making health care more affordable. so it is really important to have a democratic majority, but it does make a difference to have 50 versus 51. it means that no one democratic senator has veto ability over the entirety of the agenda. there's another piece of this which is people don't know in a 50/50 senate, all the committees are equally divided, republicans and democrats. and there's no vice president to break a tie in a committee.

so good things get stuck in committees based on tie votes. there will no longer be tie votes in committees if we have a 51-seat majority. it's just a much more governable place if you have 51 versus 50. >> and i mean, for those whose eyes glaze over when we start talking about committees, understand, people who are watching this through the tv, nearly every progressive piece of progress that's passed in from the 20th and 21st century passed with more than 60 votes for democrats in the senate. from the new deal to the great society, medicare, medicaid, social security because democrats had north of 60 votes. the civil rights act, the voting rights act, obamacare could not pass until democrats got that 60th vote. having 60 democratic senators is the only way you have basically any progressive legislation that exists in the modern era. biden has said they don't have enough votes, cow don't have

enough votes to pass the codification of roe v. wade, but here's what democrats could have passed had they had one more seat. ending the filibuster and codifying abortion rights. protecting voting rights, police reform, gun reform legislation, you know, even the things that are coming up soon. funding the government, not letting us go into a debt crisis. marriage equality, funding ukraine, can any of that get done even if you have 51 seats? don't you need that 52nd? >> this is difficult so long as we have this anti-democratic rule in the united states senate that requires you to get a super majority. our founder fathers are turning over in their graves right now. they never intended for legislation to need 60 votes. a 60% threshold in the united states senate. they designed it as something that was intentionally hard to get big things passed into law. without the 60 vote majority.

but, a lot of this will depend on what happens in the republican autopsy over what occurred in this election. it may be that republicans don't want to be on the continual wrong side of 90% of americans that think we should have tougher gun laws and maybe that republicans don't want to side with donald trump and oppose ukraine aid. so there maybe is a potential for republicans to join us on handful of these things if they see the only path to electoral success in 2024 running through getting off the sideline on these very popular issues like supporting ukraine or tightening up our gun laws. but that remains to be seen. as i said, there's also a potential they take the opposite tack, they decide to make governance as hard as possible. this is all going to happen in conversations that they have in the coming days. >> before i let you go, i know you're big on trying to force gun reform is another thing that's incredible hard to get through. you had that shooting at uva, tragically, three football

players were killed by another former player who came back and shot folks up on campus. can anything like gun reform get done in your view with 51 votes? does that make it more possible? >> well, there's certainly a possibility to get more done. we got 65 votes for the gun violence bill we passed last summer. and if you look at the exit polls in this election, you see that the vast majority of americans want tighter gun laws and that majority is voting for democrats by a 4 to 1 margin. once again, republicans are going to have a hard time win figure they don't support additional legislation beyond what we passed this last year. let's be honest, there are more guns in this country than people right now. this nation is awash in weapons and until you do something about stopping the black market trade of weapons, until you get these ar-15s off the street, you'll continue to see tragedies like you saw on two college campuses today. >> yeah, at least treat ar-15s

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back in 2021, after democrats won both of georgia's run-off elections and with them the u.s. senate majority, georgia republicans fought like hell to prevent that from ever happening again. passing an anti-voter law to make it harder to vote, including during run-offs. once again, a pivotal georgia senate race is heading to a run-off between raphael warnock and herschel walker. there will only be four weeks between the run-off, which means less time to vote early in person and tight windows for ballots. early voting will be barred on one of the saturdays before the final run-off voting day because state law prohibits in-person early voting on saturdays if a holiday is within two days beforehand. those holidays are thanksgiving, but also, get this, a state holiday created to honor confederate general slave holder and racist icon robert e. lee, with voters, especially black

voters, up against a garbage holiday, and all this voter suppression, how does one reignite voter enthusiasm for the state's third senate run-off in three years. joining me is latosha brown, who in 2020 helped turn georgia blue, and tia mitchell, washington correspondent for the atlanta journal constitution. tia mitchell, i want to start with you because it seems gabriel sherman who is the guy who deals with elections in georgia and also their secretary of state, brad raffensperger, got this wrong. went on tv and claimed that there would be saturday voting, turns out that was wrong. there were threats of lawsuits. how can it be that this jim crow law is going to make it harder for folks to vote and these two state officials didn't know it? >> yeah, so there is a lot of debate now, as you mentioned, mark elias put out a memo saying the law is being misinterpreted and he does believe that saturday voting could be

possible, but what gabriel sterling and brad raffensperger have said is their attorneys reviewed the law, and they don't think it's possible, and that they basically misspoke. this all, as you mentioned, comes as a result of that new election law, and we know, even when that law was being debated, reporters like me and my colleagues at the ajc asked republicans, why are you doing this? they didn't have a clear answer. it was apparent that a lot of the changes that republicans implemented in senate bill 202 was in direct response to the democrat successes in 2020 and those 2021 run-offs. one of them is changing the game, changing how run-offs are done. >> yeah, and you know, latasha, we all know, if you know a little bit of american history, the whole purpose for run-offs is to prevent the reconstruction from happening again, so even if you win in a majority, if black

candidates choose person-x and win in a majority, they get a 50, there's a do-over. i think never trust brian kemp when it comes to voting or anyone in his regime. is this going to obstruct the work of people who like your organization, try to get particularly black voters out to the polls? >> i think it certainly makes it more difficult. let's be honest. they changed the law that shortened the period for people to vote, then on top of that, a saturday, an early voting day, now we lost that. even in that same law, what it says, it says to reschedule to be able to provide early voting as soon as possible, which means he could literally actually have it on that tuesday or wednesday if he chose to before the holiday or even the saturday after. so here it is, you're going to cut out a day but not provide a remedy when he has the right to provide a remedy. you know, what we also know is that at the end of the day, what we're seeing is part of sb-202, we have said this all along. it was created to suppress the vote. what i believe is organizations

such as ours have decided we're not going to back down. ultimately, we're organizing to make sure we get people out, but yes, we're seeing tactic after tactic after tactic to restrict access to the ballot, but i think many groups like ours are really frustrated and are really fired up and we're going to organize to make sure we get our people out. >> and when you think about it, the fact democrats have to fight for this one 51st seat when they could have had two more. i think about north carolina, we talked about this. i think about wisconsin. let me show you this, in georgia, white voters comprised 62% of the vote. black voters are 28% of the vote. there's a reason they want to obstruct black voters, because 90% of black voters supported warnock over herschel walker. then you go to wisconsin where black voters are a much smaller share, 6% of the vote, but 40% of the makeup of milwaukee, they voted overwhelmingly for mandela barnes, but the turnout was horrible.

the barnes campaign didn't do a great job in getting them out. same thing in north carolina. are democrats not focusing enough on doing more than just counting on argizations like yours to do all the work, and thought doing more get out the vote with black voters specifically because they do often provide the margins of victory? >> oh, absolutely. campaigns take resources. what we have seen, even in this election, many groups on the ground in georgia have been talking about we have not seen the resources on the ground we saw in 2018, although many of us felt like it was a more critical race. now here we are with groups who have expended their resources, we put a lot of human capital to not only get the vote out but address the voter suppression we had to overcome because of sb-202. nition, i think if we're serious about it, we have to recognize, and i have said this repeatedly, we're not just in an air war, it's a ground war. it's not polls that win elections, it's people. we have to be able to touch, organize, canvas, and get those people to vote. >> organizations like yours and

stacey abrams' work and groups that have done ought laof work to get the vast majority of georgians to vote, but you have to turn people out, and that costs money. tia, i want to go to you on the other side. it's obvious what the case would be for warnock. re-elect him, prevent this candidate who is not qualified to replace him, and the passion will be for warnock and keeping him in office. on the other side, they're fighting about whether they can have ron desantis who has moved not one election outside of florida, or trump, and they both won't work together. what is the argument that the campaigns are making for walker if there is one? >> so one of their big arguments is no longer on the table, which was a vote for walker will help republicans control the senate. so that's off the table. but what we're still seeing from walker's campaign is that, you know, they keep on tying warnock to joe biden. they say he votes for joe biden too often. he doesn't speak for georgians. he's not the right person for

georgia, and so that's really been walker's kind of pitch to voters, is that what he offers is more aligned with what voters in georgia want, and voters in georgia don't want a rubber stamper for joe biden. they want someone who is going to be more conservative, have more conservative values and principles in that seat in the senate. >> then the pastor of ebenezer baptist church? >> you know. >> you know, it's interesting because one of the things they often make is they underestimate black voters so i think what we're going to see that we don't need a walker. we need somebody who is going to run and fight for us. >> take two minutes and go listen to that sermon, because lord, jesus. welcome to the show, thank you both very much. coming up, we'll get an update from steve, map daddy coming back on the big boards. latest on that right after this comrmths break.

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anything in yellow is uncalled. right now, republicans have at least 212 seats. 218 you need for the majority. democrats at least 206. that meas there are 17 uncalled races. uncalled democratverses republican races to get to 218. republicans, their magic number is six. they have to win six from this list, and for democrats, their magic number is 12. they have to win a dozen from this list. and the republicans have by far right now the easier path to hit that 218 number. a lot of it has to do with what we're waiting on right now in arizona. the sixth district of arizona, i'm going to show you here, part of that is in pima county where any minute we're expecting a big release of votes. you see the republican advantage has been climbing in this district. it's now nearly 3,000 votes, and the pima portion of this district has been friendly in these most recent updates to the republicans. this is one republicans could be in the next few minutes poised to extend their lead and the democrats will need a good update from pima county from the pima portion of this district.

also, the first district of arizona, when we get the maricopa county numbers which we're expecting somewhere around the top of the hour here, dave schweikert, the republican incumbent did well in last night's maricopa county update. if he does it again, he could build a lead that democrats couldn't catch. that could be two for republicans, and there are several others where republicans are in very good position. you look at the 22nd district of new york, this is around syracuse. i'm told we just got results from pima county. so i'm going to go out to the arizona governor's race here. and see what -- because this is a big update. they said 24,000 votes would be released. 24,000 votes have been released out of pima county. it's where tucson is. it's the second biggest in the state. you can see the lead for katie hobbs, the democrat now, in the governor's race, has moved up to north of 29,000 votes. i'm sorry, say again?

what were you saying, adam? okay. i thought we were getting something else there. i thought i heard something else and i didn't. 29,000-vote lead state-wide for katie hobbs. this was significant because again we expected this update from pima county of 24,000 votes to break the democrats' way. it did break the democrats' way. that's about what we expected, a net gain of nearly 4,000 votes for hobbs in the state-wide tally. that sets the stage for what's going to be coming any time starting about 15 minutes from now. officials have indicated in maricopa county that somewhere in the 8:00 hour east coast time they are going to release their final giant batch of votes. and this is from by far the biggest county in the state. you can see the stakes for kari lake, this really is, this is her hail mary pass. what's coming up in maricopa county. she has now fallen behind nearly 30,000 votes state-wide. we're talking about a very specific type of vote that's

going to be reported out of mare acopa county at 8:00. these are mail-in ballots voters dropped off at the polls on election day. this has been a somewhat republican friendly batch of votes as it's been tallied the last few nights, but lake has not been hitting nearly the numbers she needs to hit. she doesn't just need to win the next batch of votes and cut a few thousand votes off katie hobbs' lead. she needs to win it overwhelmingly, talking mid-60s or something like that. so a very big moment in this governor's race with that release from pima county we just got, a very big moment. we could be about ten minutes away from in arizona. >> wow. it's going down to the wire, but it's like kind of a wide wire at this point. steve kornacki, wave your hands before 8:00 if you get anything else. thank you very much. >> with those additional numbers coming in from maricopa county, as those additional numbers come in, we'll go right back to steve and bring them to you. >> meanwhile, new accusations about trump's misuse of power

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i can't wait to squad up. i love it when you talk nerdy to me. guy, guys, guys, we're still in session. >> and his ongoing effort to and i don't know what the heck you're talking about. belittle has body rhonda sanchez, last week donald trump claimed without evidence that as president used the fbi to secure florida's 2018 election from being stolen from desantis. that raises a lot of eyebrows. if the justice department ought to be looking into another potential crime by the former president. rick scott was screaming but fraudulent voting, well desantis has already been called on election night. and while there is no evidence, the fact that trump casually dropped the idea that he would use the fbi to flip an election is a good reminder of who he

is. he reportedly wanted to take the irs on his political opponents. staying on brand, he was a no-show today for his deposition for the january six committee which you subpoenaed last month. subpoena, if you're trump? and the last hour the committee released a statement saying that donald trump like some of his closest allies is hiding from the select committee investigation. refusing to do it more than 1000 witnesses have done. donald trump had a scheme of the presidential election, block the cancel power so he's obligated to provide answers to the people. in the days ahead, they litigation regarding the former noncompliance. he may not want to see more bodies attempted q. trump backing the -- he sought to hang it is now speaking out. joining me now, the congressional reporter for the guardian. the former prosecutor msnbc analyst. charles, i do want to start

with. you can trump just blew off the subpoena legally? >> well, the answer to that is no. he can't. he was trying to block the subpoena from forces that were compelling to testify. they have not been compelled to basically go against their well -- in court that is gonna take some time. he can run out the clock and as it intended to do it -- for the committee to press forward in court, it is a question of how much protection, how many rights to the former president have. not a sitting president but the former president have. it's a willingness to cooperate with congress. well this is a case for

impression for some, i do you think it is a question that is important and answering. i do think they should press forward. >> this is a president, an ex president i should say who was blown off and got away with -- not just taking classified documents, but had him in his desk not even a box pretending to store them accurately. he has gotten away with. that i want to talk about this idea of blowing off the committee. i want to play for you mike pence who has finally said things that sounds normal and about what he went through on january six. this is mike pence. >> it angered me but it turned right daughter who is standing nearby. i said it doesn't take courage to break the law. it takes courage to uphold the law. their words were reckless, it's clear he decided to be part of the problem. >> you are reporting that

donald trump is now suing again to block the january six committee from getting records that are important. that's part of the subpoena as well. is there anything new reporting that might say that they could talk to the committee rather than just reporters. and celibacy thank the committee is at the stage now we're writing the report in terms of the timeline they have to start finishing their work out there. but i think the one that will be interested in talking the justice department, he seems to have an in fact we all know he has more insight into the conversations that he had with trump. that is really when it starts to open up. that's where this goes next. i think the doj will be interested in talking to him. they were trying to do with the

details with the trump on january 6th. those the conversations that really matter. >> so, if the doj decides to duplicate what the committee has done and subpoena donald trump to talk about what he did in january 6th. . a navy to talk about the classified records. can he blow them off the way he has been the committee off? if you did try to do that, in theory what would happen? >> he could try but they would have a less successful time. flew, we are less we are expecting new congress being installed for the january six committee. that question will be removed with a guard -- the doj has limited resources, they will be able to fight that in court. ultimately, they could get a order where they are in

contempt. he does not comply whether the federal grandeur the doj intent to intervene as part of a criminal investigation. >> on saturday night live the other, night dave chappelle made a really good point that a lot of the reasons people like trump that he can justify the law. they never saw anyone just flagrantly do it. and for a lot of people it's shocking to think that the reality when it took one document spent five years in prison. the skylight early has gotten about taking classified documents, nothing happened and he threatened to 60 irs local components. nothing's happened and he gets a subpoena from january six committee. he blows it off. how much impunity at this point you are the reporter. here to the trump folks feel he is untouchable for any crime? >> if you talk to people close to the president, including his in-house councils they really see a lot of the investigation around him.

part of the discussion that they have, each time they feel they are feeling very emboldened. he was denouncing his candidacy before the fact that garland signed off on the search warrant is an indication. >> well, they do this -- thank you both very much. we are moments away from the governor's race. stay right here with chris hayes right now. hayes right now.