to be in the script. >> all right. the guardian's hugo lowell getting ready for the quote unquote big announcement tonight at mar-a-lago. thank you very much, and thank you, the viewer, for getting up "way too early" with us on this tuesday morning. we have "morning joe" starting right about now. on saturday, former president trump's younger daughter tiffany got married at mar-a-lago. the only issue at the wedding, they were supposed to have a ton of seats but somehow trump lost them all. >> it was an emotional weekend for trump because he gave away a daughter and the senate on the same night, on saturday night. >> now that so many of his candidates got creamed, republicans are advising him to delay his announcement until after the senate runoff in georgia. and so he's going to announce tomorrow. advisers to the former president say he's eager to start attacking other potential gop

hopefuls saying i would expect him to come out swinging, which sounds scary at first, but when he comes out swinging, it looks like this. another trump-backed election denier falls. this time, kari lake in arizona. as nbc news calls the governor's race there for democrat katie hobbs. lake has responded, but has not yet concede ed. we'll have that and the reaction from liz cheney that has now gone viral. plus, the new reporting that shows donald trump spent more money trying to defeat republicans than he did in any single battle ground state. >> what? >> also, the new polling that shows republicans in key states have moved on from trump to ron desantis for 2024. we'll have those numbers for you. also house minority leader

kevin mccarthy tries to piece together support needed to become house speaker should republicans win the majority. that apparently included the effort to get a powerful democrat to switch sides. we'll have that new reporting as well. a lot going on this morning. >> a lot going on. and arizona, now, this is a state everybody talked about. it was like the most extreme. unbelievable. >> it's incredible and last night, kari lake, well, she should be conceding, but now she's decided to just sort of do that thing, that denying thing, all of a sudden everything is wrong with the election that she had. >> everyone could have seen this coming. she was seeding the ground for weeks and months and going back to the 2020 election, saying the elections are corrupt. they're not of course the katie hobbs has been called the winner, the democrat, to your point there were a lot of election deniers across the country but arizona was the one people were worried about.

republicans hoped from the top of the ticket on down to have election deniers in there so the 2024 election, many said this out loud, they could call into question the results and stop the certification of the results if joe biden or whoever runs for president wins in the state of arizona. well, last night the governor's race given to katie hobbs. mark kelly hangs on against blake masters, the secretary of state race, the most concerning of all, mark finchem, he lost, the attorney general race is the only one out there, too close to call. up and down the ballot in arizona, election deniers were wiped out. >> really probably the most purple of all states. this is a state that had voted from republicans from harry truman for joe biden for president of the united states, and now arizona, this red hot

red state goes blue and '18, goes blue in '20, goes blue in '22. you look at all of the republicans candidates that lost there, the constitutional offices in arizona are most likely going to be all blue. both senators in the state of arizona, blue. democratic blue. the governor in the state of arizona, democratic blue. and really, it's really gone from, again, the state that caused the most concern for democrats and independents and republicans who care about democracy. >> right. >> and fair and free elections to actually -- >> up and down the ballot. >> yeah, the greatest example. the greatest example of how what donald trump was selling was poison for political candidates. and that voters rejected donald

trump and his denialism and his lying about american democracy and his attempt to tear down american democracy. how they rejected in the most dramatic ways. we'll have new comments from mike pence which are not so flattering for donald trump as well. along with joe, willie, and me, we have white house editor for "politico" sam stein, former chief of staff to the dccc, adrienne elrod, senior aide to the hillary clinton and biden presidential campaign, and national political correspondent for "axios," jonathan swan. he will soon be joining "the new york times." congratulations, john. >> let's just say, jonathan, we love "axios," we don't consider this to be a promotion because "axios" is great. we love "the new york times." you know, i love everybody. i will say this, though, it will be nice not having to go into the office monday morning after

the packers lost and van dehigh is throwing things around the office. you don't have to do that anymore. >> it's worse than you imagine. it's much worse than you imagine. >> can you wear the cheese head. >> that's his first story at the "times." >> might have to speak out. as we said, nbc news decision desk projects democrat katie hobbs has defeated republican kari lake in the race to become arizona's next governor. last night, nbc's steve kornacki explained how the call was made. >> from that point forward, kari lake's campaign, and republicans were all saying just wait until you get to the same day dropoff, the mail-in ballots people dropped off at the polls on election day. 300,000 out of maricopa county. that's going to be what delivers

the election to kari lake. that was going to deliver the senate race to blake masters and we've had three or four days now consecutively of updates that have included those ballots, and every time we've gotten them, the numbers have just not been there for kari lake. she was in a position where she was throwing a hail mary pass here, and she did not get what she needed. >> former local news television anchor turned right wing super star, kari lake's embrace of former president donald trump launched her to the forefront of the far right's grievance politics. lake has been claiming fraud since before winning her primary in august, and has continued to sow doubt in the general election. last night, after nbc news called the race for hobbs, lake tweeted quote, arizonians know bs when they see it. >> yes, they see it. she sets herself up as a

straight man to all of arizona by tweeting that. >> you should have seen the tweets in response to that. we'll just leave it there. kari's very mad. >> it's pretty remarkable. so sam stein. "the washington post" was reporting last night that over the weekend, kari lake's team set up a war room, and the idea was to prepare her for this loss, hoping these people who obviously want her to have a future in politics that she wouldn't follow donald trump's script. that she wouldn't, you know, come out and say the sort of things she said last night regarding election denying, and it just looks, you know, who knows, maybe she'll be at mar-a-lago tonight. but it's hard to believe that any politician that wants a future in the republican party or any party would embrace election denying when you look how this is the most fertile ground politically, republicans

were going to have if you look at inflation, you look at the economy, you look at biden's approval ratings, you look at gas prices and yet the election deniers all rejected outright. >> yeah, i mean, it's a remarkable slate of defeats in a cycle that should have been theirs by historical standards. you know, there's a couple of take aways you can grab theory. one is election denialism. simply does not sell. especially if you're running to have key input and oversight over your state's elections. i don't think voters are comfortable with the idea you might destroy faith in democracy, simply put. the other thing i have taken away is that sort of traditional politics actually does matter, right? a lot of these candidates who were put up for office had never actually interacted one on one with voters. lake may be an exception because she was a local tv anchor. blake masters had never spent time with, you know, local union

halls or local voters. herschel walker, similar situation. this is a case where you want to have institutional knowledge of your state, of how democracy works, of how to meet and greet voters to turn them out, and celebrity candidates, yes, it worked for trump, but maybe cannot be replicated in every state going forward. that might be the lesson the republican party learns from this, we need to get back to the basics. >> we have said time and again on this show, everybody thought after ronald reagan won, it's transferable to the next candidate. no, it's not. there have been people in mike pence is the latest example who have been really bad imitators of what ronald reagan did and how he cocked his head, and they think there's magic. it wasn't transferable. barack obama's coalition, not transferable, and the fact that donald trump can do what donald

trump can do because he was a celebrity, because he fought with the "new york post" and the daily news and the "new york times" throughout his entire life and figured out how to brawl with them. i won't say come out on top but just to survive day in and day out, blake masters doesn't know how to do that. and kari lake was pretty good for what she did, but, you know, being a local reporter in arizona is a little different than getting hammered by the anyway post and "daily news" every day if you're donald trump. the skill is not transferable. though kari lake, again, was better than most of them in her political skill set. i think what makes this such a stinging loss, i would think for kari hobbs. >> kari lake. >> kari lake. for donald trump, people who

expected her to win is what democrats were telling me a month out, which is katie hobbs, she's not the strongest candidate. when i say something like that on the air i don't say it on the air unless i'm hearing it from a ton of democrats in arizona. she's not that strong of a candidate. she won't debate. we're trying to get they are to debate. she won't go on the campaign trail. she's in hiding. and democrats were very concerned about it, and i say the morning after she won. kari lake lost, and i think that is the ultimate rebuke to kari lake and the denialism. even when you have a candidate that's not doing all the right things, that's not debating, that's not taking the campaign to the people of arizona the way democrats wanted her to, kari lake still lost. >> yeah, that's right, joe, and look, you can debate, we can debate all day whether or not she should have debated. whatever her strategy was it

worked. >> she won. >> and she won. exactly. she won, and she won by, you know, it was a close race, but she won by a relatively as far as, you know, races in arizona go, a pretty comfortable margin as we saw last night. we'll see how the rest of the votes come in, the few that are remaining. but look, i think sam made such a really good point, which is a lot of voters are just wanting to get back to the backseats. elected officials that represent them that are, you know, understand the state and have done all the work and moved their way up through the system. they're not looking for the flashing start. they're not looking for the donald trump acolyte. i think that's what we saw here in arizona. we certainly saw it across the country in different races. you look, joe, at the trajectory from 2016 when a lot of the american voters said we don't want an establishment candidate. we don't want someone who has served in public office for a

long time. and you watch where we are now going back to 2022. it's like the pendulum has swung back to a desire and need for people who have experience, who have served in public service before, who know their state very well, who know their constituents and who are most importantly in it for the right reasons. >> jonathan swan, in her attempt to mimic donald trump, kari lake made a closing argument that included attacking arizona republicans. she said, we don't have any mccain republicans in here, do we. this was november 4th. this is a closing argument at a rally. all right, get the hell out to mccain republicans. arizona has delivered some loser, haven't they. calling john mccain a loser and here she is at cpac in august saying something along the same lines. >> we may have won this battle, and i won an epic battle in

arizona. [ applause ] we drove a stake through the heart of the mccain machine. >> well, jonathan swan, that's one way to try to win statewide, to attack an american icon and a hero in the state of arizona. and the very set of voters you're going to need to win a close election. >> and you can see that because republicans down ballot have done better than her. this is sort of puzzlement among kari lake allies, like how could this be. we're looking at the numbers, and it seems that these fairly anonymous milk/toast republicans down ballot are out performing us. how on earth? well, there are still some mccain republicans that live in arizona. and she told them was it get the hell out. you can understand that -- forget ethics, morality, just from a tactical point of view

you can understand that in a republican primary in arizona. there's a very energized republican base in that state, which despised john mccain, but to use that in a general election, four days before the election, it just makes no tactical sense. so, yes, and what people were talking about before. i can't overstate to how how much the trump world was banking on kari lake. she was their star. she was someone that they saw as potentially a vice presidential pick. potentially someone that could succeed him, run for national office, run for president down the track. she was someone they put a lot of chips into, and trump world was fully behind her. allies were campaigning. this was a stinging loss. more so than any of the other gubernatorial losses across the country. >> and you look at her attacking john mccain. you look a her attacking a

republican icon. you look at her attacking voters who voted for a guy who was considered to be a mainstream conservative/moderate republican who was extraordinarily successful in arizona. again, this goes back to trumpism not being transferable. yes, donald trump in a primary attacked john mccain and he survived in a primary. but what i have been saying for years is that politics is a game of addition. and not a game of subtraction. at the beginning of the trump era, there were several aides who got on tv and said some outrageous things, and i actually called them up, said listen, politics is a game of addition, not subtraction, stop attacking people. try to bring people together. and willie, i wasn't doing that.

i've said that to everybody. i don't say it to be a do gooder. that's how you actually get things done. that's how you actually get things accomplished, but people have drawn, kari lake, the last of them, have drawn the wrong lessons from donald trump. again, his skills aren't transferable. but here's the other thing. he lost the popular vote in 2016 by 3 million votes. he admitted to me personally after that election that the election could have been held in ten days. he would have lost nine of the ten days, everything fell perfectly that one day. trump republicans lost in 2017. in off year races. they lost in 2018 massively in off year races. they lost in 2019. even losing governorships in louisiana, and kentucky to democrats. they lost in 2020.

let me say it again. donald trump, the only one term president since herbert hoover to win the house, and senate and white house in one term. now the most stinging rebuke in 2022, they lost one race after another after another that donald trump got involved in. because they're trying to be mini trumps. i would say it doesn't work for you, and if you look at the record, it doesn't work for donald trump. the guy is one and six right now. he is, you know a pitcher to borrow mitt romney's phrase from last night, he's an old ageing pitcher who wasn't really even good back in his day. he's one and six, and the party has been trying to model themselves after this guy. >> that's what i don't understand. >> and again, we have been saying it over and over again

and people are like, you used to be a republican, now you're a big lib just like liz cheney. both of us have like a 95 acu rating, which i would just tell you, if people knew how conservative that was, i would not be invited to events in manhattan, the greater manhattan island, nor would liz, but the thing is, i'm saying it because i want a strong republican party, and a strong democratic party. i want a republican party that actually is invested in american democracy like the democratic party that's invested in american democracy. this guy loses, willie, and why do they keep following him and are they going to follow him tonight? >> to your point, joe, in swing state races, the major races where donald trump backed a candidate, so we're talking about governor. we're talking about senate, secretary of state. joe lombardo won in nevada. he became the governor of nevada

by 14,000 votes. ron johnson held his seat by a slim margin in wisconsin. herschel walker is tbd, otherwise they all lost. in arizona, doug ducey, the republican governor won just four years ago by 14 points. it wasn't close. now kari lake -- >> in a bad year for republicans. >> and now kari lake has handed that seat back to democrats. you mentioned liz cheney, she played a role in kari lake's defeat as well, by saying this to a room full of college students at a forum last month in arizona. >> i say this as somebody who, you know, my first vote i ever cast, i was 18 years old and i voted for ronald reagan so for almost 40 years now i've been voting republican. i don't know that i have ever voted for a democrat. but if i lived in arizona now, i absolutely would. and for governor and for

secretary of state, and i think, you know, we cannot be in a position where we elect people who will not fundamentally uphold the sanctity of elections, that's got to be more important than anything else. >> that was early october, an ad campaign targeting lake and mark finchem, who was the republican nominee for secretary of state in arizona. finchem lost her election as well. lake saying her team is receiving more donations because of it. after nbc called the governor's race last night for hobbs, cheney responded to lake on twitter writing quote, you're welcome. so there you have it. liz cheney gets the last word in arizona. >> yes, she does. kari lake just keeps setting herself up. >> she does. >> i mean, and again, sam stein,

arizonians know bs when they see it, and then setting liz cheney, who is is, abbott or costello, she is the straight man for arizona. >> good old abbot and costello reference on "morning joe," a classic of the genera. yes. to your point, it's all about addiction versus subtraction. if you spend the entire campaign telling people to get out, telling people they're losers, begging off moderate republicans or republicans that don't think like you, it becomes harder to win. and i think what kari lake is waking up to today is that she, you know, did not -- the big bet that she could just plow her way forward and energize enough maga republicans in her state, enough liz cheney haters, enough john mccain haters that it didn't work. i think the republican party writ large is waking up to the

idea that bullying your way through a primary may work but through a general election is a lot harder. >> one last thing, i mentioned the swing states that donald trump lost in his endorsements. he backed jd vance, though most aren't considering ohio a swing state. a few other stories we're following this morning, police investigating the murders of four university of idaho students can giving few details as to what happened. officers found the victims, a man and three women sunday afternoon at an off campus apartment. yesterday police identified them but did not give anymore information. in an interview with the "new york times," the mayor of musco, idaho, described it as a crime of passion and the county coroner told the paper the deaths were not the result of a murder suicide. despite all of that, they do not believe there's a threat to the

public. jay leno was hospitalized for severe burns. he was in the garage where he stores his cars when one of them erupted into flames without warning burning the left side of his face. in a statement, leno said i got serious burns from a gasoline fire. i'm okay. i need a week or two to get on my feet. and the fda announces children being poisoned by a cough medicine. from 2010 to 2018, calls to poison control involving the drug benzonotate, inappropriate use of the drug can lead to health problems in children, including convulsions, cardiac arrest and death. doctors are urging to use caution when prescribing the

medicine and parents are reminded to keep their prescription drugs out of the reach of children. >> and still ahead on "morning joe," the latest from the g20 summit overseas where world leaders today are putting the focus on the war in ukraine and its global impact. plus, gop senate candidate herschel walker calls out his party for deceptive fundraising practices and his campaign seems to be looking specifically at former president trump. >> wait. >> i'm so confused. >> how could you have ever known that donald trump would use your name to make money to take $9 and give you $1. >> we'll explain why. also ahead, pennsylvania governor-elect josh shapiro is crediting his midterm win in part to his push to connect with voters in red and rural parts of the state. we'll talk to him about what the democratic party could learn from his successful campaign. and transportation secretary

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jonathan lemire. >> and jonathan lemire, it's so good to have you over there, given all the swirling cross currents. >> so much going on. >> geopolitically, it's absolutely remarkable what happened yesterday in china, what we expect between xi and biden, what we expect today. so given indonesia's unique history, relationship to the g20 summit, willie and i wanted to ask you, i think what's the most pressing question on most people's mind in washington, d.c. right now is how in the hell did the demanders beat the eagles last night? >> you know, that was on early this morning here in bali, it was the talk of the summit, the eagles of course had been undefeated going into that game, and certainly an upset for the ages. it was the talk -- many delegations were going about that. but actually the main event, joe, was the war in russia. vladimir putin not here. he skipped it. he sent his foreign minister,

sergey lavrov who sat through, we should mention, president zelenskyy's virtual address to the g20, and then lavrov, got up, made his own speech, and he went through the usual lies as to why russia invaded ukraine. we should note, though, that there had been talk of a widespread walkout among the other leaders when lavrov did speak. that didn't happen, and it's reflective of the g20, it's not the g7. the g7 are the largest democracies, they are in lock step in supporting the war in ukraine. and the g20 is a different animal. we can talk about president biden and president xi's meeting yesterday. saudi arabia, india, china, these are countries that have provided economic lifelines to russia during the conflict and did not sign on to a declaration that condemned russia's war. the phrasing instead, aggression, moscow really objected to the use of the word war, and the g20 as shied away

from it, underscoring how there are some divisions as to that conflict. >> you know, it's interesting, jonathan, joe biden obviously receiving a warm welcome at the g20. the most fascinating meeting, though, and obviously the one with the greatest implications long-term was a meeting with the president and president xi. it's hard to think back to a time when our relations with china were as low as they were going into the summit. i would guess, though, given the outcome, the white house has to be pleased. china cautiously optimistic about being able to manage its relationship with the united states in a positive term. and even front page of china's state paper showing a picture of xi and president biden warmly embracing, smiling for the cameras. is the white house pleased with how that meeting went? >> they are. they feel like there's been a little bit of a thaw in what

many fear could eventually become a cold war. we heard from president biden at his news conference yesterday, after the three-hour summit with president xi, he says a cold war is not inevitable. he also said, we heard from both him and xi jinping, both leaders of the world's two super powers said they need to find common ground. they need to find places of agreement, and they did find a few. they started talks on climate change, senior advisers from beijing and washington are going to be in regular contact again. that stopped after speaker pelosi's visit to taiwan in august. these are small but important steps, and still areas of disagreement, too, on trade, on, as mentioned, the war in ukraine, on intellectual property, and most of all, taiwan. and both parties put out statements saying their positions have not changed. china is telling the u.s., back off, taiwan is ours. we'll do what we want with it. that remains a concern going

forward. right now, a building block of a relationship was reestablished. the white house very pleased with that. a sigh of relief among the global community that that was able to happen here. >> jonathan, stay with us, as we bring into the conversation the president of the council on foreign relations, richard haass, and staff writer at "the atlantic" anne applebaum who we have a lot to talk about with today. >> richard, let's start with china. obviously expectations could not have been much lower than they were. it seems that the white house and president xi got something out of the meeting that they wanted and that was at least a conversation, an understanding of where the guardrails were in this relationship, and perhaps the possibility of positive next steps. >> sometimes with foreign policy, joe, it's not what you achieve, it's what you avoid. both the united states for obvious reasons want to avoid the taiwan issue leading to an actual conflict. what they did was put a floor

under what had been a deteriorating or plummeting relationship. all good. some slight disappointments. the chinese did not, for example, talk about north korea. they have tremendous leverage over north korea if they were ever to use it. they clearly choose not to. the language on russia was a little bit disappointing, the chinese and their statement did not single out russia really for criticism or talk about why nuclear weapons, ought not to be used. that said, what jonathan reported is spot on. there was something almost reassuring, traditional, normal about the whole meeting. leaders of countries that are fundamentally competitive disagree on most issues, still shaking hands, talking about the importance of limiting the competition, potentially finding some areas where they could do at least limited cooperation. again, it seemed like good old fashioned diplomacy. >> as you and i looked at the front pages of the papers. it said, that almost looks normal a return to normalcy.

they are whispering to each other's ears about the commanders and eagles, is jalen hurts elite, and they didn't come to a conclusion on that. that conversation will continue. let's talk about russia, though, vladimir putin not at the g20. sergey lavrov was there. he sat in the audience and watched a zoomed in deteriorates from president zelenskyy of ukraine. what is that dynamic like inside the room and out of it? >> there's still a reluctance to take on the russians. the indians the chinese, saudis, many others, they're hedging their bets. you have what we call the west that's lining up squarely for ukraine. providing economic, military, diplomatic support but a lot of the rest of the world is kind of sitting on the sidelines. one way or another helping russia, buying its oil. the good news is the chinese and others are not providing russia with military equipment, and i think it reinforces the sense that the outside world will not

change the fundamental dynamics of the war. it looks like a long war. we're not just going into winter. it's not clear either side can defeat in a military sense. i think the real question is whether, again, the west can play this for the long-term in terms of helping ukraine, but i thought what this tells us is the world doesn't like this war but isn't going to do a lot about it. >> jonathan swan has the next question. >> there's some disagreements within the biden administration as you would expect about the russia ukraine conflict, particularly between the pentagon and state department, senior levels of the pentagon are more eager to get putin and zelenskyy to a table to negotiate than the state department are, and of course bill burns, the cia director is doing very quiet diplomacy as well. talk about the diplomatic element of this and where you see that heading? is this fantasy land or do you

think there is prospect in the next month or two for something to -- for there to be a breakthrough? >> to be clear, there have been negotiations the whole time. they have been under the table conversations. conversations in turkey. even the ukrainians and the russians talk about prisoner exchanges, so this isn't quite the diplomatic breakthrough that people are making it out to be. the real question is what would be the moment when negotiations would be useful and when they would end the war for good? and that moment, i think, has not arrived yet, and as far as i know, the white house doesn't think it's arrived yet because that moment comes when the russians understand that the war was a mistake. and they begin to pull their troops out. and they understand that russian imperialism has had its day and it's over, and that's really the only way we can have a complete end to the conflict, in other words, it's not just a cease fire. not just people stop fighting for a few months and they start

again in the summer or next year, when there's a really permanent change, then we can have a conversation and we could be getting closer to that. i certainly hope so. >> jonathan, i'm curious what the reaction is in bali to people and american politics. how do they take what happened with the midterms? >> do they see biden now as stronger or how do they take the possibility of trump announcing? do they see us essentially as having gone back to normal to use the word we just used in a different context or are they still worried about what they see going on in the united states? >> diplomats that i have spoken to as well as a number of biden senior officials have relayed they have been surprised, actually, how much international interest there was here in the american midterm elections. president biden has said a number of world leaders said they were watching the balance of the senate get decided for

democrats. president biden was in cambodia, his previous stop when that happened. and there is a sense of relief that there is a sense of normalcy here. they watched that election deniers, largely, the big name ones went down to defeat. president biden is projecting that. saying that's an example that american democracy still works. that's what we are still about, and therefore our allies can be reassured by that, we are still who we are, but of course, trump looms all over this summit here in bali. there is a sense all along, the russians, chinese, saudis have been waiting biden out, thinking a trump-like figure could return to power in 2024. biden sending a signal that's not going to be the case. with trump's likely announcement later tonight, he'll be center stage again, and there will be unease among allies. america is back, we can count on

them now. will that last after the next two years. >> jonathan lemire reporting live for us from bali, thank you very much for your reporting, and analysis. and your new piece for the atlantic is entitled, the russian empire must die. tell us what you mean by that. >> i referred to it in my previous comment. we have had generations of russian reformers and liberals. none of them understood that the source of violence and the source of totalitarianism, to expand, to carry out the kinds of war crimes and brutality that we have seen in ukraine, that's always had terrible implications for russia as well. it meant that russians themselves lived in terrible fear and hardship. and this is the moment for russians to begin to say, right, it's time for the empire to end.

it's time for there to be a deep political change and my article argues that that's not impossible. we have this idea that nations are somehow condemned to be one way or the other, you know, there's something in the russian dna or the water that makes them the way they are. that's not true. nations can change. they do sometimes change. there are russians inside the country and many more outside the country who want that change, and we should be prepared for it, and we should want it to happen. >> what does that look like to you? >> so i can't predict the future but there's the possibility inside russia of a change of heart, of an anti-war movement, there's a possibility of inside the elite, people beginning to say do we really want this war. we don't want our sons dying in it. we don't want our economy destroyed by it. you could begin to have pressure

for a different kind of leader or even just a different policy. you're already hearing some of it. a part of the russian security elite is anti-putin and critical of the war being conducted. that's a piece of the story so far, a new element, and one of the reasons why putin probably held his mobilization drive to get more people to fight was because of pressure from that group. we know there's conflict inside the system. we just need it to continue. >> all right. the atlantic's anne applebaum as always, thank you so much for being with us, and richard haass, thank you for staying as well. willie geist, it's now time for our weekly cfr fantasy football report, and let's talk about what happened last night for a minute. not only everybody inside washington, d.c. but the g20 summit in indonesia, the vision of the world of at least the

existing order in the nfc east shattered, willie, your new york giants, 7-2. only one game behind the eagles. what happened last night? >> an emergency session of the philadelphia city council has been called for early this morning. we'll bring that to you live just as soon as they get started. the eagles lost to washington, they lost at home to washington. they didn't play well. they fumbled, hurts threw an interception. he could be the mvp of the league. the 7-2 miami dolphins are safe for another year. the new york giants, richard haass, neither you nor i saw this coming. we liked the new coach. thought jones would have a better year with a better offensive line, but 7-2, and one game behind the eagles in the nfc east. >> the giants have two games against the eagles, a game against the cowboys. they have the fourth toughest schedule for the rest o. season, but any of us would have, if you would have offered us 7-2.

>> wouldn't have believed you. >> this is a great start for new york. we need something we can embrace. it's been a rough year in new york sports wise. >> only made it to the als. >> alex, do we have highlights of the game last night, to show people so we can act like we're a top tier news organization. here's some random video that washington is in white, and the guys in the green are the eagles. there's jalen hurts. pass to number 15 who fumbles the ball. come on, what is this? there we have jalen hurts looking like an mvp candidate there. i didn't know because i go to sleep at 6:00 before wheel of fortune starts. the eagles damaging their prospects with one turnover after another. a lot of face masking going on there. jalen hurts again, look at this,

a little dippsy doodle we like to call it in catholic high school. it appears the coming demise of vladimir putin as well as dan snyder bringing nothing but hope to these plucky washington commanders. back to you, willie. >> the executives at espn got back, uncharacteristically quickly on a job interview and said you did not get the job to anchor sports center. i'm sorry. >> exactly. coming up, it appears the republicans will take control of the house by a slim margin. but what's not clear is if kevin mccarthy has enough votes to become house speaker. we'll get the latest reporting on that. plus, another republican lawmaker says donald trump should hold off announcing a third presidential campaign. we'll play for you those comments just ahead on "morning joe." you those comments just ahead on "morning joe.

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welcome back to "morning joe," 6:52. washington waking up to a far different world than thought they would be waking up to a week ago. and donald trump once again talking about running for president, kind of like harold strasson who said deciding to run for president wasn't the hard part, it was stopping running for president was the hard part. wait a second, you got to let me finish the context. harold ran in '64, '68, '72, he kept running and kept losing and now here we have donald trump. let me begin this right now. 3, 2, all right, donald trump's

presidential rerun by the "wall street journal" editorial page, and they write this in part, last week's election showed that clinging to 2020 election denial is a losers game. republicans who took this line to win his endorsement nearly all lost. the country showed it wants to move on, but mr. trump refuses, perhaps he just can't admit to himself that he was a loser. mr. trump will carry all of that baggage and more into a 2024 race, the gop and the country would be best served if mr. trump seeded the field to the next generation of republican leaders to compete for the nomination in 2024. if mr. trump insists on running, republican voters will have to decide if they want to nominate the man most likely to produce a gop loss and total power for the progressive left. jonathan swan, i mean, your interview served as a perfect example of how donald trump often was disconnected with

reality. another run here in an extraordinarily bad political environment for him would seem to be the least constructive thing for him to do for himself, for his political future or for the party, and yet we hear that he's moving forward tonight. what can you tell us. >> he's moving forward against the advice of key advisers. he has suffered his worst political damage among gop primary voters since the january 6th attack on the capitol. there are new polls coming out by the day. we had one in texas with a huge swing. desantis up against trump, these are head-to-head polls. the conservative group has released polls in multiple states showing desantis has moved into a lead against donald trump. and obviously these polls are early. this is a snapshot of a moment in time. but many of his advisers wanted him to delay the announcement

until after the georgia runoff. given that right now he's at, you know, potentially his weakness point that he's been in since the january 6th riot, and he's going to get up there on stage tonight and announce this campaign. his vision of all of this was claim credit for sweeping victories in the house and the senate. and then demand shows of loyalty and fealty across the party. trump thought that he was going to be in a position of strength coming out of the midterms, and be able to say, listen, i want all of you to pick a side. he can't do that anymore. you've seen a couple of people like elise stefanik who's very ambitious, and i'm told wants to be his vice president pick. she's come out and endorsed him. many have held back. even staunch allies have held back in the wake of the disastrous midterm election results. >> you know, the democrats have to be thrilled. they really have to be thrilled, and the "wall street journal" talks about this a good bit that

he's playing right into the hands of the democratic party. >> you know, he really was a democrat from the get go. who knows. >> he helped the democrats win in 2018, he helped the democrats win in 2020, in a big way in 2022, if he's on the ballot in 2024, he'll help them win in 2024. >> fourth time will be the charm. >> this will be so historic. one person has not caused this much damage to the republican party since fdr. >> jonathan swan, thank you very much. sam stein, we'll see you back tomorrow morning, hosting "way too early." thank you very much. >> sam starts the morning out right, doesn't he? >> he does. kind of eases into it. then there's swan. don't make swan left. oh, my god. >> good luck with vandehei today, good lord. it's horrible. coming up, a live report from mar-a-lago where donald

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>> welcome back to "morning joe," wow, it's tuesday, november 15th. adrienne elrod is still with us, and joining the conversation, we have msnbc contributor, mike barnicle and pulitzer prize winning columnist at "the washington post," eugene robinson. good to have both of you with us this hour. the nbc news decision desk predicts, katie hobbs has defeated kari lake in the race for arizona's next governor. a former local news television anchor turned right wing super star, kari lake's embrace of former president donald trump launched her to the forefront of the far right's grievance politics. lake has been claiming fraud since before winning her primary in august, and has continued to sow doubt in the general election, and last night, after nbc news called the race for hobbs, lake tweeted quote, arizonians know bs when they see

it. >> yes they do, and katie hobbs will be arizona's next governor. >> definitely saw it. >> willie, for about two months now, we've heard reporters and democrats coming back from arizona saying how good kari lake was on the campaign trail. and they expected her to win. you heard also, you know, sort of kind of groans about the next governor of the state of arizona saying she didn't campaign aggressively. she wouldn't debate her. they had real concerns, and yet even in that environment, backed up with an economic and political environment that should have really helped democrats in a state like arizona, what happened? once again, an election denier loses. it's pretty jarring.

it has to be very jarring for the republican party of arizona. they just keep losing races. just about every race in what should be a very red state. >> yeah, it went up and down the ballot, as we said earlier, secretary of state to governor to the senate race where mark kelly beat blake masters. what do the republicans have in common? they were backed by donald trump, and they pushed the election lie. some of them aggressively. some of them, it was the center piece of their argument, and mark finchem's case, the 2020 election was won by donald trump. it was not of course. he lost there by nearly five points, and kari lake seen by many as a future star of the republican party, even donald trump is going to make this announcement today, even as someone who might have been his running mate when he does announce to be president again, to run for president again. so yeah, this was up and down, and as you say, this was seen by a lot of analysts, the sort of ground zero of how the election denialism argument was going to play. so many concerns in arizona from

the last election, the margin was so thin, if it were thin again in 2024 with these people in power, things might have broken a different way, but now, arizona's delivering a big statement here about who they want in power, what kind of candidate they want in power, for a lot of the reasons we laid out, including a closing argument from kari lake that attacked not only john mccain, but his voters. are there john mccain voters in the room she said at a rally, get the hell out. turns out a lot of them did. >> and gene robinson, let's not forget. we keep talking about donald trump, and we keep talking about kari lake, and blake masters, and this finchem guy, and we keep talking about the republican nominees and blaming it on donald trump and these individual candidates, they were the people that the arizona republican party selected to represent them in primaries, so this problem goes far deeper.

you look at a candidate that's elected in kari lake who has learned, hey, trashing an american hero. trashing a guy who made the republican party stronger than ever in arizona. john mccain's trashing a statesman. that's good, if you're in republican circles in arizona. a good friend of mine, a guy i knew very well in congress, matt salmon, a guy respected by so many people in arizona, really good, decent guy. she asked him, would he support spending the money to put cameras in every single classroom in the state of arizona because of her fear of pedophiles. and when he said, well, i don't know that that would be practical, she then started accusing him of being pro pedophile. now, listen, she made that

outrageous claim. in the past, republican voters would have turned their back on her, but the republican voters are picking these people. donald trump puts them up, and then they go out and support them. they've gotten themselves into this mess, and the question is are they going to stop voting in the primary for insurrectionists, weirdos and freaks? >> that's the question now. arizona is the object lesson, one of the lessons of this election. but certainly, look at arizona, blake masters loses, kari lake loses, mark finchem, the secretary of state candidate loses, they're all election deniers. republicans further down the ballot did pretty well, did better. got more votes than these candidates did because if they were regular republicans, if they were not election deniers, and so there's the message.

there are enough of the donald trump/qanon republicans out there to win primaries, there are not enough of them to win general election in a state like arizona, which is a pretty republican state. i know it's been -- it's gotten purple, and it's different now, but did you think going into this cycle, going into the decade that you'd have the, you know, senator and governor and secretary of sate, which is the second highest office in arizona, all democrats. they're all democrats. paying attention to sweeping in an election. that doesn't sound like the arizona i used to know, and therefore a lot of those john mccain republicans and there's still some of them around said, hell no.

we're not, you know, we would rather have democratic control of the state than have kari lake, and that is -- that's a message that republicans nationally ought to hear. >> so and in arizona, so republicans in arizona, i know you're up this morning at 4:09 because i know you set your alarm for 4:00 and you said what's joe going to say about all of this, and this is what i'm saying, no, no, they're not. but this is a decision that arizona republicans have to make. do they want to go back to the time when john mccain was there, and maybe they didn't get 100% of what they wanted from john mccain. maybe he wasn't crazy enough for them on his issues, but guess what, republicans dominated the state when people like john mccain were winning republican primaries. now, again, they've lost both senate seats.

they have lost the governorship. they've lost the secretary of state. they're losing all of these constitutional offices. right now from 18 to 20 to 22, arizona is blue, and it's blue for one reason. i brought up matt salmon. matt would have won last night. other candidates would have won last nigh. you go to pennsylvania, chances are very good that if dr. oz had not been the nominee, you know, that race may have broken a different way. again, because of the political environment. you can go state by state by state. and it always seems like the primary voters in these states egged on in some parts by donald trump are picking the weakest candidates to win general elections. it's about owning the libs, congratulations, you're owning the libs with no power. but if it's about winning elections, maybe they need to start thinking differently, a little more strategically. >> we're actually hearing more

from former vice president mike pence's interview with abc news. he said trump engaged him and his family on january 6th, and then when asked if the former president should be reelected, pence essentially said america can do better. >> given all that you witnessed in the capitol on that day, this is a pretty straightforward question, a yes or a no, do you believe that donald trump should ever be president again? >> david, i think that's up to the american people. but i think we'll have better choices in the future. the people of this country actually get along pretty well once you get out of politics. and i think they want to see their national leaders start to reflect that same -- that same compassion. and generosity of spirit, and i think in the days ahead, i think there will billion better choices. >> better choices than donald

trump? >> and for me and my family, we'll be reflecting about what our role is in that. >> will you run for president in 2024? >> we're giving it consideration in our house. prayerful consideration. >> do you believe you can beat donald trump? >> well, that would be for others to say. and it would be for us to decide whether or not we'd want to test that. >> if you decide to run and he's up there, so be it? >> so be it. >> a laugh and so be it. former president trump is expected to make a big announcement tonight from mar-a-lago, widely speculated to be his 2024 presidential campaign kickoff. but ahead of that announcement, some republican senators are saying they hope trump will not run. senator mitt romney of utah blaming the former president for the party's poor performance in the midterms and senator cynthia loomis of wyoming saying trump is no longer the leader of the

republican party. >> i wish he would wait until after december 6th, yeah, so i'm kind of disappointed that if he announces something that it will be a distraction from the georgia race. >> will you endorse him? >> i don't think that's the right question. i think the question is who is the current leader. >> you don't have an answer? >> oh, i know who it is. >> who is it? >> ron desantis. >> of course, look how he performed in the election. that was incredible. that's what i'm saying. i'm saying currently ron desantis is the leader of the republican party, whether he wants to be or not. >> abortion played a much bigger role than we had anticipated. i think president trump was an albatross on the electoral prospects of some of our

candidates. he helped select some of the people that turned out to be not effective candidates, and those are probably the two big factors that worked against us. i understand he's going to run for president and announce that tomorrow. it's like the ageing pitcher who keeps losing games. if we want to win, we need a different pitcher on the mound, and i know there's some fans that love him. but it's time for him to get off the mound because we have a real strong bench. >> it's note worthy that outgoing republican congressman, mo brooks one of the leaders of spreading donald trump's false claims of election fraud in 2020 including speaking at that stop the steal rally on january 6th while wearing body armor is criticizing the former president in a new interview. brooks told al.com it would be a bad mistake for republicans to have donald trump as their presidential nominee in 2024. he went on to say, quote, donald trump has proven himself to be dishonest, disloyal,

incompetent, crude and a lot of other things that alienate so many independents and republicans. even a candidate who campaigns from his basement can beat him. this is mo brooks. congressman brooks previously had been one of trump's most loyal congressional supporters. last year he received and lost trump's endorsement in alabama's primary, a race he ultimately would lose. with the safety of donald trump out of office, we're hearing from republicans saying he's terrible and bad. we wouldn't say it in realtime, but clearly there's a little bit of momentum building in washington at least to say please, voters, please, let's take this midterm result as a sign that it's time to turn the page. whether or not that happens remains to be seen, but you've got leading voices. former beyond loyalists in mo brooks case, he did whatever donald trump asked him to do, saying time to move on. >> you know, it's interesting watching the pendulum slowly swing back to a more moderate approach among people whose business and whose life has been politics.

donald trump's life has been donald trump. that's been his main concern for years. probably since birth. the interesting thing about the collection that we just showed of different candidates past and present is mike pence. that was kind of a sad performance when you think about it. he's a nice man, a good man. it's true. there he is, talking about his former boss, the president of the united states, who demeaned him, who put his life in danger, who put his family's future in danger, and his inability to just name him, to just name him and say, no, he ought not to be the candidate again for president is sad. sad. >> joe, this is all very compelling and very interesting to hear from these republicans, but easier said than done, i think, for a lot of them to just completely walk away from donald trump. >> i mean, come on.

mo brooks needed to say that on january 6th, less people would have been beaten up. less people would have been sent to jail. less people would have been suffering. if he had just called out donald trump's lie then, who knows what would have happened, but we do know that there are a lot of americans who are sitting in jail right now pause they believed the president of the united states. they believed the president of the united states had the election stolen because he had been saying that for months, and mo brooks was a part of that, so again, i'm all about the converted, and i'm so glad he's saying what he's saying, and this one case, though, i will go back and say it would have been nice if instead of speaking on january 6th whipping the crowd into a frenzy. many members of that crowd that went in and beat the hell out of police officers and unfortunately four police officers died following the riots. it would have been really nice

if he would have told the crowd to protest peacefully and go home. he didn't do it. >> i will never understand why that wasn't the line for some republicans. i mean, as violent as it got. joining us now, the chairman of the democratic senatorial campaign committee, senator gary peters of michigan. well, it's good to have you on the show. congratulations. democrats maintain the majority. were your surprised, and what happened? >> well, we are very very happy. but we weren't surprised. i mean, we were confident going into the election. we know things were going to be very very tight, and we had anticipated that from the very beginning, if you would have asked me a year and a half before the election are these going to be very close elections, i would have said absolutely, they're going to be in the margin. they are all in battleground states, and by definition, they're going to be very close. that's why we certainly worked to make sure we had a very aggressive ground game to turn out our voters. certainly, we were in a really

good position, we thought, particularly given the difference between the candidates that were running. there was a wide gulf in the candidates in each of our key states, with very talented democratic candidates, incumbents versus extreme candidates on the other side, which gave us a great contrast going into the final moments of the election, and then with the dsec, what my work was with my team was primarily to invest in a very robust ground campaign, which is critically important in a midterm where you always have a dropoff of votes. in fact, it's the first time in modern history that the dsec, we invested more in the ground operation than the independent expenditures. my belief that when you're in the tight races, that's going to be the difference of a point or two. that investment certainly paid off and then some in this race. now we're -- although we're very happy we are at 50, we are not done. we're going to be doing the same

types of campaigning and the same effort, very aggressively in georgia, i'm confident we're going to have 51 senators after december 6th. >> and senator, good morning, your state of michigan really illustrates all the points you've made when you look from the governor's race to the secretary of state to the legislature which is now controlled by democrats, something that hasn't happened in several generations. as you look at the state of michigan specifically, what was the difference there? i think a lot of observers were stunned by the extent to which abortion played into voters decisions, not that it played, but many people thought it would, but boy, it was a top issue if not the top issue for many voters. >> there's no question about that. we had a proposition on the ballot, put it on the constitution. it drove folks out. there was energy, and particularly energy with young voters. just to give you an example on the campuses of michigan state university and the university of michigan, students were lining up. we had same day registration because of previous changes.

you could register and vote, and students who were there at 8:00 when the polls closed could still vote. and i believe the last students voted around 2:00 a.m. they stayed in line for hours. it was an inspiration to all of us that these young students, particularly women, but certainly men as well said that we're not going to let them take away fundamental rights from us. i don't care how long i stand in this line. i'm going to make sure i register and i vote. that type of energy made a huge difference in michigan. and quite frankly, made a difference in all of our key states because we had such a contrast in candidate positions on that issue. it certainly motivated people to get out and make sure their voice was heard. >> senator adrienne elrod is here with a question. >> hi, senator, congratulations on a great election cycle. i've got a question about some of the republicans who, especially the election deniers who had basically dissuaded some of the republican base from

voting early or voting absentee by calling it fraudulent or saying, you know, the process is not working the way that it should if they vote absentee. do you think that had an impact at all in favor of the democrats? >> i think it does have an impact particularly in a midterm, when you already have a dropoff of votes. it's certainly important to make sure the way to vote is as easy as possible and convenient for people who are busy with their every day lives. they have an opportunity to make sure that they are casting that vote. it is an important tool to allow us to reach out to voters and make sure that they're voting. part of certainly our ground operation. we could track who we knew were our supporters and track whether or not they had voted and if they hadn't, certainly gently remind them how important it is to make sure they're getting out to vote. it is a very important part of a ground campaign, and the fact

that republicans are telling people not to do that, which is a little curious because in the past a lot of absentee votes tended to trend republican. it's certainly different now. >> senator, do you have the impression that any of your republican colleagues in the senate are learning the lessons from this election that to you and me and others seem obvious about donald trump, about trumpism, about election denial, is that sinking in at all a across the aisle? >> i hope it doesn't, to be honest with you. i hope they don't catch on to all of this. i think it is pretty clear and this election certainly spoke very loudly to that. and i think the american people, i believe this in my heart and soul, people want folks to come together. the politics of division can at some times be powerful. but it's also very destructive

to this amazing democratic republic that we have. voters are saying let's get together. we've got serious problems that we have to face as a country. we need to come together, we have to bring ideas together and be united. this country has been at its strongest when we're united. that's why i certainly hope that we are able to do that, and my colleagues can understand that as we go forward into the next term, and even though we're at least 50 democrats, perhaps 51. we certainly want to work with our republican colleagues to do good things for the american people and to show the american people that we can function as a constitutional democracy in a way that has a meaningful impact on everybody's life. >> senator, let me ask you about that perhaps 51, that last senate race that's out there, the runoff in a couple of weeks in the state of georgia. some people have said a little bit of the energy is taken out of this because you already do have control of the united states senate, but what would a 51st vote mean to you versus a

50/50 split? >> certainly 51 helps us in many ways. one, from the committee process right now, committees are 50/50, and if you don't have an extra vote, it takes a lot more time to move to the floor, to move pieces of legislation forward. also having an extra vote, clearly if there's an individual senator in our caucus that may have a different view, they can certainly express that, but they're not the deciding vote. it's not so that one individual senator becomes the deciding vote on what we do collectively as a caucus. it certainly provides additional flexibility to move agenda forward for the country. >> chairman of the democratic senatorial campaign committee, senator gary peters of michigan, thank you very much for being on this morning. >> great to be with you, thank you. and still ahead on "morning joe," allies of minority leader kevin mccarthy try to boost

their slim majority in the house by getting at least one democrat to switch parties. we'll get to that new reporting and see how that went. plus, senator ted cruz said he's so angry about the 2022 midterm results, he can't even see straight. we'll show you that rant and who he's blaming. also ahead, a look at the morning papers, incoming a new effort to get florida governor ron desantis to launch a bid for the white house. but first, national security council spokesperson john kirby is standing by and joins the conversation live from the g20 summit in bali, indonesia. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back.

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a look at the other news making headlines this morning. we have learned more about the shooting that happened late sunday evening at the university of virginia. devin chandler, lavel davis, jr., and d'sean perry were killed in the shooting, alleged to have been committed by a former player, that former player, 22-year-old christopher darnell jr. was caught by police just before 11:00 a.m. yesterday, over 70 miles away in richmond, virginia. jones is charged with three counts of second-degree murder and possession of a handgun. last night students and staff from the university of virginia gathered together to grieve on the school's campus. the university's president released a statement expressing the school's condolences and announcing that all classes at the college will be cancelled today as everybody on campus

mourns. customs and border protection stopped more than 230,000 migrants at the southern border in october. it marks the third highest month of illegal border crossings during the joe biden's presidency. october saw fewer venezuelas after the administration introduced new asylum restrictions but saw an increase in arrivals from cuba, nicaragua, and colombia. weekly flu cases, hospitalizations and deaths have nearly doubled for the second week in a row according to the cdc. so far this season there have been at least 2.8 million illnesses, 23,000 hospitalizations, and 1,300 deaths from flu. the hospitalization figure is doubled from one week ago and is now the highest hospitalization rate this early in the flu season since 2010. according to cdc data, the southeast is currently the hardest hit area of the country. willie. and just ahead of the busy

holiday travel season, the transportation department announced it has helped to get $600 million back for airline travelers who were wrongly denied refunds for cancelled or significantly changed flights. the news comes after a summer of chaos at many airports. between june and august, 45,000 flights were cancelled, nearly a quarter of all trips were delayed by 15 minutes or more. tight scheduling, staffing shortages and bad weather contributed to the problem. joining us now, u.s. secretary of transportation, pete buttigieg. mr. secretary, thanks for being with us this morning. let's start with the $600 million you have clawed back for consumers, people owed that money. let's remind people of what happened there, why that money was not given back to them in the first place, and how you got it back. >> so under rules set by our department, if you get cancelled or you experience a major delay and don't travel, then you deserve to get your money back, you're entitled to a refund. that refund needs to come

quickly. we expect it within about seven days or less, if you paid by credit card. but what we saw was a lot of airlines, especially during that covid period either dragging their feet, stringing passengers along, and in some cases outright refusing to give the refunds. we took a number of actions including finals and penalties to make sure the passengers did get those refunds and, this round represents contributing to about $600 million in refunds going to hundreds of thousands of passengers. and we hope a signal to airlines in the future to make sure they're doing the right thing so we don't have to take these steps. >> mr. secretary, i'm grateful that you're going to help me get my refund. i'm owed a couple of refunds this summer. i would like to ask you an infrastructure question. the infrastructure bill, $1.2 trillion, as it passed, but the eyesight test, i want to ask you about the eyesight test.

where are these projects? why is it seemingly the projects don't appear on highways or bridges that need repair, will be repaired at some point. what has happened to the money? >> we're underway, today mark the one-year anniversary. so we're a year into five years of funding and over 2,400 bridges, for example, are getting the benefit of in bill, and we're just getting warmed up. we have announced improvements at airports around the country, roads that are being improved in various ways. ports that are getting investments. we're bringing rail on to ports so that we're not at the mercy of sometimes not having enough truck chassises to move goods. some of these things are relatively quick projects that can get underway or moving toward being underway, and we're just accelerating. others are going to take years. if we're talking about a new airport terminal or redesigning a major piece of infrastructure, a major bridge, for example,

some of that work is going to be going on through this decade, but that's the point. we're talking about shovel ready projects, and we're talking about shovel worthy projects. it's not just about a ligament sugar boost to the american economy. it's about a decade's worth of work to expand the productive capacity of the united states, and position us well to compete in the global economy for the rest of our lives. >> mr. secretary, i know actually some of these projects are becoming visible. in my home state of south carolina, the interstates around columbia, there's a lot of repair work scheduled to begin on the bridges and so forth on the interstate, so i think we're starting to see some of that money being spent. i wanted to ask you, though, about the supply chain issues that we've had for so long. it that now solved? will the supply chains work as

we knew them as we approach the holiday season? >> well, we're definitely in dramatically better shape than we were a year ago. you remember this time about a year ago, we were seeing pictures of more than 100 ships bearing down on the west coast. last time i checked those numbers for our west coast ports like l.a. and long beach are in the single digits. really pleased to see the results last year, fwen, this time a year ago. what wound up happening was actually an all time record high in terms of retail sales that year. we have seen major improvement, but no, we're not out of the woods yet. you look at the pressure on our supply chains right now. the need for more workers to choose to stay in jobs like trucking, which is why we're really focused on making the job quality of trucking better with nor truck parking, steps to recruit more women into trucking and make sure it's a safe and

rewarding profession for them. that's one example. every part of the supply chain from the ship to the shelf and feeling consequences from the disruptions from the pandemic. part of the answers to that are the short-term steps we've taken that helped get us through last holiday season. the long-term answers circle back to the infrastructure bill, making sure we have the right kind of physical infrastructure to move those goods. that's why. for example, we're adding 10,000 feet of on-dock rail to the port over at long beach. that's why we're investing in eliminated railroad crossings so a train doesn't have to go on a slow order or slow down passing through an area crossing through a road. even just plain old road and bridge improvements are a big part of what it takes to keep the supply chains moving. lots of progress, lots of work ahead. >> u.s. secretary of transportation, pete buttigieg, thank you so much for your time, we appreciate it. >> thank you. turning to the g20 summit in

bali, we're joined by national security coordinator for the strategic communications at the white house, retired rear admiral john kirby. thank you for time today. we saw across the wires that the president cancelled his appearance at the g20 dinner tonight. everything okay with him? >> everything's fine. he just had other business to attend to. issues he wanted to get to tonight. before we get ready to leave indonesia and come back home, but, no, president's feeling really good physically. feeling good about the discussions and conversations at the g20. >> his meeting with president xi getting an awful lot of attention around the world. they tried to turn down the rhetorical temperature on the relationship between the united states and china. obviously the issue of taiwan remains front and center. it appears it is a red line for china. what progress will you leave bali with on that issue?

>> the president is grateful that both sides agreed to get their teams working together again, and so we're going to put together as you heard the president say last night, a mechanism for working level talks to continue to work through some of these issues. not just the issues we think we can cooperate with china on, the issues where there are tensions, taiwan is one of them. freedom of navigation, and trade and economic practices, so there's a lot to talk about. president comes away from the meeting with president xi now confident that those channels of communication will not only stay open, willie, but expand, and we might be able to make more traction going forward. >> admiral, i would love to shift to the war in ukraine for a moment. one notable absence there is obviously vladimir putin, but what are the challenges for continued global support for the war in ukraine? >> one of the things coming out

of the trip. we saw this not only at the g20 but cambodia at the asean summit. we're not seeing it wane or waiver. we're not seeing countries walk back. in fact, quite the opposite. you saw strong statements from leaders both in cambodia, and additional strong statements coming out of the g20 in support of ukraine and what they're going through. for our part, and the president was clear about this again last night when he was asked at his press conference, we're going to continue to make sure ukraine has the tools, capabilities, weapons they need to succeed on the battlefield, and you heard from president zelenskyy here today, he wants to continue that success. he has territories he wants to take back. it's his country. he has every right to do that. and he's interested in pursuing a just peace. eventually finding a way to end the war through a diplomatic solution. >> admiral, today in the united states on the front page of most

newspapers there's a picture of president xi and president iden shaking hands, and we saw the video yesterday. as president biden approached president xi, president xi had a smile on his face. so my question to you is what's the sense internally from the administration, from the biden administration about the personal relationship and the value that the personal relationship has on diplomacy that goes unspoken but is clearly critically important? >> right, mike. you just can't put a price tag on the power of personal relationships. you can't surge or phone in trust and confidence. you got to earn that, and the president believes the way to earn that is through face-to-face diplomacy. that's why it was important to have this meeting with president xi. these are two men that know each

other well. certainly they have had several conversations since he took office at the white house. the president believed this was a great opportunity for the two of them to continue that conversation personally, and you heard, mike, from president xi in his opening statement yesterday say the exact same thing. obviously this is a man in china who also values the importance of personal relationships. it would be very easy to take that and be polly anna about it. there are issues of tension in the relationship, that will probably continue. it's important those channels of communication stay open and they are open at the most senior level. president biden is committed to that. >> and biden of course is coming to the g20 for this massive very globally important gathering with democracy bolstered back home. adrienne elrod has a question for you. >> hi, john, great to see you.

yesterday president biden said that several world leaders were talking to him about the midterm elections about what happened here in the united states last week. can you shed any light on what those discussions were and maybe what some of the world leaders said? >> some of them just acknowledged that the midterms certainly went well for the democratic party, certainly went well for the biden administration. so he got some congratulations on that. it was not lost on world leaders here. i mean, it was a real signal, and you heard the president talk about this last night too. the real signal about the health and vibrancy of the american democracy, that it is still viable, still powerful and that it still can mean so much on the world stage. i think the president was very eager to get overseas to get to these meetings, not just because he felt certainly buoyed by what happened in the midterms but

because he felt confident that the foreign policy objectives he has been working on are beginning to now show fruit. when he says america is back, now he says we're not only back but we're leading. you can see that in the outcomes and infrastructure investments in the security agreements that are being made both in cambodia and here in indonesia. it's really bearing fruit and the president is very very confident about that. >> national security council coordinator for strategic communications at the white house, retired rear admiral john kirby, thank you very much for being on this morning. >> yes. and coming up, president putin's attacks in ukraine are putting renewed focus on war crimes there and around the world. our next guest is tasked with brings those responsible to justice. that's ahead on "morning joe." justice. that's ahead on "morning joe." moderate to severe eczema still disrupts my skin. despite treatment it disrupts my skin with itch. it disrupts my skin with rash.

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but as the advance hit and began to fail, the russians waged a different warfare in the suburbs of kyiv. >> russia's withdrawal revealed crime scenes. bodies bearing signs of torture and rape. >> what they left behind when they retreated was a shocking scene of violence against civilians and would change the world's view of war crimes in ukraine. >> translator: the suffering these people went through. you are not a human being. they can do anything with you. kill you. rape you. cut you into pieces. >> that is a clip from the special investigation by frontline and the associated press on the atrocities in

ukraine. the next guest is known as the war crimes prosecutor. he says the legal principle at work in that investigation could be used to prosecute vladimir putin or at least his henchmen for war crimes in ukraine and the prosecutor reed brodie join us now. to catch a dictator is his new book. reed, it is great to have you here. >> thank you. >> it's quite a title. but let's talk first about the work you have done before we get to putin on this case with the dictator of chad with over more than a decade and a half you pursued the man. how did you finally bring him to justice? >> he was the dictator of chad from 1982 to 1990. he was brought in to power by ronald reagan in a covert operation as a bulwark against

gadhafi. he is accused and finally convicted of thousands of political killings, torture, ethnic cleansing, systematic rape and use of sexual slavery and on trial. he was accused by a woman having personally raped him. he was from chad. he went to senegal. i had worked on the case of the former chilean dictator who was arrested in london on a spanish warrant from charges in chile and when the house of lords ruled that he could be prosecuted anywhere in the world despite the status as a former head of state we realized that we had a new tool. this is in 1998. to bring to justice using international justice people who seemed out of the reach of justice. >> why is it so difficult to

prosecute the cases when the crimes seem apparent to journalists and the people that lived there. what are the challenges? >> certainly getting them, a hold of them. if we look at ukraine that's the main problem. it's very clear from what we have seen that russian troops are committing war crimes, mass i have courtrooms against humanity. they have also -- russia committing the crime of aggression which aggression was considered to be the supreme international crime. but because the united states and the soviet union didn't like that crime to be out there, think of the illegal invasion of iraq, that crime is put to the side. it's quite clear that russian troops are committing crimes. one would assume the next step is vladimir putin then the leadership responsible for those crimes?

and for that you can either show as we did with documents or with testimony that vladimir putin ordered those crimes or simply that he was aware of those crimes and didn't take the necessary steps the stop them. vladimir putin is watching the same things on tv that we are watching or choosing not to watch them. we know no evidence that vladimir putin told the soldiers not to do that. so the chances are that a case can be built against vladimir putin for these war crimes and crimes against humanity why certainly for the crime of aggression. he decided. but the real question is getting hold of vladimir putin and that unless there's a change in russia that is not likely to happen any time soon. >> people go to law school, graduate and have options.

go to work for a prosecutor. how did you end up pursuing this for all the years that you have been? >> oh. it began in 1984. i took a trip to nicaragua when the u.s. was supporting the contras there and i was in a village attacked by the u.s.-backed contras and i came face to face with victims and witnesses to a u.s.-backed atrocities. i came back to new york. i quit my job as a new york state attorney general's office and documented the crimes and doing that since. we saw really an opportunity -- that was the heyday of international law. here the rubber was hitting the road. a dictator was in the dock and for 25 years i devoted my work

to helping victims, activists around the world try to bring their torturers to justice. >> no statute of limitations on this? >> that's the great thing about this. let's assume that vladimir putin is indicted for war crimes. he may not be captured today. but he will always for his life have those crimes over his head. we saw the last of the khmer rouge being sentenced the life in prison 30 years later. victims never give up. working with chad victims and chilean victims is they never give up and as long as they don't give up there's the possibility of justice. >> and prosecutors like you never give up.

reed, thank you so much for being here. >> quite welcome. >> next, live to south florida where former president trump is expected to launch a run for the white house tonight. jonathan karl joins us live with the latest and elissa slotskin of michigan will be here. we'll talk to the congresswoman when we come right back. ever wonder why they call it the american dream... and not the american goal? announcer: derek jeter

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the rage that i'm feeling there are almost not words to describe jit because this opportunity was screwed up. it was screwed up badly, and the people that are going to pay the tris are the american people. the country is screwed for the next four years because of this. we're going to see horrible left wing judges confirmed for two years because of this. judges taking away our free speech rights, religious freedom rights, second amendment rights. it is an enormous missed opportunity and i got to say it is hard to describe my feelings as anything other than rage right now. >> hmm. republican senator ted cruz -- >> what do you think that was about? who do you think that was aimed at? >> i feel like -- i don't know. aimed at someone. >> i don't know. let's bring in willie for a second. >> willie? do you think ted's --

>> what do you think he was upset about? he was screwed. i'm just sitting here. mad at me? >> sweet tea. >> not everything is about you. >> not about me? i thought it was sigh that chik-fil-a sweet tea in your hand? >> it is. >> i bette it is. >> it is. >> i'm curious, though. he is very upset. do you think it's donald trump he's upset at? the republican party that voted for people that can't win general elections in swing states? they keep making this mistake. >> feeling rage. >> i want to underline one thing that the senator said that's so important. that the federalist society having this celebration last week. >> what was this about? >> i don't know what that's about. are they from canada now or minnesota? celebrating and sitting there. wait a second.

your radicalism, your decision not to go along with the chief justice and the mississippi 15-week ban, that is now put joe biden in a position and ted cruz is exactly right here. joe biden is going to appoint a historic number of federal judges in this first term. he is already on pace to do that and now no speed bumps whatever. he gets to appoint whoever he wants to appoint and this shows again -- checks and balances. et cetera. that's what this is. you get too radical for the middle of america, then the other side is rewarded. it seems to me here that ted cruz is right but republicans and the federalist society and a

lot of senators have only themselves to blame. >> yeah. against the odds and against history and inflation and everything else. democrats may pick up a seat in the senate which gets to the point of getting through the judges that they want. that was podcast ted. he has a podcast getting worked up and left out donald trump in that hot take because he is subservient to him. he is that guy behind donald trump the entire time and left them out of the conversation and the trump wing and didn't acknowledge that the election denialism in which cruz participated ran out a lot of good candidates from the republican side and left them with lake and masters and up and down the ballot that lost. kept the senate in democratic control and made the house

closer than it should have been. >> ted cruz is sitting next to herschel walker and helping him do interviews. senator cruz blamed mitch mcconnell for blake masters' senate loss in arizona. >> wait. >> will you have more tea? >> how much money did mitch spend and what did donald trump do? >> like this with the money. >> didn't donald trump, willie, hold to $100 million? $95 million? >> in piles. >> didn't spend any of that money. mitch mcconnell is desperately going out there trying to win the senate for the republicans. and donald trump ends up spending more money against republican candidates this cycle than for them. now you have herschel walker saying, please stop using my campaign to loot my supporters.

right? >> you see the headline. $94 million donald trump sat on and could have used to help the candidates win. it is just like how he and steve bannon built supporters around stop the steal and they knew wasn't true and put the money in the pockets. same thing for raising money they said for candidates in in election. if you look at the links that sent out click here to sprar blake masters, it turns out that donald trump siphoned off a lot of that money and not a lot ended up in the pockets of candidates themselves. >> i've been saying that donald trump -- >> everyone knows that he does this. >> the gem in tammy faye baker of american politics. campaigned against republicans he hated. and then look at the money that

he spent. it is crazy. those numbers add up to more than the ones that he disliked and pretty close. sat on $95 million. you wonder what point do people figure out they're ptl'd here. you had steve bannon also, willie, talking about the stop the steal stuff. steve bannon got convicted for i believe for lying about a build the wall fund. he soaked people of money. said it was going to go to building the wall. found guilty. donald trump gave him a pardon and now lying about stopping the steal and helping the republican candidates and all he is doing is taking money away from republicans. herschel walker now seeing this in a very clear light and

begging him and jd vance and others. stop stealing money from us and saying you are raising money from us. when you give us one dollar and you keep nine. >> pushing the candidates on the party. walker, oz, masters. doesn't support them. we'll see what happens to walker but a lot of republicans are saying we thought that he could be the controlling vote to control the senate. that is not true anymore. >> if you want to know, mika, whether somebody is serious about fixing things in the republican party, helping republicans move toward winning, if they're blaming mitch

mcconnell for what went wrong over the past week and not saying anything about donald trump, regardless of your ideology and whether you think mitch mcconnell is too much of an insider, mitch mcconnell is working now for four years to become majority leader again. donald trump, everybody knows it, got in the way in georgia in 2020. helped put chuck schumer in. spent two years trying to raise money and get the right candidates. donald trump came in with bad candidates and mitch mcconnell's the one to raise money. he saved jd vance. he spent a lot of money all across the states where donald trump again just chose the weakest of candidates. trump didn't put the money in there. if you say i'm mad. i want the republican party to win again and blaming mitch

mcconnell instead of donald trump what you are doing is creating a cycle that's led to losses in 2018, 2019, 2020 and 2022. democrats think if you want to keep the cycle going and blame the wrong people and don't want to look at the cancer growing inside the party since 2016 stealing your money, democrats are like do that. >> yeah. a cycle of loserdom. donald trump is teasing a big announcement today. we could see whether he plans to launch a 2024 campaign. kari lake lost for arizona governor. you know who i feel bad more? we have mike and eugene with us. >> she was really mean to him.

>> called him a bastard. >> pointing the fingers. i will teach you how to -- >> yeah. >> i felt bad for him. he weathered the storm. >> he asked the questions. >> but she was so mean to him. >> i felt bad. >> are you doing okay? she was awfully mean to you. called you a bastard. said that like -- i think you were bad or we were bad for america. >> evil. >> bad for american democracy. >> always in your face. >> how are you doing this morning? are you feeling okay, vaughn? >> i think we were in the same camp and made sense to be here today with the announcement. could i say something about kari lake? >> yeah. go for it. >> reporter: okay. look. covered kari lake for a better

part of a year and a half here and finally flew yesterday from arizona here and essentially felt like i was covering donald trump's campaign of 2024 but in arizona. she predicated the campaign trying to sell the big lie and the conspiracy theories when she wonders how she lost the race, third election cycle that arizonans rejected trumpism. who did she campaign alongside? steve ban northern, an individual who promoted the notion of the war on white people and state senator rogers who was here in florida speaking at a white nationalist conference aelg called the democratic opponent a pervert,

suggested to be perp walks for individuals. this is an individual who celebrating putting a dagger into the mccain machine. asserted that cindy mccain wants to end democracy. she suggested paul gosart the pal tirn that the founders envisioned. was she able to make that sell here? the answer is no. when you look at the slate of election deniers she was the latest one to fall making it a clean sweep of those candidates and secretary of state candidates and now donald trump will try to run on the message that they lost on.

>> vaughn, tell us, yes, she did lose. a close race. talk about how close america came to having a governor in a swing state that by all accounts, everybody out there saying that she was actually an articulate version of donald trump and smoother, more savvy, knew how to work rooms, she campaigned all over the place. democrats were very scared of this woman in a way they had not been scared of any political candidate i had seen since donald trump's emergence in 2015. they thought she was going to win and going to be the heir apparent to donald trump. >> reporter: she was all those things. this is giving away my age here

but i grew up watching kari lake on the news. she was the face of phoenix television. if anybody were refuned to present the donald trump message more cleanly it was kari lake here and the democratic opponent of katie hobbs never went toe to toe on the debate stage. somebody who a great many folks hesitant to support, a straight forward democrat. and yet what happened with arizona voters they were paying attention. and a local leader, a chairwoman, a very nitty-gritty activist types coming from the mccain era and three days after

lake's primary victory and they tweeted that she was the demographic they didn't need and it was the mccain republicans that they didn't need. looking at a 20,000 vote difference is that's who kari lake needed. where does the arizona republican party go? kari lake tweeted out last night that arizonans know bs. >> she said four days before election day mccain republicans in the room get the hell out and calling him a loser in the state of arizona. that announcement expected tonight that donald trump will announce the candidacy. what do we expect? >> reporter: win, so many trump

endorsed candidates lost. same time looking at the republican party going to be serving in the next congress and around the country you don't have cheney and tom rice. you were looking at a republican party that is much more in the mold of donald trump. that is the backdrop to which he sees himself announcing his 2024 presidential run tonight. he has a smaller campaign operation. he's confident that he will be able to undercut the candidacies of ron desantis and looking at who would be able to haul in the resources to challenge him he's got a point to be made but the question is, is this going to be a campaign focused on the grievances? if you look at the true social

account he posted 64 different memes. the idea to arise here and take control back. the question is voters around the country rejected the premise of what he expected to be the 2024 campaign. i was at rallies across the country with him. you saw the candidates willingly stand on the stage with him. is he able to do so? is he able to cut a contrast to somehow resonate with republican voters skeptical about the political influence here? >> thank you so much for your reporting. we appreciate it. talking to you again soon. 14 house races uncalled this morning. 11 are in california. overall democrats have 206 seats so far. republicans have won 215. nbc news estimates democrats win

115 and republicans 220 with a margin of plus or minus 3. 210 is needed to win the majority. joining us now one election that's completely done and won fresh off the re-election win democratic congresswoman elissa slotkin of michigan. congratulations. >> thank you. >> to what do you point your win? how much is liz cheney's endorsement a factor? >> we won because in general in michigan we have a tipping point that people don't want extremists as leaders. my district is a republican leaning district and will split the ticket and vote for a democrat if the person on the other side is shown to be more extreme. i think that is happening all over michigan and the country.

we brought liz cheney in because she was generous and offered and had herb come in. it raised myself and my opponent and doesn't matter if you smooth it over later. if you are extreme on things like abortion people need to know that. i think it was important for making that clear. we had our best election yet. it was a great night. >> congresswoman, let's set the dobbs decision aside. it was an important factor. talk about michigan and what happened with your race in michigan and flipping the legislature and the governor's race. what was going on that caused that confluence of events to occur successfully? >> this is an important point for anyone that cares about

democracy and certainly for the democratic party is having a great night and what led up to the night is having a plan. we had a plan and in michigan in 2016 the state went for trump. we started then looking at ourselves and saying what is this about? where did this come from? how do we rebuild? in 2018 we got rid of gerrymandering on the ballot initiative. i encourage every state to do that to look at that. we ran strong campaigns. we expanded the right to vote through ballot initiatives in 2018 and 2020. that led to a place where we flipped both legislatures and have the governorship which hasn't happened in over 60 years in michigan. i think the lesson is be honest. the dobbs decision is terrible

for women and glad it motivated people to come out. women in the red states doesn't have a right to abortion but the importance of having a plan dealing with extremists should be the takeaway from the last election. >> i want to go back to the liz cheney endorsement for a second. was there blow back at all that you perceived from democrats who said, hold on. she is pretty conservative republican. or, were democrats down with that? did they understand that this was sort of a coalition in favor of democracy as opposed to an ideological thing? >> yeah. i think maybe this is a mid western thing. i don't know. there was not blowback from

democrats. we acknowledged liz and i on most policy issues that we are on different sides and had vociferous debate and agree on a big thing which is democracy and in michigan we are pragmatists, reasonable people that want government to function and believe in the democracy and understood and actually has a mish gander we grow up where my dad was a republican. my mom was a democrat. there was no dret of a democrat and republican on a stage sharing it together talking about where we disagree. that is how the country functions at its best. so i did not feel blowback. i got questions from strategists and consultants of should you bring it in. my district is republican

leaning but got to have faith in the voters and just roll the dice we care more about the country functioning than about the sort of headlines of the day and glad we did it and proved to be right. >> have faith in the voters. such an important thing to say because you usually won't be let down if you do. so congresswoman, we heard of kevin mccarthy reaching out to democrats. we have heard about the in-fighting on the republican side trying to figure out the next leader of the house. if we see the house going over to the republicans, it will be by the smallest of margins. what do you think the next two years look like? >> we kept some of the worst

impulses to materialize on the republican side. if they blew us out we would have seen extreme legislation going through and would have stopped now in the senate or with the veto and used it as a moment to message on the favorite extreme issues. we have a party trying to realize how to deal with the fact in pretty much everyone swing state they lost and the voters came out more practical than the leaders and now having to figure out an agenda that helps us win in these key places. you can't win in the united states of america without swing states and a positive thing. i hope that this is a tipping point where they say that maga extremist thing is not winning for us to push it aside and got

to have the strength and the backbone to do that. we haven't seen that a lot in the past and i hope it helps to create that tipping point. >> congratulations. thank you for being on the show this morning. >> of course. thank you. still ahead on "morning joe," ukraine president zelenskyy's message to world leaders as the war dominates the conversation at the g20 conference. josh shapiro will be here. what his strategy in pennsylvania could mean for the democratic party's playbook in the years ahead. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. ♪ ♪ this... is a glimpse into the no-too-distant future of lincoln. ♪ ♪

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the g20 summit is underway in indonesia with russia's war in ukraine and food insecurity concerns dominating the first day of meetings. ukraine president zelenskyy addressed the world leaders it have julily saying that russia's war must end now. joining us from bali, the host of "way too early" jonathan lemire. it is remarkable what happened yesterday in china. what we expect between xi and biden and today on given indonesia's unique relationship to the g20. we wanted to ask you what i

think is most pressing question on most people's mind in washington, d.c. is how the hell did the commanders beat the eagles last night. >> it was conserved. >> on early this morning in bali. the talk of the summit. the eagles undefeated going into that game and certainly an upset for the ages. many delegations going about that but actually the main event today is war in russia. vladimir putin is not here. the foreign minister sat through the address to the g20 and lavrov made a speech and went through the usual lies why russia invaded ukraine and there was talk of a walkout among the other leaders when lavrov did

speak and it is not the g7. they kind of march in lockstep coming to supporting ukraine in the war. g20 is different. we can talk about president biden and xi's meeting. saudi arabia or china, countries provided lifelines to russia and did not condemn russia's war phrasing aggression. moscow objected to the use of the word war. they underscore how there's divisions as to the conflict. >> we bring into the conversation the president of the council on foreign relations and staff writer at "the atlantic" with a lot to talk about today. >> richard, expectations could not have been lower and seems

that the white house and president xi got at least a conversation, an understanding of where the guardrails were in this relationship and perhaps the possibility of positive next steps. >> sometimes it is not what you achieve but avoid. i think both the united states for obvious reasons want to avoid the taiwan issue leading to an actual problem. it's a plummeting relationship. slight disappointments. the chinese did not talk about north korea. they have tremendous leverage over north korea if they were to use it. they clearly choose not to. the language on russia disappointing. the chinese in the statement did not single out russia for criticism or why nuclear weapons ought not to be used. but that said with what jonathan

reported is spotted on. leaders of countries that fundamentally competitive decision agree. still shaking hands. talk about the importance of littling the competition. potentially finding areas to do limited cooperation. seemed like old-fashioned diplomacy. >> looking at the papers this morning said that almost looks normal. as jonathan lemire they are whispering about the commanders and the eagles. that conversation will continue. vladimir putin not at the g20. lavrov was there. and watched an address of ukraine. what is that dynamic like inside the room and out of it? >> there's still a reluctance to take on the russians frontally.

the indians, the chinese, the saudis are hedging the bet. we have what you call the west lining up squarely for ukraine provibding support but a lot of the rest of the world is sitting on the sidelines. helping russia, buying the oil. chinese and others do not provide military support to russia. it looks like a long war. i think we will not just go winter and not clear they can defeat each other in a military sense. i don't think the world changes that balance fundamentally. the question is whether the west can play this for the long game. the world doesn't like it but doesn't do a lot about. >> there's some disagreements

within the biden administration as you expect about the russia-ukrainian conflict. senior levels of the pentagon eager to get them to a table to debate and then bill barnes doing quiet diplomacy. talk about the diplomatic element and is this fantasy land or do you think there's prospect in a month or two for a break through? >> to be clear, there have been negotiations the whole time. there have been under the table conversations, conversations in turkey. the ukraines and the russians talk about prisoner exchanges. this is not the breakthrough that people make it out to be. what would be the moment when negotiations would be useful and

when they would end the war for good? that moment i think has not arrived yet. the white house doesn't think it's arrived yet. that moment comes when the russians understand that is a mistake and russian imperialism had the day and that it's over. that's the only way to have a complete end to the conflict. not just a cease fire and stop fighting for a few months. when there's a permanent change then we can have a conversation. we could be getting closer to that. i hope so. >> jonathan, i'm curious the reaction in bali to american politics. do they see biden now as stronger? how do they take the possibility of trump announcing?

do they have a sense of going back to normal or still worried what they see going on in the united states? >> diplomats i have spoken to and a biden senior officials said they are surprised the international interest in the american midterm elections. president biden said they were watching the balance of the senate. president biden was in cambodia previously when that happened and there is a sense of relief that the -- a sense of normalcy. they watched the election deniers going down to defeat. president biden is projecting that saying that's an idea that american democracy still works and the allies can be reassured by that. trump was the blip. trump looms all over the summit

in bali. there's a sense that the russians, the chinese and perhaps the saudis trying to wait biden out. biden of course sending a signal that's not the case but with trump's likely announcement tonight he will be center stage again and an unease along allies that america is back. will that last after the next two years? the headlines out west. in los angeles cases of the flu nearly doubled in a week. what officials are saying about the soaring rate of infection there. that's on "morning joe." it's the subway series menu.

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welcome back to "morning joe." this morning, we have a remarkable story about loss, betrayal, and how to rebuild. joining us now is paulina, the 57-year-old former supermodel born in cold-war era check czechoslovakia and had to endure the death of her husband, cars' front man. she's out with a best-selling book, "no filter: the good, the bad, and the beautiful," a series of enlightening essays about womanhood at every age and also rebuilding. paulina was guest speaker at our first international women's day

summit, the 30/50 summit in awe buddha by. with her there is the vice chair of the summit, huma abedin who joins us as well. paulina, such a pleasure to have you on the show. please tell us, first of all, why you wrote this all down, what you were hoping to achieve for your readers. >> you know what, that's a very good question, mika. by the way, i'm so sorry i missed seeing you at the summit because i was really looking forward to it so we could exchange our unpronounceable last names. >> exactly. that and our unpronounceable history in czechoslovakia. but i'll come to the next and you be there as well. >> great. deal. anyway, so this book came about, it was maria shriver who contacted me. she sort of called me out of the blue and i thought i'm getting a phone call from maria shriver? like, this is big time. and she said she followed me on instagram and that she was

wondering if i would like to write a back to for her. it's like i've been writing on instagram, very vulnerable, honest, and open on instagram about my life, and she wanted a book sort of dealing with the same topics. i think initially, she probably thought it would be a little more of, you know -- i think they're called -- not confessionals, now i can't remember the name of it, but, you know, little, small chapters, sort of, you know, being very optimistic and, you know, how to overcome and how i put my life back together. but once i sat down at the typewriter, all this stuff just poured out of me because this is all i thought about for the last two years, and it was all just, like, right here. and it just had to make its way out. so it did in three months. >> that's amazing. and huma, you know, it's so interesting in your book both

and you address deeply personal challenges as well, looking at betrayal and renewal. and this book as well is searing. i mean, it goes into how two things can be true at the same time. you can be deeply hurt by someone and you can love them as well. >> you know, i -- so paulina, first of all, i read the book in one sitting and i think there's so much in the book that i'm sure lots of women, young people or just people in general have told you they relate to. and in part because so many of these things are things we go through, whether it's anxiety or trauma or love or grief or betrayal. but you write, you know, as mika said, in searing detail about your marriage, and you use a lot of these words in your book, anxiety and uncertainty, but love is the word i felt came through the most. i think i counted 179 times you used the word love in this book. so when you have this shocking

betrayal after your husband passes away, you have to go through all these things simultaneously about how many did you go through that process? >> oh, boy. well, not very well at first, honestly. it was a bit of -- it was really difficult at first because i was dealing with -- look, i spent my entire life with this man. i met him when i was 19. and he was my north star. i mean, he was everything to me. and, yes, we were getting separated, and yes, we were getting divorced because our marriage wasn't working anymore. but it didn't mean that i loved him any less or that he had any less importance in my life. so, you know, finding -- going to give him his morning coffee and finding him dead, that's one thing -- that's a sort of ptsd that one doesn't get over very easily. just the shock of losing him and then my children losing him. i mean, you know, when your children are in that much pain,

it was just pain. it was just swimming in a sea of pain for such a long time. and then of course the will and what i saw as a betrayal of me in his will in disowning me. and i think maybe because there was so much love, there was such a long amount of love, and for 25 years my husband gave me the kind of love that i at the time needed and wanted so desperately. the only thing i wanted was one person that would love me best, and he did love me best for a long time. and so, that's kind of what i'm left with now, is the love part, you know. that's where i choose to focus is that i was blessed. i had that kind of love that i

so desperately wanted. and i lost it, and now i probably don't need that kind of love anymore. >> well, i think this idea of feeling all of these things, i wonder what you tell women who stop you on the street and say what should i do? i'm sure you get that often and even more so now that the book is out in the world. >> you know what i have -- and this is such a wonderful, wonderful thing, is that i walk down the street and women will just go, i love you. i follow you on instagram and i love you. they don't necessarily come to me for advice, which i'm very happy about because quite honestly, i'm the last person in the world that should give you advice. i'm doing great right now, thank you, thank luck, but i messed my life up quite impressively all by myself. so i should not be giving anybody advice. let's face it. >> oh, my gosh. i love you and i follow you on

instagram. >> ditto. >> let's talk about resolution because when you have a break with somebody and they're alive, there's always hope. but having that conversation that stitches a relationship back together in whatever form that may be. i'm wondering, we've all had friends, we've all had family members who have passed, and we never had that final conversation. i have friends from 20 years ago still haunted by the fact i didn't have that last conversation. and i'm wondering for you, for you to write this book, for you to heal, how did you find that resolution in you? instead of looking at the pain, look at the gratitude and say, oh, my god, i had somebody who loved me and that's what i'm going to focus on. >> yeah. so, wait, i'm sorry, is that the question? because you just perfectly explained how i feel.

>> he does that. >> bravo. yeah. i can just repeat your words back to you because you just -- i mean, that's it. you know, look, there could be no resolution for me of this, i can't go back and ask him what the hell he was thinking or what happened and why he didn't talk to me, why didn't he tell me how he felt. so i have to -- i have to focus on gratitude. and you know what, that's a beautiful thing about being my age, is that i have access to that. like, i know, i know that, you know, nothing lasts, not the good, not the bad, and to be grateful, to be infinitely grateful for the good parts when they happen to you, you know, and the bad ones, you can even be grateful for them too because they kind of push you forward in a maybe unexpected direction that might be the way you should

be going. >> well, this book we definitely would love to have you at 30/50 to talk about. so we would love to have you come back as a speaker, paulina. and my goodness, thank you so much for sharing all of this and coming on "morning joe" today. >> my pleasure. so nice to see you guys. and i hope to see you in person. >> we're going to do it. >> yes. >> the book is "no filter: the good, the bad, and the beautiful." for more about paulina's incredible story, held over to knowyourvalue.com. and stay tuned in the coming weeks for more exciting details about the forbes know your value second annual 30/50 summit for international women's day. it's going to take place in abu dhabi. it is exactly the top of the hour, the fourth hour of "morning joe," 9:00 a.m. on the east coast, 6:00 a.m. out west. donald trump set to announce plans to run for re-election tonight following yet a