the caution -- there's the shot there, emmanuel macron, as well. the caution you are talking about there really came through in the presidents very careful description of it and then that question, i could see that he was not supposed to answer but he clearly -- we're not getting the russians at this and we will respond in kind with, you understand why. dan de luce thank you for that reporting, i appreciate it. that is all in on this tuesday night. alex wagner tonight starts right now, good evening, alex. >> thank you, chris. what an evening it is, it is a news hurricane. thank you as always. thank you at-home for joining us this hour, this very busy hour of news. this is a live look at mar-a-lago, where at any moment, we're expecting donald trump to announce he is running for president in 2024. nbc news is now reporting that trump has officially filed his paperwork for that run, and we are monitoring that speech, if

and when trump does make that announcement, we will be sure to let you know. we are also keeping a close eye on the developing situation involving a russian-made missile that landed in poland today, killing two people. poland, of course, is a nato ally, so this is huge implications for america's role in the ongoing conflict between russia and ukraine. president biden convened an emergency meeting with other world leaders at the g20 summit in bali. he said religious will conduct an investigation into what happened before determining next ups. he also said preliminary information suggested that was, quote, unlikely that the missile was fired from russia. we will have more on that developing situation this are. we are also still continuing to get results from races that have yet to be called in the midterm elections. once which could determine the balance of power in congress. we're expecting more votes this hour, and we'll bring you any updates in those races as they come in. steve kornacki is at the ready as he always is. we'll also be speaking by fourth michigan governor

gretchen whitmer, her first primetime interview since being reelected. but as i said tonight, donald trump is expected to announce his third successive run for president of the united states. it comes as a time where the former presidents political parsnip and weaker, and the republican party is at war with itself about who's to blame for the parties dismal election performance, in a year or gop leaders would think that they would take control of the senate and when as many as 60 seats. last week, voters unambiguously rebuke donald trump's election conspiracies and extremism. according to nbc news, 28 of the 29 republican candidates who lost competitive races in this election had i did not joe biden won the 2020 election or cast thoughts on the results. last night, one of the biggest proponents of donald trump's big lie, republican kari lake, lost a race for arizona governor to democrat katie hobbs. as far as congress, democrats were able to retake control of

the senate, and they may even grow their majority, if they managed to defeat another trump backed candidate, herschel walker in georgia senate runoff, which happens on december six. given all these defeats, it is at once the most surprising thing and a least surprising thing in the world that republicans are still considering letting trump continue to lead the party. that is where we are. they really had not figure this one out yet. it's still a heated debate. today in the senate, republican senator rick scott announced he would be challenging much pocono for the position of gop senate leader. it is worth remembering here that rick scott was the guy in charge of getting republicans elected to the senate this year. senator scott is the one who chose to embrace trump and his handpicked senate candidates who in turn managed to hand democrats key victories in places like pennsylvania and arizona and new hampshire. but rick scott is not -- in fact, he thinks he deserves a promotion.

it's not his fault, and it's apparently not trumps for either. today, when announcing his candidacy for republican senate leader, rick scott released this letter, saying, despite what the armchair quarterbacks on tv will tell you, there is no one person responsible for the party's performance across the country. i know there is no shortage of people who are eager to point fingers and assign blame here in washington, but i won't be one of them. it's unproductive and a massive waste of time. the one person he's talking about here is donald trump, and pointing fingers at him is according to rick scott a massive waste of time. okay, rick scott. then there is the fight happening in the house. today house republican leader kevin mccarthy, who is not exactly a scold to donald trump and his allies, kevin mccarthy received his own leadership challenge on the grounds that he is insufficiently pro trump. the man challenging kevin mccarthy for the speakership's republican congressman, andy biggs, one of the people who reportedly requested a pardon

from donald trump for his role in trying to overturn the election results on january six, 2021. today, a closed-door vote among members of the republican conference, leader mccarthy managed to lose 31 votes to andy biggs. kevin mccarthy will now have to convince all or most of those defectors to back him, as speaker, in order to win a full house, which comes in general. there is almost zero chance that republicans would manage to settle their disputes about trump's role in the party by then. especially now, that he appears to be embarking on a third run for the american presidency. trump, for his part, is unconvinced his influence had much to do with the party losses. he has instead blamed republican leadership for not being more enthusiastic about his losing slate of candidates. trump was fairly blunt about this on truth social. it's mitch mcconnell's fault, spending money to defeat great republican candidates instead

of backing blake masters and others was a big mistake. he blew the midterms and everyone despises him. now that guy, that guy, donald trump, is back tonight announcing, as the apparent front runner for his party, and yet another presidential election. joining us now is new york times chief white house correspondent, peter baker. he's also the coauthor of the divider, trump in the white house, 2017 to 2021. peter, thank you for being here on this night, as we talk about the role of donald trump and his party. i suppose, i wonder, if donald trump wasn't announcing tonight, let me start over again. because donald trump is announcing tonight, and because for all intensive purposes, he is the front runner, he is effectively the head of the party, do you think that changes the sort of wagon circling we're seeing right now inside the gop where there is a debate as to whether trump

should be the head of the party? >> he was certainly like that, alex what he is trying to do to the -- instead of talking about how the republicans lost the possibility to take control of the congress and a red wave, we talk about donald trump again. there's nothing that donald trump likes better then giving people something to talk about donald trump. obviously, he's in a weekend position compared to where he had been. the republicans are blaming him for these losses last week that they attribute to his poor selection of candidates in the primaries, pumping out support for these election deniers. but he is hoping basically that he can once again dominate the conversation and dominate the stage at a time where people like ron desantis are looking strong on the political right. i think he's got rhonda scent is in his rearview mirror, catching up and a fast way. some polls show him ahead in key states. >> donald trump loves everyone to be talking about them trump.

mitch mcconnell, i would imagine this not like everyone to be talking about donald trump. how do you think this practically affects the leadership debate that is happening inside the party? what does mr. connell do to morrow when he's asked about trump's candidacy? >> that's a really good question. it will be interesting to see. obviously, we know mitch mcconnell does not care for donald trump. we know mitch mcconnell thinks donald trump is in alex book troughs on the party, that the last elections that republicans lost, and mcconnell's mind, are because of trump in 18, 20 and 2022. i think what mitch mcconnell would say tomorrow if asked, he was the focus on georgia, not on the presidential race, because georgia still matters to him. it 50/50 ties the better than a 50 1:49 democratic majority. he'll focus on the, not to talk about donald trump, i'm guessing. if you put troops serum in its mcconnell, he'll tell you that donald trump has been a disaster for the party, and he would like tom to go away. he will not be seen that bluntly, but that's what he thinks. >> you bring up georgia, and

trump's on advisers are on television saying, sir, we urge you not to announce potential presidency until at a december six. trump has floated entirely. he did that advice out the window. if the republicans lose, if herschel walker loses georgia, and raphael warnock is reelected and democrats increased a majority in the upper chamber, do you think trump is any pressure that? was that further confirmation that, oh yeah, this guy is a jerk on the party, but does it do anything? >> i think it's further confirmation because control of the senate is not now hinging on that race. it won't be quite the same thing it would've been had it been the decider, if there was a one race that would tell us who would be the majority, it would definitely come back on former president trump. remember, he did this two years ago, when he basically punted, as far as a lot of republicans are concerned, to special races, that gave control from republicans that democrats.

he did not care less. what he cared about was his own grievance, his own racing claims, that something bad happened, when it did not. he is not a party man, he was never a party man,. his party has been -- he is not great loyalty to the republican party. he did not have loyalty to the republican party. it does not matter that special action comes up in georgia. he wants to change the subject, to his own case in race, and what happens next. >> i think it's worth noting, peter, as we talk or as republicans talk about trump's potential asked for the party, which may not come to pass, the reason they're even debating this has nothing to do with principle and everything to do with political expediency. this is about winning. jelani cobb and the new yorker points out, and it bears reading, this quote, trump did not single-handedly inject the streams of intolerance, racism, nativism, belligerence and adorable sympathy for anti-democratic behavior into the republican party, and there is no reason to believe that his absence would cause them to evaporate.

part of the reason that i feel as republicans are ringing their hands and don't know what to do about trump's because the party is trump. there is no affective daylight in terms of the policies and the rhetoric of the gop, and that of trump and trumpism. if you excise trump and trumpism, what does that leave you with in terms of a actual governing platform for the republican party beyond nativism, beyond xenophobia, beyond racism? it's hard to know how they would even begin to had a conversation. do you get a sense that they are aware of that? >> i think a lot of republicans are aware that. lot of republicans believe that it needs to rebuild itself at the trump, but they don't know what after trump will be. as long as trump is on stage, there's no such thing as an after trump. they're not willing to break with him on january 7th, 2021 despite the attack on the capitol, despite his own lies about the election that led to the attack on the capitol. they are not willing to abandon him then, what would make them

abandoned him? well, you're right, when he becomes an albatross, when they see him as a loser and not a winner, when they see him causing them more harm than good, that's the only moment when you see republicans just away. the question is whether or not enough republicans to. he still has an awful lot of support among the base, and a lot of republican officeholders and political figures are nervous about doing anything to activate him. they don't want to aggravate that base. i member in an interview once, a republican senator did not like donald trump, said why is it that you don't say anything. they did a poll in my state, and 88% of my republican constituents and don't -- support donald trump. that's more than they support me. that's been the case. if they pursue that the base is drifting over donald trump, that's what they will begin to drift away themselves. >> and that is an open question. excuse me -- analysis of what happened here, a very relevant point, which is

there is the republican party and then the trump of it all, does it work. it was the carnival barking work for their time? i read the quote, it may be -- trump kept posting that show of his, the apprentice, on air for 14 years, replaying the same storyline over and over again as the audience kept coming back for more. when he takes the microphone is mar-a-lago state in florida, which is doing right now, for a special announcement, trump is determined to scoop this another season of conflict and drama in the hopes of being renewed. listen, we're rebooting a lot of old content, as a society, as television and culture, but you do wonder, whether you can repeat the same hate filled rhetoric -- the divisiveness, the exhaustion, these sort of moral exhaustion, if physical exhaustion, i speak for all of us.

one wonders whether there is actual traction for the year 2023 and 2024. >> that's the real question, you're right about that. politics is the modern era. after a certain amount of time, trends tend to burn themselves out. the voters and electorate begin looking for something new and fresh. i think that is what you are seeing in some of these early polls suggesting a boom for desantis within the republican party. i sense among a lot of republicans, yeah, they still like trump and i agree with him. they think he did a good job, even, but they realize that there is a diminishing factor here. they are tired of him. there is a fatigue setting in, and maybe, it's time to try a new generation. i think that's the biggest danger for this. it won't be a sudden snap where republicans say, we are done with you, go away, we can't stomach you anymore. it will be a slow corrosion of support among people who say, yeah, he has time to move on. when that happens, i don't know.

that's the big question looming for 2024, does it happen in time? 2024, or does he managed to keep the show on the year long past, you would think, the storyline worn itself out. >> that is the question, declining audience and an ultimate cancellation of the trump show, pamela. new york times chief white house correspondent, peter baker, was good to see you, my friend. thank you for time tonight. as trump is speaking right now at mar-a-lago, republicans find themselves one step closer to getting control of the house. for more on that, we go to steve kornacki at the big board. steve, what is the latest, my friend? >> because, alex, in the last few minutes from our decision desk, the 41st congressional district of california. we now project can covered, the republican candidate there of three decade incumbent, survived reelection challenge from democrat will rollins. this is a win for republicans, again, we have been monitoring this doing list of uncalled house races with this victory, republicans now have 217 seats.

you need 218 for a majority, some republicans have moved within one seat of securing a majority. here is the list of uncalled races here. you see a whole bunch of them are in conference. there are several races here in california. the republicans are leading, so that passed 2 to 18, we have been saying, it's been opening up clearly for republicans. they find themselves once he away with a number of different ways together. >> steve >> steve kornacki, kornacki never never escapes well, escapes well, it doesn't it does not escape us that escape us new york and california may that new york and california may ultimately be instrumental ultimately be instrumental at handing republicans control the labor table. however, marches matter, and that seems like it's very much -- >> stave, if we get a mark of this hour, play standby and let us now. we will get right back to you, thank you as always! >> we have much more to come tonight as we wait for the once and future leader of the republican party to make his big announcement. including a look at the beginnings of the campaign organization headquarter at the former president speech club. okay from a reporter that got

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[crowd chanting] [applause] >> i told him, i said if you just keep a lower standard, you will have a big victory! they said, let's win by 40 seats! as won by 15 -- >> i said if you win by two seats be happy. when he's on a way to another country right now, she has been fired. [laughter] but we always have known that this was not the end. >> that is donald trump speaking at our mar-a-lago, we're expecting him to announce his candidacy for the presidency in 2024. that announcement should be coming anytime now, and will bring it to you when we have it. in the meantime -- >> that was not good what he -- did >> was called to hand one of the most hopefully important days in our country history of course will be the judge of that, what we wait on to trump 's expected 2024 campaign spent announcement, as soon as he has, that as soon as he says i am running, we will bring that to you. with a candidate at what is being the vibe of this campaign,

this coming campaign, both of those things may look similar. washington post reports that trump wants a quote, recreate the underdog vibe of the 2016 campaign. trump's advisor saw the paper that is expected to have a smaller staff and a smaller budget compared to expel 2020 campaign. reportedly because trump felt it had too many people and spent to me money. it could cause that selection maybe, trump just began interviewing campaign staff a few days ago and is or hoping trump would delay this announcement, the one this evening, so they could set up a more robust campaign apparatus. we do know that kellyanne conway, reportedly coming back to the campaign, but we are also learning that jared kushner and ivanka trump apparently have no plans to take part in this campaign. they aren't the only ones who may sit this one out. the post reports that a number of trump advisers have doubts about [laughter] what they want to be on another campaign with donald trump and u.s. presidency as they deal with subpoenas thanks to their ties

to trump and his erratic decisions after losing the last election. okay! just moments ago, at mar-a-lago, trump declared that he is yes running for president in 2024. this is what he said -- let's take a listen. >> in order to make america great and glorious again, i am tonight announcing my candidacy for president of the united states. [applause] [crowd chanting] look >> joining us now is the reporter who helped break that news about trump's eminence campaign, the great ashley parker, senior national poll -- for the national political close. ashley, thank you for being here tonight, trump has announced he is running for president and i believe the slogan may be best described as mugagga, make america great and glorious again. [laughter] it doesn't exactly roll off the tongue, but then again, we never thought we'd be referring to an entire group of

republicans and americans as mad or publicans. ashley, what can you tell us about this -- it's like a very hastily planned announcement with not a lot of staffing. i think some people would likely be concerned that trump thinks he needs fewer people managing him and his campaign. can you explain a little bit about the decision-making here? and how much chaos can we expect? >> sure, so this was a campaign that, you know, if you have been covering him for a while talking to his people you knew that it was all but inevitable that at some point on the trump was almost certainly going to announce a third of the -- attack at the presidency. but the timing, you know, it has just gone back and forth, alex. it was this a mad rush on monday night before tuesday from a turns to get back to the announcing, he decided that morning. three stops in raleigh and ohio that maybe he'll just announced that. he had to be talked down and the public officials instead of spending a day you know trying

to help senators governors, secretary of state, get elected throughout the country. we're trying to get the former president not to announce the campaign rally as you discussed earlier on your show. there was this talk to try to get him to postpone it from what i just did now to at least after the georgia senate runoff. but that is how things always operates and the former presidents orbit. that was true in 2018 to 2020, and two in his presidency if that freewheeling chaotic, maddening even to his own colleagues and allies, style. that's gonna be -- at the white house. >> there's a chilling reasons why donald trump should not have enough to running for president again, but in his mind there seem to be two reasons why he should have announce at this juncture. one of which are the investigations into trump at mar-a-lago january six will talk about those a little bit later in the hour but the other reason, and i know this sounds absurd, because who announces they are running for president

just to troll someone else? but that sounds like that's what's happening here. that dynamic in play is governor ron desantis of florida is coming off some big wins and his states. he is seen as an inherits of the trump throw, maybe even a usurper, how much of the timing right now, so close after election that hasn't been fully called, now is to steel rod desantis is done there? and do you think ron desantis actually cares? >> so i was talking to a top trump adviser last night who basically said he couldn't wait, not that he was so excited, he couldn't wait although that might also have been the case. but this person meant it as he backed himself into a corner and at this point had no choice but to announce tonight. especially after promising and threatening to announce before the midterms, well frankly, he thought much of the country like much of his party likes the democrats, a lot of the media, that it was going to be a red wave and that's he announced that night that he would be announcing, and then you see someone like ron

desantis, and we have avoided that the two people who both trump finds the biggest threat and the sort of angry with around assigned us and actually governor glenn youngkin of virginia. he believes that he a vote that that's more true in the case of desantis when it comes to jon fan which actually stayed quite clear from. and the successful gubernatorial bid any police that they have not been sufficiently grateful. so when you take that kind of perfect storm and do, it was a very clear that this was a third campaign kind of careening to this evening's announcements whether or not his advisors or even the former presidents himself really thought it was particularly advisable. >> i, mean when you talk about the scientists not pledging fealty are being adequately respectful, i believe ron desantis is literally filing flying planes over at mar-a-lago. do we have a special? yes! saying that you lost again donald, hashtag desantis 2024. now, okay, i said rhonda status

is flying this -- we do not know, i think, who was behind these banners. that is not when kissing behavior if it is coming from the desantis camp. and what's emerging here is the storyline that the losses effectively, or the non ways, of election day were probably ends like broadsides are trying to peg that on donald trump. donald trump does not seem to be bothered by that? or at least the argument he's making is that they weren't really losses but winds. do you have an understanding at how much they results of the election have bothered, actually bother trump, behind closed doors? >> well it certainly two things, one -- he is savvy about politics, who does understand winning and losing, and this was not a win for republicans anyway you cut it, or whatever trump asset. but what bothers him more than that, because fundamentally, he doesn't really care about the republican party, he is willing to burn it to the ground. he only recently became a

member of it to run as president, what bothers him for furthermore, again, are the result that rhonda santas got tuesday night winning you know by 19 points and florida. look at the miami day county. he's even complained that glenn youngkin, he plays that media of him coverage it has been far too favorable and positive. so again, this personal grievance that really animate this president, not the idea that mitch mcconnell might not get to be a majority leader after all. >> yeah, nothing will show rhonda status and glaad now can like a hastily organized campaign announcements populated by very few actual staffers. that's what really teach him! >> ashley parker, senior national political correspondent at the washington post and attractive reporter. ashley, thank you as always! >> thank you. >> we will get more reacted to the seismic shift in the political landscape, just, ahead excluding what affected us on the gop criminal probes, that is probes plural.

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>> donald trump promised to deliver a history making announcement today and maybe he did. you might not be the presidential candidate most was answered by members of his own party and recent memory. after a week of unprecedented democratic victories in congress, washington republicans have been doing a lot of finger pointing and wounds looking. and several republican powerbrokers have decided the buck stops with trump, paper millux news, wall street journal, are calling him a loser. but trump is not the only republican facing blame for trumpism weighing tickets. republicans in michigan lost pretty much everything last week, states house, the senate, and the governor's mansion, and a lot the governor states by a state going near 11 point margin. it's the first time in 40 years that democrats have taken control of every branch of mexican government. the state republican party is now blaming its failed nominee for governor to their dixon for tanking all of a down ballot candidates. dixon went on a platform saying

echoing trump, varying the same culture wars, elections of, antichoice, and parents rights policies. plus jokes about the foiled kidnapping plot against governor whitmer, which is one of trump's favorite topics. this is what paul court is chief or staff of the republican party. this is what he had to say about those losses and the memo last week. traders efforts focused largely on republican red meat issues and hopes of inspiring a 2020 like showing at the polls. there were more as on transgender sports that on inflation, gas prices and bread and butter issues. was that could've suede independent voters. we did not have a turnout problem, middle of the road voters simply didn't like what twitter was solid. to this performance cost us around the edges and the close house and senate races, and we are out of majorities because of it. he had gop is out of majorities in the state of michigan. democrats literally have them all because governor what more, unlike twitter dixon, offered voters decidedly different vision for the future.

what were we protected fights are safeguarded and concerns about safety and infrastructure, and the economy, those are all actually addressed. and now the newly reelected governor, governor whitmer, has the power to act on the rest of her agenda. joining us now is the michigan governor, gretchen whitmer. governor, thank you so much for being here tonight! and congratulations on your resounding when! >> think you. so good to be with you! >> i got to ask you, because it's a thing that just happened and one wonders about its effect on american politics. peloton just announced he is running again in 2024 and in many ways, one could look at the ways that you had against twitter dixon as a was down deng indication that trumpism does not work for the people of michigan. what do you make of trump's announcement tonight? what's of that? what are the implications of that? >> well i can just tell you this: he carried the state of michigan when he first ran for

president and we had an overwhelming victory just this last week. we did something that's only been done four times and the last 130 years and we swept everything. iran you know, well with a larger margin than just four years ago. and we flipped both chambers of our legislature. i think, really it's about electing leaders who are focused about solving problems, not creating them, certainly not creating culture wars. people expect their leaders to deliver and whether it is a better roads, facing the damn roads, or improving outcomes for our kids and our public schools, or ensuring that he got queen clean drinking water or basic reproductive rights. that's what it was front and center, i think that's what contributed to this overwhelming result. people want problem solvers, not cultural warriors. >> well they also want -- i mean at least it seems, a governor who now is ready to go on the offense for matters

that's voters care about. i think for people who don't know, even before we got that draft opinion of the dobbs decision, you were preemptively really concerned about women's reproductive freedoms and the state of michigan. and you sue to challenge the constitution analogy of this 1931 zombie law which was effectively and a abortion law, if roe should fall. you are pressured and you were on the offense, which is not something -- i mean we consular talk about how democrats are always playing defense, explaining how they are not what's -- what republicans paint them to be. you got on offense. i wonder if there's a lesson to learn and that? i talk to governor gavin newsom in california, he says the same thing, democrats need to go on offense! they had to put republicans in the corner! how do you do that and how do you think about that offense defense dynamic? >> well i think it's fighting for the people. i think it's showing up and using every tool at our disposal to live your values

and delivered to the people that you serve. when justice ginsburg passed and we saw amy cohen barrett on the horizon, we got serious about what tools could i used to preserve a woman's right to make her own decisions around her body. in michigan, we were poised to go from being a proud pro choice state to a state that would go back 91 years making is a felony, no exceptions. so i use every tool in my tool box, because of that, it empowered this initiative to a matter of constitution, which was critical in this election that just happened a week ago. now, in michigan, we have enshrined these rights into our state constitution. so this shows, i think, if we are eager to jump into the fray and unapologetic about living our values, focusing on solving problems, that is how we create a path that others can find themselves on. i think this was really important and this election.

it was not having gerrymandering districts, it was putting twice before the voters and it was ensuring that we had a vision where there is an opportunity for every person. that is really what people should demand of their leaders. >> i got to ask you about the gerrymandering thing, because that seems crucial to how democrats have actually won adequate representation. you look at neighboring wisconsin, where the republicans have gerrymanders those maps of just a breathtaking degree, and it really feels like an anti-democratic force. should all democrats effectively embrace independent commissions to draw congressional district lines at this point? is that what needs to happen? i mean -- i know that in the past democrats have done their own share of gerrymandering, but the sort of modern era of gerrymandering, which is effectively anti-democratic force, that's under the ages of republican legislators. do democrats owe the american people in the pageant redistricting commissions across the country?

>> i think the american people shouldn't or should insist on. it i think one of the things i was hopeful that would happen in congress i think voting rights protections. we went to our constitution and michigan a number of years ago in 2018, but it isn't for people to vote, took gerrymandering away from the legislature and created this commission, and i you see the results of that when they are clearly drawn district, you get a legislator that is much more reflective of the people that they are supposed to be serving. it should be the people choosing their legislatures, not legislators choosing their constituents. unfortunately, we have seen gerrymandering across the country. way and michigan have made huge steps forward, we also try and additional voting rights that now that i've got a great legislator i anticipate that we will be able to do even more on that front. but certainly that was one way that the people took back the power and it was a citizens group that came together on certainly -- i'm awful other states that these are tools that they have

will emit relates it. this is how to protect our democracy. >> i don't ask you one last question about choice. the state constitution amendments to protect a woman's right to choose, that passed in this last election. the 1931 zombie law is still, i, believe it still on the books. and you said that you want to get rid of that. even those no longer operative, i think a lot of american woman would see these's of laws torn up, and, then see these laws torn up and burnt, throw away in the dust and of history. when you think you take that care? that taking care of those books as it were? >> i think as soon as i get sworn in for my second term, when you legislature comes in, not only will we wipe that off the bucks, but maybe a lot of zombie laws that are sitting there, latent, that could pose a a threat based on the spring court continues to do in terms of a voting our rights. so we are storing the loss, we will be cleaning them up, these that president assessors should have done, we will take care of

it. >> get rid of snobby laws! that is a platform you could win on! michigan governor, gretchen whitmer, thank you so much for your time and congratulations again! >> thank you alex! >> we have much more to come tonight including a new pressure on attorney general merrick garland, this justice department investigation into mar-a-lago suddenly has a new challenge to overcome with trump's announcement that he is running for president. stay with us! ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ the comfiest socks, underwear and t-shirts that feel good, and, most of all, do good. because when you purchase one, we donate one to those in need. visit bombas.com and get 20% off your first purchase. bombas. give the good.

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second third term as president, 's announcement is worth noting. making this move now could be politically restricted -- politically which judges, get out before anybody else's announcement. but delayed -- legal jeopardy that trump happens to be facing. what has been reported just before the midterm deposits was buzzing some win on time and it's probes mishandling of classified documents down at mar-a-lago. by adding one of the departments, one of the departments, most experienced national security law is to that investigation. it seemed -- it seems, the criminal indictment might be imminent and now that election day is over, the traditional 60-day period of quiet before an election when the justice department doesn't really issue new subpoenas or search warrants, or say criminal indictment of a former president that period of quiet is over.

but, but, donald trump is now a candidate for the presidency again. the republican front runner, even, and that reality and all the political dimensions of a democratic and administration and getting a presidential candidate, well that can complicate things for attorney general merrick garland. which may have been the main reasons trump made this announcement right now. throwing a wrench into a lowman criminal indictment. so what does merrick garland do now? join us now is barbara white, former u.s. attorney for the eastern district of michigan, professor at the university of michigan law school. barb, thank you so much for joining us tonight! i just -- merrick garland knew this day was coming, it sounds, like there were some talk of the department of justice looking into a special counsel to handle this politically sensitive matter, should trump announce his candidacy. why do you think his deliberation the stand now? do you think that there is a likelihood or even if he's ability of a special counsel be being appointed? >> you know, it's hard to know, i certainly don't have any

inside information. and i think it is prudent to at least have that conversation and discuss it, but if i were advising merrick garland, here is what i would say: if you consider appointing a special counsel, you have to consider the cost and the benefits of doing it. there is no legal requirement to appoint a special counsel. it's an ex -- call, and it should be known people tend to tight or doubt independence of the attorney general himself. so when you get someone who is running for president against your boss, as it goes, it's a fair question to ask. but when you think about the cost and the benefits here, what is the benefit? maybe that you get the creation of a dependence, but probably not. think about the way robert mueller was treated. you couldn't find a more fair person in america, in fact, one with republican bona fides and then you have trump going to town on him, accusing him of being partisan. and so the cost, on the other hand, is that it would setback the investigation considerably,

i think tassel most art over after both of these investigations have been underway for sometime. so my hunch is we will not see a special prostitute prosecute -- the timing on all of this i guess -- does a tiebreak feel a bit of? do you kept scarlett's consider something before the end of the year? i was a no one has a crystal paul. but given the prosecutors that they have appointed, and just the evidence that they've amassed already, do you think that we could be looking at ace in the coming weeks? orders raymond dearie, the special master, have to finish his review of the potentially privileged documents before garland can do anything? well i think at the very, lays the waits until november 22nd which is the day that the 11th circuit is going to have a hearing on the justice department's motion to just get rid of the special master altogether in that case. so that is certainly -- that just before thanksgiving. it seems that this case is getting closer, they had people in the gradually, recently,

hash patel apparently in the gradually not time long ago. that strikes me as the things you do if you get towards an end of an investigation. i don't know if we will say before the end of the year, but i would be surprised to see charges within the next couple of months. >> you know there's another of course your day investigation that mcgahn is overseeing, that's january six. doj subpoenaed dozens of low level people in the trump administration, and they have been talking about a number of different aspects related to january six. how does her mar-a-lago, in a potential indictment there complicate things for a potential second indictment into january 6th -- vis-à-vis january six, when we're talking about someone who is now effectively the republican front runner in a presidential campaign? >> it's -- a major has been a little bit. you know, it's always challenging for prosecutors to fight a battle on two fronts, and it does happen from time to time when someone is charged with crimes that are sort of unrelated and can't be joined in the same excitement under the joined rules of the

criminal procedure. also think that the january six case, it still has to be a bit off. it's just a much more complex case, a little more difficult to get one's arms around. so the mar-a-lago case seems pretty discreet, and that it could be tried fairly quickly as you said, maybe in the next couple of months. january 6th case, i think itself probably many months off. but you could have two different cases pending. remember paul manafort had two cases, one in virginia, one at washington d.c.. you know sometimes you get into a little bit of a back and forth where one judge was on one thing, another judge was on something else. it makes things a little bit difficult to coordinate. but i don't think it will stop them. i don't feel that this announcement supplement anyway. we've almost january 21st that donald trump would be candidate for president one way or another, so i don't know that making a formal announcement really changes anything. if you allow someone to require a special counsel just because you are now for president, that any defendant could announce his campaign for presidency at anytime. and i don't think we want to be on that road. >> a fair point, we also know

that donald trump will definitely try to raise campaign funds based on any potential criminal indictment because of a pass as president. barbara quite! former u.s. president -- u.s. michigan, thank you as always, barber your wisdom and time! we will be right back. >> thanks alex. >> thanks alex

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will see you again tomorrow, now it is time for the last word with lawrence o'donnell. good evening lawrence! o'd>> good evening alex, it