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watching that could be called any moment now. steve kornacki is here to show us where that race stands. as we await official word on which party takes over the lower chamber we will look into which person might take the gavel. you might have seen the kevin mccarthy, won an overwhelming majority of gop votes to be the nominee for speaker last night, but that doesn't mean he's got it on lock. even if his party does win back the majority, kevin mccarthy has a lot of work to do. and it's not just mccarthy. in the lower chamber. mcconnell might be losing some of his grip in the upper. for the first time in his 16 years as leader, mitch mcconnell faced a challenger. jake sherman of punchbowl is here with what it all mean force the gop. of course, hanging over all of this is donald trump. the grand old storm cloud that won't blow away. his announcement last night is being panned by many as low energy, and stale. donors are publicly saying they

have had enough. and lawmakers are saying ron desantis is the future. and even fox news cut away from his mar-a-lago announcement last night. heck the new york post barely touched the story and instead teasing to a page 26 blush on a florida man who made an announcement. can the gop really count donald trump out? and if they do, can anyone else count on his up until now immovable base? maybe, maybe not. either way, the white house is feeling good today. "the new york times" reports they've already got a plan in place for 2024, should president joe biden decide to run again. so let's get the picture of it all, joining me now at the big board for a look at where those races stand, those house races, nbc news national political correspondent steve kornacki. so i know there are a lot of races yet on call, but there is one that we're watching. talk to me about it. >> yes, i think there are actually two potentially today, or in the next few hours, so

take a look, what you see here are the uncalled races. republicans right now are sitting at 217 seats. literally one seat away from hitting that magic number of 218 and getting majority of the democrats meanwhile are at 209. this is your list of uncalled races. there are nine of them. so in terms of the republicans hitting that magic number, i think there's two places to be looking this afternoon. number one would be the third district of california. you can see, this is geographically big but the population basically extends from the sacramento suburbs, out to the sierra nevadas, that ski country there, and we were expecting a much bigger update yesterday from placer county. this is the biggest county in the district. and they had not released any ballot force a couple of days. they were set to release yesterday. they released about 450. they're not going to release any more they say now until friday. so the count has been exceptionally slow in the largest part of that district here. so i think you see indications

here that favor the republican but we may get more votes from other parts of that district today that might add some clarity to that picture. again, overall, the republican there, you can see leading by more than 10,000 votes. and in the other place to look, probably around 7:00 eastern tonight, that's the schedule that they've been keeping to in l.a. county, this is in l.a. county, a based district, the 27th. mike garcia, the republican incumbent, with a lead here of over 13,000 votes over christie smith. this is a rematch of what was one of the closest house races in the country in 2020 but garcia so far has been hitting numbers his campaign, i think he is very happy with. and the democrat all but conceded several days ago on twitter. more than 70% of the vote is. in i think 7:00 eastern or so tonight, we are expecting another significant update of votes from los angeles county. that could move this. that could add a lot of clarity to this race. again, the republican win in the 27th, they're at their number. they have the majority. that's 218. a republican win in the third,

they got their number. they're at 218. so again, there is a question here of if and when they hit that today, and officially have the majority, and then the second question, just becomes how big would that majority ultimately be where they have any kind of a pad. if they got the third, if they got the 27th, they would be at 219, and if lauren boebert hangs on in colorado, third, they would be at 220. there is a very competitive race in california's 13th that could probably go either way. so i think, you know, republicans, is it going to be 220, is it going to be 221? that seems to be where this looks like it will most likely land. first they got to get to 218 and we will see if there is a call there today. >> show me lauren boebert's district one more time to show you where it stands. there is a lead of 1100. there is a deadline tonight, midnight wednesday night, for the curing of ballots, so i think tomorrow is when we will get some clarity potentially in the boebert race. >> so interesting that we are still talking about that race in

particular. steve kornacki, thank you so much. let's talk about margins here, because margins matter. and to do that, let's bring in from capitol hill punchbowl an msnbc political contributor jake sherman. 220, 221, this is a tight margin for the republicans to control the house and an even tighter margin for someone like kevin mccarthy to try to control that caucus of republicans, what is happening? is kevin mccarthy going to be leader? could anybody else be leader if it wasn't kevin mccarthy? >> well, there's a lot of questions there that need to be addressed. number one, is he going to be the speaker. he won the internal party ballot yesterday as you indicated, with 188 votes, which leads him, leaves him a significant away from 218. let's put aside for a moment whether he will get to 218. he has about seven weeks to move a lot of votes, i mean we're

talking about 20-something votes, 30 votes, to his side, and what is he going to do to get those votes? he will have to cut deals. he will have to convince the conservative holdouts that he is the guy who is going to run the in tuition guest. how does he do that. there is a whole host of ways. he says he is going to open up the process at 1:00 p.m. today which i guess is an hour ago. they started voting on party rules. all sorts of party rules that are designed to give members more power in the legislative process. but here's the risk for him, katy. if he caters too much to the right, he will lose, he risks losing votes from the middle, from the moderates. when you have a 220 to 222 seat majority, you need to watch both of those polls. you need to watch the conservatives and you need to watch all of the republicans that were elected in blue states like new york who are going to not want to go along with the most conservative members of the conference.

so a balancing act like we've never seen before, i mean you and i have been talking for years about the power of the speaker. how the speaker controls the conference. back to paul ryan, nancy pelosi, john boehner. paul ryan had 247 house republicans. you can't forget that. that is incredibly important. and he struggled to control those people. so you're talking about a margin of two, three, four votes, katy, and it is just incredibly difficult to manage. i can't understand state that. so you will have a senate that will be either 50-50 or 51-49 and a house that is a three or four seat margin in a conference that is going to be much tougher to control than house democrats. >> let me ask you this. we just got a note from our nbc news producers on the hill, where they caught up with kevin mccarthy and they asked him if he was going to endorse donald trump. we're trying to turn the audio so that we can play it for you here. but i'll read you, he was asked, multiple times, will you endorse

former president donald trump, and mccarthy's answer was, why are you asking? basically why. are you prepared to endorse him? do you endorse him? you guys are crazy, he says. and he walks away. that says a lot, doesn't it? go through that for me, how do you analyze that? >> well, a few things. number one, he is trying to stay focused on the speaker race and anything he says is going to be used against him in the house republican conference, including that, where people are going to question his fealty to donald trump. that's number one. number two, if you talk to people in mccarthy's circle, his political orbit, they feel resoundingly the donald trump fueled and endorsed camps in the country, north carolina, ohio, they lost and got beat bad. so there is that dynamic in play, too. but mccarthy has to be incredibly, incredibly careful about what he says, and that's what you see here. i mean i will say this, though

katy, if anybody doubts kevin mccarthy's loyalty to donald trump, you haven't been watching, and not you, but one has not been watching kevin mccarthy going back to january 6th of 2021, where he was the first person down to mar-a-lago to help in a sense rehabilitate donald trump after the insurrection. so i don't doubt mccarthy will stay loyal to trump. i don't know that trump will stay loyal to mccarthy. but i don't doubt mccarthy will -- >> we will have to see how donald trump reacts to audio like that where kevin mccarthy declines to fully endorse him and what that results in. quickly, mcconnell, staving off his challenger, but getting a challenger? that feels like a big deal considering his grip on the gop in that upper chamber, it has been locked for so many years now. >> 16 years, he's going to become the largest-serving senate leader of any party. in january, beating mike mansfield.

somebody finally had the gumption to go after him, unfortunately rick scott, the nrsc, the republican senatorial committee failed to get the majority in the senate so that wasn't a great candidate. listen, i have two 240u9 thoughts. number one, it does show that to some degree people are willing to stand up to mcconnell which they haven't been willing to in the past and number two, if you win this many votes against your opponent, you still have a pretty firm grip on the senate republican leadership, so i think mcconnell is fine for now. he is getting up there in years. nobody thinks he will be around for another ten years. but he's fine for now and safe for now and he has the leadership role until the next congress at least. >> let's expand this conversation out to talk a little bit more about donald trump and what that means for the gop and also for the 2024 race. let's bring in from florida, from palm beach, florida, nbc senior capitol hill correspondent garrett haake and "washington post" senior national political correspondent, friend of the donald trump campaign trail, ashley parker.

also an msnbc political analyst. garrett, you were there last night. what was it like? >> you have always been to lots of donald trump events, this was not the high energy trump rally that we've all become so familiar with. he was reading from prepared remarks. he stayed very much on script. and painted a dark picture of the country that he said needs him to save it, basically. what we saw from the former president today was almost an inverse of what we heard from president biden in his post-midterm press conference, where president biden had argued that things are actually going better in this country and will be going better than most people realize. trump did the opposite last night, arguing that things are much worse in this country than most people realize, and by 2024, it will be more clear to them. we also saw kind of the skeleton crew for mr. trump here. not in a big bang senators, not a lot of lawmaker, not a lot of top flight professionals within the republican party campaign

apparatus there with him. this was kind of a slow rollout at the start of what is going to be a 700-plus day slug until election day, katy. >> ashley, this is something that a lot of republicans had been dreading, and there are a lot of allies for him who say they wanted him to at least push back the announcement until after georgia. he's currently in as vulnerable a position as he has been, but donald trump has been in these positions before, where the republican party flees and says we can't support him at all,'s not our nominee, and i can't stand by this behavior, only to see all of them fall back in line. and i mean we saw donors talking about not donating to him today. some big name donors. lawmakers saying that ron desantis is the future. former donald trump officials saying that it's time to move on. and the list does go on in this moment. but what is your sense of caution as we go forward?

>> both things are incredibly true. the former president is as vulnerable as we've ever seen him. there has been a few moments like this and as you mentioned, katy, going back to 2015, where donors didn't want him, republican leadership didn't want him, republican politicians didn't want him and you and i started covering him and have been paying attention to him in various forms for the past seven years. so the concern for him is this, that a number of people who were always privately say they were there, are coming out and saying so publicly. and the note of caution for why they say it is hard for the republican party to potentially move past trump is a couple-fold. one is he is moving a couple of big donors and someone in the orbit put it to me yesterday, the money matters a little less, and not because of he is a billionaire and he is an earned media machine and does well with small dollar donor. and the other spin in the orbit,

and we have to see how it plays out, this is how donald trump is most comfortable, he loves to be an underestimated underdog, an outsider, running against the establishment, running against an incumbent. the flip side is he sort of has a lot of the down side of 2015 again, where he is not really welcomed, and a lot of it, the baggage, and the damage of 2020, and being an incumbent president. so none of the advantages of the incumbency, he is not in the oval any more but a lot of the disadvantages because people can look at how he spent the past four years as president. >> as a reminder last night, he talked about the pandemic and his response to the pandemic, and i just remember the chaos in those moments of the u.s. response to the pandemic, and jake sherman, i don't know if that was a great reminder of his presidency for a lot of americans, because it was such a scary moment. but there's also the impeachments, he was impeached twice, there's the insurrection, there is so much there. what is the talk today on capitol hill about donald trump and the prospect of him getting

close to the white house again? >> i can tell you in the senate, they want nothing to do with him by and large for the most part. you've got a very chilly reception. the only member of congress that i saw that was down at mar-a-lago was madison cau thorn, a member of congress for another seven weeks or so. and you can tell, the mccarthy thing, the more i think about it, it is important. someone who has been with him an not willing to embrace him immediately is quite important. i will say in the house, the majority of house republicans, i would guess, i venture to guess, are behind him. but i had a republican put it to me like this yesterday. if you think that the voters took a chance on him in 2016, voters who thought he was something new and different and he was a businessman and key handle the government different than anybody else, you believed that they're going to vote for him again, then you're mistaken. i don't know that to be true. i don't know that anyone knows

that to be true. but people who are in front of voters all the time, members of congress, probably probably have a better sense than we do. >> really interesting the dynamics are fascinating. garrett, i think you want to join in. >> well, i just wanted to jump in. this is exactly the argument that mitch mcconnell has been making, any time anyone asks him about the last election saying that republican candidates were turned off by the perception that they, and their leadership, and by that, he's pointing toward donald trump, were too extreme, and independents and moderates were not interested in playing ball. that's, you know, that's the whole ball game if you want to be elected president, it is one thing to get to a republican primary, which donald trump is probably still the favorite until somebody shows that they can stop him, but it is a whole 'nother thing to say you can win over that vast middle of the country including folks who took a chance on him once and far less inclined to do so again. >> and the white house says they have a plan for how to go after donald trump, in 2024, should joe biden firmly choose to run again.

i know he says he intends to, but should he make the announcement, and officially file as a candidate. we have that kevin mccarthy sound that i mentioned a moment ago. so let's play it. >> do you plan to support donald trump? do you want limb to run? >> you can barely hear it. it is just so funny watching the camera pan as the small gaggle of reporters chase him. it looks like monty python sometimes. thank you very much. appreciate it. garrett, it looks beautiful down there in florida. definite lay bit jealous. and the secretary of defense and the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff just called a news conference a couple of minutes ago about the explosion in poland yesterday. what they said to vladimir putin. and the senate will vote to make same-sex marriage a federal law. what we expect to happen in congress today. plus, what ticket master did with taylor swift concert tickets that has some lawmakers

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it wasn't russia, the united states confirmed that the explosion in poland yesterday was likely from the ukrainian defense missile. it happened four miles over the border and killed two farmers. today the secretary of defense and chairman of the joint chiefs say even though it was a ukrainian missile, russia is still ultimately to blame. >> wars are not fought by armies. they're fought by nations. this war is fought by the ukrainian people and it's fought by the russian people. and this is a war that russia's leadership has chosen to put russia into. they didn't have to do this. but they did. and they have violated ukrainian

sovereignty, they have violated the territorial integrity of ukraine. it is in complete contradiction to the basic rules that underline the united nations charter established at the end of world war ii. >> joining me now from kherson is nbc news chief foreign correspondent richard engel. it has been a tense 24 hours, people holding their breath when that explosion was first reported worried how it might escalate. i find it interesting that the united states is saying yes, it was ukrainian air defense missile, we believe, but ultimately it doesn't matter because russia is at fault. what you are hearing from inside ukraine? >> reporter: so this has been somewhat embarrassing for ukraine, but i think the government is taking it is, confident and is happy that it is getting this kind of reception, that the ukrainians being blamed for this crisis,

even though it is a ukrainian air defense system that went into poland. the reason that the united states and nato had the same line, that it's not ukraine's fault, but russia's fault, is because russia's the aggressor, russia is attacking, and last night, while this incident took place, russia was carrying out perhaps the biggest round of air strikes against ukraine since this war began a year ago in february. so russia, ukraine was responding to a volley of incoming rockets so that's the reason it was firing at air defenses in the first place which is why i think u.s. officials and nato officials are saying that ultimately russia is responsible. how has ukraine been responding today? they haven't been talking about it much because i think president zelenskyy went a little bit, got a little bit ahead of themselves yesterday by accusing russia so quickly. but i think what this larger situation reflects is that this was a fire alarm. this turned out to be not a dramatic crisis. russia didn't attack a nato

country. but you saw how quickly world leaders got spun up. polish leadership went into something of a national crisis. they had an emergency meeting in the middle of the night at the g-7, also emergency meetings were held, phone calls around the world that the united states military, the pentagon called the kremlin on a hot line, apparently the kremlin didn't respond to that phone call. so this was quickly contained. but there was a fire alarm. and it shows how serious this fire could be. >> richard, it looks like you're in a black hole. what's the power situation over there, the electricity? >> there is no electricity. this is one of the most blacked out cities that i've ever seen. oftentimes you talk about a blackout, and occasionally a light on in a window ear or there in the distance, when you look around now there is nothing. we are operating on battery power. those are really the only lights that are around. there are a few generators in

this city, generators in the city, but there is a shortage of fuel as well. there's no water. but things are being repaired quickly. there is still a spirit of optimism despite the total darkness here, despite the lack of water because the russians have been driven out and just yesterday, the ukrainian authorities brought in a cell phone tower, so there is some cell phone service here, it is very minimal, it is spotty, but it is a, the hope is they will be able to repair the roads and quickly bring in more basic supplies and more services. >> it's wild, you really do look like you're in a black hole. some lights behind you. a car is driving behind you. richard, thank you very much. >> there's a car. it's a car. but there is also a curfew at 5:00 p.m. so usually the only cars that are moving are local patrols and the police. >> got it. richard, thank you. joining me now is former under secretary of state for public diplomacy and public

affairs, richard stangle, an msnbc political analyst. i think richard appropriately labeled it, this was a fire drill. how did we do? well, this is the thing we are all afraid of and we're all hoping doesn't happen. russia attacking a nato country. as you know, katy, article five of the nato agreement says that if a nato country attacks all other nay co countries have to come to the country's aid. the only time it has been invoked was after 9/11. so it was a fire drill. there was a nato meeting about it. i'm sure there were lots of phone calls back and forth, as richard said, the u.s. checked with the kremlin, you know, that line is usually open, i don't know why it wasn't in this case, so i think it was a successful fire drill, in the sense that the dog didn't bark in the night. that it wasn't exactly what we thought, and people didn't overreact, and calmer heads

prevailed. >> it does show how precarious this situation is. i mean it is remarkable that as long as this war has been going on, this is the first time something has crossed a boundary. what do you do if this wasn't a ukrainian defense missile? what if this was, i'm not saying it was, but if what if it was in the future a russian missile that just went a little off course? >> well, katy, i'm sure there were some angry phone calls in the kremlin, you know, from putin to other people saying what the heck happened here. believe me that is putin's greatest nightmare, that you'll have the forces of nato aligned against russia. you have, you know, ukraine, which is not a military power house, you know, doing well against russia, against all odds, i mean the combined capacity of nato countries

against russia just dwarfs the russian military. so this is something that putin doesn't want. but the whole problem with this war of aggression, that they have committed in the heart of europe, a country, european countries surrounded by other nato countries that it can bleed over very, very easily. your map shows the border between ukraine and poland and there are millions of ukrainians who are now in poland, so the likelihood that this can happen is high. that's what people are afraid of. >> there's likely more scenarios played out if something like that does happen. you can bring us inside what those must sound like, what they must be like, with the national security council and between nations and say an accidental rocket lands in another country and it is accidental, how does nato respond? >> so there are huge books and information about how nato

responds in all of these circumstances. i mean nato is one of the most organized entities in the world. they probably have a different plan for tuesday than for wednesday than for thursday. and i'm sure people were looking at those plans and that's what those conversations were about. i mean i think the scale would matter. the attack in poland, if it had been a russian attack, ie a missile that was accidentally, that accidentally went there, that is different than russia attacking a nato country. i mean russia attacking a nato country would be insane. even more insane than russia attacking ukraine. so i mean i hope that scenario doesn't happen. but that, if that did happen, that would spell the end of russian military campaign in europe, and maybe even the end of the putin regime. >> scary stuff. thank you very much for being with us as always. and coming up, everything

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including our lighter scent. today, the senate will vote on a bipartisan bill that will codify federal protections for same-sex marriage. democrats are aiming to pass legislation before the starts of the new congress in january with republicans likely to take back control of the house but the bill has just gained at least one surprising conservative backer, the mormon church which says in a new state that the respect for marriage act is quote the way forward, according to the church's view. joining me now from capitol hill is nbc's ali vitali. where does the vote count stand? >> reporter: yes, that is the open question here, katy, base those, did because those senators who are whipping the bill, close to the process, say they have the number that they need to hit the badgic number of 60 and avoid a filibuster and move it forward. what really today is, is a

procedural vote by the senate to get on to the bill and if they get 60 or more here, it is really on a guide path from there. right now, we can count to six republican yeses, five on the screen and i will tell you the six e-sixth because it just came to us in the last minute or so before i came on with you, but he see it there, tom tillis and susan collins, and rob portman, the lead republican, and lisa murkowski and mitt romney yess, and roy blunt, the departing senator from missouri adding his name as the sixth person on that list. i can count to ten though if i start thinking about the senators who might want to decide this on the floor. people like joany ex rnst, richard burr and pat toomey. some of the people we are looking at the most closely as republicans and democrats both try to get to the ten republicans that they need to actually hit 60 here. but this is likely something, katy, that we will see come together on the floor, just about 30 or 45 minutes from now, once they actually kick off this

process. >> why would they wait to decide on the floor and not just announce their support, or nonsupport, before then? >> reporter: it is a really good question. one that we've been asking them in the halls. some of them say they want to take more time to talk with their staff, to talk with their constituents, and other of them want to just leave this up. maybe they're not telling the press but telling the people who are whipping this bill. there are many reasons why senators might want to keep what they're planning on doing a secret. but nevertheless, we probably won't have to wait too much longer. look, this was something that was a hangover from the congress before the midterm election and the view of many of the people who are close to the process then was after the midterms, people might feel a little bit more free, the political consequences might be less swift, if this is something once the dust has settled on the 2022 midterms. now we will end up seeing if they're right or not. >> what about the debt ceiling? >> reporter: what about the debt ceiling? that is one that a lot of people are asking about. because of the way that congress might be shifting. we know that republicans are likely to take control of the

house. we've seen people like senator elizabeth warren come out and say she wants to see the senate and the house deal with the debt cerealing in the immediate term, in this lame duck period, sort of an instance of dealing with what you know versus what you don't know, because it is not a given, especially with the margins as tight as they're likely to be in the house, that republicans just move forward, in lock-step on the basic fundamentals of funding the government. so this is what democrats are trying to avoid, by moving on something like the debt cerealing in this lame duck period. unclear that they actually have the vote to do so. and by the way, there are a few different approaches that are being talked about, whether it is raising the debt ceiling and doing away completely and raising by a set amount, a few different options. >> ali, do you need tickets? >> no. i don't want to talk about it. >> we will talk about it. it's me. ticketmaster. i'm the problem. it's me. what happened last night that put ticketmaster in the sights of congress.

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what do you, how do you see it as somebody who studies all of our history? >> well, i'm a foreign policy, on the foreign policy front, we have to make sure that nato comes first. under donald trump, we started denigrating nato. and that quick scare that we had with poland yesterday which has kind of dissipated now, but it reminds you how you need to have the western alliance together, western europe, united states, canada. also i'm always worried about china and i think president biden's trip there was good, a calming influence and no new cold war about to happen and i think it was his best foreign trip yet. donald trump is in the news. not saying he is running for president, but nobody seemed to care much, it is like, i don't know if you remember, lyndon larouche, he used to be a crazy conspiracy guy who wanted to run for president and it felt that way with trump, that nobody wants to photo op with him at this point. we'll see. he's not over yet.

but, and then the elections, we're epic, democracy seems to have been prevailed and you have been doing a great job covering all of that and i appreciate it. >> did you breathe a little bit easier wednesday morning? >> oh, my god. so much easier. although i grew up in ohio, and seeing tim ryan lose to me was a little tough because i thought he was an extremely good candidate. i thought it would be kind of like it was. i lout that laxalt would have won in nevada and i thought warnock would have gotten the 50s threshold so i got some stuff wrong like everybody, but look, it will be tough doing anything next year, the politics are so fierce. >> it is so divided. i find what is sort of interesting about your book, you talk about a silent spring revolution and rachel carson and how her book opened the eyes of people in pockets of power to really take more focus and care on the environment, and what was

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swifties can't shake it off. now, some lawmakers are joining the chorus, calling for action against ticketmaster. which as a result of the 2010 morninger with live nation controlled 80% of venue ticket sales, prices, and fees. nbc's jacob soboroff has more on the fallout. >> hey there, keep in mind all of this chaos was over the pre-sale. ticketmaster says it was the biggest in history and when swifties elected to take part, they crashed the site at one point, criticism poured in, and well, swiftly. ♪ >> it was an emotional rollercoaster for taylor swift fans. >> i'm not getting tickets. >> thank god i requested the entire day off to get taylor swift tickets. >> pre-sale tickets for the highly anticipated eras tour went on sale at 10:00 a.m. tuesday but ticketmaster started

glitching as early as 9:00. >> i haven't experienced anything like this before. we have been waiting all day. >> frustration immediately filled up online. one twitter user saying in part, trying to figure out how ticketmaster wasn't prepared for the demand. ticket matter handled out access to early seats through the new verified fan system, which required pre-registration. but when the big moment came, ticketmaster's website crashed. ♪ >> the one mother and daughter duo, they thought they would be one of the lucky ones. they were next in line to score six tickets to the show in pittsburgh. but then -- >> it started all over and it jumped us back to like 2,000 plus. >> this comes at a time when big name concerts are in high demand again after an extended pandemic-fueled break. ticket sales for 202, up 37% compared to 2019 pre-pandemic. in a statement, the company is saying there was unprecedented demand. with millions showing up to buy

tickets. ♪ >> the frustration over prices, availability, and access came swiftly. ♪ i'm going out tonight. >> the ticketmaster fees, about $50, are top of the ticket price. >> there's a lot of extra money on top of what you're paying. >> after five hours in the queue, success for sara and elly. >> i think people are just jumping at the chance to finally get to see her after three and a half years. >> even for the oshefski family their patience paid off. >> we looked at each other, oh, my god, we're in and we're doing this. ♪ >> we reached out to taylor swift's team and we have not heard on. the capital one card holders presale was today. and regular ticket sales go on sale friday. back to you. >> jacob, covering taylor swift, that's going to do it for me today. i'm going to try to get tickets but i'm told that it is basically impossible. so oh, well.

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