good day, i'm chris jansing live at msnbc headquarters in new york city. we start with the end of an era and the opening of a huge question, nancy pelosi stepping back from leadership after an extraordinary 19-plus years of leading her house caucus, but insisting she will remain in the house as a member of congress. >> my friends, no matter what title you all, my colleagues, have bestowed upon me, speaker, leader, whip, there is no greater official honor for me than to stand on this floor and to speak for the people of san francisco. >> that huge question, who will replace her? well, just moments ago, during that commercial break, the number two democrat in the house, congressman steny hoyer announced he will also not run

for leadership. plus you've got to see it to believe it, herschel walker comparing his opponent raphael warnock to a vampire. we will have a live report from georgia and explain what that has to do with the senate race there. finally, in the last hour, the fbi director's scary new morning about drones armed with i.e.d.s here in the u.s. and the tool he uses to stop them that he is about to lose. thet start with the hugely consequential shift in power on capitol hill. it's playing out in realtime, right now. republicans of course officially winning control of the house, and now, speaker pelosi announcing her own future plans just moments ago. >> with great confidence in our caucus, i will not seek re-election to democratic leadership in the next congress. for maybe it comes from a new generation to lead the democratic caucus that i so deeply respect. and i'm grateful that so many are ready and willing to

shoulder this awesome responsibility. >> the man most likely to take her job as speaker is kevin mccarthy with a very slim majority meaning members including those on the far right will have an extraordinary amount of leverage over what the caucus does and does not do. as republican adam kinzinger told our nicolle wallace last night, mccarthy will essentially be held hostage by his colleagues. >> he is going to be completely hostage. so first off, marjorie taylor green recently said she is all in with kevin mccarthy. listen, she doesn't say something unless she has been promised something. matt gaetz is against marjorie taylor green because he wants to be more famous than her. any one of those people, a couple two or three can deny the 218 votes he needs so he will be walking around cutting deals with the crazies, i call them the freedom club, kevin mccarthy is a coward, if he becomes speaker, it will be the worst time of his life, and history will not be kind to him. >> i want to bring in nbc news

capitol hill correspondent ali vitali, jackie alemanyn, "washington post" and msnbc contributor. ali, so much to talk about. lots of standing ovation on the floor of the house, but does how does pelosi's decision potentially change the way her party will be run? >> chris, it's going to change it significantly. and i think this whole building had a collective exhale because everyone here that i've been talking to on the democratic side seems to be holding their breath, waiting for what the speaker of the house's decision would be, now we know, nancy pelosi will remain in sort of an emeritus role here but stepping away from leadership, keeping her seat, representing san francisco, and it now seems from what my sources have told me and from what now leader hoyer is saying himself, that he will also keep his seat but remove himself from leadership, not seeking that leadership re-election. so that takes care of the old guard of the top and second

democrats who have been on top of the caucus for years now. and think about it this way, chris, speaker pelosi is iconic for so many reasons in this building, not just because she was the first female speaker of the house but for the many, many years she has been here, for many of the rank and file members of the democratic caucus, her 20 years as leader, not having her now, marks a real sea change. just changing the way that business as usual is done in this caucus, and the man who we're likely to see step into that spot at the top of the democratic rung here in congress is likely hakim jeff ris, and with him comes another trio that we have been watching very closely and what we're likely to see happen here as the machinations start on capitol hill now that pelosi has announced her intention, that we are likely to see people coalesce around jeffries and even hoyer, saying he would

throw his support behind jeffries and likely katherine clark, the current assistant speaker step into the role as number two, and potentially pete augiliar as number three, this is a diverse group of leadership, a younger group of leadership and that's the landscape that in this is playing out against right now. that even as will is such reverence and respect for speaker pelosi, the way that she commands her caucus, the way sha that she understands how to use leverage, how to bend power structures to what she needs in that moment, there has also really been a drum beat for new leadership, younger leadership, that is representative of the current leaders of the democratic party. and it is clear now that pelosi leaving, hoyer announcing his own decision, that that's clearing the way for that next era of leadership on the democratic side, even as they prepare for at least two years in the minority. >> i want to bring in curt, the adviser for the dnc who used to work for the house republicans. i mean wow, sea change is right, ali used that phrase and when you talk about the machinations

that may be going on behind the scenes, we're talking about both sides, right? because this is a huge change. now the republicans, not the democrats are in charge. nancy pelosi is gone. who is going to lead on the republican side? who is going to be wielding the real power on the republican side. take us behind the scenes for what does it look like? >> well, despite all of the ink that the speakers a race is getting and all of the back and forth we're seeing from ketch mccarthy, i think one of the most important positions in the entire congress now belongs to jim jordan, the would-be chairman of the house judiciary committee. as well as jim comber the would-be oversight commit chairman, those two will wield a tremendous amount of power and policy making will not be the card, they won't get a whole lot of things done with a narrow majority and opposition senate and a president of a different party, it is a dynamic after the 201 election when i was working in congress and for the oversight committee, and we knew

back then, the one thing that we could get done unilaterally without any bipartisan support was oversight investigations, that seems to be what republicans will lean into and what jordan, able to issue subpoenas and have hearings and do depositions, and drive investigations, drive media coverage, they are going to have a stranglehold on the attention, on the media spotlight in this congress, much more so frankly than the actual leadership will be and those are the key adversaries that democrats have to contend with, and i think it is vital for democrats, that as just we're seeing this transition that will happen, this generational transition happen in the democratic leadership, they will have to do the same thing at the committee level, because that's where the role work and the trench warfare that is about to be engaged in by republicans on the white house, that's where that is going to happen. >> jackie alemanny, you have covered, few have covered it better than you do, so what are you expecting now? >> i just have to note, just for history sake, while all of the entire democratic caucus is

still filtering out of the rotunda, which is right below me, is that hakim jeffries will become the first black person to be a party leader in congress. so not just as this generational trio coming in, and they're being a distinctive change in the leadership structure, but this other history is being made today as well. but as for house gop conference, it's also been an exciting day, congressman comber and jim jordan are going to be, as curt noted, heading up the two most powerful investigative committees in the house, house judiciary and house oversight, geeving up to cover hunter biden and investigate the quote-unquote, what they view as the politicalization of the fbi. but this is already a part of a long-running pattern that we've seen from republicans, generally speaking, across the party, of

trying to sort of put out this smear campaign against the fbi and the d.o.j. they're claiming that they are trying to call out whistle-blowers, putting out calls for people to come forward and speak to them who have in some way seen this politicization with the fbi, so far they haven't come up with much and also it is worth noting that hunter biden has been investigated for several years now, and no charges have yet to be pressed, and so we'll also see what that investigation pans out, and then meanwhile, the other most probably important investigative body in the congress, at least right now, the house january 6th, the house select committee investigating the january 6th insurrection, is wrapping up their work, scrambling to finish their report and get that out the door before january 3rd. >> i don't have to tell you, this strikes a lot of people as an incredibly tricky strategy and i want to play part of what

much mcconnell said went wrong for the republicans in the midterms. >> we underperformed among voters who did not like president biden's performance, among independents, and among moderate republicans, who looked at us and concluded too much chaos, too much negativity, and we turned off a lot of these centrist voters. >> do house republicans think they can make the argument to the american people that what they're doing is oversight, not an extension of the negativity and chaos that mcconnell is warning about? >> well, let's be clear here, what the republicans are about to engage in is nothing more than taxpayer witch hunts, financed witch hunts masquerading as congressional oversight. they will do what they did during the obama years and hopefully doing a flurry of investigations and subpoenas, to

co opt the media and get the headlines and get the impression that there is a there there when actuality there is not. and politically perilous for republicans in this moment, after a very disappointing midterm where they underwith. performed where they spent the entirety of the midterm talking about what they said were kitchen table issues of inflation, and now not to have a policy agenda to address the things that every day americans care about. they don't care about witch hunts or would-be investigations, they want things done to improve their every day lives and democrats have in this election, we've seen a trifecta of legislation spearheaded by the speaker of the house and signed by the majority and the president to do things on the infrastructure and the economy and the chips act, the inflation reduction act, those are things that actually matter to voters, all of the while holding the line and trying to protect women's rights. for republicans to seize power in the house and decide that what the voters want is investigations, and witch hunts and going after the president's family, i think that's going to backfire significantly and put

them in even more peril heading into the 024 cycle. >> and while it is important to look ahead to what this all means and we will continue to have these conversations, i want to take a quick minute if i can, both ali and jackie, to talk about what we just saw on the floor of the house, a woman who broke down a glass ceiling, a woman who made opportunities for what is in this 117th congress more women serving in congress than in the history of the u.s. congress, talk a little bit about what made her so successful, ali. because staying on for that length of time is unbelievable. >> chris, i mean i write about this in my book, too, there was a world in which we did our presidential elections through a parliamentary system and we would have a president pelosi. she has risen up to kamala harris's elevation to vice president, pelosi has risen higher in american elected government than any woman prior to that point so the fact that she is here 20 years in leadership, wearing i think we

need to point out the, the fact that she is wearing the white suit, a nod to the feminist movement, of which she has been so keenly aligned, i think all of that is so important, when you think about what pelosi's legacy is within this caucus. but i was also looking this morning, when she was first elected to congress in 1987 there were only 23 women between republicans and democrats both serving in the u.s. house. now, there's five times as many. 123 in this current congress. pelosi made note of this, too, the idea that when she got into leadership, there were half as many women in leadership when she started as when she finishes now. all of that is so striking. and the other piece of this that i thought was important to note, that she talked about the power of the oath of office, that all of these lawmakers take throughout our government, how that binds you to the generations beforehand and i was struck by the fact that she mentioned congresswoman shirley chisholm, patsy, important women throughout history in american government who have been

trailblazers in their own right, and when we talk about women who are trailblazers, all of them are in this to lay bricks in the road for the generation that comes after them, to make that ground a little bit firmer, and certainly, that's going to be a key point of speaker pelosi's legacy, but then when you look at her politically, too, there are so many members and congresswoman debbie dingell was at this camera talking just before i was, how speaker pelosi, she is a formidable adversary, and a very, very staunch ally, but you want to be on her good side and many of the lawmakers in this building can talk about stories where they've seen what it is to be on her good side and what it is to have her as an enemy, trying to have them get to where she wants them to be. she is such a formidable legislator, and in addition to being a trailblazer. >> and what is key, as we heard so much, in the moments after, for things like the affordable care act, jackie, but also how she handled her caucus through many of these investigations, whether it was the impeachment, whether it was january 6th, or accusations against members of her own caucus.

>> yes, chris, there's two things i want to note, which is that, you know, the speaker is ending on a high note, despite the horrible circumstances that she has undergone these past few weeks with her husband being violently attacked and hospitalized, and not unfortunately able to make it today, on such a historic day. but throughout these few years, she has effectively kept her slim majority together. something that a potential speaker mccarthy is going to really struggle with. she has a handful of very important things passed, and an infrastructure bill, build back better, eventually, even after leader were sent back to the drawing board over and over again, she also passed a global competitiveness bill, a measure to help veterans exposed to pit burns. a handful of other important legislative accomplishments ma she's ending on. and the second thing i want to say, is i think newt gingrich said it best to my colleagues,

in an interview, ehave this great profile on pelosi that is out today, but he said last year and this is coming from a former republican leader that republicans greatly respect, but he said he could argue she is the strongest speaker in history, she has shown more capacity to organize muscle with really narrow margins which i would have thought impossible. >> which is exactly what we heard from the president, president biden calling her the best speaker in history. thank you all so much. a couple of political firsts worth noting in los angeles, history has been made, karen bass, the first woman elected mayor and only the second black in that city's 241-year history. it took a week for the results to be finalized. after a brutal fight that pitted her against the billionaire real estate developer rick caruso, who put more than $100 million of his own money into the

mayor's race. she comes in at a particularly tough time for l.a., with people increasingly furious about growing crime and homelessness, two issues she promised to tackle aggressively once in office. protections for same-sex marriage are now very close to becoming the law of the land, after clearing a key hurdle in the senate. a dozen republican senators joined all a democrats to open debate on the bill that gives federal protections for marriage equality and shields the issue from the supreme court. and some worry it could undermine gay marriage in the same way it did abortion, and it includes red state senators and indicates there is likely enough support to pass the bill. president biden says he will sign, it adding love is love, and americans should have the right to marry the person they love. an vampire movie with a werewolf. while the georgia senate hopeful herschel walker is comparing his campaign to a horror movie. and long hours with high intensity, the demands elon musk

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democratic caucus, and he is putting his support behind what he calls a new generation of democratic leaders, quote, which i hope to be. hakim jeffries and katherine clark and pete augilar we heard those names from ali vitali, an incredibly diverse leadership it would be if that turned out to be the new leadership of the democratic party. we keep getting statements in and we will keep you posted on reaction to nancy pelosi's decision. in the meantime, 19 days left until the georgia runoff and herschel walker and raphael warnock are on the campaign trail. warnock scheduled to speak any minute now as both fight for attention with the control of the senate no longer at stake. walker did draw attention yesterday when he talked about a vampire movie he just had seen, trying to tie it to his opponent. >> i want to tell you something. a werewolf can kill a vampire. did you know that? i don't want to be a vampire any more. i want to be a werewolf. this actor, he blitzes the house

with a holy water and walked the stairs and looking really good in the black suit and that sounds like rafael warnock, doesn't it, and the holy water and covered his eyes and took his hand away and started laughing, it doesn't work. that is the way it is in life. it doesn't work unless you got faith. >> shaq brewster is there at the event for raphael war knock. and "if i alone can fix anything" carol leonig here with us and shaq, you were at the meet and greet with reverend warnock and how are voters backing him and you heard the reaction from the vampire werewolf comparisons from his campaign. >> no reaction just yet but the senator jut hit the stage literally just now so we will keep an eye out to see if he responds to. that one thing we're hearing

from this campaign is them trying to double down on what they saw on election day and ahead of election day. they said that they have more than, they have 900 paid staffers across the state, and some 18 offices across the state, and they know that mobilizing their voters are going to be a key issue, but you're also seeing focus on republican voters in this state. we're in peach county. this is a brian that brian kemp, the governor won by about 55%. you saw herschel walker win, but with 52%. so you have rafael warnock and his campaign going after those republican voters, people who supported kemp, but did not support herschel walker. and you see that even in the new ad that just came out today. let's have a quick look. >> i'm voting republican the rest of my life and i was proud to support brian kemp. the way i heard about herschel walker, i became concerned about his honesty, his hypocrisy, but also just his ability to lead. i just can't get past herschel walker's lack of character.

>> reporter: walker's also out with a new ad today as well, focused on his personality, saying he has a heart of a servant, you really get that intensity and the feeling that the intensity on the trail is pick up, chris. >> i'll let you go, shaq and have a listen and let us know if anything interesting happening as he gives his stump speech i'm sure. basil, vampires, werewolves, election denial, it sounds like a joke but is it how walker is and people find him approachable and a great football player and it got him to a runoff, so maybe they think that will motivate his base? maybe that is what they think and shouldn't change what got him to this point? what do you make of what is going on these days? >> well, well you know, like ali in the earlier segment in talking about parliamentary elections because they're not voting for herschel walker because he is this great policy

guru, they are voting for him he is a vehicle, a means to enenact an entire agenda and that's what it at the heart of it and i have to put it, i have to say this about reverend warnock. we're actually part of the same fraternity, alpha pi alpha incorporated. we had a rally call just last night to try to get brothers in this fraternity, all over the country, and particularly in georgia to really come out and talk about the importance of leadership in this moment. when you add to what we're learning about nancy pelosi and hakim jeffries, to me what that says is there is a movement among democrats that is aspirational in this country, and what mitch mcconnell said about the quality of the candidates, the negativity coming out of that party, i think it is incumbent on reverend warnock and i know he is doing this but we need more surrogates out there talking about, this that what is happening on the republican side, is not beneficial to

republicans let alone democrats, so i think a lot of that momentum is on reverend warnock's side. and again, more comments like this from herschel walker, when you're playing that clip, i couldn't stop laughing. and i imagine there are a lot of other folks doing the same thing. >> care leonig, every candidate in a battle ground state around the country who denied the results of the 2020 election lost, walker deny the ruts. -- the results. he is the last domino to fall? >> i think it is important to emphasize the earlier point, about a lot of republicans holding their noise and sometimes just stifling a laugh at the now the most recent strange stream of consciousness of candidate walker, the werewolf and the vampire, you just sort of can't really put together what it is he's trying to communicate. but the nose holding is an

effort to make sure republicans win, period. end of sentence. and election deniers over and over again, in state after state, saw themselves fall and fail because they, they were pushing something voters really found abhorrent, factually demonstrably untrue information, suggesting dead people had voted. when the evidence showed that they hadn't. suggesting that votes and ballots were stuffed under tables and hidden, that were for trump, and denied him, that would have made the difference in the election. all of these claims were so demonstrably false and they were found to be putrid. in georgia, it sounds to me as if, obviously the results show this, the electorate is a little more divided about, are they going for the power of the gop? are they willing to put up with the election denying, just for

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on capitol hill, former prosecutor and msnbc legal analyst, carol leonig is back with us, how is the january 6th committee responding to mike pence, saying no? >> well, you heard adam kinzinger there and the statements that the committee has put out in private statements saying they're really frustrated. in general, they've been very supportive, almost complement tri of the actions that mike pence took on january 6th to prevent the peaceful transfer of power from being interrupted. and they've also been very generous with their back and forth of him, in attempting to elicit information from him. they worked out deals with many of pence's staffers for them to come in and testify, largely on their terms and they haven't taken the gres aggressive step of actually issuing a subpoena for mike pence, so the fact that we take this bold statement and actually declare that he doesn't believe he have an obligation to come before the committee obviously makes them very kbrup set.

they're probably too late in the game to try to issue a subpoena for him and try to get him in front of them, especially now it is clear that republicans will take the majority and this committee will come to an end, but there is no doubt that they're disappointed that this is the tact that he would take, given how they've interacted with him and his staff throughout the course of this investigation. >> let's talk about the reason he gave, shall we? he said it would establish a terrible precedent for congress to summon a vice president to talk about what took place at the white house and what do you make of that argument? >> chris, for one thing, what they assumed they were going to get into would be deliberations that might be protected by some privilege, i think it is unjustified. mike pence has given an account of what happened that day in other media, and i understand will detail that in a book that is about to come out, and it seems that he could have done the same thing here, for the historic record, and helped this branch of government fulfill their obligation to create an

account of what happened that day, and what we might learn from it. and all of that could have happened without maybe some of the harder legal questions that alluding to deliberations brings up. >> apart from the committee, tali, senator lindsey graham was scheduled to testify today before that georgia grand jury investigating criminal obstruction of the 2020 election, but his testimony has been delayed again, pushed until next tuesday. could these -- continual delays have any nev effect on the prosecution. >> any delay that happens in the life of a prosecution is serious and especially as they accumulate and we move farther away from the events in question and it starts to feel like, you know, justice is not being done. so it is hard to take any one delay as particularly devastating, but the cumulative effect of them, i think is

really demoralizing. and lots of us are feeling that at this point. >> so carol, a number of key officials have already testified before that georgia grand jury, what, state election officials, brad raffensperger, dave sterling, rudy giuliani, john eastman, i think the former white house counsel pat cipollone as well. would graham's testimony give different information? where does graham fit into this for them? >> the importance of graham's testimony, chris, is that he has what prosecutors like to call the ear of the president. he has the words of the president. he has had numerous conversations with him prior to reaching out to georgia officials himself and asking them what they could do about looking into election fraud. now, his ex ploesh is a big question mark. but really what prosecutors are seeking when they reach out to this senator is what did you do that is problematic, but now tell us what you and donald

trump discussed, as he was seeking, in multiple desperate forms, to get his own government and the state government to claim there was fraud when there was no evidence of that. >> carol, tali, ryan, thank you all very much. breaking news to tell you about. in the criminal tax fraud trial of the trump organization. the company's former cfo allen weisselberg said to be close to tears as the defense attorney grilled him over his actions. i want to bring in nbc's tom winter who is following this for us. what happened there, tom? >> reporter: right, so really, this testimony by allen weisselberg this morning in front of prosecutors at the manhattan district attorney's office and then the cross-examination, that you referenced, chris, underline why he is such a key witness in this case, because he spoke specifically to what the manhattan d.a.'s office says happened here. namely that weisselberg, and others in the trump organization, benefitted from a series of off the books type of arrangements they had where they

would get pre-tax benefits for his grandkid's education, for cars, and for apartments, and he said, on the witness stand, that he did that in conjunction with the trump controller who testified earlier this week, and also with the trump organization, and the trump corporation. but then, on cross-examination, the defense attorneys for the trump organization really tried to key in on the fact that this really had to do a lot with weisselberg's personal tax returns, and they tried to separate the company from the man, they said it was all about greed, he said it was, and to your point, when things get emotional for the trump organization cfo, he was asked, are you embarrassed by what you did, and he barely audibled said "i am" and he was asked are you ashamed and he said very much so. they broke to lunch after that. and he is expected to be back on the stand for the balance of the day. >> that is a lot of drama in a case that is often about a lot of numbers and usually insider

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out security failures and ben collins who covers disinformation, extremism and the internet. and ken, you've seen that report. you flagged that particularly scary warning in the hearing for us. tell us more. >> well, chris, on the drone issue, what chris wray was saying, was that authority was, the authority for fbi and the department of homeland security to prohibit drones from flying over special events like the super bowl and their ability to take down those drones with electronic jamming, that will lapse in the law next month unless congress passes a reauthorization and there is no sign that is imminent. so both wray and the dhs secretary mayorkas says this is a huge security threat. wray says events like the super bowl and new years eve at times square and the formula one race in arizona will not be protected from the threat of drones if this law is not passed and he went on to say that, as you played there, that there are instances they're investigating where people try to put bombs on drones in the united states and we're seeing in the ukraine war

that drones are increasingly lethal and precise. >> that's pretty terrifying, first of all. what does this new report from the committee tell us about the root cause of why this is? as dhs secretary mayorkas calls it, the most lethal and persistent terrorism-related threat to our country. >> so this report criticizes both the fbi and dhs and the four major social media platforms. it says that the fbi, the dhs, have not reacted quickly muff to the resources of the threat of domestic terrorism and doesn't have the data to track, it isn't putting enough into. it in terms of the social media companies, the report says their business models are essentially premised on the model that encourages extremism. because if they profit from engagement, and the things that are often are most engaging on social media are the things that make us angry, and they say that the only way this is going to change, despite the company saying they're taking downstreamist content that violates their guidelines, the only way this is going to change, this report says, is if congress steps in, and regulates

these companies. >> makes sense to you, ben, you look at this all the time, and as ken just points out, when you say to the social media companies, you know, there's so much out there that's bad, they say, look at all of the stuff we're removing. >> yes, and that's largely true. but i think we're going in the opposite direction now. twitter is going to be much less moderated, much less focused on transparency, and things like that. facebook as well, you know, they are part of these layoffs, they're not going to be able to keep up with this stuff. and unfortunately, even though it didn't feel like it, we are living in a golden age of taking down white nationalist terror threats on facebook and twitter and we are moving out of that and we will see what happens. >> meantime on twitter, since you brought tup, employees there have a couple of hours now to sign this new hard core work schedule or just say goodbye and get a couple of months, three months severance. when i read that letter, from elon musk now, this is a guy who tesla employees are not happy with because he is sleeping overnight at twitter

headquarters until he fixes it, what is going on? >> you tell me. we're all trying to figure out what is going on exactly. and i think the employees are, too. a lot of these people will take this buyout. it allows them to move on with their lives and not work under this intense scrutiny from elon musk and it gives them three months severance. look, i don't think there is a master plan here. i'm going to be real with you. i think a lot of people are trying to, you know, write one, but this guy doesn't really know what he's doing. >> if you had an idea, i don't know if you do, how many people walk away, will it be so many that it will really have a huge impact on twitter? the ability to just operate, day to day? >> yes, i talked to a lot of people who are, who when they didn't, when they didn't get their first layoff, they were upset. so probably a lot of people. >> okay. ben, ken, thank you guys, appreciate you both very much. the silent treatment, potential 2024 challengers, and leading republicans seem to be avoiding donald trump since his big announcement.

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potential presidential republicans not named trump. florida governor ron desantis and former vice president mike pence. neither of whom seem intimidated by trump's rollout or the prospect of running against him. >> we just finished this election, okay? people just need to chill out a little bit on some of this stuff. i mean seriously. >> the president's entitled to announce his intentions when jeff he desires but i honestly believe that we'll have better choices come 2024. you know, i don't think anybody -- >> better choices than donald trump? >> i do. >> let's talk about this with basil, back with democratic vat gist. i'm so interested in the way that they're handling this, you know. kind of a shrug from mike pence, and ron desantis won't even say trump's name. what do you see that's going on here? >> well, you know, if you just look at the fact that donald trump made his, i guess,

announcement the other day, the whole point of that is to make sure he will not be ignored, that, you know, that every time that he speaks, these other candidates, potential candidates are going to have to respond, in some way, shape, or form. and this sort of test will always be, where are you in relation to donald trump, if you're a republican presidential candidate. that's the position he wants to be in. it is going to be very difficult for anyone, whether it's mike pence or ron desantis, to change the conversation. but just to -- >> on the other hand, let me make this argument. let me make this argument. i'm stealing a little bit from the piece in new york magazine, but in terms of issues, they're not that different, right, from donald trump? >> that's right. >> which is how the new yorker magazine put it. in terms of the issues, both advance the gop's hard right agenda, without the baggage of a loser candidate facing several federal investigations. >> that's exactly right. i mean this is, that's what

youngkin did in virginia, that's what happened when he won, that's the ability, or the attempt to align yourself on the policies, and with the base, without actually giving a hug to the man. but that's going to be increasingly difficult to do because what trump does very well is rile up the base, so they're going to have to respond to that base in some way, shape, or form, and the question is, do they have the discipline to be able to walk that fine line for this extended period of time? it's not like they have to do it in a month or two months. they will have to do it over the course of probably a year or more, as they, if they decide to run, and for the period of time that they need to do that. so it's going to be very difficult to do. i'm not sure that they're going to be very successful, but they're going to have to find this balance. mike pence, you know, tried to do that distance in his town hall. he is not seeming to do it very well, it seemed incredibly

hypocritical in the attempt and i think that's the issue that voters will determine on the republican side, the authenticity of they're tempt to create that difference. >> thank you so much. and before we say bye, worth noting that family scrabble games are about to get a lot more interesting. the team behind the word game added 500 new words and variations to its official scrabble dictionary. so what are some of the new options you can use to step up your game? dox, stan, sitch, convo and the newest fauxhawk. good luck spelling that one correctly. make sure to join us every weekday at 1:00 eastern time for "chris jansing reports." i will be sticking around for "katy tur reports," that's next. ♪♪

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