♪ call one eight hundred, eight million ♪ we are following a big shift in party politics, as we come on the air, with democrats in the house getting ready for their first new leader in decades this. hour, what that new leadership could and will probably look like, with dozens of democrats already coalescing around hakeem

jeffries of new york. we'll tell you what he just as we're coming on the air in just a sec. also this hour new reporting on what republicans have planned when they take charge last year brought to you by the letter "i," with investigations set to come quick with the impeachment on the table. and the newest insider to talk with the january 6th committee today, nbc news confirming thement has spoke within the agent in charge of former president trump's protective detail, so what did he tell them? we'll ask one member of the committee who will be joining us just a minute, live this hour. i'm hallie jackson in washington. let's get to it. i have nbc news capitol hill correspondent ali vitali amend kristen walker and punch bowl co-founder and jake sherman. ali, let me start you with. we said at the top, the democrats seem to be coalescing around hakeem jeffries, he was in front of camera five minutes ago, and i want to play this, he is trying to make the day not about him but about to be soon to be former house speaker pelosi. take a listen.

>> it is speaker pelosi that we're -- we'll see what happens as we move forward. >> when do you plan to announce your intention? >> not at the moment. >> jake sherman, clearly walking from there to the camera and how do we expect the picture to come clear as it relates to who will be the leader, who will have control of the democratic conference in the house next year? >> yes, it's clear that hakeem jeffries is the likely next choice to be elevated to the top of the democratic caucus. but at the same time, you're right, he's book very, trying very hard to shall defertial to the former speaker because of the reference and respect in this caucus for her, having 20 years of leadership experience and serving in the house, for even longer than that. this is truly the mark of a sea

change, and it comes as democrats have expected frankly to be taken to the cleaners in the midterm elections and in fact, where they ended up with a much better position than they thought they otherwise would would be. many looking at the other side of the aisle and wondering how kevin mccarthy is going to handle his own version of the slim margins that he now has within his conference. but as we look ahead to the future of the democratic party here, it looks like the top three positions will be hakeem jeffries and katherine, and pete aguilar and the house minority leader steny hoyer speak can with us a few moments ago and how he sees the moment. >> really it is time for new leadership. i think we definitely have that happening, it is always good for our party to have new blood and new in vig ration and new ideas. >> >> but by contrast, hallie,

when reporters also asked limb how it feels not to be in leadership, hoyer also said not good. so we're watching the old guard of the party reckoning with this moment that came against the landscape of many within the party rank and file respecting the work of their leadership, but also saying that it's time for a new era to begin, and clearly, that's where retoday. >> jake, let me go to you. we saw you walking the halls behind ali, and fill in the rest of the blanks when it comes to the leadership ranks and what you're hearing in the new reporting you have over there at punchbowl. >> it is remarkable to me, how clean of a transition this has been, right? we see republicans really wrestling over kevin mccarthy, and him not being able to, or potentially not being able to get the 218 votes he needs to be speaker. basically what democrats orchestrated is a three for three swap. they got rid of nancy pelosi, steny hoyer and jim clyburn and

they're elevated katherine clark, hakeem jeffries and pete aguilar, that is very interesting and stunning in a point because we've seen so much turmoil over the last 10 years when it comes to republican leadership. and it is important to keep in mind here, this is a very difficult moment for at least steny hower who did say, he did not feel good about this transition and clearly, would have liked to stay, and remember, steny hoyer beat nancy pelosi's chance. and he wanted to be a leader and he has been in leadership since 1989. there were people in congress who weren't even born when steny hoyer got into house democratic leadership. so it just a sea change for democrats. >> i'll let you grab a sip of water. kristen, let me turn to you, we know speaker pelosi and the president have been not just

allies, but friends, for a very long time. can you talk a little bit about the role, if any, that the white house had in, you know, talking with the speaker, before she made this decision, how they'll be involved, they will evolve in this transition year? >> we know that speaker pelosi did reach out to president biden before she made this announcement. they had a phone call, he congratulated her, on her history-making career, on her leadership. i anticipate he will let house democrats take the lead in terms of their leadership. let me read you a little built about the statement that the president did put out about the house speaker. he said, quote, because of nancy pelosi, the lives of millions and millions of americans are better, even in districts represented by republicans who voted against her bills and too often vilify her. that's nancy, always working for the dignity of all of the people. it's notable, hallie, because you heard jake talk about the 1980s. that is when president biden, house speaker nancy pelosi,

first met. first developed a relationship. they had been working together all of that time, from the time that they were young members of congress, to now, when they're in leadership positions, and they worked together, to get obama care passed and under president biden of course, they passed a number of key pieces of legislation including most recently the inflation reduction act and the speaker referenced the benchmarks that she sees as real achievements and i think this is a notable moment, a new moment for this president as he prepares to work with the republican led house and the new leadership on capitol hill and again bracing for oversight investigations and potential gridlock, and now new democratic leaders, hallie. >> i'm curious, jake, nancy pelosi will still remain a member of congress. she will be, i don't want to say just a member, because there is only 435 of them in the united states house of representatives but a leadership role, and how much of a force do you expect her to be next term when it comes to some of the behind the scenes negotiating et cetera that we know happened. >> i don't think much.

i think nancy pelosi will have to let this new leadership team take hold. it is not good to have the former high school quarterback calling the shots so to speak. when he comes back for thanksgiving. or she, in this case, comes back for thanksgiving. i have to imagine pelosi is going to immerse herself, i mean it has been so long, since she has been on committees, but she, and she's rooted in the intelligence committee and the appropriations committee, two very key committees on capitol hill. i mean hallie, i have my own doubts, to be honest with you, about how long she'll stay a member of congress. i think -- >> what does that mean? >> i would be very, i just find it very you know likely that she will stay the whole two-year term, and we have seen this in the past, denny hastert after he relinquished the speaker's gavel that he did not stay full time, i find it hard to believe, and we'll have to see and you have to imagine, a city like san francisco has only had one representative since 1987, there are going to be a lot of people

who want to have that job, come nancy pelosi's retirement, but she is going to have, and i expect from the people i talked to and her operation, she is going to let hakeem jeffries be the leader. i think he might call on her for advice, just like they might do with steny hoyer, remember, this is going to be the most tight and intense governing climate in a long time. it mirrors what democrats had this congress if they get to 222 but republicans are much more ul over the chase, they will need hakeem jeffries. one more point, there is no relationship between jeffries and kevin mccarthy and we will be calling it closely. >> and kevin mccarthy in a meeting and not able to be on the house floor when nancy pelosi gave her speech. you heard jake describe it. a tight and intense governing environment. let's talk more about what that environment will look like with republicans now projected officially to be flipping the house. what are they going to do with

their majority? if you believe their promises over the last few years, and the comments over the last few days, it is going to be focused on investigations. maybe with select committees. perhaps even impeachment. republicans on the house oversight committee today say they're going to make good on those promises starting with an investigation of president biden and his son hunter's alleged business malpractice. >> this is an investigation of joe biden, the president of the united states, and why he lied to the american people about his knowledge and participation in his family's international business schemes. i realize that congressional oversight doesn't have a lot of credibility in washington. i blame adam schiff for that. we're going to change that. we're not going to talk about anything unless we have evidence. >> of course, the president has said that he believes in his son hunter biden and he believes he will be cleared of any wrongdoing. we will bring in capitol hill correspondent ryan nobles. it is interesting there in that

you heard those members sort of saying, we're going to be real serious here, but also get into a partisan dig against democrats here, and it is also not just hunter biden. it seems to me from the conversations i've had connected to the hill, that perhaps a bigger concern might not be the investigations with the president's son but covid and afghanistan and any one of the number of issues that has been potentially going to be putting the white house on defense. >> just look at the reality here in congress, hallie. you've got republicans with a very thin majority in the house. democrats with a thin majority in the senate and democrat a democrat in the white house and that spells gridlock in any way, shape or form. the real function of a congress with gridlock is oversight. and any republican we talked to that is now heading into the majority in the house of representatives has said over and over again that they felt oversight was lacking, with the democratic led house and a democratic president, and they believe it is their job to fill that void. let's run down the list of things they could potentially investigate. we already talked about hunter biden. obviously they laid down the gauntlet there this morning.

they could also look into the origins of covid-19. that is something that they feel has not been given enough attention by the biden administration. they're going to talk about the politicization, if they see it, of the justice department. they want to look into china, china's business dealings and how that is connected to government officials here in washington. they are also very concerned about the withdrawal from afghanistan. and they have even talked about the impeachment of biden officials, top on that list alejandro mayorkas the department of homeland security secretary. this is where they find themselves right now, hallie, and they few it as not only, you know, part of their official responsibilities, as members of congress, but they also find it politically expedient. this is what the republicans base is asking for, it is what a lot of them ran on, and that's why you are likely going to see this be a major focus of the republican majority when they take office here on january 3rd. >> ryan nobles, live for us there on the hill. i know you will be covering every twist and turn. thank you. coming up, new information just in to our newsroom. actually just during that

conversation, about specifically where exactly brittney griner is right now, we'll tell you what we're just hearing from her people and what we've heard from the state department, too. that's coming up. plus, we're already learning more about 2024 with some new nbc news reporting on the battle over which state is going to go first in the democratic primary. but first, right as we were coming on the air, we found out the january 6th committee has interviewed former president trump's lead secret service agent. what did they find out? we'll ask the committee member jamie raskin in just 60 seconds. see you in a minute. see you in . (vo) verizon small business days are back. and there's never been a better time to switch! get our best offers of the year on business internet. help your business stay ahead with the reliable connection your business deserves. book your appointment today. and switch to the network america relies on. verizon.

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telling nbc news today that russia has not updated the u.s. on her location in nearly two weeks. white house correspondent monica alba is joining us now. talk to us more about what we're learning. i'm seeing statement from her team saying she is trying to stay strong through all of it. >> exactly, her legal team and of course her agent. and it is important here, there have been a lot of questions about brittney griner's condition and how she has been doing, now that she has been moved of course after being sentenced to nine months, nine years, excuse me and what we're learning from the team, considering is this is challenging she is doing as well as can be expected and staying strong as she quote adapts to a new environment. her legal team is also saying they will not be commenting further. there is not much more they are able to add to this. but we do know from her agent that they can confirm this is where she has been moved to. a penal colony. and despite the fact she is

alone and now nearing nine months in detention, separated from loved ones, she is trying to stay strong and they don't want to share any further details, at some continued negotiations we understand behind the scenes, this is something that president biden has committed to. we know the national security adviser jake sullivan who has been in touch with brittney griner's family throughout this process, as well as paul whelan, two americans they believe have been wrong fly detained in russia. they continue to work the cases and a lot of questions now that the midterm elections have ended and new channels opened up with russia and president putin, about the possibility of bringing those two americans home and the white house continues to say, they can't reveal too much about the nature of these discussions, but they are still calling of course for the release of both of them. but brittney griner, we know, we had seen her in court, at her appeal a couple of weeks ago, but given the fact that she has moved to this far more remote

penal colony, a lot of questions about how she was going to be doing, her condition, and now we know again, confirmed that she is there, something that the state department has said we have been aware of reports of her location, and we're in frequent contact with the legal team, but beyond that, they don't want to get into too many more more details as they continue across the biden administration efforts to see if they could bring her home. >> monica alba, thank you for the new reporting with the spotlight of course, still on griner's detention and paul whelan and what the administration is doing to bring them home. thank you. the new details in the january 6th investigation with nbc news confirming with multiple sorszs, three sources, the committee members and staff have talked with bobby engel as of today. . the former secret service detail of president trump. i want to bring in somebody who knows the committee well, jamie raskin, joining us now. congressman raskin thank you very much for being back on the show. >> you bet.

>> let me start with mr. engel. can you tell us anything new that you may have learned from his testimony, specifically, i know the committee had been very interested in what they could share about former president trump's mood, his anger, on the day of the 6th when he was not allowed to travel to the capitol. >> well, i can't answer to specific details about this testimony, but i will tell you that from everything we've learned, we know that the former president was incensed and enraged when he was not taken to the capitol, he was adamant that he would be able to join the mob, and approach and enter the capitol with them. so that seems like that was very much on his mind during the course of the day. of course, it's remarkable to any reasonable observer in the united states of america around the world, that a president would be egging on an armed and

evidently dangerous mob, in order to attack the capitol of his own country. but that's precisely what happened. so you know, we will have some more to say about this before it is all over. >> congressman raskin, let me ask you this, did mr. engel say anything ha would contradict the conclusion that you have just laid out that former president trump was desperate in fact to get to the capitol on the day of the insurrection? >> again, everything that we've heard tells me that the former president was incensed, he was enraged and there was conflict about whether or not he would go to the capitol, and he was adamant that he be able to do that. i imagine that he thought that he would enter like mussolini being carried on the shoulders of his supporters and enter the capitol and at that point if they could either get mike pence to do his will, or substitute someone else, then he would have

been made president either directly in the joint session, by somebody calling it that way, or through a so-called contingent election in the house of representatives under the 12th amendment, where the house would have been voting not op on the basis of one member vote but one state, one vote and they thought that would be a perfect way to seize the presidency because the gop was in control of 27 state delegations and the democrats have 22, and one pennsylvania was split down the middle. so they had a couple of different scenarios about how it would ensue. but donald trump really went to bed the night before on the evening of january 5th believing that he would be staying in office for another four years, and he believed that through the day, and even after the whole plot was foiled through the heroic intervention of our officers, and the determination of congress to go back into session and count the real electors. even after that, they were still looking for a way to seize the

presidency against the constitutional order. >> you said a couple of things there. you talked about how we will know more, meaning we the public, right, not you the committee at some point, we will now know there will be an officially be an expiration date on your committee's work. will you expect to have a final report out? and will you potentially have another hearing to present those findings to the public before the end of the year? >> it is not coming before thanksgiving but it is coming before new years eve. so somewhere in there, the report will come out. and you know, we continue to do interviews all the time. so we're still collecting information. and we want to nail down the facts. it has been our commitment from the very beginning to just tell the american people the truth, to counter all of the disinformation and conspiracy theory, and propaganda that has been put out there. >> you will not be interviewing apparently former vice president mike pence who is this week out

on his book tor and says the committee has no right to his testimony about the capitol attack and described the work that you and your colleagues are doing as partisan. how do you respond to that? >> well the chair and the vice chair have issued a statement that i agree with there, it is disappointing that the former vice president in his, you know, current political ambitions and potential bid for president thinks that he needs to attack our committee. ourment is a bipartisan committee, the overwhelming number people we've spoken to have been on the republican side of the aisle, or the pro-insurrectionist side of the oil, so if it is a partisan project, it is a republican project. but the truth is that it is not a partisan project. we're just interested in getting at the truth. and you know, mike pence had one very splendid day, january 6th

where he conducted himself honorably and maintained his oath of office, and at other points in the trump presidency, and i thought he was acting with invert brat sycophant to president trump and now seems to cater to the pro-trump movement. i don't know if that works as matter of accomplishings but as a platter of constitutional commitment, it doesn't work very well and it would be much better if he accepted this process for what it is. we're trying to get to the truth and tell the american people the truth. >> to you hold out any hope for mr. pence's cooperation at this point, congressman? do you believe the door is shut? or might the committee pursue other ways to try to get him to speak? or is that on the table? >> we're running out of time. he has spoken about the important stuff. we know that he had to flee the building with his entourage, we know that he refused to get into the secret service car, because he didn't know who was going to

be controlling his movements and his where-abouts and those things are a matter of record now. and you know, we've had more than a thousand people come to testify to us, including lots of people from the trump white house, the trump cabinet, the trump family, indeed, and it's a handful of people who don't want to come forward and testify. one of them is obviously donald trump who is now violating the congressional subpoena and he's acting in defiance of the rule of law which is no surprise to anyone. but he is acting in the same way steve bannon did and steve bannon was convicted of contempt of congress because he thinks he is simply above the law and it seems to be a contagious condition for people who hang around with donald trump. they think they can just snub the rule of law and give the finger to the congress of the united states. >> very quick question for you. you described yourself as running out of time on this committee. are you confident that in the next six weeks you'll be able to

wrap up the work you need to do? >> one always wishes for more time when completing an investigation. but i will tell you that all of the major elements of this hit on american democracy have been exposed. and we know about the effort to get the legislature to override the people, to get the election officials to change the results, and then the effort to get vice president pence to step outside his constitutional role, and just anoint donald trump the president. so the public understands all of those things. there are many more details to come. and history will unfold some of them for us. i would be remiss if i didn't ask, house speaker nancy pelosi will no longer be speaker and can you get behind hakeem jeffreys. >> he has done an outstanding job as caucus chair and paid his

dues and a great communicator to express the views of party well and we believe that the party must be an instrument of the mon good and the well-being of the people, and nancy pelosi embodied that, and i think hakeem jeffries will articulate that same mission and he is a great organizer. >> congressman jamie raskin, thank you for being in with us, even in the loud and echo-y rotunda. appreciate you joining us this afternoon. >> my pleasure. the former trump organization cfo back on the stand today. we're watching the senate by the way with the chamber set to move forward on key marriage equality protections, and with republicans set to control the house, what else are democrats rushing to get done? i'll talk about that with senator patty murray coming up. p at adp, we understand business today looks nothing like it did yesterday. while it's more unpredictable, its possibilities are endless. from paying your people from anywhere

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so as we speak, the former cfo of the trump organization is in manhattan testifying in court, in what our producer is telling us, it has been pretty powerful remarks so far. we're talking about allen weisselberg, the key witness in that criminal tax fraud trial against the trump org. he was apparently close to tears at the end of cross-examination at some point today. he is taking the stand now twice this week, this is the second time. weisselberg was describing referring off the book perks, paramounts, private school tuition for his grand kids, luxury cars for his wife, and he

stopped the legal practices once mr. trump took office. tom winter is covering this for us in new york city. what was it that had allen weisselberg so evidently emotional here. >> the key point and the reason he is the key witness, hallie, is the fact that the things that he has done and he pleaded guilty to, what he has said as far as his conduct is not new at all. you and i have talked on numerous occasions about list guilty plea and the things that he says that he did, which is essentially not paying taxes on all sorts of benefits that were given to him by the trump corporation. it was under that cross-examination that you pointed out where the courtroom got very silent, and he was asked, you know, did you do this freely, did you let down the trump organization essentially, did you let down the family, and that's when he said that he did, and he admitted that he did this out of greed. so like i said, there's not a lot new that we're learning here about his conduct, but a key

thing he said when he was being questioned by the district attorney this morning, the district attorney's office, i should say, is this idea that he did this in partnership with jeff mcconnie, the trump organization controller, as well as the trump organization and trump corporation this idea of effectively getting all of these benefits without having to pay taxes on them. and not illegal, the former president and his company, paid for his grandkids school, not illegal that he received a company car but the fact that he didn't pay taxes on. >> it in the cross-examination this afternoon, the trump defense attorney who is representing this, and questioning him for the trump organization, went at him and effectively saying, look, wasn't this entire case all about your personal taxes? and didn't you scheme with anybody in the trump family? did you work with them for these benefits? and in fact, he said no. weisselberg said i didn't do that. that this was all about his personal taxes.

and that's the reason why his testimony is so important. because the district attorney's office has painted it, that he was working with the trump organization as its cfo, to give the trump organization a benefit by them not having to pay additional payroll tax and medicaid tax, on the other side of things, trump's attorney saying look, this is all about you and an effort to line your own pockets. and so it is up to a jury, to see where this goes, but obviously a key moment in this trial, and an emotional testimony for the still current cfo, still on the trump organization payroll. >> tom winter outside court for us there in manhattan. tom, thank you. taking you back now to the building just behind me here, we're not too far from it, the capitol of course, a busy and historic day on the hill with the senate set to take the next step for the respect for marriage act and we think later today, later tonight before senators pack up fof the thanksgiving recess. a procedural vote would provide

federal protections for same-sex and interracial marriages and still tbd it will happen and hinges on when senators can gather for a vote. and chuck schumer saying on the floor in the last hour those details are still being worked out. watch. >> we're working on an agreement on the marriage equality bill. and i hope that we can have a vote on the motion to proceed shortly. if we do not reach agreement, the vote is going to occur at 10:00 p.m. this evening. >> let's bring in now senator patty murray, the assistant democratic leader from washington state. senator, thank you for being back on the show. good afternoon. >> good afternoon to you. let's start there, majority leader schumer said it is not a question of if but when the final vote will happen, suggesting maybe super late tonight. do you have any hot scoops on the time line here? what do you think? >> i don't know, but his message directly was to senators who want to leave, you can do it at 10:00 tonight or you can do it now. so come to the floor. >> as we talk about senator schumer, he of course is

nominating you for senate president pro tem, you will make history as the first woman to hold that position, you're also leaving your current job as an assistant democratic leader. you can reflect for us for a moment on what it means for to you step into this role, of course, in the presidential line of succession, and any thoughts who would replace you on the leadership side? >> it is really an honor for me to be in this position come january. to really both have the opportunity to work as president protem but also to show women of this country that if you work hard, that you can really achieve a place where you can make a real difference. nancy pelosi certainly has done that. and i'm honored to fill this position, to be able to do that as well for women. and to send a direct message to the country, women's rights are going to be protected under our watch. >> that's something that you have been, i know, vocal about, do you have any thoughts on who you would like to see take over your leadership role? >> i have not been in that discussion, senator schumer is talking to a number of senators and i'm sure he'll outline a

path forward fairly soon. >> i reference because you referenced nancy pelosi and i think everybody was glued to the television today to know what her future plans will be and he will no longer run for leadership and steny hoyer will step down from his leadership post and overall do you think democrats do better with a new generation of leadership? >> both, you need both, you need people who have been through some battles and have seen how to get through them, in a good way, and you also need the new energy that really is in democratic politics across the country. i had the opportunity to campaign with many new energetic leaders. i'm excited about what they will bring us and what i see across the board is democrats who are working to make sure our families have what they need today. whether it's child care, whether it's access to higher education, whether it is lowering cost of prescription drugs, and above and be all, make sure we fight

for our democracy, and fight for women's reproductive rights. >> let me ask you about working next term, in a divided congress. as nbc news has now joined other news organization and the official projection that republicans will have power in the house and house republicans will likely use funding bills to empt tract consensuals on border money and defunding the irs, and 87,000 new employees and you will likely be the senate appropriations claire. do you think there is room to negotiate with republicans on some of the conservative asks or do you think this is the time for democrats to draw a hard line here? >> i think it is important that we stand up and fight for the priorities of this country and make sure we have those investments, and we don't use threats of a government shutdown to get priorities, that are not priorities to the american people. i've seen this far too often. it never works out for republicans when they try to demand that we repeal aca, or some other thing like women's reproductive health, or they'll shut down the government. it never works out for them.

i would advise them to work with us. we always can negotiate numbers within the appropriations bills. and some of our priorities. but do not use government funding as a place where you threaten everybody's way of life across this country. it won't work out for you. >> senator patty murray, thank you very much for being on the show. i know it has been a big and important week for you personally and professionally as well. appreciate it. >> thank you. it is only a day, not even, since we found out who is going to be controlling congress, but the georgia senate runoff. we know that is just getting started. we will take you live to the campaign trail with some new developments you will want to hear about coming up next. l wan hear about cinomg up next. (vo) verizon small business days are back. and there's never been a better time to switch! get our best offers of the year on business internet.

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so listen, gang, 2022, the midterms, they're pretty much over. let's get into 2024. i know that's what you're eager to do. dying to talk about the presidential election. the competition is heating up, not officially with candidates yet for democrats but with states trying to become the early dem states, michigan, nevada, minnesota. i want to bring in alex with what his sources are saying. the dnc is meeting next month with the schedule. you're having states looking to get more attention in the national attention to get candidates to come to them sooner. >> the dnc is meeting here in d.c. december 1st through 3rd to discuss who's the four early states. but what my sources have been saying for a while now is iowa looks like it's on the chopping block. they messed up the 2020 caucus, a very white state, republican

state now, they want to add more diversity to the calendar. so the dnc has been looking at this for months. they had dozens of states apply to join. they wanted to wait until after the midterms to see how things shook out. now michigan is making a push to join. and nevada, currently number three is trying to jump to the number one spot ahead of new hampshire. >> explain why it matters to have a more diverse state. these are the states that set the tone for the race. >> this is where the candidates spend a lot of time, the voters have outsized importance. every vote matters. and iowa and new hampshire have had enormous pull over the process. they've chosen or narrowed down who our presidents are going to be for years. they're overwhelmingly white states democrats added nevada and south carolina to add

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