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announcement that he is a candidate for president in the next election, and the sitting president stated intention to be a candidate as well, i have concluded that it is in the public interest to appoint a special counsel. >> attorney general merrick garland appoints a special counsel to lead the trump investigations. does this move us closer to an indictment or is it just window dressing for when they let him off the hook? >> plus, elon musk crashes twitter like a driverless tesla with a broken a.i. brain. the site has been trash at times but i'll tell you why it deserved a better fate than this. >> can a tale of two caucuses. house democrats seamlessly transition into a bright new future while kevin is held hostage by the screaming zombies. >> we begin tonight with this moment in history. >> good evening.

a former federal judge today was named independent counsel, the special prosecutor in the iran case. he is 74-year-old lawrence walsh, a former president of the american bar association, and as nbc's law correspondent reports tonight, his investigation is expected to range over a wide area. >> lawrence walsh spent six years investigating the iran contra scandal, and president ronald reagan's involvement in the scheme to sell arms to iran to raise money for an illegal guerilla war in nicaragua. ultimately, six people were indicted or convicted including reagan's defense secretary, the assistant secretary of state, the national security adviser and three cia officials. reagan was forced to give a national address on august 12th, 1987. and take responsibility for this embarrassing period in his presidency. but in the end, all six of the indicted men were pardoned by reagan's successor, george h.w. bush. at the recommendation of bush's attorney general, william barr.

yeah, that william barr. that was the next independent counsel investigation following the one more than a decade earlier, the watergate investigation of richard nixon. which also resulted in indictments and convictions. and for which nixon ultimately resigned. both of those investigations, watergate and iran contra, were denounced at the time by republicans as partisan witch hunts. in the case of watergate by none other than gerald ford who succeeded nixon and ultimately pardoned him. fast forward to the 1990s and america experienced the appointment of an independent counsel to investigate bill clinton in white water which morphed into an investigation of clinton's sex wife, an investigation with all the earmarks of an actual partisan witch hunt. it was so obviously political, the independent counsel statute was changed giving us the statute we have today.

most recently used in the appointment of robert mueller to investigate possible russia collusion by the trump campaign in the 2016 election. mueller's probe resulted in 34 indictments and preceded trump's first of two impeachments. far from slowing him down, the lack of accountability for trump himself appeared to only embolden him. he simply screamed, partisan witch hunt and about a third of the country bought it. another third was disappointed in mueller. and another third just didn't know what to think. well, now, attorney general merrick garland has decided the mueller process is the way to go in the multiple cases involving donald trump. cases that his own justice department has been pursuing for a long, long time. now, i should note that whatever special counsel recommends, it will still be up to the attorney general to make the final decision. so it will still be for merrick garland to decide whether to bring any potential charges against trump for his assorted

crimes. but with garland indicating that this decision was made as a result of trump's announced candidacy this week, two years before the presidential election, it turns out that trump's little stunt worked. as a political investigations reporter at daily beast explains. >> there is no way to look at this announcement, if you can even call it an announcement, as anything other than an attempt to mar any prosecution as a political persecution. trump announcing he's going to run could absolutely be him trying to seek further cover so that if he does get indicted for one of the many things he's being investigated for now, he can just say, oh, look at this. they just indicted me because i announced. they're trying to stop me from winning for you in 2024. >> joining me now is neal katyal, now a law professor at georgetown university and msnbc legal analyst, and jill wine banks, former watergate special

prosecutor and msnbc legal analyst. jill, i'm going to start with you. it is hard to describe how apoplectic so many people are over this decision because it's essentially saying that if you run for president, you can essentially escape direct prosecution and fall into this process that at least other than nixon resigning, i mean, resigned, it has not resulted in direct legal consequences for any of the two presidents for which it seemed warranted and in the case of bill clinton, that was a political prosecution, but the special -- the statute doesn't seem to result in accountability for the president. what do you make of the decision to do it this way? >> well, first of all, i think uropening said everything that needs to be said. my first response was a tweet that started, expletives deleted

because that's how i was feeling. but i have come down a little bit. i no longer think that it will be a waste of time in the sense of delaying things because then i realized when archie cox got fired and a new special prosecutor was brought in, we, the people who actually knew the facts, were kept on. if the new special counsel keeps the current staff and they seem ready for trial, they have brought in really experienced trial lawyers, it won't delay a possible indictment. so that made me feel a little better. that does not mean i think it's a good idea. i don't think it's a good idea. i don't think it was necessary. i understand the argument about special circumstances and the appearance of a conflict. there is no conflict right now. that's first of all. and i think it demeans the department of justice that i love and adore and really was proud to be part of. people at the department of justice operate on law and facts, not politics.

and they could do this job. there does not seem to be a real need for a special counsel. that said, jack smith seems to have the right skill set. he's been involved in prosecuting a former president who happened to be of kosovo, but still a former president, and i think he has really good skills. >> neil, let me bring you in. you actually rewrote the law, the special counsel law that used to prevail before the clinton debacle. so i am very curious to find out if you believe that this special counsel statute as it exists now is the right vehicle to use to deal with all of these potential crimes. >> so, joy, i actually drafted the special counsel regulations that are being used now, not the pre-clinton ones. so i'm a fan of them in general, but i'm not a fan of them here. so i think jack smith seems like a great person. he's got a public integrity background. he's the kind of prosecutor you

want. i have no doubt that donald trump is going to start calling jack smith things like jack the hack and silly things like that. but this is a man who has investigated war criminals. i don't think he's afraid of being called a few names by donald trump, but the decision to use the special counsel here to me the regulations don't make sense. i think it's inappropriate and i think it risks delaying the investigation because the regulations as we drafted them were really about the fear of a cover-up, that an attorney general couldn't investigate a president for wrongdoing who had nominated him. that was like in that case, it was not something like this in which we already had the investigation, particularly into mar-a-lago, the facts are out there. we all know that given those facts, if it were you, joy, or jill, or me, doing any of those things and stealing all those documents, we would be in jail. we wouldn't have a special master. we certainly wouldn't have a special counsel. we would be in jail now. but donald trump gets something

different. why? because merrick garland says, well, he's announced he's running for office, and biden has announced an intent to run as well. that, to me, is tantamount to awarding donald trump for his maneuvers to try to avoid accountability. i think that jack smith is up to it, and i'm sure that he's going to indict because the evidence on mar-a-lago is so strong, it's an open and shut case. but precisely because it's an open and shut case, i don't think a special counsel was needed, and merrick garland said, well, there's a conflict of interest because of biden running in 2024. if that's true, that means there's a special counsel needed for all kinds of stuff including the hunter biden investigation. that just to me doesn't make sense. and it doesn't remove the criticism of garland, which is that he's acting politically, because under the regulations at the end of the day, if jack smith says i want to indict donald trump, who's got to sign off on it? a guy named merrick garland.

he's going to get all the same accusations because we know trump and his base will always attack anyone who goes against donald trump's wishes. it doesn't matter if it's merrick garland. it doesn't matter if it's jack smith. it doesn't matter if it's trump's own vice president, as we sadly learned two years ago. >> you know, and exactly. very well said. i know you have to go. i really appreciate you making some time to make those very, very important points. thank you very much, sir. really appreciate you. come back any time. and jill, i'm going to go to you on the point neil just made. merrick garland makes this decision, sort of trying to make it sound apolitical. number one, there is an investigation of hunter biden that's floating around there. doesn't that mean that any investigation that involves anyone named biden also needs to go to special counsel, number one? and number two, this is how republicans are reacting. ted cruz tweeting, joe biden is completely weaponizing the department of justice to attack his political opponents.

and then you have marjorie greene, impeach merrick garland, which she's been saying before this and she's still saying it. he got nothing. and now republicans are trying to drum beat some sort of criminal charges against a biden. doesn't all of it have to stop? >> it does. but i think to follow on your point, in the same way that mueller was never accepted as independent, neither will jack smith. and so you really gain nothing by this appointment. you hurt the department of justice going forward. you open the door to anybody who is in politics, matt gaetz announces i'm running for president. okay, can't investigate him. it will have to go to the state of florida. we already saw what happened in florida. so it's a bad thing. you do not accomplish anything. even as qualified as jack smith

seems to be, i can guarantee as you said that he is going to be attacked as a partisan hack. he will be called, you know, leading an investigation of 12 angry democrats or however many people he has on his staff. it doesn't accomplish anything. and it does set a bad precedent for going forward. and yes, it would mean theoretically that every political investigation, anything that involves a politician or a politician's relative requires a special counsel. and then what's the point of the department of justice, which really does pursue things, you know, in a way that is based on law and fact and not on partisan considerations. so i think it was a bad idea. >> jim jordan, this is what he said about what they're going to do. he said, you know, let me just -- do we have time. here's jim jordan yesterday about what they plan to do in the house. >> maybe it would be nice if the

fbi, the justice department just stayed out of it and let we the people decide who should represent us, who should lead us. that's supposed to be how america works. this is the focus on the judiciary committee, the political nature at the justice department and the linkage now to what was happening with the hunter biden story. again, just 15 days before we have a presidential election. >> and so this makes the point. all that's going to happen, to your point, is this gives them an excuse to haul this guy, jack smith, in front of that man's committee, jim jordan, whose job is to scream at people in his committee, and turn this whole thing into a circus. they're already promising it to do it, jill. >> a lot of things that are really terrible. they're going to have benghazi style hearings that will lead to nothing because there is nothing there. there's no proper predication for these investigations. there is proper predication for the search warrant at mar-a-lago and for the further grand jury

investigation and for what i would say based on public evidence is an indictment. i think indictment is absolutely, if we're going to have a rule of law, there must be an indictment, unless there is some hidden exculpatory evidence that we don't know about. and i cannot believe there is because if there was, i guarantee you that it would have been told to us by either donald trump or one of his lawyers. so there is none. i would be willing to put money on that. >> listen, i think a lot of people would. jill wine banks with the fabulous scales of justice pin. not feeling like scales of justice were advanced today, but love the pin. and we love you, jill wine banks, thank you very much. >> up next on "the reidout," elon musk thought it was hilarious when he carried a sink into twitter on the first day, but just three weeks later, his $44 billion investment is swirling down a different bathroom fixture. we'll talk about why twitter matters and how musk screwed it up. "the reidout" continues after

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and i don't know what the heck you're talking about. chaos and confusion are trending at twitter, as the company is on the brink of collapse. thanks to the fragile ego of billionaire ceo elon musk. it's reportedly teetering with offices closed amid a mass resignation on thursday after musk gave an ultimatum making staff commit to an extremely

hard core staff or leave. it newly resigned will join at least 3,000 other former employees going into the holidays jobless. after layoffs. meanwhile, musk, well, he posted a funeral meme, reveling in twitter's demise. it's a death that's far more tragic than just a website. it's not just a business story but also a societal one. twitter hasn't always been perfect, far from it, but it has changed the world as an integral space for public discourse. history professor thomas zimmer pointed out, twitter has enabled people with absolutely no traditional access to pouser to speak to powerful elites directly, criticize them in the public square, how valuable this has been is evidenced by the fact many of those elites are so consistently bemoaning persecution. that so-called persecution is right-wing trolls complaining that old twitter leadership fixed problems moderating hate speech and misinformation while trying to make twitter more equitable and safe and that's a bad thing.

so naturally, musk fired the people in charge of that because he lives in a right-wing bubble, one where grievances of the anti-wokism and maga warriors are real, and opening the floodgates for the run of fascist trolls will fix twitter in the name of free speech, and in reality, he's just burning the house down while fiddling like nero. today, he said there's no decision yet on reinstating donald trump, who as we know, was permanently banned for exploiting the site to foment an insurrection. joining me now is marc lamont hill, media studies professor at temple university and host of the grillo with marc lamont hill, and roger mcnamee, former adviser to mark zuckerberg. welcome both to the show. mark, i want to start with you. in some ways, i have a love hate thing with twitter. twitter is really useful. there are a lot of journalists, black twitter is on it, which is amazing. i found out michael brown was

killed because of twitter. you find out good info. we're going to put up a couple important movements. black lives matter, the arab spring, the mahsa amini movement. twitter gave us that, but it also gives us fake accounts, disinformation, and hate crimes. what do you make of twitter's value and what do you make of its potential loss? >> i think twitter is an amazing site of possibility. i always say twitter, it takes people or the value in twitter is it takes people who are far away and brings them closer together. that's an amazing thing. it allows you to connect with new worlds. it makes the world smaller for you. you can access more things, whether it's me too or aybar spring. we have the opportunity to understand lots of stuff in a different way. the problem is it also takes people who should be really far apart and brings them together. you're now arguing with some guy in his mom's basement about some social policy issue or you're being trolled by some maga warrior in the middle of the country who you otherwise

wouldn't have to know. so those types of tensions are there because of it. i think when it was a public sphere, though, you had a way of saying look, it is what you it is. you get what you get. now that it's been privatized and monetized by elon musk, it's getting more of a cesspool. >> that's why i no longer call it the public square, because it used to be the public square. now that it's just one guy and the saudis who own it, roger, i want to get you in on this. it can be really dangerous. you had in the january 6th committee hearings people testify to the fact that when donald trump tweeted, you know, it's going to be wild, come january 6th, he turned a lot of people who didn't know the significance of january 6th on to it, drew that crowd to washington, and then when he attacked mike pence again using twitter, you know, there was testimony that that caused an immediate explosion that could have gotten mike pence killed. so twitter is dangerous when unregulated. what do you make of the fact that elon musk's fix was to just make it unregulated again?

>> joy, the fundamental problem here is that we want to think of twitter or facebook or instagram as a public square. but in fact these are private corporations and always have been. twitter in the old days, when it was good, the management team i think had a genuine desire to public service, and even then, they had massive failures and a lot of people got hurt. musk has a very different thing. he's suffering from the dunning krueger effect, which is a psychology thing that basically happens when somebody who knows nothing about a topic overestimates their ability to deal with that topic. and so musk goes in there. he thinks this is a machine and that people don't matter, and he can fire all the people and still make money from the machine. it does not work that way. this is a very fragile thing. a lot of harm is going to be done. i don't think twitter blows up in one sudden cloud of smoke. but i do think what's going on here is incredibly dangerous and as musk gets more desperate, i think he will raise national

security issues, what happens to the data, who is actually running the ship? and all of those things are one big stew, and i'm really, really, really worried about it. i think our government needs to inject itself immediately into the situation. >> marc, eli lilly situation is a perfect example of it, right? he decides to do this, we're going to sell you a blue check, so people start changing up their names. somebody inpersonates eli lilly, says insulin is free. it dropped eli lilly's stock price. it caused massive challenges, economic challenges that could have really exacerbated economic problems. now this is a site that cannot attract advertisers. it's a chaos environment that just as a business story is a failure. >> absolutely. it's actually quite stunning. it's remarkable that someone who could amass such enormous personal wealth could be this bad at this. you would think if he just put a

blindfold on and picked things randomly to do, he could have a better outcome or set of outcomes than we have seen in the last few weeks. the blue chip thing was so foreseeably terrible an idea, and everybody said it, but this is someone who has no idea what they're doing, but they're committed to doing it their way. the problem is there's real stakes attached. i don't care if a mulsh national trillion or billion dollar corporation loses money. but when you start talking about national security, when you talk about the wellbeing of everyday people, when you talk about the ability to advance our conversation and the cause of justice, now we have something to lose. >> a lot of people are going to be unemployed because of this. roger, you once advised mark zuckerberg isn't part of the problem the elevation of these tech bros as some sort of geniuses, as if they are on this sort of higher level that they should almost be worships when they're actually just regular flawed people that are stupid about things and stupid about -- smart about some things. elon musk didn't invent the

electric car, he bought tesla. that doesn't make him a genius. >> joy, that is exactly correct. in this country, we defer to wealth as though anyone who becomes wealthy somehow has brilliance across every topic. and that just isn't so. and if you allow those people to be in charge of critical services, like facebook, like twitter, like fox news, you can have really bad outcomes. and our government, i think, needs to start recognizing that the public interest is in having a set of rules that protects citizens from harm, because let's face it, twitter today is unsafe. cryptocurrencies are unsafe. self-driving cars are unsafe. in fact, most tech products today are unsafe because nobody is watching. we defer to rich people. and let them do what they want. your last segment about donald trump, same exact issue. you know, there are no consequences for bad behavior. that has to change. >> yeah, absolutely.

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right now, in the u.s. house of representatives you have a toll of two very different caucuses. the democrats who are very much in array as congressman hakeem jeffries, katherine clark, and pete aguilar appear poised to be elected to the top leadership positions in the caucus. republicans may not be as lucky. kevin mccarthy is already struggling to secure the 218 votes needed to win the speakership. so far, andy biggs and matt gaetz say they're hard noes. if kevin does manage to get the gavel, it will likely only be because he made a deal with the extremists in his caucus and guaranteed enormous power to the

people who are promising nothing but chaos and pointless investigations into things like hunter biden's laptop and the doj's handling of january 6th insurrectionists who are where they belong, in jail. joining me is stuart stevens, he's worked on five republican presidential campaigns and is a contributor to resolute square, a new pro-democracy media platform taking on fox news and right-wing media. very much needed. michelle goldberg, columnist for "the new york times" and an msnbc political analyst. this is a really good mash-up, take a look. >> i talked about the main issues which is 40-year high inflation, record gas prices, skyrocketing crime. >> we have now have record inflation all across this country at 40-year highs. he supports biden's energy policies which have made gas and utilities more expensive. >> inflation, run away immigration, crime problems around the country. >> do they want to stay on the same path of inflation, of gas

prices rising, of a cost of living as you go to the grocery store. >> this election is about the biden agenda, people don't like high inflation, high crime, open borders, fentanyl. that's what we're talking about. >> i take it back, i love midas touch, but that was by us. meanwhile, michelle, let me show you a graph. not only are republicans no longer talking about inflation and crime, they have dropped it. i think one tweet from kevin mccarthy not withstanding. fox news was averaging 141 weekly violent crime segments per week from labor day through friday before the election. in the week of the midterms they aired 71 week day crime segments. it dropped 50% just in a week. they no longer care about crime and inflation. your thoughts. >> two things. one, the whole -- there really has been an increase in crime, and there's been troubling disorder in a number of major cities, but so out of proportion to the incessant coverage that make american cities seem like

some sort of, you know, '70s dystopial hellscape. i think you saw what the first press conference was once it became clear they had the majority. it wasn't about inflation, wasn't about crime. it was about hunter biden's laptop. if you watch that, somebody tried to ask them about something else. they were like, no, we're here to talk about hunter biden's laptop. that is what they care about. and even if kevin mccarthy would rather focus on issues of greater concern to the voters, he needs every single one of their votes if he is going to become speaker. so he needs to keep marjorie taylor greene, for example, on board. marjorie taylor greene is in the house because she wants to investigate a bunch of conspiracy theories related to joe biden and pursue a bunch of ludicrous impeachments. >> stuart, the thing is there's no accountability from the republican base, right? will there be any punishment or any consequences for telling your base that this is an election about inflation and

crime and then doing literally nothing on those two subjects and just doing weird investigations? >> you know, joy, the thing about the republican party that sometimes is hard for some of us who worked in the party to grasp is the republican party is what it wants to be. it is not a governing party anymore. it is a party that is about one thing, and that is the acquisition of power. that's how cartels are, how narco cartels are. nobody asks a narco cartel what is your real purpose here. and they don't care about these issues. what's interesting is to see that voters saw that they didn't care about it. what was the republican plan to fight inflation? what was the republican plan to lower gas taxes? they didn't have one. and because of that, they lost the election, and look. i think we exist in a world where two things are true. i don't think it's good for the country that they're going to be doing crazy stuff like going after hunter biden's laptop. but i tell you what, it is

really good for joe biden's re-election chances. because americans on the whole just don't give a damn about hunter biden's laptop. they care about real problems, and the president has been good about actually solving problems. >> and i want to let you both weigh in on this because the other thing that is clear that people really don't care about is all the things that right wing ooerjicals have said they care about. they did care about overturning roe v. wade, they don't wear too much about women. you have evangelicals trying to do the wholesales shift to the new jesus which they want to be desantis and saying trump used us. there's a whole piece in "the washington post," donald trump can't save america. he can't even save himself. he used us to win the white house. we had to close our mouths andis when he said things that horrified us. really? because they treated trump as if he was sent by god. it was all a real, lie? they didn't care about the god stuff. they just said it. >> first, i think it's important we remember we're talking about

white evangelicals. >> correct. >> it was african american evangelicals who saved alabama from roy moore. this is really about race, not about evangelicals. what the white evangelicals have become is largely, there are some people there, but for the most part, it is a group that supports a white -- how to keep white people in power. that is so much of what this is about. and people see it as disingenuous. it's not where the whole country is and it's absolutely tragic that they have managed to hijack what at one point was a well intentioned movement. >> and one person in it stands out to me as somebody who has played this game, michelle, probably better than anyone else just because she has the skill set as a tv person, as a former reporter. is kari lake. because she to me is the perfect -- she had a choice to make, whether she would be as

disingenuous as these white evangelicals are or standing fast with him. she's standing fast. she ran right to mar-a-lago and said, i'm not switching. i'm not switching horses. i'm not doing like candice and the others who are like, i never really liked trump. he's rude. she's like, i'm sticking with him. what do you think that means for what she does next? >> she doesn't have a political career outside of trumpism, which i think is what makes her different than a lot of these other figures who have sort of had a history in right-wing politics, hitched their wagons to trumpism, but are happy enough to put desantis in front instead. she is -- she is where she is only because of her fealty to donald trump. and so if she's going to have a future, either in political office or in kind of right-wing entertainment news media, i think that there is no -- it doesn't make good career sense

for her to make a break, right? he's kind of her only ticket. >> and you know, stuart, if you still have die-hards who stand with him, it's a schism in the party, right? they have to choose whether they go with old jesus or new jesus, and he literally declared himself to be jesus. on the eighth day, apparently, he created ron desantis to come back hundreds of years later and be our king. >> i'm in the camp that donald trump is going to be the next nominee and the best day that ron desantis will have if he does run is the day he announces. this is a guy who couldn't win a debate against charlie crist. he has no idea what he's getting into when he runs against donald trump. and just if you're sitting inside that ron desantis camp, which you have to realize, even if you manage to defeat donald trump, donald trump will not do what is normal when the party -- when the primary ends or the war ends. he'll continue to try to stop

ron desantis from being president, and he has that power. >> he is not ted cruz who will take the knee and suddenly become a sycophant. he will fight him to the last dog dies. and by the way, desantis doesn't have the one thing you really need to go national in politics, charisma. stuart stevens and michelle goldberg, thank you. >> who won the week is still ahead. first, how the blue wave bypassed mest of the black candidates running for offices and what that says about the democratic leadership's priorities. we'll be back after this. ou?! kevin?!?!?.... hey, what's going on? i'm right here! i was busy cashbacking for the holidays with chase freedom unlimited. you know i can't believe you lost another kevin. it's a holiday tradition! earn big time with chase freedom unlimited. ♪ ♪ allergies don't have to be scary. spraying flonase daily stops your body from overreacting to allergens all season long. psst! psst! flonase all good.

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this election made history before the votes were even cast, with very diverse field of candidates. there were 11 black contenders for u.s. senate this year, two of them incumbent raphael warnock and herschel walker have advanced to a runoff in georgia. then the five black nominees for

governor including a record three black women. when it came to state office, some black candidates won their races for attorney general, secretary of state, and treasurer. but in those gubernatorial and senate races only one democratic black candidate won, maryland's wes moore, who will become the state's first black governor. black voters and specifically black women voters are the backbone of the democratic electorate. so why did this prove so difficult? our next guest can shed light on the issue. she recently did an exit interview with black women voters, and joining me now, melanie campbell, ceo and president of the national coalition on black civic participation. tell me what this exit poll found. >> well, hi, joy. it's so great to see you and be with you on this friday night. black women were very clear. it was about the issues, the threat, if you will. it was about racism. it was about hate crimes. it was about reproductive rights, voting rights. and so the whole notion about

saving this democracy, black women were very, very clear why it was important. and when it got down to what happens with concern about what's the most important thing to be concerned about with your family, racism was number one. so it was very, very clear that even though you didn't hear a whole lot in this election where people talked about racism. you know, after george floyd and last year, all of a sudden, you didn't hear anyone talk about racial justice if you will, and that was very apparent in this poll. >> and i'm looking, we can put the second one up again. when voters were asked their top issue, racism and the rise in hate something we didn't hear about, we heard about crime but not criminal justice. on the issues of the top three issues about 40.5% or 41 to 45% said voting rights, reproductive rights, structural racism.

that's different from the exit poll that we saw, the general exit poll we saw from nbc that had inflation as number one. abortion was number two. then crime then gun policy. do you think the emphases of the candidates, the black candidates who are running in wisconsin, arkansas, florida, kentucky, et cetera, i wouldn't take out kentucky, i think he ran a really strong race in a tough state, we're to focus on the issues, the national broader audience cared about and not be black audience? i want to play for you ads that will be run by some of these campaigns. >> -- thanks. where is the beef going out this year? >> aggravated assault. total violent crime, all lower than a year ago. >> under her leadership there has been the most dramatic decrease in violent crime in

the city's history. >> they said we never lowered crime but i said, we never tire. >> there is a consultant class -- in the democratic party it seems they were steering these campaigns to focus on the issues that the broader audience cared about and not the issues we see in your exit poll. do you agree with that? >> i was in florida and i would say yes. i got about some of the things, that you showed is one example. it may impact it. some voters, black voters in florida, had those concerns. yes, definitely, a concern around violence, like everybody does, right? but, really, the real threat was black voters getting locked up for trying to vote. that's a justice issue. the reality that i'm from florida, born and raised. and the folks moving in to

florida and texas are but -- there is a lot of undercurrent going on that didn't get discussed in this election. when we talk about how we prepare for the next two years and the concerns that we have and the way the numbers broke down, the people who voted for some of these right-wing candidates it was really about race. it was the concern about being taken over by the brown people and all of that. the reality is, we've got to continue to push this and push this administration, push the congress, and get down on the ground in states where people are living this reality every day as issues around racism and white nationalism -- >> indeed. the three-day mcgrath, three out of the four democrats in wisconsin one. the only black democrat on the ballot lost. that's mandela barnes. lastly, on that very point about the right to vote, there's been all this litigation because georgia is

trying to deny saturday voting in this critical runoff election. there has now been a ruling. a judge said the georgia law does allow -- a lawsuit that was filed by senator warnock. how important is that, allowing saturday voting in this georgia runoff, in your view? >> early voting really works. even though people like like it's not, we are still dealing with covid-19. right? multiple opportunities to vote -- still the only election to have the problem of long lines in many places. most of those long lines are in black and brown communities and poor communities. the more opportunities to go vote, that's all the better for this democracy that we fought so hard to say. >> indeed. melanie will stick around with us. we won't let her go anywhere. that is next. stay right there. stay right there

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the house nancy pelosi as well. i think women won the week. >> women definitely won the week. i'm staying in california. i think we agree right now. congratulations to mayor elect karen bass. but also, i've got to give it to nancy della sandro pelosi. listen, she ended her speakership with class and grace. she passed the torch to a new generation and she took a punch and gave the punches she needs for the children. melanie campbell, thank you very much. look at that. her applause. thank you very much, melanie. thank you. that's tonight's read out. all in with chris hayes starts right now. all in with chris hayes starts right now. tonight on all in -- >> here today to announce the appointment of a special counsel in connection with to ongoing criminal investigations that have received significant public attention. >> merrick garland appoints a war crimes prosecutor to lead the trump investigations.