club queue. officials say the number of casualties are subject to change. the initial call came in just before midnight. police say the suspect has been caught, has been treated at a local hospital. click you posted to its facebook page saying, quote, club view is devastated by the senseless attack on our community. our prayers and thoughts are with all the victims and their families and friends. we thank the quick reactions of heroic customers that subdued the gunman and ended the state attack. now let's go to nbc's -- was the latest hearing from colorado springs? >> as you mentioned, the initial 9-1-1 call came in just before midnight. we're seeing response from multiple agencies, including police and fire, 11 ambulances, several dozen firefighters. authorities are calling this, defining the, as a mass casualty incident.

you can imagine the chaos on site. five people killed, and 18 people injured with all these people kind of learning those developing details. i want you to take a listen at this dispatch, some of this back and forth and chaos. >> this will be a command for active shooter, engine 13, to 74, tcm 2:34, north academy boulevard, club keogh. active shooter. all units respond, command for. >> nine gunshot victims. >> copy, nine victims. >> we're at 7:11 -- with a patient who's been shot seven times. dispatched to 7:11. -- 12, one, two, victims. they have multiple critical's. >> one, two, 12 --

>> the devastating shooting playing out at an lgbtq club in colorado springs, club q. releasing a statement on facebook overnight say in its devastated by the senseless attack on our community, and also adding that we think the quick reaction of hurricane customers that subdued the gunmen and ended this hate attack. hours before the shooting a club q, the club posted on his facebook page talking about an event scheduled for today. it was a drag brunch that was supposed to honor transgender day of remembrance. the police have not identified or spoken a motive in this, but it's certainly stars up memories of previous attacks on gay clubs, including the 2016 mass shooting at pulse nightclub in orlando. home to some of the most notorious attacks, mass shootings in the country, including the 1999 columbine high school shooting, the aurora movie theater shooting.

this is the latest to join that list. >> absolute tragedy. nbc's emily -- thank you so much. keep us posted. joining me now is clint watts, he's a former fbi special agent, an msnbc national security analyst. clint, thank you. sorry that is under the circumstances. -- to aid in these investigation. your former special agent. walk us through what investigators are going to do in this critical first few hours on the ground. >> yeah, it's a combination of two things, sam. for us we'll be doing the forensics of the actual shooting, to try to understand what occurred. there, remember a lot of times when you're just trying to gather evidence immediately, knowing that this is going to go to criminal trial. not only, that there could be trying to understand who the perpetrator was. it sounds like that perpetrator may have been apprehended. was this the act of a lone individual, or more of a network? they want to make sure that one, this isn't part of a broader scheme, or multiple attacks.

we've seen that kind of thing and other terrorist activities overtime. i think the second is that in terms of motives, is this a target that the perpetrator knew individually? that there's a person or persons they were trying to go at? or is this based on the fact of an identity that that club path, that this person went and perpetrated the attack against. i think sam, is not a surprise that there's been a lot of hate speech, and a lot of targeting of lgbtq q communities over the last months and years. every time we see more vitriolic hate, more hate speech towards the community like this, the more likely we'll see mobilization active violence like today, unfortunately. i'm sure that's the direction they're trying to go. >> as an operational matter, will the fbi take over the investigation or will they defer to local police? and what determination will have to be made for the fbi to take over, if they decide to do it? >> it would have to be part of

a broader theme, something that goes beyond simply of murder investigation. that's usually the distinction between state and local murdering destinations. a murder will go to the state department, they have knowledge and know-how of. it if it leans towards a hate crime or terrorist activity, or something that's part of a broader network that cross this state or local boundaries, that's when the fbi tends to come in. a third situation is that there's something unique about the perpetrator and the method in which he employed. or ties to social media on the internet. that's when federal forces are much better, better equipped for that type of investigation. they'll step. and i think this is an investigation that -- was the motive around specific individuals, was a more pointed? or was it really about the identity of the vent vigils, and it was picked is a hate crime or terrorist attack that they were trying to perpetrate? >> and we don't now. police, as of now, are not

commenting on motive. what we do have is a statement from the club itself, which called a hate attack. obviously, this took place at an lgbtq nightclub. this is a time when there is enhanced hateful rhetoric directed towards lgbtq members. why, what does the authorities need to do to throughout this together? how soon would we come to an inclusive motive? >> because the perpetrator, sounds, like was apprehended and taken a live, i'm sure that individuals already under questioning, if that's correct. meaning they will be able to gather some basic facts. they know the identity of the shooter. that is oftentimes the biggest complicating factor, they don't know who the perpetrator has. they'll be able to parts that would sort a direction it's going. is that specific to a certain individual, are there certain individuals who are -- or is this more based on the identity of individuals and

hate attack that was there. i wouldn't know, sound, that there are very many, there are very many cases throughout history of both. meaning they've targeted someone individually that they knew very directed attack, but it was also about the identity of that individual. it can fall into both buckets. i don't want to make it sound like it's dichotomous. they can be both at the same time. this reminds me a lot of the orlando nightclub shooting back last decade, while he had said, yes, in doing this on behalf of isis, there are underlying issues there that suggests that this was a place that he knew. that's why he targeted at. a canyonville direction simultaneously. >> it does have sad echoes of the pulse nightclub shooting, for sure. that's exactly what i thought about this morning when i saw the news. clint watts, thank you for coming on. and i appreciate your insights in this incredibly tragic morning. the colorado springs mayor and police department will hold a press conference at 10 am

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dividing congress, and who amongst -- should be investigated. congress following the midterm elections, the senate stays the same. democrats in control.

they gain to see. democrats gained ground john fetterman's victory over the trump endorsed oz. there's still a georgia runoff between rafael warnock and football great, herschel walker. well that race will no longer decide the fate of the senate, if warnock does hold on to a ct, it'll be easier for democrats to get things done in that chamber. in the house, it's a different story. republicans are now set to be in control. as for an agenda, the house republican priorities will include less funding for ukraine's battle against russia, and more investigations into the current president's family and his cabinet. speaking of investigations, the former president is facing a litany of legal trouble on multiple levels. plus, public lane and ridicule buyer -- for the republican red wing that wasn't in the midterms. now, attorney general merrick garland has announced that a special counsel will investigate trump's handling of

classified documents found at mar-a-lago, along with a key aspects of the investigation into trump's role in the january 6th attack on the u.s. capitol. now trump responded, in typical fashion, during a speech at mar-a-lago. the former president now has another way to get his message out. as of last night, trump has been reinstated on twitter. he was removed on january 8th, 2021. you might remember. this is after using the platform to help for that january 6th attack. joining me now to discuss all this is democratic representative -- of rhode island. he is a member of the judiciary, foreign affairs committees. congressman, thank you so much. you are pitching -- to barr donald trump the presidency. tell me about your plan, and realistically, does it have a shot? >> so this is a resolution witches under section three of the 14th amendment, where our

founders said if you engage an insurrection against the united states, or aided in abetted and activity, is disqualified from holding federal office. and section five they explicitly say is congress's responsibility to enact legislation to enforce this provision. it's very clear that after someone is engaged in that contact by the former president is disqualified from holding federal office. bill lay out the resolution about 30 pages, in considerable detail, what we learned during the impeachment investigation, during the january six hearing, and in public information about the presidents involvement. i think i expects we will have lots of cosponsors who are circulating the resolution now. i hope that we will have a vote on it before we turn it to congress. >> one you would jordan, the next congress who takes over will be republican control of the house. already they are talking about, promising really, to shut down any january six investigation.

instead, to investigate president biden's son, hunter. where does the investigation into january six go, and what does it mean for your legislation vis-à-vis trump running for office? broadly speaking, what do you imagine the next two years to look like in the house? >> well, we don't have to imagine the leader, mccarthy, and republican leadership in the house of the party, told us that they intend to consume time with investigations and hearings. they ran out a campaign about addressing the high costs of business services, high cost of food and energy, helping to rebuild the american economy. of course, that was never their interest. in fact, we know that because they voted against everything that we pass to bring costs down. they're interested in and using their two years as a way to set the stage for the return of donald trump. they're going to waste a lot of time, so it'll be our responsibility as democrats, to call it out. they're not allowed to just

make things up and get to investigate at. they've shown their hands, they told the american people what they intend to do of the next few years. that's not to focus on issues that matter in peoples lives, but instead, to try to use their majority to investigate the president and his administration to set the stage for a republican takeover in the white house. >> you said on one of those relevant committees, obviously been a minority sacks, think we can objectively say that. what kind of role do you imagine plane as they launches investigations other than screaming and saying this is annoying? >> look, i serve my first eight years of minority when i was elected to congress, you still have to figure ways to get things done. i can tell, you all of the democrats are prepared to push back hard on the make believe oversight investigations that they've already undertake. as well as of mine the american

people what we're focused on, despite what the republicans are doing in the majority, we're going to continue to focus on making sure people have access to high quality health care, making sure they protect social security medicare, and make sure we continue to make investments to rebuild our economy, and bring down costs of everything from food to energy. we ran at that in the midterms, will continue to do that while fighting to protect our democracy in the freedoms that so many americans have come to expect, like reproductive freedom, and -- will do our job, and will delve a contrast. i expect that we will then come into the majority again in 2024. >> congressman, want to your focal points of the last couple years has been anti monopoly, especially with respect to the tech sector. two developments that i want you to address. year one, elon musk take over a twitter. he is reinstating president trump, they'll take him up on the offer. the second offer is ticketmaster. this is bungled, badly, sales of taylor swift tours tickets.

she's even have been criticism of. that talk to me broadly about what's going on here. is this about monopoly control of major companies that you think is the problem? >> absolutely. this is a transaction between live nation and ticketmaster, which should never have been allowed to proceed. they control 80% of the tickets in the major concert venues, that's the monopoly. exactly what you said would happen monopoly is up and, has happened. this is in the first instant, there's been. many higher prices, lower quality customer experience, and last compensation for the artist, or workers who are producing these concerts. they have use this monopoly power to do exactly what monopolies do, take advantage of workers, take advantage of customers, degrade quality and raise prices. there is a -- entered into as a result of this transaction, i voted a year ago to the department of justice, to ask them to look at this again because of the anticompetitive behavior of the parties. i understand now the public

reporting that they have reopened investigation. they should do one or two things, either pose additional conditions to restore real competition in the marketplace, or unwind this transaction so that no longer will customers be taken advantage of in this way, and prices be outrageously high. this is a larger problem in our economy. this consolidation in many sectors of our economy which resulted less quality, less innovation, higher prices, less beneficial experiences for consumers, and we need to continue to take it on a serious way. >> congressman, if you could resolve this you have the admiration of the swifties, might be enough for presidential bed. i want to turn to a serious matter, you are one of a handful of openly gay members of congress this morning. we have tragic news of a shooting at a lgbtq nightclub in colorado springs, this is not the first shooting at a gay nightclub. probably won't be the last, it happens in the midst of increased rhetoric, aggressive

rhetoric towards trans members. we don't know the motive of the shooter, but what are your thoughts this morning? >> my thoughts are for us with the families who lost loved ones, and many who were injured. this is a horrific attack. it's devastating for our community. night clubs are places where our safe places for members of lgbtq unity, often when members are struggling with their own sexual orientation and gender identity with their families, that's a sacred and from a place to be. it does have that shed with this type of violence is disturbing. i think it's a result of two things. one is this growing hatred and toxic environment for the attacks against the trans community, coupled with easy access to firearms. we have to continue to do both things, to dress the issue in this country, and push back hard to make sure that people understand that every single person, whatever your sexual orientation or gender identity,

is entitled to respect, dignity, and live lives free from discrimination. we have a long way to go. i call in all the public officials who abuse the lgbtq community, particularly the trans community, and their attacks in this community, as some way to advance their political agenda, to stop that. this is the result of these kinds of things. we need to send a message to all lgbtq people, particularly trans kids, that they are valued and different, and we have a responsibility to keep them safe. >> democratic representative, david cicilline of rhode island. thank you for that last thought, we appreciate it. coming up, have a win for abortion rights in a surprising venue. what it means for the future of the post-roe fight for reproductive rights, that is coming up next. coming up next

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court's decision to overturn roe v. wade this summer, many states across the country have strict abortion bans that forced clinics to shut down, changing the landscape of abortion access in america. over the course of the past five months, abortion rights advocates have been quietly racking up little victories. they've blocked -- from taking effect, and prevented of their decisions that could affect abortion rights. since roe is overturned, at least ten states have succeeded in stopping their state governments from enforcing an abortion ban. at least temporarily. just last week, a judge in georgia ruled that the states six-week abortion ban was unconstitutional because it was for us and acted in 2019 while roe was still the law of the land. at this, the sweeping successive ballot measures that result in voters opting to protect abortion rights in all six instances. it appears the abortion rights movements is having some new forward momentum.

joining me now to discuss this is -- she's executive director of sister soul, the mainstream -- collective led by black women. she was named by the lead plaintive in the georgia lawsuit, that resulted in the state six-week abortion ban being overturned. also with us as rachel sweet, campaign manager of kentucky access. this year, she led the successful efforts that defeated the antiabortion ballot issues in both kansas and kentucky. both of you, thank you so much for joining me. veronica, in those really non your grooves lawsuit against georgia's six-week ban, george robert bernie says that when the law was passed, quote, it was unequivocal-y unconstitutional for governments, federal state or local, to ban abortions before viability. under jobs, it may someday become the law georgia, but only after a legislature determines of shock public attention that will undoubtedly and properly attend such an

important and consequential debates, where the rights of onboard children justify such a restriction on women's right to bodily autonomy in privacy. we haven't heard a really like that before regarding abortion bans. that's the argument you made in the court. two things, one, is it going to be appealed? two, do you expect that georgia's legislature to act quickly to pass the new six-week ban? >> well i will tell you that, as we are still very excited about the success, but we also know that we are working against our governments, we're working against forces that have told us and join us repeatedly that they have an agenda. we have to continue to put the pressure warren used to be, we have to hold the systems accountable in the ways that we did throughout the entire case, making sure that this court system that we have is actually working for us in the best way, and giving georgians what they want, which is to be able to live in a state where they can make their own decisions about

their bodies. what we also have to do is put the pressure on our state legislature. we have to ensure that they know that there is a broad coalition that is going to hold them accountable to ensure that we are going to get what we need in georgia, which is definitely not a ban. that's exactly what we're going to continue to have to do. >> rachel, for people like monica are taking charges to the court system, and as you noted, putting pressure on legislative officials in the state. you've been going straight to voters in these ballot addition to this. you've had, obviously, incredible success. you are approach from different angles. is there or tried to not that? it should be all of the above? why do you think voting measures, ballot measures, have been so successful? >> yeah, this victory in georgia is absolutely a testament to the fact that reproductive rights and justice advocates need to use every single tool in their tool box to restore access to legal

abortion. and kentucky, for example, the strategies are not separable. and kentucky, and number, eight voters rejected amendment, to do whatever move the right to abortion from the kentucky constitution by five point margin. a week later, on november 15th, planned parenthood in the aclu were in front of the kentucky supreme court doing oral arguments in a case over the states abortion bans, an amendment to was brought up by the judges multiple times. these are definitely strategies that we have to approach from every single angle. the reason that we have seen such success with abortion rights ballot measures across the country, and resonates, purple states, blue states, the cycle, is that it's really clear that the dobbs decision does not reflect the will of the people. the reason we got the jobs decision is because we have a conservative u.s. supreme court that is beholden to special interests. not to the will of the people. direct democracy, the ballot measures, as one way that the people can make their voices

heard on this issue, yeoward addition to continuing to hold elected officials accountable. we are definitely anticipating who we will see more of these have zavalla meadows in 2024 in 2026, as states evaluate the best way to get abortion rights back for women across the century. >> monika i have two questions for you. one, georgia is not the only state that have laws, abortion really laws, put on the books prior to jobs, right? so if you've been in charge with other states regarding the pattern, the path you took to see if they can replicate your success? and two, as you serve within the state of georgia, politically, do you think the midterm elections, which was sort of a resounding success for abortion rights, do you think that will make some republican legislators rethink the idea of fair stringent antiabortion legislation? >> i think that we really did creates a really awesome kind of case study for how it looks whenever we litigate, whenever

we organize reproductive framework like we did in this case. there are a lot of folks who are looking to wasn't thinking about what does it mean to really think about our is she is intersecting with each other. we lied with that, with this case in georgia. we talked about this -- so we really brought in that racial justice analysis that i think was really critical to understanding what was really at stake around this case. we've also brought in the case that georgia like, so many other gates around this country, as the with that health crisis in this country. we were able to really build bridges on those communities. this case, as in some places we call that a manifesto -- because we were really trying to make sure that people understood intersectionality. that people understood what it meant to really organize and move to see all these issues interconnected, because that's what's most important for people in georgia. yes, folks are really interested in how they replicate that across this country. secondly, in terms of what does

this mean for us being able to just continue to put the pressure where we need to, that's what we're going to have to do with anything that we're doing across this country right now. this midterm election did give us a really good picture as to what we have to work, on and how far we have to move. i think that republicans now, on a lot of folks who are bending on this, this will be their winning strategy that is not going to be there when he strategy whenever we continue to build a collective power that we did in georgia to get the win that we dead. i think it's really putting them on notice in a way that they're going to have to really think their strategies. >> rachel, finally, really quickly, last time you're on the show, before election day, obviously the fate of the kentucky measure was still really uncertain. what comes next for a like kentucky, where voters have now rejected anti abortion amendment, but there's still a strict abortion ban in effect? >> great question. as i, mentioned the aclu, planned parenthood, plaintiffs in a case over the state

six-week abortion ban in trigger ban. just last week, on november 15th, attorneys in those cases were arguing before the kentucky supreme court, attempted to get those law struck down. their argument is that the kentucky constitution does protect the rights to privacy, and it does guarantee a right to abortion. it's actually a similar argument to attorneys in -- but the judge at this time did not really weigh in on, but it is an argument that we're seeing states make as they try to move a path forward to litigate these really extreme abortion bans. we're feeling optimistic about the future of abortion access and kentucky. we knew that defeating cam and it was the first that, and now it's up to the courts, and to the people, to really hold their elected officials accountable regardless of the outcome. >> monica simpson, virtual sweet, thank you so much for joining me. we really appreciate. i coming out, nancy pelosi's impact on the democratic party and the conch tree is immense. we'll break this. down plenty more velshi still

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thursday, house speaker nancy pelosi announced that after two decades of leadership, she stepping down from her post as the top house democrat. pelosi's a trail blazer with the american political history. in 2007, she shattered the glass ceiling to become the first woman to become the speaker. this sum of hers accomplishments include raising funding for aids and hiv, pushing for -- and helping repair the military's don't tell policy. she let her party through the financial crisis of 2008. she oversaw to impeachment trials, through a failed insurrection, and really saved obamacare. her record is a testament to her brilliant negotiation skills, many nervous back from both sides of the aisle. according to the washington post, former republican house

speaker, and union bridge, describe policy as the strongest speaker in history for showing, quote, more capacity to organize and muscle with narrow margins, which i would've thought impossible, -- made her a frequent target of criticism with a tinge of sexism. in 2018, one former president donald trump tried to portray pelosi as politically weak join unplanned negotiation session on border security, pelosi didn't waver. >> nancy is in a situation where it's not easy for her to talk right now, and i understand that. i fully understand that. we're going to have a good discussion, and we're going to see what happens. we have to have more -- >> mister president, please don't characterize the strength that i bring to this meeting as leader of the house democrats, we just won a big victory. >> pelosi's political talents are often linked to her father,

thomas junior who was a democratic congressman a three-time mayor of baltimore. as well as her brother tom, as he was also the mayor of baltimore. like the men in her family, pelosi hadn't started in politics until she was 47 years old, after have been raised five children. that chapter of her life that pelosi credits with her tenacity and grit. she's also taking proud in her background as they -- washington post reporter, alan mccartney, points out that whole makers, from pelosi's era, were often overlooked and undervalued. quote, there was no flood of stories about the effect of being a parent on paul ryan and jon banner when they took the gavel. but if the house speaker spent a decade of their life as a football quarterback or navy seal, those years will certainly be mind for me need and relevance. pelosi's leadership training took place inside her home, and the experience, she and says, fundamentally changed her. joining us today to discuss pelosi's run and legacy is

michael beschloss, nbc news presidential historian, and -- special correspondent at vanity fair, and host of fast politics podcast. both of you, thank you so much for joining. as several members of the gop chose to skip pelosi's historic speech, while republicans simply refused to clap. molly, let's start with you. do you think they would've still displayed a similar level of this is by capitalist even a man? >> well, i certainly think pelosi got a lot of that kind of sexism and was treated really badly. i, mean she was also, remember, she lived through this terrible situation just recently where her husband was attacked in 82 years old by an intruder. i do think she's lived through some terrible stuff, and has worked incredibly hard and been just this kind of amazing phoenix in the democratic party. be really sturdy, and starting

her career 47. >> michael, pelosi is going to pass the torch to the next generation of leadership, but she's also going to stay on as a backup and share, i guess, is the way to put it, to help guide future leader, presumably hakeem jeffries. do you think it's actually possible for pelosi to actually take a step back after decades in power? how do you imagine her role be? >> no question. you know, it's luck to you for congress that she will be there because it helps to ensure a smooth transition. this is someone who is a great leader, and not -- she is actually an amazing modest woman. i think feature americans, futurist, orians will see her very much in the same historical class as great legislative leaders such as henry clay, or daniel webster. sam, do you want to remind us which collagen new hampshire daniel webster went to? >> i believe it was a small

school but people love, a call dartmouth college. >> dartmouth college, the college of daniel webster. maybe not in that order. the point is that nancy pelosi is absolutely in that category. for all the reasons you, said she slipped a lot of history, not only in political family walton, marshy new jfk in the late 1950s when she was and teenager, and i think the founders of this country, if they were able to see her, and i hope looking down they are, they would say this is just the kind of person they hoped would be the leader of the united states two centuries down. intelligence, warmth, toughness, them mastery at the legislative process, and finally, not only is she responsible for things like the affordable health care act, things like that, social security, i would wrecked gun that -- in the last six years, she was

the leader of the opposition, as well as the speaker. she held the torch of freedom at a time that donald trump was president, restricting our elections, doing everything he could to hurt democracy. she was a lead that spoke up to that. i love the piece of video that you showed. >> yeah, molly, let me ask you about this because at some point, pelosi had to pass the gavel, literally and metaphorically. democratic party leadership is, do you think that this was the right time for her to duets? and what do you think the democratic party loses with her departure? what did they gaining, frankly? >> i think it's really, i think it was the right time. she said that she was going to do it now. i think that's a really important point to make with nancy pelosi. she said she was going to do it and she did at. that was really important. i think that she hasn't led the

party for a long time. she is blood through a long time, from normal political, time the time when politics is normal, to the time of trumpism. she was able to lead and both those periods, and those were radically different periods for radically different things were needed from elected officials. so i think that's a huge scale. i think the fact that she stain with such small margins as really necessary, i think she has, and her mind, sort of plan for how this is going to go. it seems that -- will be taken on the torch, and she is sort of helping to guide that. i think, look, you see me with the recording about how she was able to win votes. she used a lot of the things she learned as a stay at home mother. i say this is someone who has many teenagers, to get votes, convince people, be a little beds interesting in the way she died at. i think her mother and

ultimately helped her. >> michael, as a matter of pure history, in terms of legislative accomplishments, but also in the general political aura, where does she rank as effectiveness as speaker skill? >> oh, absolutely at the top. i would say she does better than sam for all sorts of reasons. plus, the fact that we have to keep on coming back to the fact that i was talking about the founders, they would've love nancy pelosi, but they would have been startled to see a woman as speaker of the house. she's been a model for women, the foremost most powerful political leader in this country for many years, over the last two decades, and finally, she has been someone who has, as i was mentioning earlier, knew john kennedy, near the politics of her father, has been essentially eyewitness and leader in politics for a half century. a lot of people talk about her,

age i think that that was a plus. and a time when in these times wind immigrant see, there we, are they met with jfk, had dinner in maryland in the late 1950s. here in the oval office, 1961, when her dad was being sworn into a commission. so every time she was on the house floor, this was someone who knows democracy, has lived through it for a half century. during the last six years, when democracy was most in danger, i think it was an added strength that her muscle memory knew what to do. she knows how this democracy operates at its best, and she helped us. >> molly, let's pick up on that. obviously the last chapter of her time in office, actually the second to last, chapter because the last chapter was hunter biden. the second to last chapter of her term in office was under trump. people forget, we obviously remember how she guided congress through january six

and the calm approach we had that day. it's remarkable, frankly. she also did take on a fair bit of criticism from the left earlier on for dragging her heels on the concept of impeachment, saying the country really wasn't ready for that and didn't want to go down that road until, a ventilation, the acquiesced. how would you assess how she handled the trump era? where they're parts that you think she should've done differently? >> well, it's hard to monday morning quarterback now, but it seems that she came from this other world. she was the bridge between the new deal democrats and whatever it is the democrats are now. that is an enormous feat. i would say she was able to govern in the time of political stunts, which was trumpism, and it was kind of amazing. not a lot got down during those four years, as you'll remember, it was -- so, it's a completely different kind of way to act in the

world. i would also say she was a target in a way that few people have ever been. she was targeted, harassed, and ultimately her husband was attacked. she lives in her late 70s and early 80s through both been the most powerful elected women in this country, and also being a major target for all sorts of really scary stuff. i think she did a good job, it was an impossible situation, they were never going to get those republican senators to vote. maybe the second impeachment had they done it earlier would've been different, but i think that this was a very, republicans were very duggan and what they were going to do. i'm not sure the democrats are going to change that. >> fair enough. molly, -- with a great shout out to us small school, dartmouth college. we love it though. >> trying to find out what that

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before midnight, and police say the suspect has been apprehended and is being treated at a local hospital. authorities have yet to give word on an official motive. let's go right to the scene with natalie, our reporter form and be -- kelo a affiliate. it's been about an hour now since we last talk, tell us more if you know anything. >> yeah, like you sad, five people dead, 18 injured. we still don't know the extent of those injuries. we still don't know an exact motive confirmed by police when it comes to the suspect in the shooting. what we do know is that there has been an outpour of support around the lgbtq community here in colorado springs. i'm going to step out of the ways you can get a better look. if you take a very close look down in the corner, they're just not shadow, you can see a single candle is let's. i spoke with the person who let

that candle, they tell me they are a part of the lgbtq community here and colorado springs. they come to club q as a place to feel safe, and that's all they want as an lgbtq person, is to feel. say they say they will never understand how one human can do this to another human. they want to see this candle burn all day long. they also want to see other candles come out here. they hope that there will be an even bigger outpour of support. we are expecting an update from colorado springs police in about ten minutes at their headquarters. we have a team over there. we are expecting to get more information when it comes to the details of this. we do know the district attorney will be talking. just a leave you with this, we also know that our governor here in colorado just issued a statement. he has been speaking with our mayor and he called this incident terrific, sickening, and devastating. the only way many people are addressing this sickening and

horrifying for our community here in colorado. send it back to you guys. >> natalie cho can colorado springs, thank you so much for your -- joining me now is brandon wolf. he is a survivor of the 2016 mass shooting at pulse nightclub in orlando, florida. he's also the press secretary for -- and vice president of the jury project. brandon, we don't know the motive right now. i'm sorry that you have to relive this. what are your thoughts when you heard this tragic news this morning? >> well thank you so much for having me. it is a difficult morning for all of us in the lgbtq community, specifically those of us who have been impacted by hate violence in the past. i found out, i think like most people, about six and a half years ago it was our community, vertex nostalgia's and frantic phone calls. checking on people that i know in colorado. you know, the first wave of emotion is grief. my heart breaks for people.

my heart breaks for those who are going to have to learn the worst news on what is thanksgiving week. it's not lost on me that this is transgender day of remembrance for our community, a day when we memorialize transgender people who have been stolen from us because of hate violence. the second wave is fury because what we don't know the motive, we're obviously waiting for law enforcement update us, i'm so angry that we're in a place where the anti lgbtq hysteria that has been whipped up by right-wing politicians and extremist in this country has had people like us looking over our shoulders over the past couple of years like we haven't in a really long time. my heart breaks for those on the ground. orlando was with them, we're here to help in whatever way we can. i'm just really angry that we have to keep being in the situation over and over again. >> brandon, is somebody who's been in this horrifying type of incidents, what should survivors of a shooting like this expect to feel in the

coming days and weeks and months? how do you get three of us, if you get through it at all? >> yeah, it's hard. it's been six and a half years for me and i'm still learning how to care for myself. the first thing i would say is you can expect there to be an avalanche of support in the beginning, this lots of tv cameras, there is an outpouring of support and love. you should take advantage of everything you need. get access all the resources you need. ask for everything that you need. then when the tv cameras go away, and people start to go back to their daily lives, know that there are people out here like me who are going to be there for you every single day. when we say were there for you every step of the way, colin, ethylene on us. when it feels like you're all alone in the world and you need someone to lend you a shoulder or arm to cry, and please call us. we want to do everything we can to support. you of course, lean on your community. i believe that communities saved my life after the shooting in nepal's. community is the antidote to a

lot of the hate and bigotry that we've seen. don't be shy but we need on your community. you're should feel good about we need and in taking care of one another. >> all right, brandon, will again, my sincere is apologies that you have to live through this yet again this morning. survivor at the pulse nightclub shooting. press secretary for quality florida. thank you for coming on. i really appreciated. joining me now -- he's an nbc news and mbs nbc security analyst, former fbi director for counter intelligence. frank, the fbi announced that it's going to assist the college police department in the investigation at this early stage. what role and responsibility will the fbi take on? >> well sam, it sicknick and that this quickly, the fbi denver has already issued that statement that they're coming alongside colorado springs police department. it's significant in that we are

looking at -- we have just discussed, when a location like this appears to be targeted, you've got to look into whether the motive is hate. there are signs of that already in the sense that this was not a targeted individual, or two that were wounded. it does not seem like a personal beef right now. we'll have to let this playoff, gauge motive. but we have five dead more wounded. it is, as alaska said, transgender remembrance day on the calendar. it looks like there is something more to this than just a individual conflict between people. what can the fbi do? they're going to offer all available forensics and crime scene assistance, but even more significant, they are going to help forensically examine the individuals devices. we have someone in custody. they're going to be looking at his communications, his -- they'll help trace the gun that

was used. one was apart just, does that indicate something was planned recently, or for a while? dues his computer devices indicate search a transgender remembrance day on the calendar so that becomes the focus. lots of forensics will be investigating the. sam, don't be surprised if we see actual parallel mastications and a possible parallel prosecution, if they believe that hate is involved, you could see a colorado hate crime charge, and a federal hate crime charge. >> frank, i can't get over, and this is kind of secondary, i can't get over the fact that this is colorado again. the state has been the place where some of the most infamous mass shootings in our country's history. i'm wondering, is there some sort of societal issue here, where a community base -- gets numb to this? and our people in this community becoming attracted to this type of behavior, where

they see copycat instances of this? are you surprised the colorado is becoming this type of epicenter for these types of events? >> you know, that's a great question. we have to start asking some hard questions about what environments incubates hate. again, i want to emphasize that as you have been very early in this particular investigation, we simply don't know motive. we'll be watching closely, and the police press conferences as this develops, but yes. the state of colorado, as with many states, is two or three states and one in terms of demographics and the possibility of extremism. it's well-known plays for evangelicalism, for example. colorado springs, for example. they have politicians on the left and on the right, lots of things going on. one thing that we simply can't

tolerate, and leaders, particularly in government and political -- must come out and messages that this kind of violence, for whatever the motivation, is simply intolerable. i don't think the people of colorado's truly want to live in a state where this is tolerated, or where they become numb to it. we'll be looking to leaders, to help calm down and verge acts out rights any kind of extremist ideology that comes along and supports this. law enforcement, by the, way will be examining public postings on social media, and known violent extremist groups to see whether they're aching this on, and courage a net, copycat crimes become a real concern now that law enforcement will be on the alert for this. i would encourage everyone out there, if you hear some, supporting encouraging and talking about doing this type of violence, get on the phone, get on line, of report that to the authorities. >> all right, frank, thank you

so much for providing expertise in a very difficult morning. a quick note, colorado's governor, the first openly gay governor, issued a statement, a short statement a short time ago saying, quote, this is a horrific, sickening, devastating moment. my heart breaks for the family and friends of those lost, injured, traumatized, in this horrific shooting. >> such a tragedy. all right. that's all for me, ali velshi will be back next week. we are expecting an update from colorado springs officials any moment now. jonathan kaye part picks up our coverage right now. another deadly mass shooting. a gunman opened fire at all to be to kill up in colorado killing five injuring at least 18 will have a live update from police. donald trump's twitter account is restored of he faces his