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and injuring 25 more. this is another horrific example of terror and violence impacting the lgbtq+ community. plus, for getting into house democrats. they're passing the torch to a new generation of leaders. speaker nancy pelosi, and congressman -- and jim clyburn are all giving up their spots. but the remaining in congress -- we're talking to majority clyburn himself about the move. and what we should expect from the new leaders. and we're talking to the woman at the center of president biden's economic agenda. office management and budget director shalanda young is here. she'll talk about funding the government, and what you need to know about the picture of student debt relief. i'm symone, and i have something to say. ♪ ♪ ♪

>> we've got a lot to get to today. including democratic congressman james clyburn, and the major leadership changes in congress. we begin with breaking news today. that horrific mass shooting in colorado springs, overnight a gunman walked into an lgbtq nightclub and opened fire. he killed at least five people and injuring over two dozen more. before patrons at the club disarm the subject. right now the alleged gunman, a 22-year-old man is in custody. being treated for minor injuries at a local hospital. authorities say they have not identified a motive yet. but they are investigating whether it was a hate crime. today the colorado springs police chief talked about the impact of this horrific tragedy on the community. >> i want i express my condolences to those families who've lost loved ones during this tragic event. and to those that were injured. club q is a safe haven for

lgbtq citizens. every citizen has the right to feel safe and secure in our city. to go about our beautiful city without fear of being harmed, or treated poorly. i'm so terribly saddened and heartbroken. >> president biden also released a statement on the attack. saying quote, gun violence continues to have a devastating and particular impact on lgbt t q i a+ communities across our nation. threats of violence are increasing. we saw six years ago in orlando when our nation suffered the deadliest attack effect digging lgbtq i plus people in american history. he goes on to say this. tragically, we saw it last night in this devastating attack by gunmen wielding along rival at an lgbtq+ nightclub in colorado springs. steve patterson is live right now from colorado springs to give us more. steve, we know that the fbi is

assisting in the investigation. what else can you tell folks at home about this investigation. and what's happening right now on the ground? >> first, starting off another day of abject or in this country. unfortunately, one as you so well laid out, it's all too familiar especially at an lgbtq nightclub here in this country. meanwhile, police before you can even process the pain you need to process that scene. you need to figure out what happened. that's what's going on as we speak. police still sorting through that scene. we know they recovered at least two weapons, one of them a long gun that police believe was used in that shooting shortly before midnight last night. the shooter moving through that nightclub as you laid out, five dad, now 25 injured. it's an upgrade from the 18 that we heard just a few hours before. police scheduled another briefing in the next few hours. that number may change. although the number of dead has stayed solid.

meanwhile, we've heard stories about people that were inside that club. they were running in fear, shots ringing out, mixing with the music adding to the confusion. several people running to several dressing rooms, china locked themselves in closets, anything to stay away from the gunfire. one guy we spoke to says, he could hear the gunshots in his friends dying. you describe the pain of that as the night progressed. just a terrible situation on the ground. the community now, their sense of security in the club has been shattered. the sense of peace has been shattered. and really the sense of togetherness in tele-can be repaired again has been shattered as police again continue to do their work. we won't know more about the possibility of a federal hate crime, obviously, it's inferred when you take aim at a nightclub that's this historically significant. to this community. and it's so much is because this is one of the first really gay clubs that started about 20 years ago. firstit open people to this

lifestyle. the way people choose to live. and it brought people of this community together. to have it happen here, adds to the horror of the situation. and it will add to the sadness once people process that horror. but for now, police, federal investigators continue to do their work. >> and bc steve patterson, thank you very, very much. to steve's point for folks at home don't understand, it's one of the top five lgbt -- in the country. this is devastating. think about, it you're going out for a night out, and want to your friends, want to your family members someone does not come home. the shooting in colorado springs also happen on the eve of today's transgender day of remembrance. this is a day that commemorates trans people who've lost their lives because of, anti-trans violence. according to the human rights campaign, so far in 2022, at least 32 trans people were fatally shot or killed by other

violent means. just to be clear, as steve talked about, we don't yet know who the victims of the attack in colorado springs were. we do know that they were at an lgbtq plus nightclub. we don't have an official word of the shooter's motive. but club q released a statement. it's on your screen right now. calling the shooting a hate attack. i want to bring in kelley robinson, president of the human rights campaign. thank you for joining us, kelley, this is the first time i'm talking to you in your new capacity. i wish it was under better circumstances. this, again, people in america they will cup to news of yet another mass shooting. one that many people believe, and we again don't know, it targeted the lgbtq+ community. it's the latest in a string of violence targeting the lgbtq community. and let's be honest, we can't talk about this current climate of hate in our country, without talking about the role of anti

lgbtq rhetoric. i think it's contributing to these violence incidents, and i want to know what your thoughts are on that, do you agree, what do you think needs to be done to curb it? >> i am devastated. i'm heartbroken. i'm also enraged right now. you said it so clearly, this attack happened that one of the places that people go that algae to blast people go to feel safe. to feel celebrated, joy. that was stolen from so many people last night it was stolen from the victims of the people of colorado springs. it was stolen for our community at large and we do need to put this attack into the broader context. the lgbtq plus committees facing high -- attacks in general whether you're thinking about threats to drag queen story hours of bomb threats to children's hospitals. our community is living in fear. we need to do something to end this epidemic of violence, and first and foremost we need to

center the people of colorado springs, the people that were at club q that night. they deserve to find peace in whatever ways they can, as a community or responsible for holding them through this tragedy. -- even more than thoughts and prayers. but action in resolution. >> action in resolution is needed. we talk about the current climate, the rhetoric, we also talk about legislators role in this. i'm thinking about all the state houses across the country, they've introduced to hundreds of bills that have targeted and discriminated against trans, nonbinary individuals. talk to us about but the united against hate initiative, the effort to halt some of these bills that are moving through legislative changes across our country? >> absolutely. this last legislative session we saw over 300 anti lgbtq+ bills introduced in state houses across the country. in fact, 25 of them actually passed. i think we can ignore that

we're also living in a political climate, where communities are under attack. all of our communities, including our kids, trans kids and children of color. this is devastating. a lot of these political attacks are happening in the states, are married with attacks on life. folks are subject or harassment and bullying because of their identity. as they're trying to live in the beauty and wholeness of the fullness of who they are. this isn't acceptable. we need to do more. and yes, there is a political lying to this. when we have a think about what's happening with our elected leaders. even more so, there is a community focused biggest that's at hand, we need to make sure the experiences of our communities are at the center. in this particular incident, i want to acknowledge that, one, there's heroism that never should've had to be don. with some of the patrons that stood up and stop this attack. and that the colorado springs police department had a quick response. we hope that moving forward, the fbi, the department of justice, everybody

investigating continues to send -- the people of colorado springs. and the patrons of club q. >> kelley robinson, fact you for your time today. we often talk about not this show, hate only spreads. so, whether it's an attack on lgbtq+, or the attack on the jewish community, or anti black this, we need to speak truth to what's happening in this country and stand up and fight against it. thanks for your time and work. thank you so much. joining me now is a truth teller, current democratic whip james clyburn, of the great state of south carolina. welcome to you, sir. i want to start with getting your reaction to the shooting. what's your message to the people of that community, and to the lgbtq+ community at large in this country? >> thank you for having me, symone. this is just incredible. i'm thinking about orlando

several years ago. i'm thinking about the legislative bodies, all over the country, -- we have got to stop this. we've got to began to look at people as a family member. there is not a single family without [inaudible] some people -- with this community. and why should we isolate them and not treat them as family members that they are? so, i'm trying to be everybody's family member. the way i treat my own. there's a lot of people in my family who i know, who are affected -- we ought to treat them like family members that they are. >> congressman, you've been very ardent supporter of legislation that combat's hate

crimes. including efforts to better equipped local law enforcement to investigate and classify hate crimes. while police are still investigating the motive behind the shooting in colorado springs, do you think there is more congress could do to bolster hate crime laws across the country? >> absolutely. we've been doing a lot. you may recall, the first hate crime bill came about when i was -- only brought that bill. we passed that bill. and i was seen as one of the great successors of my wig ship. so, yes, we need to do more. and we will do more. i just hope we can do get corporations, on the other sides of the aisle in this news house of representatives to do more. >> yes, yes. there's an inside outside strategy that i know that you've been talking about. i want to ask you about that in a second. first, i want to talk about

democratic leadership in the house. because you and your colleagues, speaker nancy pelosi, and steny hoyer, all said that you'd be giving up the leadership position to make way for a new generation. specifically, you've endorsed hakeem jeffries for minority leader. catherine clark from minority whip, and congressman pete aguilar for democratic caucus chair. -- what was it about this particular election that made you all agree that now is the time to make this change? >> i think it had a lot to do with us, where we are. when we were looking at the entire day -- would come out. you may recall, you and i have talked, the weekend before the election. i think i was on the same show. >> yes, yes. >> at the time, all of these

incumbents, these candidates, will [inaudible] this will be a very close election. i think you'll be surprised. a lot of people were surprised. we had hoped that the result would be a little bit different. but we decided that because where we are on the calendar, with -- that it was time to set in motion a transition. we are doing that because we think the time is right. when you're in a morning already like we are, this will impact time, and leaders to really get to learn, with their caucus, get to learn their process and be ready to assume, leadership in the majority come 2020. for >> this sound something similar to what i heard with congressman way are saying earlier today. speak to the concept of an

inside game, outside game because you recently said you go from an inside game to an outside game. to help this slate of voters -- as you just alluded to. what does it really mean, can you elaborate on that? >> well it means that those of us that have been around for a while. we've been on the outside, as long as i've been on the outside, i've never been on the inside a few years. but i only got to congress at the age of 52. i wasn't waiting to get to 52, i was working hard to get to the process open so that people like me could. so, i do know that feeling very well. i'm a graduate of an hbcu, i spent time on the cap is as hbcus, most of them are located in the south. i live here in the south. i've been working hard in georgia will, it paid off the last time. i think in north carolina, it

will soon pay off. it takes a little bit more time for south carolina, and mississippi, and alabama. but we have an inside outside game that we're gonna work. when you come back, the majority in 2024, we will have a real 50 say approach to it. >> all right, that's the democratic majority whip, james clyburn, claiming the majority in 2024. thank you very much for your time. you promised me some comments on the -- because don't think i forgot. thank you. >> thank you very much. looking forward to. it >> all right now. coming up on symone, there is fresh scrutiny of the fbi and social media sites. as hate speech continues to spread. and concerns grow over domestic terror. the alarms are flashing. the question is, is the government are some of these agencies meeting the challenge. i'll discuss with a terrace expert after the break.

but first, my colleague richard lui, is here with today's other top news stories. >> good sunday to you. first off, new york's governor activated the national -- to help with storm recovery at -- western new york was hit with more than six feet of snow over the past few days. county officials say that two people died as a result of this historic storm. and a major deal on climate change, the un reach a groundbreaking global agreement. it will provide financial aid to vulnerable countries impacted by extreme weather events, often worsened by carbon emissions from wealthier nations. this comes as the top 27 climate summit wraps up today, it was two weeks-long with diplomats from nearly every country in the world. more symone, right after this break. hi break.

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news out of colorado. at a nightclub. investigators have yet to classify it as a hate crime. but club q, is known as a slave haven for the lgbtq+ community. a new report from the senate of homeland security committee, says that law enforcement in agencies aren't doing enough to stop domestic terrorism. not enough being done to stop hate speech on social media. and domestic terror attacks are aren't being adequately -- i want to bring in -- senior policy researcher for rand corporation, or and chief

of homeland security and intelligence for the district of columbia. thank you so much for being here today. we had you booked, and another active terror happened in america. we know that all the facts are not in. but from what we do know, what would you characterize the shooting has, club q in colorado springs as, would you say it's domestic terror? >> i wouldn't get ahead of authorities yet, symone, and say that. in our business we don't believe in coincidences. as you mentioned before, in the previous segment, it was a very well-known club in this community. and the dhs and fbi, in that report you mention from the senate they criticize for not being able to track these types of -- the set of report states that domestic terrorists have a synergy with hate crimes. and what that means is that these domestic terrorists seek

places, targets based on race, ethnicity, sexual identity. so, that's what we're looking at right. now i would suspect that this is that case. i don't want to get ahead of authorities. >> so, let's talk about the senate report that. it did find that the united states hasn't actually tracked data to measure domestic terrorism. the fbi actually uses one category for all racial, ethnic violence. and this was fascinating when i found this out. and quite concerning. for instance, it doesn't single out white supremacists, mass murderers from say, black lives matter protesters throwing rocks. i find it quite problematic. what should we be doing differently, if you could speak to the discrepancies in classification? >> well, some of these charges occur in the state and local levels. they don't often rise to the attention of the federal

authorities and every state and local statue has another definition for what acts of terrorism are, and hate. we it has the senate report mentions, there is a synergy, a blurred line between what's a hate crime, and what an act of domestic terrorism. as post 9/11, our homeland security and counterterrorism posture has been to find the terrorists that are coming from overseas. it's very difficult for these agencies to turn their lens inward, and look at the domestic threat. and that's what the senate report is critical of. different databases, different definitions, if you go angle right now. you'll find at least 15 definitions of what terrorism is. this is a problem that we face. within there, symone, a lot of these terrorist threats fall through the crack -- from definition standpoint. but, also from a tracking standpoint. >> so, we're talking about the shooting in colorado springs, we talked about the senate

report. i think, i was thinking about this cop topic and i kept on seeing about thinking hbcus, we got news this week that a minor will be charged in connection to the 50 bomb threats made to historically black colleges and universities this year. one, is the threat against hbcus being tracked? and my follow-up to that, how can we better protect these institutions, quickly? >> wow, the problem is the threats are coming from all over. and they're directed to too many communities. we've seen the lgbtq+ targeted, we've seen the hbcus targeted, and so authorities are really having a hard time keeping track of this threat. which is predominately coming from the right. and white nationalists. i spoke earlier this year to security experts who work on these college campuses. they're having a hard time tracking the threats on their

campus. let alone those that are coming from external. there's a lot of work to be done. the federal authorities specifically dhs and fbi can do more. and certainly, the standard report states that. it begins with numbers. we need to understand and quantify the threat. you can't do that the federal authorities are tracking properly. >> you can't understand the threat if you don't track it within the data. donell harvin, thank you very, very much. a tragedy is unfolding in colorado springs right now after a mass shooting at a lgbtq+ nightclub. reactions are pouring in from across the political spectrum. my political panels joining me after this break to discuss just that. and later, i'm gonna have a one-on-one conversation with the leader of the agency, president biden calls of the nerve center of the government. i'll be back in a moment, stay with us, y'all. with us, y'all no matter your purpose, at pnc private bank we will work with you every step of the way to help you achieve it. so let us focus on the how. just tell us - what's your why?

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2022 has been a difficult year for lgbtq+ spaces across the country. so many have been besieged with intimidation, they include a drag so at a tennessee museum, a story hour in oregon, a drag brunch in texas, and a bingo game in texas. yes, a bingo. game they faced far-right protesters, and right-wing conspiracy theories, lgbtq people -- are groomers out to recruit children. it's not true. meanwhile, 300 pieces of anti lgbtq legislation were

introduced this year. 300. that name is doubling in only two years. i need to say, yet again we still don't know the motive behind last night's deadly club shooting in colorado springs. it's clear, by the intimidation we're seeing in the streets, the rhetoric working on television, not this show, but others. the slurs being lobbed online. the legislation being passed across the country. the lgbtq+ community is a target. my political plan is joining me now to discuss. alexi mccammond, is here, an msnbc contributor and political reporter from axios, aisha mills is here, and former -- he's an msnbc political analyst. thank you all for joining me today. it's crazy what's going. on aisha, let's start with you, what do you think's driving this uptick and anti-lgbtq+ rhetoric? we're seeing a resurgence of the 1970s era. they're coming to recruit you. i find it quite --

? >> well, let me tell you, symone, i was a leader in the marriage equality move it in the late shot. around 2010, 2011, et cetera there was a group called focus on the family. they were based out of colorado springs, they really led the vile hate movement against lgbtq+ people in a country. they rammed us in the face with all kinds of lies, misinformation, and hate. because they were against marriage equality. but they also continue to preach this foolishness that essentially says that gay people can be converted if they find jesus, and not be gay anymore. all of this, happens and responds out of colorado spring. i'm not responses that we see somebody, attack a club. this is not anything that's new, unfortunately, those people who are still dying. and we've got to do something to tackle the people who are spreading hate and getting away

with that. whether you call them a hate group or not, when you have these organizations that are able to go on social media and spread what we know to be dangerous lies, mistruths about people in the name of jesus. you end up with shootings like this. >> let's talk about that, congressman, i want to bring you in this. these attacks, many of them come from far-right factions of the republican party. but we've also seen 47 republican support marriage equality in the house, 12 republicans in the senate. i often said, when we were talking about the abortion fight. i made the point that said, republicans get abortions to. republicans are gay people to. so, what's really going on with these factions among the republican party apparatus? >> look, incremental progress i suppose. the era, aisha was talking about, i was in congress -- i was one of two in the house at the time. in the eight years, or now at 40, that's progress.

but guess what, democrats have always been there. i don't think we need to set a parade for republicans in this moment. i actually think that there is questions of religious voices i -- are fair winds. i think the most dangerous voices on this are in the political arena. what i mean by that, is there's constant, consistent expression of implicit bias but towards lgbtq+ community. when you have a don't say gay bell, or when ron desantis wants to send the police to investigate drag shows. don't say gay was not a reaction to this celebration of heterosexuality in florida. it was because more and more people are identifying publicly as lgbtq+, it scared republicans. when leading political voices say, there's a problem with being lgbtq+, and we don't want our kids to be exposed to it. that's the bias that our culture has not yet broken. and those biases rest politically within today's republican party. a >> i think it's so. true alexa, you report on this all the time.

you've seen it from florida, everywhere in between. what's the endgame for some of my republican friends on this. i don't understand the point here of the demonizing, the targeting people, what is the endgame? >> we've seen how republicans like to use these culture wars to simply score political points. whether it's through the 300 plus pieces of legislation that you mentioned at the top of our conversation, the anti-lgbtq+ legislation that's move through state legislatures, or someone like governor ron desantis, as the congressman was just talking about, the don't say gay bill in florida. it's something that help adds to the political profile, but one thing is clear, they want to continue demonizing folks and otherizing people to give their base voters someone and something to be afraid of. and western colorado, ahead of the midterms, republicans are pushing these mailers to latino voters, in spanish that said

that democrats and joe biden using children for gender experiments. using words like experiment, even saying that the president and democrats are forcing these things on children, is wrong. but the goal as you know is to scare people. and bring them closer to republicans. >> it really is. i gotta say anyway that doesn't stand up to this disgusting rhetoric, we need to call it out. we need to have a conversation with the folks that traffic in this bs for bat, lack of a better term. i want to move to get your reaction to the leader ship shakeups in the house. and democratic congressman -- jeffries, to replace speaker -- he had something to say on this this morning. i want you to take a listen. >> the majesty of the house democratic caucus is that we also incredibly diverse. in terms of race, gender, religion, and sexual orientation. in terms of region, life experience, and ideology from the left, to progressives, new

dems, blue dogs, moderate and centrist. democrats and all points in between. -- create this frame of democrats in disarray. we've always consistently able to come together. to find the highest carmen denominator, get things done for everything and every day americans, and make progress. >> aisha, quickly breakdown for our viewers, as to what an effective democratic community would look like, as we just heard from -- week to this mess that we have for people like ron desantis? >> look, full disclosure, i've always been a fan of congressman hakeem jeffries. i think he's the best and brightest of the democratic party, who we are, and who we aspire to be. what it looks like to govern, is what the democrats have been demonstrating for years. it's to include as many voices as possible. i believe that we really, the house doesn't have this problem as much as the senate, we have

to hold the line. fundamentally on issues that are values based, and about the ethics of who were gonna be as a nation. i don't think we can let the republican party continue to pull us to the right. how the democrats try to govern [laughter] and deal, they only have a slim minority it -- needs to be really principled and they need to stand up for democratic values and not keep getting pulled to the right just because they don't necessarily have the gavel right now. >> we're gonna talk some of those issues because my panel will be back. you're sticking around. you're not going anywhere. we'll see you shortly. but coming up, i have a special interview with a trail blazer. the first black woman to lead the very important agency, that oversees the implementation of the federal budget. it sounds wonky, but we're talking about managing trillions of dollars. shalanda young joins me at the green table, next. give the black women your budget. ! what r any party.

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already begun on capitol hill and there's a chance that it might get ugly in the next few weeks. the white house has asked congress for an additional ten billion dollars to fight covid-19. and almost 38 billion dollars more for ukraine. which republicans have already said they try to cut. the bigger issue still looming though, lawmakers need to reach a bipartisan agreement to fund the government for 2023 before december 16th, there's also the president's plan to cancel $20,000 of student debt for qualified americans but the biden administration is considering a pause of payments now this plan is tied up in court. there is one caught part of the white house that's definitely feeling the heat. president biden calls it the nerve center of government. that's the office of management and budget. the office of management and budget or omb, plays a major role in implementing the presidents vision across the executive branch. and a number, frankly number

one along those responsibilities developing execute the by jet. for the first time ever, a woman of color, black women's leading omb, shalanda young was concerned by the senate in march to this cabinet level -- to have omb director, shalanda young with me at the green table. welcome to you, welcome to you. before we get into the nitty-gritty of the budget, i want to get your reaction to the shooting in colorado springs at an lgbtq nightclub. >> thank you for having me. two, i'm devastated. in america that looks like another shooting, another target to the lgbtq i community, they should be heartbroken this morning. huawei automotive, and everything else it didn't take a rocket science to see where this happened. this community is constantly under threat, we remember orlando from six years ago, it has got to stop, it's got to stop. my thoughts and prayers are not enough anymore.

and while i'm so thought of the bipartisan work on gun reform earlier this year, the president signed into law, clearly we have more work to do including when you heard the president called for as an assault weapon ban. we need to root out hate glenn ivey we need to get guns out of the hands of these people, who have hate in their hearts. >> absolutely. i want to turn to talk about some of the money that the president has been asking -- it's his job to go out and ask for the money he's asking congress for a significant amount of aid for ukraine, we'll put some of this on the screen billion dollars for weapons and humanitarian aid. hundreds of millions more for refugee nuclear security, will president biden get this in the partisan congress? >> so, remember it's been a long time, a long time on the hill in the middle of many of these funding decisions, funding fights on again, there is no reason not to do the things the president calling for, there's been bipartisan support for covid.

why wouldn't you want the next generation of vaccines and therapeutics. that's what we're asking for. let's get ahead of this. why wouldn't -- the ukraine fights no less than a fight for democratic values. this isn't just about ukraine. they're showing, what they can do with the help of the world. we're not turning our backs on them. there's bipartisan support there, altoona the noise, we're gonna get it done. >> strong words from director young. i want to ask about -- 2023 republicans are going to take back the house. it'll be a split government. -- very narrow majority what is your strategy going to be. are you concerned with the ability for the president to move forward? >> if you look at the bills, you always need two parties to come together. that's nothing new, i have every faith that it will happen. it's been a long portion of my career on -- communities, during spending bills, republicans and

democrats come together at the end of the day. to make these priorities happen. and for your viewers, we're talking about what happens if we don't do this. kids can't go to a head start centers, our men and women in uniform don't get paid. these are real live people. we really don't have an option. we're talking about basic jobs to keep the lights on and the governments provide services for people. >> let's hope for the american people, you find congress -- across the aisle that agree with you. i want to ask you about student debt. the white house is weighing -- a pause on payments. given the current court battle. i want to ask very directly, is the white house going to pause repayments for student loans while the courts do what they do? >> we're looking at all options. clearly, the idea was as we forgive that, we'd restart payments in conjunction with that. we're looking at options now that these lawsuits are in the works. let me be clear, we believe we have a legislative authority to

do student loan repayment. while we're doing, and joe biden believes forgive the american people a little breathing room. that they can go out and live the american dream as they say. a student that's been crushing. people cannot afford homes. they cannot save for retirement, the can't start small businesses, this is an economic issue. and we've got to address. it we have every confidence that we're going to. >> are you all triangulating? let's say the supreme court doesn't uphold, it's another conversation. what is the plan going forward for student debt, as you said, it's an issue that's crushing americans. young people and not so young folks. >> one, we're very confident in our legal authority. we're taking the fight to the supreme court because we are confident. i know people are concerned, there is a reason the president did this. it's the right thing to do. people need it. and because we're so confident, that we have the authority to do this we're asking the supreme court to weigh. and >> all right, omb director shalanda young, very good to

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than trump. it's just the same policies for the last six years under the former president. >> i hope you can see my face right now, david jolly, i agree with. you alexi, a lot of these lines, say no -- match mcconnell faced a very strong challenge to his leadership position. but he did when, my question to you, is what is your reporter telling you about this grip he may not have on his members going into this next congress? is it looser than we've seen in the past? >> certainly. as the former congressman was alluding to. there's a moment happening with the republican party, they're trying to figure out how to get away from trumpism. whether or not they get -- policies, and that style of governing remains to be seen. even on the campaign trail, senator mcconnell had detractors in those maga trump back the senate candidates. i'm thinking of someone like blake masters in arizona. who of course lost. when folks are blaming trump, or mcconnell's looking on

whether he can have a grip on the party, they're thinking about how to get rid of trumpism, but how to move forward in a way that they're offering something for the american people. and not just criticizing either democrats, or their own, which is happening at every level of the party. >> i have a strong 20 seconds. give me one sentence to describe what we're seeing from our republican friends in congress? >> hot mess, as always. >> we're gonna leave it there, alexi mccammond, aisha mills, david jolly, and before we go guys, today somebody's birthday. i want to wish a very special happy birthday to one of my former bosses, president joe biden. happy 80th, sir. this is us, and our fabulous first lady, dr. jill biden, this is from in south carolina, south carolina -- they make presidents. we'll see if that's rings true in 2024. thank you guys for watching

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