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departments investigations into trump over 1/6 and over classified documents.

but listen and weep as we hear garland explaining why he made the decision to handed all over to a special counsel. >> based on recent developments, including the former presidents announcement that he is a candidate for president in the next election, and the seeding presidents stated intention to be a candidate as well, i've concluded that it isn't public interest to appoint a special counsel. >> the public interest? come on. what happened to politics not getting in the way? presidential campaigns not being a shield? with disappointment, trump gets his way and garland gets to handoff the responsibility for going after the former president to someone else. see, the attorney general says the move well help distance the biden administration from the administration, avoiding any illusions of partisanship. but if you think the right will be appeased by the decision to appoint to special counsel, think again. this is how fox reacted to the decision on friday night.

>> so who is the special counsel? his name is jack smith. he's a democrat, so it'll probably hire a team of other democrat prosecutors to investigate the former republican president. mr. smith began his career in new york and worked for the clinton and obama administrations, and right now, mr. smith is over in europe. >> but it's not just fox. the media as a whole in this country has normalized donald trump for far too long. despite the fact that trump isn't in any way a normal politician. he's a man accused of serious crimes who was impeached for -- u.s. seat of government. these are the facts that should be front and center in anyone all coverage of his decision to run again. so, sure, that's how it should be. but here's the reality. when trump announced his run on tuesday, some in the media interacted -- reacted with inane trivia like

this push alert that noted that trump, if elected, would become only the second president to serve to non consecutive terms. who cares? other media organizations just send out the ex presidents declarations verbatim, putting out tweets that red as if they were written by trump himself. and then, there's social media as a whole, where last night, the republican owner of twitter, multibillionaire ilhan musk, announced trump would be welcomed back to the platform. it was only a few weeks ago that trump -- yang claimed he wouldn't reinstate trump before setting up a moderation council. achieves -- he chose to forgo that counsel, leaving trump's status up to the will of the people. the will of the people, using this on scientific twitter poll, which recommended trump be let back on to the site. 51 to 48. an exercise that becomes all the more unscientific and ridiculous when you remember that almost one in four of musk's own twitter followers are expected to be bots, spam,

or fake accounts. look, it's been three months since the fbi found those top secret and classified documents lying around in trump's florida resort home. it's been 22 months since trump used twitter to help incite an armed attack on our nation's democracy. yeah, now, the very same teflon don who is still not been indicted for any crime is running for president again and has his twitter platform back again. to those who say, just ignore him, no need to pay intention to donald trump anymore, i say, are you out of your mind? talk -- let's discuss this and more with former specialization for the counterintelligence division of the fbi. she's -- yell jackson school of global affairs. also with us, jill wine-banks, msnbc legal analyst, former -- special prosecutor, co-host of the sisters in all podcast. thank you for coming back on the show. asha, before we get into the special counsel stuff, just

briefly, what's your immediate response to the possibility trump could be returning to twitter very soon? >> oh, i mean, i think it's ridiculous. i have blocked him for a long time. so it doesn't actually impact my twitter experience. but, given the fact that he essentially mobilized his followers to a large degree leading up to and on january 6th, using that platform as a vehicle, it's incredibly disappointing. >> okay. so let's talk special counsel, asha. make the case for the appointment of a special counsel. why shouldn't people like maybe holding their heads in their hands right now? >> i think there's a number of reasons why this was the right move and frankly, i've been suggesting that garland should've appointed the special counsel right after he was confirmed.

but in addition to creating a buffer, which you mentioned, between garland himself, is a political appointee, and would effectively be investigating the political rival of his boss, will also be running for office, i think the special counsel adds a layer of transparency and accountability that you don't have a normal investigation. that's because the attorney general does not supervised the day-to-day operations of the special counsel, but does have to approve or deny major prosecutorial steps. to the extent that they have disagreement, those reasons for him -- in the special counsel wants to indict trump, and garland says, i don't think he's shed, he would have to report that to the house and senate judiciary committees along with his race. there's this vehicle for sunlight, and i think that's important in terms of documenting the reasons why things are done or not done in

this investigation. we wouldn't get that in the regular department of justice investigation. >> and those are all good arguments. i guess my issue is that the people he'd want to appeal to with the buffer don't recognize it as a buffer and never will. jill, on friday, you are opposed to this decision. have you since changed your mind? tell me why you had some hesitation and are now convinced this isn't a bad decision. >> i still don't think it's a necessary step. i still think the department of justice could have been should've continued, and that it's sort of insulting to the prosecutors at the department of justice who do you, in fact, act based on the law, and the facts, not on -- partisan considerations. but here's some of the reasons why a change when mind. one, i started thinking about my own experience in having my chief prosecutor fired, and replaced. we lost no time because we stayed on.

if he had to fire everyone who is working on the case, i'd still be opposing it. but we lost no time. we came in and brought him up to speed, and we continued without losing a beat. so they won't be lost time by bringing him on. secondly, he seems to be about as good a person as you could have to put in charge of this investigation. his experiences stellar. he's prosecuted former president. he has the experience that it takes. he doesn't have the diversions the attorney general has of running a whole department, including the fbi. he can focus only on this. and my final reason was, he, should biden leads the election in 2024, doesn't going away. and the same way germ doesn't go away. you will outlast the president, because he can only be fired for cause. that means that if, in the

horrible bull event, donald trump or someone like donald trump becomes president 2024, we will still have this case going. i think there will have been indictments before that, but -- >> we'll, let's talk about indictments and timings. asha, this week, trump's former attorney general, bill barr, was asked about the department of justice's probe into the documents mar-a-lago. is what he had to say about the case. >> i personally think they probably have the basis for legitimately indicting the president. i don't know, i'm speculating. but given what's going on, the probably of the influence that we check the box. they have the case. >> asha, if even trump's old ag is saying his old boss is committing crimes, isn't this open in chat? why is this process taking so long? a lot of americans want to know. >> well, investigations take a

long time, mehdi, but i do think especially with the mar-a-lago case, which is more straightforward in terms of trump's liability the january 6th, not that he can't be held criminally liable for january six, but there is just more elements of moving parts to that. morbut, i think that here, you know, it's telling that he appointed the special counsel, and reportedly one that's more aggressive than garland as. if you haven't been really impressed with garlands speed or his, you know, then he's gonna really take this on, i would think you'd be really happy that he's passed this on to a fairly -- i heard this prosecutor described a scrappy. the other thing i'll say to add to the list that joe mentioned as, you know, there are troubling reports coming out about the fbi elements and the fbi. people who might be sympathetic to january 6th. there've been senior level officials who have been resisting moving far-right.

the special counsel is allowed to pick his own team, and can really handpick the prosecutors and investigators to work on this. and also, we'll get a budget that can't be tampered with at least for the coming year. >> just, one last question. isn't the reality that trump was not a former president, he would've been indicted already for a host of crimes? and when garland claims that this move is to prevent the appearance of partisanship, i mean, naming a special counsel and response to trump announcing he's running for president, many would argue is a political act in and of itself. >> and i would agree with that. first of all, i've always believed that even a sitting president can be indicted and investigated. >> you hear. >> during watertight gate, i urged the special prosecutor than to go ahead with that. , then when nixon resigned, i went back and said, now, you said we couldn't do it for a sitting president. he's an ordinary citizen. he must be indicted.

let's time it took to persuade leon -- pardon him, and we were unable to proceed with law. and it needs to be done now. the special counsel will not satisfy any republicans. they will go on believing that this is partisan. it is not. they're calling it a witch hunt again. it is not. we need to proceed. >> they called robert -- along a lifelong conservative a democrat, blah blah. we'll have to leave it there. thank you for your in-house. appreciate it. shifting gears now, we're continuing to follow the breaking news out of colorado springs. police say a gunman walked into an lgbtq club overnight carrying a semiautomatic rifle and opened fire immediately, killing at least five people, injuring 25 others. two people are credited with fighting, tackling the 22-year-old suspect, until officers were able to apprehend. msnbc correspondent steve

pattinson is in colorado springs. steve, although club q, where this mass shooting occurred, is calling this a hate crime, police say they're still investigating the motive? >> yeah. i think it's important to say there's still quite a few processes to go through, especially when it comes to not only processing the scene, interviewing witnesses, a lot of that work has been done. but, now this investigation truly shifts to focusing on the suspected shooter. who was? how did you get the gun? whether tensions, including the possibility of adding on a hate crime? which is a much different stretch. there's a lot of work to be done, and i think in that time, police -- with federal investigators, will dig into the background. we should answers as we've been getting pretty solidly every day in that time. we have to mention that people are hurting, and they're hurting bad. we've been speaking to this community, not only lgbtq members of the community, but

everyone who's lived here, and has experienced all the mass shootings that colorado alone has experienced, let alone colorado springs. it has quite a unique history. but also, the people who are at this club, new people in this club, victims, themselves, so much pain. we spoke to members of the community here about how they feel. is what they told me. >> i hope that people don't use this as an agenda against the queer community, and spread more misinformation that doesn't already pre exist online. no matter how safe you think a place might be, there's always gonna be people that just to hate that i exist for no real reason other than just personal beliefs, or misinformation that they've consumed on the media. so. it's always personal when it comes to stuff like this. >> many, just to give you a sense of how the community is

doing, there's really just to gay clubs in this community. that's the one behind me, and there's another one called icons. we spoke to the owners of that club. when they heard the news, the night of the shooting, they locked the front door, they rushed everybody at the back, and they've been closed down ever since. the anxiety here is palpable. people, though, want their stories to be told. they don't want this to be a moment that's forgotten. and that's the only way, they say, that can heal. fog mehdi. >> msnbc correspondent steve patterson, thank you for your reporting. appreciate it. coming up, the new democratic push to change the presidential primary -- before 2024. julián castro is here to discuss. don't go away. don't go away. washable rugs up to 80% off. and living room seating up to 65% off. search, shop, and save at wayfair! ♪ wayfair you've got just what i need ♪ (vo) with verizon, you can now get a private 5g network.

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now, more democrats than ever are pushing for a new state to go first in the 2024 presidential primaries. this week, nevada democrats tried to leverage the parties midterm winds to move their states primary forward. the democratic congressional duck allegations and the -- urging members to elevate their state to the top spot. meanwhile, congresswoman debbie dingell is advocating for her home state of michigan to be first in line, writing a new letter, quote, michigan is one of the best places to pick a president. the most diverse battleground state, and a microcosm of america. no, she might be on to something. according to -- less than 7% of the states population is hispanic, only 4.3% is black, and just 2.8% -ization. that's far more homogenous than michigan, nevada, and let's be honest, most of the rest of the country. look. iowa is not where democrats could be placing the first best for a party nominee. it makes no sense. in this midterm election alone,

democrats lost the races for governor, attorney general, secretary of state, a senate seat, and all four house seats. so in the beam mc meets in the couple weeks to discuss the presidential primary schedule, i say to them, move on from the court dogs and the debates on ethanol. let's move on from iowa. please. joining me now is julián castro. is served as obama's secretary of housing and urban development. he's the former mayor of san antonio texas and ran for the democratic presidential nomination in 2020. thanks for being here. i want to play you a clip of you back when you are running for president in the 2020 election. have a listen. >> i actually believe that we do need to change the order of the states. because i don't believe that with the same country where in 1972. that's when iowa first held its caucus first.

>> that was a bold thing to say prior to campaigning there. do you still hold that view? is it time for iowa to step aside? >> of course i do. i didn't think, mehdi, when i said that in the 2020 campaign, that that would be the most controversial thing i could say in iowa iowans. but it was. and i still believe that we should take a different direction. of course, the rules committee of the dmz is gonna have that opportunity and december 6th, and here's why, as i said back then, basically iowa and new hampshire have had their positions -- early 1970s. we changed a lot since that time, as a country, as a party. we've become more diverse. one of the things -- we are a -- coalition should be respected and reflected by the presidential primary.

not only does that mean not making iowa first, but it also means, i think, not making new hampshire first, which is -- you showed new hampshire is demographics. it's even less nonwhite than iowa. so it's a slap in the face to that coalition to keep those two states in their position, even though the people in those states are wonderful. i think it's time to move on. >> so, you mentioned the dmz meeting on december 1st. do you think they'll move on? and what state would you like to start with? >> i think they will move on. for quite awhile, now, we've seen it coming that iowa is not gonna be in that first position. the question at this point is whether new hampshire is gonna be able to hold on and move into the first position from its current second position. i've not expressed a favorite. i think there are other states that should be looked at, certainly nevada, they say, very strong case. it has a good urban role mix. very diverse state, strong

union state. also has embraced things like universal but by mail, which is in keeping with the values of the democratic party that makes voting convenient for people. i think places like michigan, perhaps other states. but it's not iowa, it's not new hampshire. it would be a slap in the face for the dmz to keep either iowa or new hampshire as their first state. let me give you one stat, mehdi. 1.9%. that's the black population of new hampshire. how do you start your presidential primary calendar in a state that has a 1.9% black population, and that such a vital an important part of the democratic party's success? it doesn't make any sense. >> so, a bit of a pivot. let's talk about president biden celebrating his 80th birthday. you came across as critical or questioning of joe biden's age. maybe even his mental competence, when you are running against him in the 2020

race, when you are in a debate state with him. if he wins again, he'll be 86 by the end of his second term. do you think you should run again in 2024? >> look, president biden has had a good, strong first term. and especially before the midterms, with a string of successes that should be applauded. i think that's part of why democrats did better than expected in the midterms. and so, in many ways, he's been a good strong president. at the same time, if you're asking me do i believe he's gonna run again for a second term, i don't. i think he said himself that he views himself as a bridge to a new generation of leadership. i was telling a few days ago and speaker nancy pelosi explicitly in her speech -- and she's been amazing. she's been an incredible, iconic speaker, said i'm stepping aside. i'm stepping down. and i look forward to the leadership of a new generation of democrats that i have

confidence in. i bet that's how president biden feels as well. and it'll be fascinating to see at the beginning of the year what decision he makes. >> one last question. 30 seconds left. i have to ask you about the mass shooting in colorado, the lgbtq club. it left five dead. what's your reaction? >> this is another horrific mass shooting. we need to find the wheel in this country to stamp out this kind of hate, to catch it before it turns into this kind of violence, and also, to finally do something meaningful and more substantive and common sense gun reform in this country. how many of these are weak and i go a fair? el paso, uvalde, the pulse nightclub shooting, so many others, and now, today, colorado springs, before we do something? we need to do something. >> it's a good question. sadly, i fear we know the answer. julián castro, thank you. appreciate your time. >> thank you.

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assault on american democracy isn't just about overturning the results of elections they've lost, but also using whatever power they do have at the state and federal levels to remove democratic winners from office. case in point, pennsylvania house republicans move this week to impeach philadelphia district attorney larry krasner, the man who overwhelmingly won his reelection bid just last year. apparently, that doesn't matter to keystone state republicans. they feel that as long as they can point to a slight uptick in violent crime and demonize a progressive proxy cuter in the process, they can overrule the will of the voters and asked a democratic da from office. joining me now is that democratic the air, philadelphia district attorney, larry krasner. thanks for coming back on the show. i don't the, i want to acknowledge that fortunately, this impeachment move by republicans is little more than

an attempt to -- they don't have the votes to secure a conviction, do they? >> and the senate, which is where such a trial would occur, we think the answer is no. but, you know, why are we here? why are we doing this? it's the first time in the history of the commonwealth that anyone tried to impeach an elected official for their ideas. there's no suggestion or allegation of corruption or crime, and that's what impeachment is for. >> i just want to emphasize again for our viewers, you won reelection last year by a wide margin. that seems to be of no concern to the pennsylvania republican party? >> it is of no concern to maga. megan, as you know, is at war with democracy. there are republicans of goodwill. always have been. more among the voters than the elected's right now, because of the dominance of maga. in fact, even though the vote was entirely on party lines, there wasn't a single republican who sided with us,

that there should not be an impeachment. impeachment is not to go after people's ideas. it's a very dangerous precedent. and frankly, republicans may want to be careful what they wish for. right now, the democratic party in -- if they normalize the idea that an election is never over, and that people who -- duly elected official from that location, that is just a two edged sword that none of us should have. >> just remind our viewers, what are they accusing knew of? >> i mean, fundamentally, but they're accusing me of is that they don't like my policies. that's pretty much it. and then some sort of vague hand waving about, maybe it caused crime, with no proof whatsoever. there's a few specific cases that they're pointing at and they don't like something that happened there. i would point out significantly don to those cases involve prosecutions of police officers. a brilliant woman in philly -- said more than once that the

issue they have is not the case is that the da's office and philly won't prosecute, it's the ones we will prosecute. that is unquestionably a large part of what's happening here. >> you mentioned the rise from crime that they want to blame on you, the crimes that take place that they won a blame on your policies. it's no secret the gop nationally tried to make a crime huge issue in the midterms. what i find curious is how it appeared to have some civilians in some parts of the country but not others. i think it's clear the message was affective in new york, but it's john fetterman and josh appear as winston's pennsylvania show, it doesn't seem to have had the same impact on your comment off. why do you think that is? >> it's hard to say. fetterman is the one who is actually identified with a certain level of criminal justice reform activity, and rightly so. and it didn't work. fetterman is one of the most important winds of the entire election cycle, and despite the challenges he faced, it didn't work to use the usual fear based willie horton type of

campaign. i think the truth is that voters are smarter than they were in 1968. they don't actually want to go backwards to exactly the same policies that have caused our criminal justice system to be so broken. they want public safety as we all do, and it's ways to do it. there's modern ways. scientific ways. that a compassionate and humane. they involve investment in public schools, and things like that. >> on that note, very quickly, last question, going forward, i'm sure democrats in your view meet the charge of being soft on crime? republicans have been attacking liberals with that claim for decades. but nationally, they haven't developed a strong consistent counter message. >> they don't know their facts. it's a fact that the red states have a 40% higher rate of homicide. republicans are terrible at crime. they always have been. democrats need to answer it directly. because we have all the

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the gop made palin a superstar, and a leading voice in the increasingly dominant far-right tea party movement, where she was given a platform to spew nonsense like this. >> more background checks. -- mister president, should've started with yours. >> flash forward to 2012, obama defeats mitt romney and gets a second term despite four years of insanely racist attacks on him from the gop, including be asked about his birth certificate. the last -- lost was so humiliating for the republican party, -- reaching out to minority voters, saying, quote, if we want ethnic minority voters to support republicans, we have to engage them, and show our sincerity. guess what happened? republican primary voters didn't read the report, as they pick donald trump, the man who launched his presidential campaign calling mexicans rapists, as their candidate for

2016. he lost the popular vote. cut the 2020, trump loses both the popular vote and the electoral college vote, and embarks on a two month-long campaign to overturn the election. culminating in the january 6th insurrection. surely, this would cause the gop to learn a lesson and reject trumpism, right? of course not. flash forward to this november, and republicans, after putting up a bunch of extremist candidates, failed to take the senate, barely when the house, and lose a bunch of crucial governors races. republicans plea what was supposed to be a red wave election because they were too extreme. so it was the first order of business for republican senators after those midterms? why, vote against codifying same-sex an interracial marriage, of course! i'm not an extreme of them. and when it comes to the house, by the way, where republicans only got a razor-thin majority, here's who possible speaker kevin mccarthy will be taking his marching orders.

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you can now find the show on the msnbc hub on peacock, a new episodes of the mehdi hasan on peacock. we post every evening, monday through thursday. time to handed over to my good friend, a man. amen, before i go, former president president, mike pence, is continuing at his non apology self rehabilitation

media tour. >> is he fit to serve as president of the united states for another four years? >> well, i really do believe that's a decision for the american people. >> now! it's a decision for you, mike! and it's not just pence. i'm sure you saw bill barr said this week that he wouldn't rule out voting for trump again in 2024, even as he admitted that the gop has the basis for indicting his former boss. -- enabled him for years, then distance themselves from trump in order to sell a book, but still won't rule out supporting him again in two years time. i'm fed up of it. the cowardice, and the cynicism. >> look, mehdi, when asleep, it's not just people trying to rehab their image that are displaying this cowardice. look at paul ryan. take a listen to what he had to say, and he's out there trying to sell a book. listen to what he said this morning about why he will not

support a third trump presidential run. >> i've never again trumper. why? because i want to win. and we lose with trump. >> he wants to win, and they can't win with trump. not that trump is bad a person who caged children and separated families are banned muslims from the country or fan the flames of racism and antisemitism. i can go on and on. no, that's not it. it's not policies that paul ryan has a problem with. it's the name trump. it's all about power for republicans, not principle. >> one thing i always remember about -- wikipedia page on spinelessness -- prompts to that person. >> mandy, great show, my friend. i'm sure you'll be up tomorrow to catch the world cup, right? >> oh yes. england playing around? come on. >> are they gonna bring it home? >> inshallah, as some of us nights like to say.

>> good to see, my friend. enjoy the rest of your evening. coming up next on ayman, the breaking news out of colorado springs. what we know at this hour about that mass shooting at an lgbtq nightclub. plus, the ohio democrat who defeated a 13 term incumbent republican. i'm gonna speak with great glenn smith about the biden agenda and his plans in the house of representative. -- >> another supreme court week. -- unraveling before our very eyes. i'm ayman, let's get started. ♪ ♪ ♪ tonight, we start with the breaking news out of colorado. a gunman entered a colorado springs algae dq nightclub late last night and immediately opened fire, killing at least five people and injuring 25 others. police chief of june vázquez says to patrons