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this is not an easy day. this is a lot to wake up to as a transgender person living in colorado springs. this is a hard city to live in already, so waking up to something so in your face is just a reminder of the hate that we live with in this city every day and the love that we need to fight it with. can't fight hate with hate, so we try to bring a little bit of love here today. >> a safe haven for the lgbtq community in colorado springs shattered after a deadly nightclub attack. we'll have the latest on the shooting and what we know about the suspect's past. we're following a murder

mystery in idaho where it's been more than a week since four college students were killed. police have still not made an arrest. we'll get the latest reporting there. plus, what we know about the prosecutor with decades of experience in corruption cases who now will oversee the two ongoing federal investigations into donald trump. we'll be joined by former acting solicitor general amill. welcome to the fourth hour of "morning joe." it is monday, november 21st, just after 9:00 here on the east coast, 6:00 a.m. out west. jonathan lemire, mike barnicle still with us. we do begin with that deadly mass shooting at an lgbtq nightclub in colorado springs. five people were killed, 25 wounded in the saturday night attack, which came to an end thanks to a number of heroes who stepped up to take the gunman down. nbc news correspondent morgan which he is key has details.

>> all units respond. >> reporter: in just seconds a celebration quickly turned to chaos as shots rang out inside this colorado springs nightclub. on saturday, just before midnight, police say 22-year-old anderson lee aldrich entered the packed lgbtq hotspot club q carrying a long rifle. >> we believe the gunman as soon as he walked in had the weapon readily available and began opening fire immediately. >> reporter: shooting dozens of rounds into this crowd. senator. >> correct. >> it was rapid-fire, da, da, da, da, and it was definitely a rifle. >> reporter: police also found a handgun at the scene and say the shooter had other types of equipment and was carrying additional rounds. the shooter's rampage ended by an incredible act of bravery. the colorado springs mayor says that as the government fired into the crowd two people ran toward the danger, hitting him with his own gun before tackling him to the ground.

on club q's facebook page the owners thanking the quick reactions of heroic customers that subdued the gunman and ended his hate attack. >> i don't know who stopped him but i am grateful because they certainly save mid-life. >> reporter: investigators are treating it as a potential hate crime. the nightclub is popular with the community. joshua thurman was inside celebrating his birthday with friends when he first heard gunshots. he and a few others barricaded themselves inside a back room. when you crawled out of that dressing room, josh what, what did you see? >> i saw bodies and blood. >> reporter: as investigators comb through security camera videos and interviews with witnesses, the community struggling to grasp how their safe space turned into a tragic crime scene. these weren't just people at a club. these -- >> my friends.

now they're gone. >> morgan which he is key reporting there. joining us with more is crystala thompson. >> reporter: so many questions on the ground here. this memorial has continued to grow over the past 24 hours as people come to pay their respects but also struggling to make sense of why this happened. we know that the shooter is in custody but has not spoken to police, and so police are here. they are continuing to comb this crime scene. they are obtaining search warrants to search the shooter's home, look at social media accounts to try to understand whether or not this was a hate crime targeting the lgbtq-plus community. at the same time, people are remembering and thinking of the people inside the club on that night, the five people who died,

the 25 people who were injured, and of course those two people who are being hailed heroes for helping to subdue the gunman as police were able to rush in and arrest him so that paramedics could get in and take care of those victims. i want to play some of what the mayor had to say about how this impacted the community and also those two people being hailed heroes. take a listen. >> colorado springs is once again in mourning after the tragic shooting at club q last night. our hearts go out to the victims and their families for bearing the weight of this horrific tragedy. we know one or more patrons heroically intervened to subdue the suspect, and we praise those individual who is did so, because their actions clearly saved lives. we are a strong community that

has shown resilience in the face of hate and violence in the past, and we will do so again. >> reporter: police are expected to brief this afternoon where we hope to learn more about the victims but also more about the shooter. when his name was released, we found that there was another arrest that took place a year ago, someone with the same name and the same birth date, but were unable to get additional information angt that case. but we know that it was a bomb threat that occurred a year ago, willie. and so working to learn more about what happened there. officials here have not been able to say whether that is the same suspect who called in that bomb threat a year ago as who committed this shooting here this weekend. but we heard from the mayor earlier saying that we may see court filings today that would allow them to unseal some of that information so that officials here are able to speak a little more freely about any potential criminal history this

suspect may have had. willie? >> we spoke earlier on "morning joe" to the district attorney where you are. he was not willing to go so far as to say this was a hate crime but looking into that strong possibility. priscilla thompson, thanks so much. it has been more than a week since four idaho students were found murdered and so far police have not made an arrest in the case. we're learning new details this morning from authorities. gadi schwartz has the latest. >> reporter: as the investigation enters its second week, police say it's possible some of the victims were asleep during the attack. >> some of the victims had defensive wounds, and each victim was stabbed multiple times. >> reporter: authorities also revealing the 911 call that alerted them to the slayings was made from the cell phone of one of the surviving roommate who is police say are not suspects. investigators saying the roommates called friends over because they thought one of the victims had passed out, and

multiple people talked with police dispatchers. police publicly ruling out several people who came into contact with two of the victims the night they were killed including a man seen near them outside a food truck and a ride share driver who took them home. police are asking for the public's help issuing a one-square-mile dragnet asking for any video from 3:00 a.m. to 6:00 a.m. they are trying to establish how the killer made it into this house and out of the house. kaylee goncalves' family says seven phone calls were made to her boyfriend but they were not out of the norm. >> this person was asleep and not getting the calls. kaylee was in imminent danger, maddy, if they were, they would be calling 911, not this person. >> investigators are aware that multiple phone calls from madison and kaylee's phone were made to a male subject. >> reporter: police think the attack was targeted. their families are afraid for

others. >> we're afraid this person could do this again. >> reporter: appealing to her daughter's killer. >> the guilt has to be overwhelming, sickening. stop hiding. stop running. just turn yourself in. >> unimaginable pain for those families. gadi schwartz reporting there. turning to politics now, more high-profile republicans saying it is time for the party to move on from former president donald trump. this comes as trump finds himself at the center of a new special counsel investigation. nbc news senior capitol hill correspondent garrett haake has those governments. >> reporter: former president donald trump the only declared candidate for 2004 so far in a spotlight at a republican jewish conference this weekend. >> the republican party is a much bigger, powerful party than it was before i got there. >> reporter: but several challengers are making clear they're not going to take mr. trump take the nomination

without a fight. >> we've accomplished more over a four-year period than anybody thought possible. but i can tell you this -- we've got a lot more to do, and i have only begun to fight. >> reporter: and while florida governor ron desantis did not take on mr. trump directly, other possible candidates did, arguing that his lies about the 2020 election and support for candidates who would repeat them led to disappointing republican results in the midterms. >> we keep losing and losing and losing. and the fact of the matter is the reason we're losing is because donald trump has put himself before everybody else. >> we have to find people who are putting themselves forward who have character, commitment, and real confidence. personality and celebrity just aren't going to get it done. >> reporter: nikki haley, trump's former ambassador, also teasing a run against her former boss. >> when people underestimate me, it's always fun. but i've never lost an election

and i'm not going to start now. >> reporter: mr. trump received one potential boost this weekend, the reinstatement of his twitter account, suspended amid concerns of how it might be used after january 6th. twitter's new ceo, loan musk, welcomed him back after a poll. earlier, trump indicating he would not leave his own social network for tritter. >> i don't see it because i don't see any reason for it. >> garrett haake reporting there. joining us now, former acting solicitor general, an msnbc legal analyst who insisted in writing the special counsel regulations when he was a staffer at the department of justice. you are a perfect person for this conversation right now given your history and your expertise. let's talk about what it means to appoint a special counsel first. attorney general garland said he did it because he needs to remove himself to some extent from the investigations because he was appointed by joe biden who may end up running against donald trump after he announced his 2024 campaign this week. so, what does that mean just as

a sort of a practical question going forward? >> yeah. so a special counsel is exactly what robber mueller was appointed under before. these regulations arose at the end of the clinton administration. there was the independent counsel act which created the power for ken starr to investigate clinton and others for iran-contra. there was a bipartisan view that create today independent of a prosecutor, so that law was allowed to lapse and instead the justice department wrote a set of guidelines that basically said we want someone who can be pointed who has day-to-day independence from the attorney general but not someone who is unaccountable at the end to the attorney general. that is the special counsel is to run the significant steps he or he wants to take by the attorney general, the attorney general can reverse, rebuke the special counsel and the like. so it's a somewhat independent

prosecutor. really what we had in mind was the fear of a government cover-up because attorneys general are appointed by the president, so if, for example, an a.g. found evidence that a president was engaged in wrongdoing, he might just look the other way and not investigate. so the special counsel was designed to try and say, no, that investigation has to proceed and through this mechanism. >> neal, obviously in recent years, the special counsel most americans are familiar with is robert mueller. this is going to be a pretty different process. could you walk us through the similarities and differences between the mueller probe and his role as special counsel, what we're going to see now? >> yeah. so, mueller and this new person, jack smith, are appointed under the exact same authority but in somewhat different factual circumstances. with mueller, the facts haven't been uncovered yet by the justice department. mueller had to hire a whole team to do all of that. here by contrast,

particularly -- well, there's two parts of jack smith's investigation, one is mar-a-lago, the other january 6th. with respect to mar-a-lago, it sure seems like the department's very far along in their investigation, going so far as to execute search warrants at mar-a-lago itself. so, you know, one of the concerns you always have with a special counsel is how much delay is there going to be when you have to bring a whole new person up to speed. here at least with respect to mar-a-lago there's probably a bundle of materials that the special counsel can just read and borrow the existing apparatus of the justice department including their investigators, line prosecutors and the like so you don't have to start from scratch. with january 6th, it may be a different thing. we don't really have much window into how much the justice department has investigated with respect to high-level wrongdoing, where they certainly brought over 800 prosecutions against low-level folk who is attacked the capitol and the like.

but jack smith's mandate expressly says that's not what he's to focus on. he's only to focus on the higher-ups. so it does seem like investigation there is going to have to be done, probably staff hired an the like. so they are factually very different. i would say, you know, i know that there are a lot of people including a lot of our viewers who are really upset with how the mueller investigation turned out in the end. there were certainly a lot of successful indictments that were brought but not against, you know, some of the higher-up, including donald trump. the fact that that didn't happen in mueller doesn't to me say anything about what would happen here. these are very separate animals, and mar-a-lago is in my mind an open and shut investigation. you know, there's no doubt in my mind that if i did this or you did this we'd be in jail right now. we certainly wouldn't get a special master or prosecutor or the like. it would be a very easy case. it's not that different. it's just the identity of the

person, donald trump, that makes it different. but at the end of the day, i expect that donald trump will be indicted by this special counsel, and this move the appoint a special counsel, we can debate its pros and cons, i think it's going to take a little more time than it would have otherwise, but ultimately i think we'll get to the same results when it comes to mar-a-lago. >> so, neal, the mar-a-lago stuff, the national security aspect of it, you think right now, am i correct, do you think he should have already been indicted with what we found and what we know about what happened at mar-a-lago with the national security aspect? >> 100%. this isn't like him just taking a love letter or something like that from some foreign leader with no -- you know, with no national security implications, though it looks like he did take that too. but we're talking about some of the most serious, sensitive material that the united states government has, and there is no doubt in my mind every day of every week anyone who did that would be prosecuted.

you need the prosecution for two reasons, one to deter future people in the government from taking stuff home and showing it to other people and things like that, so you need to reassure our domestic intelligence community and deter others, but the other is we have spies in the field who are worried right now that trump brought this stuff home and lord know who is got to see it and the like, and some of these people, you know, work for foreign governments and things like that, and, you know, i think everyone needs reassurance that the government will protect the identities of these people and do everything possible to uncover what happened and to deter and prosecute anyone, whether it's a president or anyone else, who takes this material home. when you go into the government in a high-ranking position as i did twice, you get these warnings all the time. it is more serious than church. i mean, i can't tell you the gravity of the warnings, and to

just blow them off as the president did is not just despicable but it is dangerous to our national security, and for that reason from the start once the stories came out, i had no doubt that donald trump would be indicted for this. there's no way to look the other way. >> as you say, people have gone to jail for much, much, much less than this. even bill barr over the weekend conceding the doj has what it needs to indict donald trump. former acting solicitor general neal katyal, thanks for walking us through it. we appreciate it. in ukraine this morning manager are still without power after last week's russian missile strikes, and ukrainians are bracing for a winter without heat or electricity in some places. nbc news foreign correspondent molly hunter has the latest from kyiv. >> reporter: the international atomic energy agency planning to conduct an assessment on the zaporizhzhia power plant after a

week of intense shelling. in a statement, they call it extremely disturbing but no radiation or loss of power has been detected. this morning u.s. secretary of defense lloyd austin saying ukraine will have the upper hand going into winter. >> i think they will be in much better condition than their adversaries because of the things that we've provided. >> reporter: in the newly liberated city of kherson, signs of life returning, the first grocery store reopening. but across the country as temperatures plunge below zero, 10 million households without power. the capital in rolling blackouts. we met nastia and two of her kids playing at the park. >> it's a problem when there is at the same time air attacking and blackout. it's not okay to sit in complete darkness. >> reporter: and for dr. anna, no electricity, no heating is a small price to pay.

would you leave the country if that becomes more frequent? >> even if we were sitting without light and without water, i love winter, but now i don't like it because i know in the same time soldiers eating cold food and sleeping in cold place and i hate winter for now because it's very bad for our soldiers. >> nbc's molly hunter reporting from kyiv where, as you can see, winter temperatures have arrived in the middle of a war. still ahead here, buffalo, new york, is digging out from under 6 feet of snow this morning. we'll have the latest on that historic storm. plus, disney shares are up after the company reinstates longtime ceo bob iger. andrew ross sorkin joins us with the story behind eiger's surprising return. i'd like to thank our sponsor liberty mutual. they customize your car insurance, surprising return. surprising return. d. contestants ready? go! only pay for what you need. jingle: liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty.

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beginning to dig out after a historic storm that dropped more than 6 feet of snow on the region. new york governor kathy hochul activated the national guard to help in the massive cleanup. nbc news correspondent jesse kirsch is there with the latest. >> reporter: this morning in buffalo a very big dig is under way after almost 7 feet of snow buried parts of western new york. force regular pooted rounds of shoveling just to keep up. how are you feeling right now? >> tired. tired. >> reporter: officials warning about overexertion saying two people died in new york following cardiac events tied to snow removal. a third person killed in indiana after his snowplow rolled over. the heavy lake-effect snow falling over more than 48 hours, at times causing near zero visibility, bringing travel to a swerving halt, some people leaving stuck vehicles behind. christopher slept in his car and

got frostbite. >> i woke up to a firefighter carrying me out of the car. >> up good neighbors. >> reporter: thanks to neighbors digging them out, the buffalo bills caught their flight for sunday's game that was moved to detroit. we stopped by the bills snowed-in stadium. snow practically up to my waist, not ideal for tailgating. and thanksgiving plans. you're supposed to drive 15 minutes for question. that's in question right now. >> right. depending on if the roads open up, if they get their home opened up. >> they got 80 inches in orchard park, home of the buffalo bills. 8-0. jesse kirsch reporting for us from western new york. there is a shake-up this morning at the walt disney company. bob iger has been welcomed back as ceo effective immediately 11 months after leaving the company. his successor has stepped down. let's bring in the co-anchor of cnbc's "squawk box" andrew ross

sorkin. a tumultuous seven months for the new ceo. bob iger come bag b in to right the ship a little bit here. what happened here? >> this is one of the most remarkable hollywood tales. it may turn out to be a movie when all is done, willie. the pandemic happened and bob iger tried to come back a little bit. you could start to see the friction there between the two bobs as they're called in hollywood. and over a period of time now, bob chapek has come under an enormous amount of pressure, and the stock also coming under pressure. you'll recall, and we talked about it a lot on this broadcast, the fight that happened in the state of florida between chapek and desantis over the so-called don't-say-gay bill. that was something that created

a lot of friction on the board with disney. and yet the board backing bob chapek just several months ago, signing him up to another three-year deal. in fact, they'll likely have to pay out something on the order of $250 million for bob chapek to leave. bob chapek was scheduled this weekend to be at dodger stadium to introduce elton john, who is doing a live stream concert for disney plus, and all of a sudden chapek wasn't there. all the disney executives were looking around going where's chapek? what's happening? now we know. he no longer has the job. bob iger is returning. now of course the question is what does bob iger do with this company and can he return almost in a steve jobs fashion to bring this company back to its former heights. but there are huge challenges in the entertainment landscape as we know and have talked about so much on this show here. >> yeah. it's not limited to disney. how about $250 million for 11 months of work? not bad if you can get it.

andrew, let me ask you about twitter. since elon musk bought twitter, obviously there's been chaos around it, layoffs announced, people announcing they're leaving and coming back and everything that's come with it. and then just a couple days ago elon musk announcing based on an online twitter poll that he's welcoming donald trump back to twitter. so put it all together. what's going on at that company? >> chaos, on the outside it looks like a lot of chaos, on the inside i think it feels like a lot of chaos. to some degree, and it's unpopular to say, but it's chaos by design, in other words, this is what elon musk wants. whether the public wants it or not is an open question. he will say they do based on the number of people using twitter, the activity levels, the numbers he's shown so far and talked about suggests it's an all-time high, the usage, but a lot of people concerned about trump's

return, a lot of people concerned about how elon musk has tweeted about trump's return, the poll, whether the poll is based on bots, he himself has complained about bots. i think there's lots of questions here and i think we all sort of look around going what's going to happen next, but to some degree i think that's exactly what musk wants. >> sure looks like it. andrew ross sorkin. andrew, thanes so much. >> thanks. author and msnbc political analyst our friend anand giridharadas. his latest piece for "the new york times" is titled "this week billionaires made a strong case for abolishing themselves." you write in part, "elon musk is running twitter into the ground with much of the company's staff fired or quitting, outages spiking and everyone on my time line hurrying to. tell the app the things they have been meaning to say before

it departs. jeff bezos made a big splash when cnn released an interview in which he announced he was giving the great bulk of his $120 billion fortune away, just after his announcement, amazon announcing there would be massive layoffs. then sam bankman-fried, the disgraced crypto kingpin, caused $32 million to disappear. much of it belonged to hundreds of thousands of regular people. finally, of course, this week there was donald trump. on tuesday night he addressed a crowded room at mar-a-lago and, as expected, announced that he was going to run for president again." so aanand, i'll let you flesh ot the case a little bit here nam's the top line. we can start we lon musk and what he's doing at twitter. it appears to be aimed at him but letting trump back in the room, kanye posting yesterday as

well. what does it all add up to? >> first of all, i think something we often forget as americans is that billionaires exist as a class of people who have that much money at our collective pleasure. it is a policy choice to allow some people to accumulate that much money, hundreds of billions of dollars in the case of people in the united states before everybody has a chance to live with dignity. other countries make that choice very differently. we have chosen historically to heavily prioritize having billionaires over having dignity for all people. that's a choice we could make differently in the future. i wrote the piece to remind people of that choice. last week was remarkable. i've written about billionaires for years, but it was hard to imagine a week when there were so many spectacular reminders of the way in which this kind of billionaire class is

inconsistent with democracy as we live it. elon musk is, you know, a sort of adolescent in his 50s. everybody can see that. i don't think anybody would say he's a normal 51-year-old man. he has bought this platform that he himself calls the global town square, certainly functions as that kind of social importance. and because of what is so evidently his own feeble limitations, he's just not -- he's a limited man. his limitations become all of our problem. they come into our lives. they start to unleash anti-semitism because he wants kanye back on the platform. kanye announces shalom when he comes back after his big anti-semitism benders in recent years. he brings back donald trump, who's kind of unleashed the white nationalist demons in this country on that platform and off in ways that are obviously -- cause us to come to the brink of losing our democracy.

elon musk's big idea is let's bring him back. he's gutted the company. photos from him at the company at a so-called code meeting showed there's basically no women working left around him. it's big sausage fest in the team he has remaining around him. and then, you know, the rest of the week was jeff bezos doing this big song and dance about philanthropy and an hour later his company lays off thousands of people right before thanksgiving, going home having to tell their kids, mommy or daddy doesn't have a job anymore because this man is apparently giving money away to help people like us i guess who don't have jobs. sam bankman-fried, an incredible example of -- he wasn't even into philanthropy in this moment, he was still just making money and telling us the way he was making money was going to help all of us. he was going to smash the system, man, bring down the big banks and create this new era of finance for everyone. you can all get in on the crypto thing.

he lost everybody's money and makes the big banks look good by comparison. then of course trump, who i appreciate, he's not an actual billionaire, but i always appreciated the nakedness. unlike some of these other guys, he doesn't do a very good job of pretending he's for public benefit. he ran on a campaign of smashing the system in 2016, but he is nakedly reveal kwhag think is true of this group in general, which is that their existence as billionaires is sort of antithetical to our flourishing as a democracy. >> so let's talk about the intersection of being gullible and greed and sbf, that's how he goes now, sam bankman-fried, who comes up with this idea that crypto is going to mean the end of jpmorgan, the end of bank of america. we're going to be dealing in crypto. how does that happen? >> i think he was this disciple of a movement called effective altruism, but there's different

flavors of it. if someone shows up and just says, hey, i'm really eager to make a ton of money, you and most people listening would be like, good for you, but i'm not going to put you on tv or give you help, right? but if someone come ace long and says i want to change the world, like, i want to change the world, i want to bring down these powerful institutions, i want to empower the little guy to get in on the big gold rush of our time, right, that kind of post, we in america in particular are suckers for this kind of thing. and so people have figured out that although the business interest is what is real in their mind, what they frontload is this phony altruism. they frontload, he called earn to give, i'm going to earn all this money to be able to give it away. i'm going to smash the system. ice what trump did with his pseudopopulism and what all these guys do. talking about the persuaders, my focus is not on persuading

billionaires to be different. it's persuading you watching this and all of us to think about our power to have a world in which we first worry about regulating these companies properly, taxing these billionaires properly, doing antitrust properly so they don't have one store, one news site, one everything. and we can do that. that is within our power. we've done it before in eras of american history when we realized the robert barons. >> how close we came to losing our democracy and put a lot of that at the feet of donald trump, and the disinformation and lies he spread. but elon musk and twitter, his twitter may be playing a big role in that, not just he puts someone like trump back on it, kanye west, but others who delve in these conspiracy theories. isn't that going to spread more disinformation? isn't that also an extraordinary

danger to democracy for someone who seems to just want to revel in the chaos? >> yeah. think about it. anybody watching this. do you consider yourself afraid of truth or evidence-based reality? probably not. why is someone like elon musk so afraid of truth, so afraid of evidence-based reality? it's interesting, right? the first things he does after getting ownership of this site are basically to open up the gates to lies and hatred, right? you could take ownership of twitter and say there's a revolution going on in iran, let me use my platform to help -- that's a thing you could spend your time on. the thing he chose to spend time on is undamning lies and hatred. why? because at some level people like elon musk knows that a society that lives in reality and truth is not going to keep folks like elon musk or trump around. they'll rein them in through

democracy. it's incredibly sad that because of the level of corporate concentration we don't have eight twitters, eight facebooks, we have kind of like one of each of these things. . that's how monopoly has worked in our time. so the whole society is now beholden to elon musk's adolescence, right? like, i don't -- we've all gone to a party and met a 51-year-old man who stopped developing at 11. you meet the guy at a party, you think it's sad for you, maybe for your spouse. but when you're billionaire with the level of power elon musk is, it's bad for all of us. you can run tesla, these rocket companies, but twitter's a social network. it's about people. you have to understand human beings to run it. and unfortunately, that's a skill elon musk comes up with that limited men tend to lack.

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♪♪ a classic. after a successful run interrupted by covid, filled her on the roof in yiddish is returning for a seven-week stretch in new york city, back with many of the same cast members reprising their roles. joining us now the director of filled her on the roof in yiddish the great joel gray. joel, so good to see you, my friend. >> good morning! >> john and mike will take good care of you. how exciting that the show is back and how relevant it remains today. perhaps even more so than when you had it out in 2018. >> yes. and when you look at the papers

in ukraine and that's where this play began. it was written about the ukraine. they called it an atefka. they were running from the russians then, terrified. and run out of the country. and run to the -- all the immigres came to, in. and i keep thinking of the young women who came to new york in the hopes of freedom and america. and a lot of these young women were in the fire, that garment center file. >> triangle fire. >> and they showed up after living through those horrible years in the ukraine and died in the fire.

>> so, joel, also tell us this moment comes as anti-semitism is on the rise here in the united states and around the world. high profile figures, else piecing these views. and terrible crimes committed in their game. talk about what this means to you and why this production is so important now. >> well, it's the sort of thing that's terrifying every time it raises and lifts its ugly head. and i can remember it as a kid in cleveland, ohio. just walk down the street and being beaten up for being a jewish kid. and they're still beating up jewish kids. >> you know, joel, we were talking a little bit off camera about the roots of filled her on the roof. it is never green of a story. it will last forever. you mentioned that basically the showing of filled her on the

roof, the portrayal in japan held audiences captive because it's about family. >> right. they thought it was about them. and it was in yiddish. >> how does that work, by the way, here, in yiddish? >> oh, we have sub titles. >> above the stage? >> on the sides. and subtitles in english and in yiddish and in russian. >> and talk to us about the challenges of bringing it back. production was suspended as covid arrives. were there moments when you were fearful you wouldn't be able to have that night tonight? >> yeah. well, there's always that fear in the theater, that something is going to happen that you can't -- you can't go on. but we are. we're just going on.

and we assembled almost the entire cast that was in it two years ago. they all wanted to be in it again. and they're young people. and non-yiddish speaking actors who learned it. >> wow. >> not easy. i don't speak it myself. >> it is incredibly impressive. joel, it's important to say, yes, of course there are all these important themes and all these subtexts around the show. when we come to this segment and they are stomping their feet singing "tradition," it's just fun too. it's as fun a show as it's ever been. >> this is my director's hot. >> ooh. big time. >> i put it on and i say, you stand over there and you say this and you do that.

>> and they obey. >> they listen to me. >> well, we are too. >> of course they do. of course they do, joel. we have to get you one of those big megaphones to round out the look. fiddler on the roof turns tonight at new world stages. it runs through january 1st. the great joel grey. congratulations. welcome back to the show. >> the old man is back. >> and he is the director. thank you, joel. that does it for us this morning. we'll see you right back here tomorrow morning. jose diaz-balart picks up the coverage after a final quick break. coverage after a final quick break.

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