treasure forever. ♪♪ that wraps up the hour for me. i am josé diaz-balart. you can reach me on twitter and instagram @jdbalart. thank you for the privilege of your time. lindsey reiser picks up with more news, right now. good tuesday morning. i am lindsey reiser, live from msnbc headquarters in new york. this morning more harrowing details are emerging about the deadly shooting at a colorado springs nightclub as more survivors speak out, including the heroic army veteran that tackled the shooter and beat him with the shooter's own gun. richard fierro has been credited with saving dozens of lives. >> i was not thinking. i just ran over there, got him.

i got to kill this guy. he's going to kill my kid, he's going to kill my wife. >> in a few minutes i will speak with another survivor who was shot multiple times and thought he was going to die. >> i was at -- catching a drag show up in colorado springs. somebody came in and shot it up. >> plus, what we're learning about the five people killed that have now been identified. also this morning we are keeping a close eye on a courthouse in georgia. senator lindsay graham is testifying before a grand jury in the probe to interference in the election.

and then with two days to go, the faa tells nbc news, today is the expected to be the busiest day in the sky, and staffing shortages could present challenges. new concerns about a triple and it's possibly the last briefing for dr. anthony fauci who is stepping down next months after four decades. we will start with the latest in colorado springs. i am joined by heidi beetle, a journalists at "the colorado times recorder." and richard fierro is a hero. what are we learning about him, the actions he took and also about the victims and the

suspect? >> reporter: yeah, lindsey, richard fierro is a decorated army veteran. he did a total of four tours between iraq and afghanistan, and he was at q last night with his daughter and friends, and one of his daughter's friends was supposed to be performing and that's why they were there, and when the gunshots rang out he dropped to the ground and then made the split-second decision to charge the shooter. take a listen. >> i grabbed him by the back of his little cheap-ass armor thing and pulled him down, and i started whaling on this dual and was on top of him, and one of the performers walked by -- or was running by, and i told her, kick this guy, and she took her high heel and stuffed it in his face. >> reporter: fierro is credited,

as you mentioned, with saving so many lives. he says he wishes he could have done more. of course, five people tragically died on that night, including the boyfriend of fierro's daughter. his name was raymond green, and today the family is remembering the 22-year-old as a selfless young man with his whole life ahead of him. we are learning about the other victims, including kelly loving, and she was also thinking of others. and one of the bartenders there, the 28-year-old whose mom said was always happy and loved to entertain people. and derek was also a bartender here, and friends say he was sassy and loved to tease, and that's what they all loved about him. ashley paugh, she was on a day trip and decided to end her

night at q, and her husband is remembering her as a loving wife and she leaves behind an 11-year-old daughter. so much tragedy here. police are still on the scene feet from where we are, combing the crime scene and continuing to process the crime scene as the suspect remains hospitalized. he has been arrested on suspicion of five counts of first-degree murder and five counts of a biassed motivated crime. they do intend to charge him once he's released from the hospital, and we could see the charges change or additional charges added. >> thanks. heidi, raymond vance, the boyfriend of the daughter of fierro, he was 22 and he was tragedy killed in all of this. you tweeted you remember raymond from teaching high school. can you share anything about him?

>> yeah. i can't really add more than what the family said. i remember him as being very popular and, you know, he was an athlete, you know. the kids who gravitated to me at the sand creek high school were more the autistic kids, and the lgbtq students, and one of my former students was there as a performer, and this tragedy here in colorado springs is not -- you know, it's impacting tragically the lgbtq community, but the impact is throughout the entire community, you know. the victims, two of them were presumably sis people in a relationship, and it affected a

lot. >> and then heidi, can you explain -- expand on what you have seen and how it impacted the community? >> sure. here in colorado, we started with the primaries and going through election season, and trans is a talking point, and it's the gubernatorial race and a few months ago there was a protest against a drag event taking place in highlands ranch, colorado, and dave williams and representative mark baysly in douglas, colorado, they were

saying this was not something the community should be supporting, and this kind of rhetoric, it has been going on for over a year now. in other parts of the country we are starting to see violent groups like the proud boys come to the drag protests. what happened at club q, it felt inevitable, and it's so awful and tragic that it happened here in my hometown. >> priscilla thompson, heidi beetle, thank you both. and then one friend was one of the people injured they went to see. >> she was screaming help. >> to the guys that took down the shooter, we are so grateful, truly. without them it would have been much worst. >> joining me now is another survivor of the shooting. barrett hudson, and as you can

see, barrett is still in his hospital bed. he was hit seven times and is now recovering. thank you for being with us. how are you doing? how are you feeling? >> i am doing as good as i can. i am in a lot of pain, but i am -- i am a fighter. i am actually able to walk. i got hit seven times in the back with bullets. i got clipped a few more times after that, actually, but seven bullets went into me. i am so thankful -- i am very thankful all seven bullets missed my organs, my spine, my kidney and my colon, and they cut my stomach and put cameras in me and went through. saturday night i thought i was dead, and my last phone call was to my father. >> what was that call like? >> i thought i was dead saturday

night. yeah, i wanted him to -- i told him i was probably going to die, that i had been shot and -- sunday, monday, i am walking. i don't know -- like, i am truly blessed to be here. i have got so much hate and so much love in my heart over this situation and how we could have helped prevent stop this with gun laws in the future. i don't know how many more times this has to happen until we get the bill across or the law or whatever. it's absolutely horrible. >> what do you remember from that night? >> i heard, you know, pop, pop, pop, pop, and i said this a few times. you know the pop of a balloon at a club and it sounds like a lower version of a gunshot and this is my first time hearing shots in a club, and the music is so loud, it took a couple

seconds for everybody to realize what happened. by the time -- i saw the shooter, and the door shut behind him. i saw an ar-15, and i saw somebody putting their hands up and backing away from him, and he killed him cold-blooded. i took off, and everybody started running. i got hit several times, and i collapsed on the floor. i got back up. he kept shooting me. i made it outside. i don't know how i made it -- i made it outside, i hopped a 12-foot fence, and ran about 30 yards and jumped off this ramp about 15 feet down, and my knees are all messed up and i ran over to 7-eleven, and i found people and i was screaming for help. they stopped the bleeding, and it took, like, 20 or 30 minutes for an ambulance to get there. the worst part is i saw

ambulances driving by, and we couldn't get any of them to stop. we told them where we were at, and i just -- i thought -- once i started counting the bullet holes in my back, that's when i got my phone and called my dad real quick because -- because i thought that was it. i never picture i would have walked again, and if i made it, and i am doing both now and staying positive, really trying. >> shot seven times and you are one of the lucky ones. i mean -- >> yes, ma'am. >> barrett, i want to talk about richard fierro. i don't know if you heard the scuffle, if you remember seeing anything, and he's credited with tackling the gunman and saving more lives. do you remember seeing anything like that? maybe you already ran out. is there anything you would want

to say to him? >> i believe i was one of the first people shot. once he got through the door and i saw the door shut, we didn't have any -- i didn't have a lot of time to react and i -- this is my first time that i heard richard's name, and i really appreciate you and richard for what you have done. that's amazing. that's absolutely amazing that you stopped this, and i have not seen any interviews. i have not watched my interviews, and this is the first interview i watched about him. i really thank you, richard. thank you. >> barrett, is there anything else you want to say? >> i do want to say one thing. thank you for asking me. i was asked earlier if gay bars are a safe place for the lgbtq community, and if i had to give

out any advice to anybody what would i give. there's so much hate out there right now that gay bars are not safe. i told my friends that are drag queens, i said you have to get a gun and protect yourself. i am terrified for you to perform. and even if i would have had a pistol on me at the time -- i guess where he got me at, i would not have had time to react. the way i am just dumbfounded on how richard did, and that's amazing. i am stuck on that, i think. but if i have to -- sorry, go ahead. >> barrett, without a safe place, we know that lgbtq plus bars and clubs have been safe places for people and go in and be themselves, and you feel right now that you don't have that? >> i don't have that because one thing i noticed -- i have been around the world to a lot of gay bars, and security is very slim.

i get security nowadays, some of them can carry weapons and some can't. i think for the lgbtq bar, you have got to get a security that can carry a weapon. i think that would make a world of difference. not just a security guard, but like security guards that can actually be armed. >> i am sorry we are having to have this conversation. i want to thank you for your time. obviously, you should be focused on your recovery and you are spending time letting us know your story and we appreciate it. >> thank you for hearing me out, and i appreciate the love and support from the news stations and everybody, and thank you again, richard. i want to bring in a former federal prosecutor who has prosecuted hate crimes. steven, we know the suspect has been arrested on first-degree murder and hate-related charges, but the d.a. has not officially charged him. do you expect that to happen

soon and is there a different bar in colorado between booking charges and formal charges? >> thanks for having me. what we are seeing here in the speed of this response, it's impressive in the sense that these types of crimes, the hate crime charges are harder to prove than standard crimes. they require understanding the motive of the perpetrator or the defendant in this case. i would expect the charges to become official soon, but i believe colorado authorities have indicated they will remain sealed for a period of time while the investigation is ongoing. >> colorado does not have the death penalty, but those potential murder charges alone could put the suspect away for life without parole. >> from the perspective of punishment, the hate crime charges are unlikely to add additional years to -- as you

already pointed out, what would likely be a life sentence if you prove five murders. the importance for pursuing the hate crimes is to recognize these crimes impact not just those present at the club that night, but they impact the entire lgbtq community as a whole. it's a terrorists act to the community itself, which is why it's important to pursue those charges separately. >> steven gillson, thank you so much for clearing that out. and senator lindsay graham is answering questions before a grand jury about the election. and then why police are expanding their search in the

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graham is in georgia testifying before a fulton county grand jury as part of the probe in the alleged interference in the 2020 election. at the same time, donald trump was publicly contesting election results. senator graham tried to block the subpoena up to the supreme court and the high court rejected his request to quash it earlier this month. and with us, civil rights attorney, charles coleman, and

blayne. >> reporter: lindsey, we know the senator is in the fulton county courthouse, and as for what he's saying -- remember, all of this is closed door testimony. this is a secret process by nature, and we likely won't know what is said before the grand jury before the several hours of testimony. we do have a good idea of what the d.a. wanted to ask him about, and that goes back to a couple phone calls senator lindsey graham made to the state secretary about the absentee ballots. that has been the crux of the entire thing. this has been a legal battle back and forth between lindsay graham and the d.a.'s office for a better part of five months now, and lindsey graham argued all along he should not have to testify because the questions he was asking was a fact-finding mission and doing his job as a legislature, and the judge said that is not the case, he still has to testify. i want to make one point, it's

certainly notable, as you said, this is the highest ranking government official we have seen testifying before this, and these are not just georgia election officials, and these are people he had a great deal of conversations with the former president in the days he was contesting the election, and it's also showing the d.a. is closing in on the former president himself in terms of people she wants to talk to, lindsey. >> well, charles, on this call with georgia election staffers, senator graham asked whether the georgia secretary of state had the power to reject certain absentee ballots, and graham said he was just trying to understand the state's certification process for verifying ballot signatures. what do you expect to see from him today? >> when a united states senator in a state that is not your own

calls you and asked you about your ability to reject ballots, it's a suggestion and it's like if somebody's boss comes and says, do you mind working this weekend, and it's not really a question but a strong suggestion, and the interpretation of that is correct. what i expect from senator graham is he is going to try his best to avoid answering as many questions as possible under the speech and debate clause. it's going to become, in many respects, a chess match between him and the prosecutor making the presentation to the grand jury. they already crafted their questions to be narrowly tailored and in line with the judge's ruling, and they know they can't ask about some things, and anything they put in front of him is something they expect him to have to answer, and i think he will try and evade as many questions as he

can, and we could see this go back in front of a judge that would compel senator graham to answer questions if he plays hardball today. >> the grand jury in fulton county has heard testimony from brad raftins burger, and former white house aide, hutchison, and south carolina supreme court just agreed to hear an appeal. a judge just threw out another appeal for flynn's subpoena. this is not an exhaustive list, and how far along do you think the fulton investigation probe is along? >> i think pretty far along in her election probe and investigation, and speaking as a former prosecutor, you will go and squeeze that orange as much as you can until you can get as much as you can and as high up

as you can, and what i mean, is the more information they can get about higher up officials, and if they will flip and give you information about the bigger fish, you keep going. that's what is happening here. they are getting more information and talking about witnesses, and the more individuals willing to cooperate under the pressure of them having to go to jail themselves, they are going to continue to deepen the investigation. i do think they may have reached the top here, but if it turns out that there are people who have more information that could be helpful, we could see this continue. >> blayne alexander, charles coleman, thank you. over to another courthouse, the jury is deliberating in a trial in the oath keepers. they are accused of seditious conspiracy for their alleged involvement in the january 6th capitol riot, to oppose the

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one airport in the country, and it's expected to be the busiest flying day, and overall when we are looking at numbers, we are looking at travelers whether it's by air, road or train to be around near prepandemic levels. we have compiled a list so if you want to avoid the crowd. by road, as you said, 48,000 flights today expected, so don't expect a whole lot of elbow space on those planes. things may be running smoothly on the rail -- >> now -- for now -- >> we're going to take you -- if you travel by trail, that could

get derailed. putting the u.s. on track for a possible strike this holiday season. the biden administration helped broker an agreement last september between the groups, but the unions became deadlocked over railroads refusing to add paid sick time and scheduling requirements to the deal. if an agreement can't be reached in the next 2 1/2 weeks, unions could strike as early as december 9th. days before families gather for thanksgiving dinner, health experts are sounding the alarm for the flu, covid and rsv cases. we're keeping an eye on the white house where any minute health officials will give an update on what they are calling the six-week sprint to get more people vaccinated, especially with updated covid booster shots. it's likely the last briefing with dr. anthony fauci. he is set to step down next

month after four decades of leading the way on the fight on infectious diseases. joining me is stephanie gosk and monica alba. we want to get together, and we want to be in a big room with lots of people and sharing plates and all that, and is that likely? should we be doing that? >> it is likely, and when you talk about covid, things plateaued around the country, and the rsv and the respiratory cases, and it's the flu, and we spoke to a hospital in seattle, a children's hospital, they said at this month they were at 200% capacity the entire month and at times it spiked to 300%. rsv is frightening, especially for really small children. we spoke to a family in ohio, and their newborn last month got sick and had fever and was

starting to have a lot of trouble breathing, and brought him to the cleveland clinic and they still had to wait 11 hours in the emergency room and that's because the hospitals are maxed out, and they are dealing with shortages. all of that is coming together to make things very difficult for them. in terms of your family, the tips are if you are not feeling great, don't go to thanksgiving dinner. other things you can do, take that rapid test if you are nervous, and keep good ventilation in the room. everybody wants to get together so badly. it's hard to tell people not to, right? >> the images of seeing the babies in hospital beds with the breathing tubes, i mean -- >> it's terrible to see. and the other thing is because we now lived the last two-plus years with masks, indoors and separating ourselves, our immune systems are repressed, and i have a couple little kids, and they are catching everything that comes through the door. you know, that's tough.

>> yeah. don't tell me that. >> sorry. >> monica, dr. anthony fauci has been the face of the white house covid response, and the head of the allergy and infectious diseases for nearly 40 years. how is the white house feeling about what will likely be his last appearance today and a future without him once he steps down? >> president biden personally has a close relationship with dr. fauci, lindsey. they go back to working together since his time as vice president when they were tackling things like ebola, and when he announced his plan to retire and he put out a statement. the white house is extremely grateful to dr. fauci, but they know he may continue to serve this important role like the one he's taking today, to come out and speak to the american public and be honest about the situation we are confronting right now from a health perspective and give the best

possible medical advice. dr. fauci served many presidents of both parties. he was an important often fact-check and scientific voice in the trump administration in the white house in the early days of the pandemic, and since then has continued to guide president biden. he's actually said he may have the next chapter. we don't know what that is yet, but there's another open and lingering question, lindsey, which is with republicans controlling the house in terms of oversight and investigations, it's possible they could ask dr. fauci to testify or contribute information given they do intend, they say, to investigate the origins of covid. this is not the last of dr. fauci we will be seeing, but it could be the last time appearing for the white house. >> we will keep an eye on the briefing room, and bring you any headlines. thank you both.

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it should be off the table there have been 13 billion doses that have been distributed worldwide. hundreds of millions in the united states. there's robust safety monitoring systems that are in place. clearly, an extensive body of information clearly indicates that they are safe. next, are they effective? i believe you are all aware of this. if you look at the striking data, overwhelmingly show the effectiveness. recent data indicate that if you were vaccinated and boosted compared to an unvaccinated person, there's a 14 times lower risk of dying in the most recent era compared to unvaccinated and at least a three times lower

risk of testing positive compared to unvaccinated. then there are issues we have to deal with that are sometimes confusing to the american public. if that's such great data, why do you tell us we should be, for our own safety and that of the community and our family, get a booster shot? there are two issues that are unprecedented when it comes to infectious diseases. that is, as good as the vaccine is and as good as post-infection protection is, the immunity and protection wanes over time. let me put it into some perspective for you. if you get vaccinated with measles or infected with measles, the duration of protection is measured at a minimum in decades and likely for a lifetime. that just happens to unfortunately not be the case when you are dealing with

coronavirus and particularly sars. we need to update the protection. next, we have the complicating issue that we can't do anything about is that you have the emergence every several months now historically of variants. remember delta, omicron, the things that we are all hearing about and reading about and seeing? you don't have that with, another example, getting back to measles, which we are all familiar with. there are no variants of measles. i got infected when i was a youngster, because i'm old enough to not get the vaccine. that measles is the same -- >> dr. fauci talking about flu season and coronavirus. families get ready to get together for thanksgiving in what will likely be his last white house briefing. he prepares to step down from his role next month. of course, encouraging people to

not only get a flu shot but get a booster shot. saying that they are safe. we have had evidence of months and months of the safety and efficacy of the vaccines. we have never had a pandemic like this with so many variants. we will monitor that and bring you any other headlines. we want to turn to ukraine. in the face of a brutal winter, millions are making the difficult choice to leave their homes behind. air strikes on critical infrastructure have left cities without water, power or heat. the world health organization expects 2 to 3 million ukrainians to leave their homes this winter. ellison barber joins us with more. what are you seeing on the ground there? >> reporter: you can probably get a sense of some of the darkness here just over my shoulder. around 10 million ukrainians are said to be without power right now. that's about a quarter of the population here. now you have the world health organization warning that this winter is going to be a

life-threatening situation. they say that for many ukrainians, this winter is going to be about surviving. listen. >> this winter will be life-threatening for millions of people in ukraine. the devastating energy crisis, the deepening mental health emergency, constraints on humanitarian access and the risk of viral infections will make this winter a formidable test for the ukraine health system and the ukraine people. >> reporter: you mentioned the 2 to 3 million ukrainians the world health organization say they expect to leave their homes in search of warmth and safety. that's in addition to the 6.5 million ukrainians the u.n. says are currently internally displaced in this country. those are huge numbers. a lot of people dealing with a lot. one thing to keep in mind is that they are undoubtedly going to be a lot of people who cannot leave, even if they want to,

even if maybe they should. think of vulnerable populations, people who have disabilities, elderly. right now, there's a race on the ground here from the ukrainian government to ngos to the u.n. to reach those people as quickly as possible to get them the supplies, the tools to survive this winter, because they know it's going to be such a challenge for so many. >> ellison barber, thank you. does that it for me. i will see you back here tomorrow at 11:00 a.m. "andrea mitchell reports" starts next. rea mitchell reports" stars next unlike some others, neuriva plus is a multitasker supporting 6 key indicators of brain health. to help keep me sharp. neuriva: think bigger. (vo) with their verizon private 5g network, associated british ports can now precisely orchestrate nearly 600,000 vehicles passing through their uk port every year. don't just connect your business. (dock worker) right on time. (vo) make it even smarter. we call this enterprise intelligence.

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right now on "andrea mitchell reports," courage under fire. a decorated army veteran putting his life on the line to take down the gunman accused of killing five people and injuring dozens more at a popular lgbtq nightclub in colorado springs. the hero speaking out after being identified by local authorities.