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questions from the fulton county d.a. today. what else we know about the highest ranking lawmaker in front of that grand jury so far and who may be called next. plus, breaking news from the supreme court with the justices clearing the way for house democrats to get their hands on donald trump's tax returns and other financial documents and that's where we'll start on this tuesday afternoon. joining me now is garrett hague along with former u.s. attorney, senior fbi official and msnbc contributor, chuck rosenberg. the support has just opened the door to maybe allow house democrats on one of the specific congressional committees vest gaiting the former president to get his ever illusive tax

return. >> the supreme court closed the door on any effort to get this. it's been working on since early 2019. the ways and means committee have been pursuing trump's tax returns really as soon as democrats took control of congress after the 2018 election. they argued at the time, they have a valid legislative purpose to look at anybody's tax returns. especially a president. especially a president who refused to release them as had been the case. as his legal strategy in many cases used every available tactic to deny and delay this order being put into effect and you have the supreme court saying today in an unsigned 9-0 decision, saying no more. the challenge is this. there's only six weeks left in this congress. much of it congress won't even be in session before the end of this year. whether there's any legislative purpose of what they can do with

these documents, the transmission time it might take to get them, but the chairman said recently, he felt the principle of the thing here was important. not to let donald trump stone wall his way through congress however long it may last and was interested in getting these records and now he will fail to do that. >> i have a another timeline question before i get to you, chuck. you laid out six weeks until the end of this congressional term. in theory, right, this, as you say, short, unsigned order, would open the door for house democrats to get those tax returns. talk to me though in the real world in which we live and the time constraints. could the committee come back into session, could it in this time period, get those documents transmitted? like i don't know, you know, what the process of that would be, but like in the world in which we live, right, in which we know that republicans will almost certainly retract this call for documents when they take over in the new term.

what are the chances this actually happens? >> well, look, i think the thing that's working in house democrats favor is they're not looking for these records directly from donald trump himself. he doesn't have to go digging around in boxes at mar-a-lago or elsewhere to find the paper documents. they're seeking them from his accounting firm who would have them available. they know they've been involved in litigation on this and might be able to transfer them as easily as sending a pdf document. you know, a professional accounting firm is going to be much less likely to want to tangle with a congressional committee now backed up by the supreme court than is the former president who does this kind of thing every day in terms of you know, legal on few skags. >> just because house democrats may get the chance to see the tax returns doesn't mean the rest of us will, right?

>> that's right. there's no reason to think that we're going to have access to them and frankly, i'm not sure we should. i mean, i think it's a shame that this former president didn't release his tax returns. it's been customary among all presidents and candidates to release tax returns. he chose not to do it. voters apparently didn't punish him for that. i think that was a mistake, but there's a valid legislative purpose for the committee to ask for them. every court that has looked at that question has agreed with the committee. i think garrett is right. the committee should be able to get them quickly from a professional accounting firm. there's an interesting twist here. had the subpoena been directly to mr. trump who seems to be out of legal options, i guess he could have gone into contempt and refused to hand it over, but to garrett's point, i can't imagine an accounting firm would want to go into contempt given

that every court including the supreme court, has ordered they get released. i'm not certain to your question we will see it. >> jump in and remind people why this matters. there's reason folks want to see the tax returns. >> absolutely. pick your conflict of interest question. whether it be issues about the e molements clause that came up time and again during the trump administration. how he was making money before and during his presidency. what deals he might have struck with governments that came to fruition or did not. these are the kinds of things and reasons why presidential candidates are typically forced by voters to hand over their documents during that process. chuck is right. the committee's not going to

just turn around and release these documents. that's what trump argued. he didn't want to hand them over. but operating in the real world here, congress is the leakiest organization in washington. it always has been and it probably always will be and the minutes those documents arrive on capitol hill, there's a good chance in my experience that at least some of that information is going to end up in the public eye here. probably sooner rather than later. >> garrett and chuck, appreciate you both living in the real world with us here on msnbc. thank you very much for that developing news. the former president looking to fend off another legal threat this afternoon with federal appeals appeals court judges hearing argument from the doj in just a last hour hoping to ditch that special master in this case over classified documents. listen. refresher course, right if you haven't heard about the special master in a little bit. the independent third party who was appointed to review what was taken by the fbi in their search

of mar-a-lago in august. let me bring in ken dilanian. ken, obviously the justice department wants something very different from this appeals court than the former president's team. do we know when we might get a resolution to this? >> they've asked it be taken up on an emergency basis, but an appeals court, that means maybe like a couple of weeks rather than a couple of months. probably not say before the thanksgiving holiday, but rather quickly in court time and just as the conservative majority supreme court just ruled against the president and is now requiring the irs turn over president trump's tax returns, this republican controlled appeals court, three republican appointed judges appear ready to make the special master go away. one judge said look, you, the trump side, are asking us to create a precedent here where any criminal defendant whose house is searched by the fbi can

go into district court and get a special master. that's not the law. that's not how it works. the trump side is saying because he was a former president, it's a special situation. what's personal, what's presidential. the justice department is look, we had a lawful search warrant. we took this stuff. if there's attorney client documents, we're happy to have that dispute, but you're in the entitled to a special master and from the past half hour of oral arguments, it appears these judges are leaning in the direction of agreeing. >> thank you for that reporting. just so happens there's news just in about yet another investigation that had donald trump in its cross hairs. lindsey graham is out with a new statement in the last few minls saying he appeared in front of the fulton county grand jury for more than two hours. he says he answered all questions. he's now the highest ranking official to appear in front of the grand jury. that comes after months of legal

back and forth over whether graham would have to testify at all with the case going all the way up to the supreme court. i'm joined by blaine alexander who is outside the courthouse in atlanta. what did the district attorney, the grand jury hear from senator graham. by his telling based on this statement, he's kind of saying hey, they heard a lot because he answered all the questions. we don't know what those were. walk us through. >> you know, i think that's an important thing to point out. all of this is a secret process so once they go back behind those doors, we have no idea what's being asked or answered so the fact he said in a statement he answered all questions is more than we know about many of the people who have appeared in this courthouse behind me to be questioned. as for what the fulton county d.a. wants to know from graham goes back to a couple of phone calls he made in the days

following the 2020 presidential election. phone calls h e made to secretary of state brad raffensperger asking about absentee ballots here in the state of georgia. specifically, she's going to want to know whether or not that was in any sort of coordinated attempt or whether that was working together with the trump campaign. at the time these phone calls were made at the very same time, former president trump and his team were very publicly contesting the election results here in georgia. so the d.a. wants to know were they working together? were those calls made at the behest of someone for trump? she also wants to know what was said in those phone calls unlike the public phone call the president made to raffensperger, this one wasn't record. she wants to know what was said in those calls and when he made those calls in the first place. >> blaine alexander live in atlanta. thank you very much. appreciate it. got a lot more to get to coming up including more about that horrific shooting at a colorado nightclub just days ago. what we're now learning about the victims and the heroes who

stepped in. plus, growing concerns in ukraine as more people sound the alarm about needing help to survive the war this winter. what congress now wants to do. and after anthony fauci making what's likely to be his last press conference as president biden's chief medical officer. we'll be back in just 60 seconds. l officer. we'll be back in just 60 seconds. the holidays were awkward for romeo and juliet. but after saving big with amazon black friday... ...tragedy was avoided.

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raymond's not here. i just did what i had to do for my kids. if somebody's walking their kids down the street and something's about to happen to them, they're going to jump in front of their kid. that's what i did. didn't do anything special. took care of my kid, my wife, family, my friends. i don't care about the guy. he tried to kill my family. i don't know who he is. don't care. i want to see him in court. if he makes it there. i hope whatever jail he does serve is in the hardest jail you can serve in. because hey, man, you tried to kill my family. >> you heard richard fierro there mention the name raymond. that's raymond vance. one of the five victims shot and killed in that attack. kelly loving was also killed, derrick rump, daniel aston and ashley paugh. marla, we'll get to you for more

in a minute on the victims and the heroes in this horrific situation including fierro. but priscilla, we're just in the last couple of minutes, learning more about the suspect. bring us up to speed on that. >> we learned a short while ago the suspect has been released from the hospital and is in custody. he has been taken to the jail there and they say -- he had been in the hospital the last couple of days. the police were going to release a statement then said it wouldn't be coming and wouldn't say anything until monday because there are judicial proceedings outside of their control. we also heard the police chief saying they had gotten clearance from the hospital that the suspect was in good enough condition to be released so that has now happened.

we also understand that he has still not given a statement to police at this time but even so, this investigation is continuing with investigators here on the scene working to continue to comb this crime scene. continue to look into the shooter's past and interview people who may have known him to better understand a motive. as for what comes next now that the shooter is at jail, we know he should be appearing in court virtually sometime in the next few days and at that point, the district attorney will move ahead with filing official charges. right now, the shooter is under arrest for five counts of first degree murder and five counts of a bias related crime and it remains to be scene whether the charges could change. we could see additional charges or see the charges changed, but we expect to learn more in the next couple of days and

certainly by monday when officials say they'll brief again on the case. >> thank you. mara, let me turn to you. we heard from fierro and steve patterson. we're also learning more about one of the other heroic patrons who helped stop this attacker this afternoon. >> reporter: we have learned more information over the last day about the heroes, about the victims. i'd like to focus on the victims and the impact they left behind. we've got photos from law enforcement yesterday as they named the victims. and families wanting these victims to be remembered the way they do. daniel aston and derrick rump were bartenders. the owners saying there were more than employees. they were family members. derrick was known to be endearingly sassi. kelly loving, a 40-year-old

trans woman, incredibly caring while ashley paugh left behind an 11-year-old daughter. raymond green was with his family and his girlfriend celebrating. his girlfriend's father is richard fierro. and we are now waiting for more details in terms of the other hero that was with raymond, or excuse me, with richard when it all happened. richard also elaborating there might have been a third person helping make these life saving actions. that's something the community is really feeling grateful for. i spent time at the memorial, at the vigil talking to community members yesterday and they just told me over and over again as they mourn, they want to push forward with these victims in mind. >> i want people to know we're a strong community. you attack one of us, you attack all of us, you know. >> i just want to say our voices

are louder than gun shots. so they can do all the things they've been doing, but all it does is rile up people more and affect change in a better way. >> reporter: we heard from the doj saying they're considering pursuing federal charges. the local d.a. here in colorado mentioning they plan on if they're able to, bringing prosecuting against those hate crimes in order to bring justice to victims and survivors here. victims here last night after hearing that information felt reassured by that because they believe that the shooter that anybody spreading rhetoric needs to be held accountable. >> thank you both very much for your reporting on the ground. ahead, new details from the white house on a so-called tripledemic. from covid, rsv and the flu. dr. fauci giving what is probably his last press briefing. plus, right as we were coming on

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dr. fauci today in what seems to be his last appearance at that microphone as the nation's top health expert, kicking off an end of year covid vaccination drive. watch. >> so my message and my final

message i may give you from this podium is that please, for your own safety, for that of your family, get your updated covid-19 shot as soon as you're eligible. >> this is a push coming with more and more concern over what you've heard deemed the tripledemic. covid, flu, respiratory illnesses, specifically rsv, combining to push the healthcare to the limit in some states. especially in ers and in children's hospitals. joining us now is nbc news senior medical correspondent. this is the time when everybody's getting together for thanksgiving, then hanukkah, christmas, the holidays. traveling. they're in planes. people feel they don't need to mask anymore. what is the level of concern about a spike in these illnesses when a lot of parents are like, man, my kid hasn't been healthy for months.

>> it's a big concern because we're going to start to get together and we've seen over the last two holidays, we've had an uptick in covid cases. we're going to find out what's going to happen because of thanksgiving. a lot of people are putting their guard down. not wearing their mask as much, but this is a good time to get together with family and friends and you want to understand the differences between flu, rsv and covid cases because there are some subtle differences. when they start off, they seem the same. even as doctors, we have to make sure. we have a graphic showing the symptoms. with rsv, it gets deeper into the lungs. they're going to get chest retractions where you can see their ribs and noisy breathing and nasal flaring. their nose opens up as they're trying to breathe. for flu, think of it as full body type infection. they get these high fevers, 103,

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got. >> how do you reflect on this moment? >> this is one of the people you look at and say this is somebody who's been around for 40 plus years. starting in the '80s, being adviser for presidents. looking at hiv, aids, being one of the front-runners in that area and pushing for these medicines and research that's being done in there. ebola, swine flu and now covid. seeing him do this year after year. for 37 of those 40 years where he headed the national institute of allergy and infectious diseases, it was behind the curtain, then he got pushed into the limelight, became the world expert on covid. he also became a target for a lot of people and started to understand the plitization of these different things. so hats off to him. he's done a great job over these last 40 years and he's moving on to something else and fantastic he's been there for us and really helped us out.

>> thank you very much. got to get to some developing details about a michigan man arrested for threatening a member of congress and fbi director christopher wray. ryan riley is here with us to talk about the investigation. nice to see you this person. this is coming at a time when there is i think an elevated level of consciousness and perhaps concern in some corners. post election of threats to top officials. tell us more about this case in particular and this arrest. >> this michigan man around november 3rd, the beginning of the month, called in to a congressman's office. that congressman reported that to the u.s. capitol police. they investigated it and capitol police dispatched a local officer out to the field to respond and try to talk to the guy and when they went to his door, he showed up with a gun in his hand. that was a threatening posture he initially took there. he also later left messages on the fbi's facebook page and during a live stream of christopher wray's testimony on the hill.

he made comments on there about how he was going to kill the director of the fbi. so some threats against a member of congress. fbi director. serious stuff there that of course isn't looked upon kindly by the fbi. >> thank you very much for staying on top of that. want to get to developing news out of the white house with word now that president biden and the biden administration will be extending the student loan payment clause a little longer. so that means that if you have student loans and you have that sort of pause button pressed, it sounds like the department of education is just announcing that the repayment will not have to start up again until i think the date is june although we're going to check that with our reporter. all against the backdrop of this student loan debt cancellation. mike memoli at the north lawn. so, mike, i think it's june 30th, 2023. you don't have to pay your student loans back. federal student loans until that

day, correct? >> so here's what the situation is. this is all prompted by the uncertainty -- >> you really botched that, let me lay it out. please, i turn the floor over to you. >> so obviously when the president just announced a few months ago he was going to have this forgiveness of up to $20,000 in student loan debt for some borrowers, 10,000 for a larger population, it came with a announcement that the fact this pause that had been in effect because of covid-19 not requiring americans to pay their student loan debt down at all, would also be expiring. in other words, starting on december 31st, the department of education was going to be instructing loan services to start going through the process of requiring payments of student loan debt. well now because of the uncertainty, because of these legal challenges to the president's debt forgiveness plan, what the administration is saying is basically this. if the supreme court or any other legal resolution comes that allows the department of education to go ahead and implement this plan in the next year, they will then extend that

pause until 60 days after that point. if there is no settlement of the legal challenges by june 30th, it will go into effect 60 days after that. that's about giving these student loan servicers time to get their act together but also to give some certainty to borrowers so they can budget for their future. to know you have to start paying the minimum payments or any amount you want to pay above that of whatever your outstanding loan debt is. this is the white house now dealing with one element of the uncertainty. >> thank you for that breakdown. next up, an nbc news exclusive. our team getting a look at a big refugee camp in syria with the humanitarian crisis there getting worse by the day. it's video you will only see here. our reporter behind that scoop is joining us in a minute. plus, a bipartisan group of senators wants the pentagon to

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rare access inside a refugee camp in syria. you're about to see it on screen. where 57,000 people are already living in crisis. needing the basic of stuff like food, water, security, education. but isis, the terror organization, is building a new

army in the camp forcing those vulnerable to join and fight. cortney is joining us with this look. take us inside this camp. what isis is doing and how they're building this army there. >> the picture you saw there is a group calls the cubs of the calafate. they're recruiting little boys in the camp and the conditions make it extremely vulnerable. the majority of these people are women and children. now many of them came to the camp after isis fell in 2019. some of them are relatives, family member, kids of isis fighters who were captured or killed, but there's also thousands of people there who came to the camp to escape the violence from isis and the syrian regime and now with winter setting in, they are lacking food, water, basic tents. you can see the tattered white tents. the sea of tents there. they don't have kerosene for the

winter. the camp director told us by march, they may be out of water all together at the camp. those kinds of conditions make that population extremely vulnerable to groups like isis and they are there in that camp right now. we spoke with the commanding general of the mission in iraq and syria and he said groups like isis are preying on that population. here's what he had to say. >> isis is certainly trying to prey on this population because they know they need it. certainly some of them are family members from isis. detainees that are spread across northeast syria. the security element provided by the syrian democratic forces conducts clearing operations to help ensure as much as possible they decrease the opportunity for isis to do that. so they executed an operation here in september which resulted in the freeing of four slaves. resulted in the detention of about 300 individuals captured

explosives, weapon, munitions and isis materials. since then, they've had a significant decrease in violent activity here at the camp. >> one u.s. military official we spoke with there in the region said the refugee camp right now is the next generation of isis unless the international community can do something about it. take some of those people back to their countries. 8,000 are foreigners. they're not iraqi, they're not syrian and he called on the international community to take those people back or else there's the potential this will be the next generation of isis fighters. >> really important reporting. thank you very much for that. you can see more of her exclusive reporting tonight on nbc news with lester holt at 6:30 eastern wherever you watch your local nbc news. also, in u reporting from capitol hill. a group of bipartisan senators pushing the biden administration to step up and do more in ukraine. they want the u.s. to give kyiv

advanced armed drones. lawmakers say these so-called gray eagle drones tr the potential, in their words, to drive the strategic course of the war in ukraine's favor. the pentagon said earlier this month when asked. we've already seen the devastating impact russia's drones can have when used with missiles. leaving more than ten million people without power. this discussion over weapon, right, comes as the w.h.o. warns the potential for humanitarian crisis as winter starts to set in. talk us through what you're seeing on the ground. >> yeah, there are so many layers to this situation. and your intro laid out clearly just some of the layers we're dealing with within the last 24 hours. we're not talking about pockets of damage to ukraine's critical energy infrastructure. we're talking about massive damage to it all across the

country. energy officials saying russian troops have damaged all thermal power plants and large hydro electric power plants with missile strikes. there are ten million people in this country right now without power and now the world health organization is warning that winter will be a life threatening situation. listen. >> this winter will be life threatening for millions of people in ukraine. the devastating energy crisis. the deepening mental health emergency. restraints of humanitarian access and the risk of viral infections will make this winter a test for the ukraine health system and ukraine people. >> one energy official with the company yanso here in ukraine, he in the last few hours, was warning, talking about how that ukrainians, people here,

civilians, he says should be prepared to deal with power outages at least until the end of march. when you look at the numbers here, ten million without power right now. the world health organization says they think between two and three million ukrainians could be forced to leave their homes either moving somewhere else in the country or leaving the country just to seek warmth and safety this winter. that is on top of about 6.5 million people who are currently internally displaced in this country. that's not even counting the millions of people who are refugees beyond this country's borders. >> the numbers are staggering. thank you. still ahead here on the show, new fallout for ftx, the big crypto exchange that collapsed as some of its leaders testifying in court. wait until you hear what its defense attorney has to say. the person actually defending this calling this personal

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or missing, raising new questions about whether these quote unquote assets will ever be recovered. and they're taking shots at the founder, saying it was run as a personal fiefdom of bankman fried. i want to bring in eamon javers outside the courtroom in wilmington, delaware. good to see you. so the ftx lawyer, first of all, lay out what's gone on in court today. this is phase one of what is expected to be a fairly lengthy courtroom drama over how do you get people their money back if they invested in a crypto exchange that has collapsed. >> today was day one of phase one and it was an opportunity now for this new management under john ray which has come in and taken over to make their case in court in bankruptcy court explaining how they're going to get all their creditors their money back or at least some of their money back.

they were saying he was really mismanaging this company badly during the course of his tenure. they're saying they were trying to find where all of the assets are in this. they said under the previous manager, the emperor really had no clothes here at ftx and one of the big questions is going to be where did all that money go. so far, we don't have the answers to that. they're trying to defend the company now under repeated cyber attacks from criminals trying to get access to the money from criminals who think they can steal the remaining assets. they say they've hired a cybersecurity firm to protect the remaining assets. they wouldn't name the firm because they said it could be in danger from all the hacking attempts they're seeing assets. so a big mystery here and not a whole lot of answers here from wilmington, delaware. >> can you talk more about the hack attempt situation, eamon? it sounds like the lawyers are saying cyberattacks on ftx that coincided with the day that they

filed for bankruptcy which led to some of these assets being disappeared under the ether altogether, if you will. >> reporter: right. >> are there questions being raised about the timing here? or is this something where potentially bad actors saw a weakness in the system? is there more going on below the surface? what's the sense? >> reporter: well, we're not getting a lot of answers, hallie. there was some preamble to this. we know there was some notice this company was in trouble, and that could have caught the attention, just speculating here, that could have caught the attention of hackers saying there's a lot of assets inside ftx and we can maybe go after them of the maybe they're taking their eye off the security ball. we don't know how many assets were stolen, what the hacking situation was. interestingly there was a fight today in court over the identities of the customers of ftx, the regular users who had assets there, and whether their names would be made public as part of this of the the u.s. trustee was saying we need all those names to be made public. the company was saying we've got

to protect those people. they expected privacy when they bought these crypto coins. we expect to continue that privacy and that's an asset of the company. the judge here sided with the company today and said the names of the customers will remain private for now partly because they have a risk of cyberattack themselves, the customers do, so he wanted to protect them as well. >> where has sam bankman-fried been in all this? it's surprising how chatty he has been since the collapse of ftx. >> reporter: he was really chatty on twitter. he's been quiet in the recent days. he might have gotten legal advice. but there was a couple of days where the company was collapsing where sam bankman-fried was saying he was going to raise initial funds, he initially said the assets are fine. in a very short period of time he was out at this company and now the new management is coming in trying to sort out the wreckage here and placing a lot

of the blame on him, of course. >> eamon javers, it is good to see you as always. appreciate it. so more news this afternoon from what's happening off the soccer field over in qatar during the world cup. with the journalist for cbs sports saying he was stopped from going into yesterday's usa/wales match after officials took exception to his rainbow flag t-shirt. he talked with and rea mitchell saying he was finally let in after being detained for the better part of an hour. >> they apologized, fifa apologized. you know, left me wondering about what it's like for qataris who are here outside of world cups who are gay. because this was something that i had to deal with at an event that was being covered globally. >> players were discouraged and threatened with penalties by fifa if they wore arm bands meant to show solidarity with

marginalized people. tony blinken expressing some disapproval of that move. watch. >> it's always concerning from my perspective when we see any restrictions on freedom of expression, especially so when the expression is for diversity and for inclusion. and in my judgment, at least, no one on a football pitch should be forced to choose between supporting these values and playing for their team. >> i want to bring in meagan fitzgerald who is at the world cup in doha. talk us through what it's been like there given that the big world stage that the world cup has at this moment and everything we've seen happen off the soccer field. >> reporter: well, you know, hallie, there's some contradiction here, right? the qatari government has said that everyone is welcomed here. they don't discriminate and just come as you are. but at the same time, being openly gay here is illegal. you can be thrown in jail for

being who you are. body an opportunity to sit down with an openly gay qatari who actually is living right now in san francisco. he was able to speak freely and had some good perspective to share on what it's really like. let's listen to a little bit of our conversation. >> for the fans themselves that are going to qatar, the message is to honestly watch out for their safety. you need to understand that the concept of the lgbtq community is completely lacking over there. just lgbt visibility would be perceived as a provocative gesture. >> reporter: and then of course there's some contradiction and confusion with fifa telling european players they say that they can't wear these one love arm bands, showing solidarity with marginalized people. we saw england taking a knee and also wearing an arm band, their

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