continuing his review of the documents that are in dispute. the doj essentially saying this is a trump delay tactic that could have serious consequences on all federal criminal cases. the three judge appeals court panel appears likely to rule in favor of the justice department and will overturn judge cannon's order appointing the special master to review the documents. that does it for me. you can also catch me on the katie phang show weekend mornings at 7:00 a.m. eastern on msnbc and stream now original episodes on the msnbc on peacock on thursdays and fridays as well. "the reidout" with joy reid is up next. tonight on "the reidout" -- >> saturday night, i thought i was dead. my last phone call was to my father. i thought i was dead saturday night.

that was horrible. i wanted him -- i told him i was probably going to die. that i had been shot. >> as club q victims recover, a look at why colorado is especially susceptible to the kind of deadly violence we saw on saturday night and the state's long character arc from a state riddled with intolerance and gun violence to one that had started to turn it around. >> also tonight, the political media wants you to believe ron desantis was the big winner from the midterms. i'll tell you why they're wrong and talk with arguably the biggest winner of all, the governor they call big gretch, gretchen whitmer. >> plus, a very bad day in court for donald trump and his lawyers for all of the efforts to defend the indefensible probably won't even get paid. we begin with the colorado springs community still mourning saturday's mass shooting at club q. a tragic reminder of the ongoing lgbtq hate we live with. but also of what it means that a

sanctuary for the city's lgbtq community existed in colorado springs in the first place. a long time center of lgbtq activism going back to the 1990s. in 1992, a colorado springs right wing religious group, colorado for family values, ran a ballot measure to bar state and local governments from passing laws prohibiting lgbtq discrimination in direct response to anti-discrimination laws passed in progressive cities like denver. it was later called amendment 2 and was backed by another right-wing group based in colorado springs. focus on the family, passed by colorado voters, it sparked a national boycott, costing the state millions of dollars and earning it the moniker the hate state. but in the 30 years since, colorado has become a leader on lgbtq rights, electing jared polis, the nation's first openly gay governor. and passing laws banning gay conversion therapy and making it

easier for transgender individuals to update their birth certificates in recent years among other things. it's a similar arc to colorado's approach to gun legislation. after two of the most horrific mass shootings in recent memory. columbine high school in 1999 and the aurora theater massacre in 2012. the state adopted no fewer than ten gun regulations in the decade after aurora. including a 2019 red flag law permitting judges to seize weapons from people deemed dangerous to themselves or others. the colorado springs suspect identified as anderson lee aldrich, may have evaded that law after allegedly threatening to attack his mother with a homemade bomb last year. doorbell video obtained by nbc news from the alleged incident showed the suspect walking out of the home with his hands up before he was arrested. but there's no record that charges were ever filed. failing to trigger the law that might have allowed authorities to seize weapons his mother said

he had with him at the time. colorado springs home county is also especially hostile to the red flag law. the el paso county sheriff's office declared it a second amendment preservation county, and has refused to enforce aspects of it. meanwhile, no formal charges have yet been filed against the suspect who has been released from the hospital and turned over to el paso county sheriff's office. he's expected to appear virtually in court tomorrow. and tributes continue for the five murders victims, kelly loving, derrick rump, daniel aston, ashley paugh, and raymond green vance. vance's girlfriend was the daughter of one of saturday's heroes, army veteran richard fierro, who was at the club with his family and described how he and others took down the suspect and saved countless lives. >> i just know, i got into mode. and i needed to save my family. and that family was at that time, everybody in that room.

and that's what i was trained to do. i saw him and i went and got him. i feel for every single person in that room. i feel no joy. i'm not happy. i'm not excited. that guy is still alive, and my family is not. >> joining me now is joshua thurman, who witnessed the shooting at club q in colorado springs, and nadine bridges. thank you both for being here. i want to start with you, joshua. and if you can, and i'm sorry to make you have to relive it, but tell us what happened in your experience inside club q that night. >> i was dancing on the dance floor. i heard a round of shots, four to five shouts rang out. and in my mind, it felt like it was syncopated with the music, so i really didn't pay it any attention. i heard another four to five shots ring out, and at that time, it was out of sync with

the music and i could feel something was wrong. as i turned to my left, i saw the flash from the gun. the way the bar was set up, up in the bar area, the dance floor is a little lower. but i could see the flash of the gun. and so immediately, i ran. i ran to the dressing room. there's a curtain where the performers stand on the stage, and behind that is a dressing room. and so i ran there, and rich fierro's daughter joined me. i didn't know at the time, but once we got inside, i immediately tome them to close and lock the doors, we cut off the light and got down on the ground, and the other person was a drag performer. she immediately got on the phone and called the police. >> let me ask you this question. i'm so sorry. i'm so sorry for what you went through. can you talk about the space? i'm going to take you to a happier place. talk about what this space meant

to you and other members of the lgbtq community before it was desecrated this way. >> oh, my god. it was such a happy place. i, you know, i came out when i was like 24, 25. it helped me discover who i was. it helped me discover my love to dance. i became an employee, like, around 2010, 2011, and worked there for about four, 4 1/2, 5 years. i made tons of great friends. it's a very welcoming community. i performed there in drag a few times. they have a show on sundays called crush. and it was open to any and everybody that wanted to perform. it wasn't just for the lgbtqia plus. it was for everybody. it was such a warming, welcoming place.

the owners, the managers, they were just so friendly, the bartenders. every weekend was a theme party. it was, from the bartenders to the deejays to the go go dancers, it was home. it was home to a lot of people. and to not have that anymore hurts. but i mean, we do have other places here in the springs, but again, that was home to a lot of people that, you know, performed there, made names for themselves there. i can list a number, but it's more about the people that lost their lives senselessly over what? you know. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> indeed. let me bring you in, nadine. i grew up in denver, and i can tell you denver and kauld springs growing up there is very different. when i think colorado springs, i think focus on the family.

that's the main thing i think about. very, very conservative. can you talk about colorado's history as being a bastion of the far religious right and he hasn't been charged. we don't know the full charges, but it's looking in the direction like this was a bias crime potentially. just talk about colorado's welcoming or not as welcoming sort of stance toward lgbtq people, particularly colorado springs. >> yeah, i think as was mentioned earlier, we were known as the hate state. you know, our organization, state-wide organization have folks who are in colorado springs as well as on the western slope, and although we have passed a number of legislation to protect our community, we have been battling some of these areas. we know that representation on the state board of education just recently tried to move

references of lgbtq and black historical contributions from the curriculum from k-3 at those public meetings, we heard leaders essentially supposed leaders in our community calling our community leaders groomers. and it's very disrespectful and despicable things to young people and transgender folks. wi know that other folks like heidi, who specifically spoke about young people being trained to use bathrooms and we know that representative boebert was not directly in colorado springs but close enough, has said some of the most vile things and uplifted vile messages, anti-trans messages about our

community. so although we don't know what the motive of this shooter was, what i can say is that you go to a club that is a safe haven for community, a place where they are not judged, where they can have joy and love, and shoot at them and kill people, that is hate. and there's no question about it. i know that there's laws and regulations, how to define that, but the reality is, that is hate. and anybody who is going to put those type of despicable messages out there without critical thought or knowledge, you're going to gain a following and that's what happened. hate towards our lgbtq community, youth, and young adults for their own political gain. and this is what happens when you don't serve your community and uplift them the way you're supposed to as leaders of the

state. this is what happens. >> yeah, and colorado has had -- i talk about a character. in the 1920s, the klan ran colorado. they used to burn their crosses in the mountains so everybody black could see them because it's a mile-high city. you could see the cross burnings anywhere you were. it's been a different kind of state. the southern poverty law center right now says the number of hate groups, anti-lgbtq specifically hate groups are growing across the u.s. there are four of them just in the state of colorado. i want to ask you, joshua, about my friend brandon wolfe survived a very similar shooting in orlando, florida. and you know, he talks a lot about just having to try to move around in the world afterwards and the sense of insecurity, but gun violence if you look at the number of mass shootings just in colorado, from club q, all the way back to aurora, to columbine, you could go on and on. just talk about how you are moving in this space now after

this happened. and you know, how secure and comfortable do you feel? >> honestly, my sense of security is gone. i have been living in colorado springs since 2007. and this is the first time that, like, honestly i don't feel safe. i'm looking both ways now as i walk to my car, and it's literally five feet from my doorstep. i'm, you know, i feel like any loud sound i hear, i'm like immediately ducking or running. and it shouldn't have to be like that. like, it's very terrifying. it's very terrifying. >> yeah. and nadine, there is a community of allies obviously in colorado springs. mr. fierro, who is one of the big heroes of the night, it was his first time at a drag show. he was there with his wife and kids, blowing up this idea. i have been to drag shows where there were kids there. it's a lot of fun.

and he, i think, has just spoken so eloquently to what it it means to be an ally. are you finding enough alies in the state of colorado. your governor is a good advocate because he's a member of the community, but are you feeling the alliance and love after the shooting? >> yes, i mean, you know, we definitely have felt the love, i think. josh, i just want to specifically say to you, we hear you. and many folks who have been sharing their story, they have been reaching out to us as an lgbtq advocacy organization saying what can we do? what are the things necessary to do to uplift and support the community and demonstrate that we aren't these types of people. in that same vein, i would be remiss if i wasn't honest to say we certainly have started to receive threats to my staff and our community, so with the

support, there's also a threat of harm, and we're trying our best to mitigate that as we continue to protect the folks in colorado springs and across the state. >> joshua thurman, i hope that you can feel, i think all of our audience is giving you big virtual hugs right now. i hope you can feel them, and that they are healing for you. i have seen a few of your interviews, and you're so moving. and we are glad that you are still here. we're very glad that you are still here. god bless you, and nadine bridges, thank you for all that you do in my growing up state of colorado. >> up next on "the reidout," she is one of the democrats' biggest stars. governor gretchen whitmer joins me following an impressive midterm for democrats in michigan and across the region. "the reidout" continues after this.

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this month's midterm election was a resoundic victory for a young telogenic governor from a state donald trump won in 2016. you probably think i'm talking about florida's ron desantis who has become the media's mean little darling. no, i'm nomtalking about him. i'm talking about michigan governor gretchen whitmer who defeated her trump backed challenger, tudor dixon. she walloped dixon by 11 points, a wider margin that 2018 when

she first became governor. a coalition joined together to boost this governor to her second term. and that's not all. democratic candidates for the mish hish house and senate won a majority of votes this year. putting their party in control of both legislative chambers, thanks in large part to a fair map drawn by a citizens commission instead of one crafted by republicans. gone is the decades-long advantage that republicans had built up through gerrymandering. governor whitmer has already promised to work with the state's democratic legislature to fully rescind a 1931 law that bans abortion, pass gun control legislation, and codify same-sex marriage rights. issues the republican-led legislature refused to entertain. this comes after nearly 57% of michigan voters backed a ballot measure seeking to enshrine abortion rights in the state constitution. and michigan governor gretchen whitmer joins me now. thank you so much for being here. i do have to ask you, you know,

now i think it's been 130 years since democrats have had the so-called trifecta, having the legislative houses and the governorship. just listed a long laundry list of things you want to do. what's your first priority when the new session starts? >> well, i'm really excited, joy, to be honest. in the midterm, don't think anyone expected us to run the tables the way we did. this has only happened four times in 130 years. so i'm excited about having a legislature that will work with me, as opposed to against me. one that will work on the agenda, making michigan a place where every person has a pat to prosperity, funding public education, making sure that we hit top ten in terms of literacy in the country, and really building opportunity and paths to prosperity for every person no matter who you are, what you look like, how you worship or who you love or how you identify. michigan is a place for you, and we're going to make it so. >> and you know, i compare it to florida, because people still

sort of pine to think of florida as a swing state. it's not. it's been trending red for a long time, and it is a red state now. and for that governor to get re-elected and to add seats, he like illegally gerrymandered the state. michigan is different. michigan genuinely is a swing state. it swung back and forth between president obama, donald trump, and joe biden. so it's a real swing state. talk about how important it was for that gerrymandering to be dismantled, to make the results reflect what michiganders actually voted for. >> well, it was critical. for decades, republicans have gerrymandered michigan and run all of state government, most of the time. it's been forty years since democrats were in control here. and so it's an exciting opportunity to give the power back to the people. the people should choose their leaders, not the other way around. and when you don't have gerrymandering and you have fundamental rights on the ballot, and a democratic party that is focused on solving problems and making people's

lives better, growing an economy that creates real opportunity for all people, when the public has the opportunity to make their voice heard, boy, did they make it heard loud and clear here in michigan. and i think if we had fairly drop districts across the country, we would have a very different dynamic playing out across the u.s. right now. >> we know abortion was a very important issue. republicans tried to keep that ballot measure off the state ballot because they knew what was coming. they could see it was bad for them. it obviously passed. how important was this idea of democracy? jow have had first hand experience with what it looks like when people don't believe elections should count and they should have their way no matter what, including using violence. how important was the democracy message in your view to the results of the election for democrats? >> i think it was very important. you know, my opponent was someone who was stoking political violence, making light of a plot to kidnap and kill a sitting governor. undermining confidence in our

institutions. conspiracy theorist who was denying the outcome of elections. i was really grateful she actually called and conceded the day after the election. i wasn't sure if that would happen. i think it is so important that we understand, appreciate, respect the will of the people. and i think that the core question around the health and welfare and safety of this democracy was front and center for a lot of voters, as were fundamental rights, and you know, party that is focused on the fundamentals as well. i think all of these things played into what we saw happen here in michigan. when the voters choose their leaders, they choose leaders who are focused on soling problems and making their lives better. not those sowing conspiracy theories and trying to undermine our democracy. >> one of my oldest friends from college lives in flint, so we know that for black michiganders it's been a struggle under previous governors to get just basic fairness, environmental fairness.

there's been a lot of environmental racism and pain by your predecessor. for black michiganders, this is not a state with a huge black population, but big important cities that have important needs, what would you say they got out of this election? >> well, i think black voters made their voices heard as well. right? i think it's crucial to stay focused on things that will create paths to prosperity for every person. we closed it gap in how we funded our schools. for a long time, wealthy areas got more money to educate their kids, and that flew in the face of all science. we closed that gap and built equity on top with putting more money into english language learners, kids with special needs, we have levels the economic barrier. we're creating real opportunity with our racial disparities task force that started during covid, but we carried it forward, whether it is racial bias training or it is insuring that our policies focus on things

like sickle cell and issues that are uniquely and disproportionately felt bike the black community. this is something that's really important, and today, i announced the appointment of the first black woman to the michigan supreme court, khairiah harris bolden is going to be a phenomenal justice here in michigan. this was, i think, a major step forward. after 185 years for her to be the first, it's about damn time. >> yeah. and one last question. there is this new meme on the right that teachers, mike pompeo, said the most dangerous person in the world is randy weingartner. as a person who has faced targeting, what do you make of this idea that they're comparing the leader of the teachers union, a woman, and setting her up as a hate object, and teachers who are mainly women, as hate objects as well on the right. >> it's disgusting. and there is no place for it. and anyone who wants -- who holds a leadership position or wants to hold a leadership or

any person of goodwill needs to call this out. we have seen, whether it's anti-semitism or homophobia or anti almost anything, has grown in this country, has created a very dangerous environment. for three years i have been trying to get people to lower the temperature. it's this kind of rhetoric that endangers our fellow americans and that was roundly rejected in this last election. >> michigan governor gretchen whitmer, are you aware of the nickname big gretch? are you aware of that nickname? i have topull an ari melber and ask if you're aware? >> i'm very aware of it and i love it. >> excellent, gretchen whitmer, thank you very much. >> still ahead, all rise. we're tracking a bunch of really important cases making their way through the courts today. the latest on trump and the doj, lindsey graham's grand jury testimony, the supreme court, and more. that is straight ahead.

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to put it bluntly, it's been a bad day in court for donald trump. first you have an 11th circuit appeals court panel that appears likely to rule in favor of the justice department and throw out the special master in the investigation into trump's handling of classified documents. trump's lawyer faced a grilling today as he struggled to prove that the former president needs the items taken to be returned,

then needs the items taken to be returned to him, and that the search itself was illegal. the chief judge even said, if you can't establish that it was unlawful, then what are we even doing here? then, you have one of trump's most falthful minions, senator lindsey graham, testifying for more than two hours before a georgia grand jury investigating possible interference in the 2020 presidential election. graham allegedly made two phone calls to georgia secretary of state suggesting he reject some legally cast ballots. on top of all that, the u.s. supreme court today unanimously rejected trump's last ditch plea to block the release of his tax records to house democrats, which means lawmakers could potentially get their hands on the former president's tax returns before republicans take control of the house in january. joining me now is glen kirshner, former federal prosecutor, and charles coleman. i'm going to go in reverse order and start with you, glen.

the tax return situation. democrats could get them soon, before the holidays. what would that mean for trump legally? >> that's been a long time coming. he's fought tooth and nail, up through the supreme court, it was interesting city that there were no dissents reported, so it feels like this was a unanimous decision of the supreme court. i think, one, congress and eventually we the people will find out if he really is a billionaire, a millionaire, maybe only a thousandaire, and it would be good to learn if he were perhaps compromised by some sort of financial entanglements, which that might be one of the reasons he has fought so hard to keep these tax returns hidden for six, seven years now. so i think he has finally run out of rope and now we're finally going to learn a few things about what donald trump was really all about. >> let's go to the lindsey graham situation, charles coleman jr. he didn't want to testify. he fought it as far as he could

through the courts. now he's got to testify. do you think that lindsey graham's testimony in any way jeopardizes trump's legal position in georgia? >> well, joy, that remains to be seen. i do think lindsey graham was going to do everything he could to avoid answering as many questions as possible, even after the judge ordered him to go ahead and testify and noted that he could not avoid having to appear before this grand jury under the guise of the speech and debate clause, which is what he had been trying to argue so far. i think that lindsey graham was likely going to be a very difficult witness. at the same time, i think fanna willis and prosecutors were ready for that. i think they were going to ask what it was they knew they could and narrowly tailor their questions to reconcile what the judge has ordered in this regard. i don't expect they gave him very much ground to actually make a speech and debate clause claim in order to avoid their questions. that being said, in terms of whatever they can get, you have

to keep in mind that there have been a number of people from trump's inner circle who they have been questioning as part of this election probe, and i think if not lindsey graham, there may be someone else giving them as much information as they can get, but trust and believe, i do anticipate this investigation is going to squeeze as many people as tightly as they can, and if there is anything that connects donald trump to what actually happened in georgia, they're going to find it. >> and you know, i have more faith in fani willis than i do -- i'm being honest -- than the current attorney general. that's just my built-in skepticism. i have post-mueller ptsd, so i wonder if you can go through for me, you now have this argument over whether to keep the special master but you now also have this special counsel. how do those things interact or do they interact at all? and do you think that the appointment of a special master just slows things down, which is my theory, i'm not a lawyer, or does it help move things along?

>> you know, i think they absolutely interact because one of the tasks that has been assigned to jack smith, the newly appointed special counsel, is to investigate the crimes that may have been committed by donald trump when he stole, let's call it what it is, classified information from the white house and then unlawfully concealed it at mar-a-lago. it looks like, given the tone of the 11th circuit argument today, that three republican appointed judges are having none of it, and it sounds like they may finally put this special master thing out of its misery, which will be good because that will free everything up for jack smith's team of attorneys. i actually think, joy, there is a chance that the appointment of jack smith will considerably speed things up. i think we can look back and conclude that attorney general merrick garland was too much judge and not enough prosecutor. he was a prosecutor in my former

office, many years ago. the d.c. u.s. attorney's office, but then for a quarter of a century, he was a judge, thinking deep thoughts, reviewing every angle of every legal issue, which is what we want judges to do. it just doesn't necessarily make for a good prosecutor. so i think jack smith looks like he will come in and go gangbusters, but joy, as you say, we have superhero fatigue, don't we? we thought mueller would bring it home, bill barr didn't let him. we thought garland would bring it home, turned out not to be the case. let's wait and see, but i think this could actually be a good development. >> we'll see because charles, the thing that to me seems they have trump dead to rights, is stealing those documents. everybody on this panel, we would be in jail, we would have been in jail for months if we had stolen those classified documents. the fact he's able to drag it out, and the january 6th committee has credibly proved he was the chief beneficiary and orchestrator of the january 6th insurrection. you have jury deliberations, an

oath keeper, elmer, who calls himself stewart rhodes to sound cooler than he is, he's -- the case has gone to the jury. it's hard to believe these people just spontaneously decided to overthrow the government to put donald trump in. he had no idea. i mean, it just doesn't make sense. so do you share my skepticism that this process will ever lead to accountability, because this guy is starting to look untouchable? >> that's been my point and my concern for a very long time. i also think that one of the things we have to be prepared for, and i think you and i talked about this before, is the notion of an anti-climactic ending. in any universe regardless of what happens we need to be prepared for something that ultimately may be somewhat anticlimactic, depending on whatever your position is. if donald trump ends up being held accountable, being prosecutors, being convicted and only goes to jail for a couple months or a couple years or what have you, a lot of people are going to feel like, that's it?

it was all that for this? donald trump is not prosecuted, if he doesn't get indicted, people will look at that as a huge disappointment. i don't know any of us are on the same page with what it is that we want to see happen to donald trump. accountability is fine, but what does that actually mean? then accountability even if it is in the way of a criminal conviction, what is the punishment for that that would fit what was done? i don't know if we know. >> love tish james, but that was a fine weisselberg dead to rights, two months in jail, fine. you can just go through it, all of his minions, it doesn't seem like a slap on the wist is what they're getting. we should see. i'm going to try to be less skeptical. thank you both very much. >> up next, the politics of cruelty. imagine religion but without any empathy, kindness, or generosity of spirit. you don't have to imagine it because it already has a vice-like grip on today's republican party. we'll be right back.

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are rejecting their platform. mainly young voters. younger americans, the most diverse demographic, are more likely to sign up for supporting trump or upholding christian supremacy. voters between the ages of 18 and 29 had the second highest turnout in midterm elections in almost 30 years. and white voters in that age group defied the demographic history and voted in the majority for democrats. according to a recent harvest youth poll, only 12% identify as fundamentalist evangelical. it makes sense, right? young people grew up in a more tolerant society. they have seen a black president, more women and lgbtq members of congress. and they are recoiling at attempts by older white evangelicals, including on the supreme court, to try to snatch away their freedoms and their self-determination. it's quite the bind, isn't it? but one of white evangelicals own making. the religious right is in

decline, and the rest of america refuses to go down with them. because there isn't much jesus in the religious right anymore. it's all about cruelty politics, being anti-anything that isn't them. it's about putting up walls, fearing refugees rather than helping them. it's about eradicating the existence of lgbtq people. it's about the unbelievably inhumane consequences of their forced birth crusade, which has nothing to do with life, let's be clear, and everything to do with a raw contempt for modern women and girls. you know what's actually in the bible? the call to compassion, to love, tenderness, and courtesy. characteristics that are woefully absent in the culture wars, but especially in the war against wokeness. do you know what wokeness is? it's something republicans don't seem to understand or care for. but something richard fierro, one of the heroes who took down the doneman displayed, so

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nightclub in colorado springs comes at a time of rise and bully in hate spewing from the religious right, something republicans double down on. only two days at the rampage today, voters knew how speaker promised to ramp up the war against locus, aka, empathy, explicitly echoing's governors hostility towards dog shows, with the governor gleefully listening on in the room. what about herschel walker? his campaign released a new run off at targeting transgender athletes. >> they spend more time defending jack team start and then promoting science and reading. it is election,, moms and dads sent a clear message, our children are not your social

experiment. >> i am riley gains, it'll tie it see double a champion. >> and i am herschel walker. >> i've worked so hard, 4 am practices to be the best. in my senior year, i was forced to compete against a biological male. >> this is unfair. >> a man won a swimming title that belong to a woman. senator warnock voted to allow it to happen. >> again, it's been three days. joining me now is bishop william -- head of repairs about the breach. bishop, you are a evangelical question. talk about why white evangelicalism is so focused on me because it seems that is all there are into. >> first let me join the tears of those who will be crying about what happened in colorado. really the operative word is white and nationalists.

they have actually hijacked religious and christian and those words because truth about it is, true evangelicalism starts with good news to the poor, healing the broken hearted, welcoming all people regardless of who they are, caring for the least of these, welcoming the immigrant. what happens is, they hijack terms like christian and religious right, but they don't use those terms. the bible actually outlines what should be and what should happen. it's full of a lot of meanness and racism. it's as old as the battle between slave masters and religion and hurt tobin. you can see how the hatred against jesus look in realtime, because there's nothing about that jesus at the gospel to irat. you talk about sunday school,

that is similar to the. the question becomes, what do we do about it. what is somebody's of faith or not of different faith. you wrote a letter to the democratic party, in the nation right now. it's a pastoral letter, part of what you said. i'm troubled about the satisfaction when he seemed to have the political reality that will lead to continued policy violence. if the right is me, right, and the democrats policy wise are not, like their idea is that we will do more for more people, is there something more that democrats can do to push back against this cruelty? >> certainly -- >> not saying responsibility. >> that's right. first of all, as he said, a lot of people never talk about jesus, they just talk about their opinions as though being against gay is being forgotten. democrats must not fear engaging in these raw issues, they cannot when they decide to run, just run on law and order

and chase this elusive suburban vote. they need to double in on what they do. they need to run on law and justice. it to say if you elect me, we are going to pass voting rights. we went nine years without the voting rights act, and this democracy. they should be sick now, before we ask how we will pass, that they should say a left us and we will pass minimum wage. that we will not let 3300, that he doesn't people die because we don't have universal health care. candidates should run on that and be sure about the,, not runaway. they had to be strong. they also remember, a lot of young people are turning away but people who make under $30,000 a year voted 12 points higher for democrats it's time to expose the saying, run to justice, run to love. run to mercy. don't be afraid to shape things like moral issues. kennedy and johnson, and show

the difference between what made public policy violence looks like and what justice carrying constitutional policies that care for the poor and welfare looks like. run deep, run hard, go in the communities that you told not to come through. go to the deep south, tell them what will happen in their everyday lives, because you cannot let many have the religious high ground. you had a challenge every day in every way, and i think i'll to start right now. i'm not just be so -- that we offset the red wave. be honest about the losses and right now before the power changes, show them who you are, pass the voting rights act, passed minimum wages and pass the right for a woman to choose nationally. do it right now -- when he stuck the courts before he lost power, then use your

power, use your power to truly be a part of love and justice and pass the right act. those two renegade democrats need to come off and start siding with those who were in the mean category and start standing with those who want love, justice and mercy for all people. by the way, justice is not only a religious term, it's the first call of the constitution, establish justice. that's all we ever wanted, justice, love, truth and right. >> a man, and there's a session coming up, democrats have done great things in the. pass speaker pelosi has a fabulous history of using the lame duck to pass important legislation. but see what they do if they take your admissions. yeah, the white evangelical church, they might need to have to come to jesus moment, but they don't seem to like cheese is very much. we will see. bishop william barber, thank you my friend, i appreciate you. that is tonight's read out. i apologize for cutting him