hope within the images. there's a lot of solidarity of people coming together to work towards good which really brings, you know -- brings hope and light to the world. >> kathryn, thank you so much for being with us. it's really a fascinating collection that we're going to all be looking at. appreciate your time, kathryn. >> thank you very much. you can always reach me on twitter and instagram at jdbalart. follow the show online at jdbalart at msnbc. lindsey reiser picks up with more news right now. good morning. i'm lindsey reiser live from msnbc headquarters in new york. right now, we are following breaking news, another mass shooting. this one in virginia where late last night police say an employee opened fire at a

walmart killing six people before turning the gun on himself. police responding within two minutes of the first 911 call. >> we are all praying for the family, friends and co-workers of everyone that's affected by this senseless violence. your chesapeake community is here for you and will continue to be here for you during the difficult days, months and years ahead. >> we're live on the scene with the very latest on the investigation and what president biden is now saying. the shooting happening days after the deadly mass shooting in a colorado springs lgbtq nightclub over the weekend. the suspect in that shooting is set to make a first court appearance virtually in about 2 1/2 hours. and right now we're learning more about the suspect, including details of a name change years ago that may have obscured a troubled background. this footnote, a new defense court filings clarifying the suspect is nonbinary and uses

they/them pronouns. meanwhile, the heroic army veteran credited with stopping the shooter sits down one-on-one with nbc news. >> my whole family was in there. who is not going to go save them. i would do what i can to stop somebody from hurting them. that's what i did. >> we start with the breaking news in virginia and that deadly shooting at a walmart. cal perry is on the scene for us in chesapeake and i'm joined by clint watts, former fbi special counsel and national security analyst. we learned a lot more from police this morning including confirmation that the suspect was an employee. they don't have a motive yet. what more are you learning? >> yeah, look, a senior law enforcement official telling nbc separately from that performance that we heard over an hour ago that this was a disgruntled

employee. somebody who worked in the walmart behind me. the details on whether or not this person was on shift or not are still unclear. we know it was a male, the shooter, and he used a handgun. at least seven people dead including the shooter. police saying last night that they did not fire a shot. the investigation will bear out whether or not that is true. but early indications are that the shooter took his own life. there are at least four people, lindsey, wounded in hospitals right now. they are going to be key to any kind of investigation, especially when it comes to motive. we still do not know the motive. as you said, the president of the united states weighing in a short time ago, calling it a tragedy and adding, i think we have a full screen, this year, i signed the most significant gun reform in a generation but that is not enough. we must take greater action. we're grateful for the first responders who mobilized to assist victims and federal officials will provide support to the people of chesapeake. we've seen the fbi and atf on

the scene. they're combing through the parking lot. this shooting taking place at 10:15 p.m., two days before thanksgiving. 45 minutes before the walmart closed. it was very busy inside. >> people rushing to get last-minute items for their thanksgiving table. if you're an investigator on this case and you have a disgruntled employee shooting up a workplace on a busy shopping week, where do you focus the investigation? >> the main focus i think at the time of an incident like this to make sure it's not connected to any other activity or part of a broader plot. i'm sure that's where they're looking today to make sure that any sort of of uncovered lead has been covered just to prevent any further violence. beyond that, they're going to be looking to figure out what was the motive of this and then the third party, time and time again is how did this person get ahold of a weapon? was it legally purchased and acquired or did it come from

some other means. in this case, what i think is just extra pointed as we look into the thanksgiving holiday, we've had a stretch of several weeks now with mass shootings in many different locations and for different reasons. this appears at least from what we know so far, based on what cal was reporting, it was someone who knew the target and the target area. they may have known some of the targets they were striking. that is also very similar to what we saw with the university of virginia just a few weeks ago. add to that what this -- this terrible massacre that we saw in colorado springs, it is a very tough time in america right now. and i think everyone is very worried about when does the contagion effect stop. should we expect to see more of these sorts of attacks when we see one, oftentimes, we see a spade of them over days and weeks. >> people are watching right now and they're thinking another one. there have been 606 mass

shootings in the u.s. so far this year. the fact that it happened so soon after the shooting in colorado springs which we're going to talk about in a moment, what else goes there your mind in your years of law enforcement? >> yeah, i think the big thing that keeps coming back is, when you see one attack, it oftentimes just inspires people regardless of their motive, if they've been considering an attack, that they may do something similar. the idea may have already been there when they see a successful attack. they then try and move to the next step and that might be to do an attack themselves. i think that's what really troubles me on this. we've seen it in terrorism, we've seen it in mass shootings, we've seen it in one to one killings for personal motives at workplaces or at universities and schools. so that's what i'm worried about i think at this point, we're in that pattern which is, you know, are we going to see more of this kind of activity and when we get several of these in a row, how do we make sure that law enforcement is up on their feet and can accurately and effectively try and mitigate

some attacks. i think there's evidence out even from the "new york times" this morning that some attacks have been foiled. we're in this very dangerous period i think in the country. >> cal perry, clint watts, thank you. turning now to the deadly nightclub shooting in colorado springs. the suspected shooter is expected to make their first appearance in court virtually. it comes as we learn much more about the 22-year-old's background. here's the latest from colorado springs and i'm joined by scott mccoy, legal director for lgbtq rights and special litigation for the southern poverty rights center and a former federal prosecute who propertied the case against the charleston church shooter. walk us through the new details we're learning about the suspect and what else we're learning from that hero? >> reporter: in a filing overnight in court, the defense

attorneys said that the shooter identifies as nonbinary. obviously those who identify as nonbinary are also part of the lgbtq community. and so that's something that investigators are going to have to balance, especially as we learn more about a potential motive. we also learned overnight, our team interviewed a neighborhood of the suspect, a recent neighbor who was close with them and the neighbor said that the suspect had indicated in the past, expressed hate for people in the lgbtq community. they said that they -- the suspect is not someone that they would bring around their gay friends. we're waiting to hear more in terms of the investigation, in terms of whether the suspect has made any statements to police as they are set to appear virtually in court today. but as all of this is going on, this community is still healing. and the sense of safety and security in this safe space that they had at club q. i want you to hear more from the

hero who helped stop bring down the shooter. >> i hit him everywhere i could find. he had armor on. i know i found a bloody spot and i kept going on. i took care of my wife, family, and friends. >> reporter: now his commitment to protecting his community does represent what we've heard from people here mourning. it is a community that is very resilient. that's what we've heard time and time again here. people are looking for accountability because there's a deep sense of anger still as they're mourning the victims. the defense attorney plans to introduce those charges which would be hate crimes in colorado, the district attorney, excuse me, adding that there could be more charges added and those could be added over time. everything that we see today and in coming days might not be the final word when it comes to charges.

the district attorney added if there's any evidence for those hate crimes, they feel very strongly that they need to prosecute that to the fullest extent to make sure everybody here and across the country -- that those hate crimes are not tolerated. >> court documents show the suspected shooter changed their name before turning 16. that case was filed in texas. could you explain how that could complicate the investigation especially when authorities are trying to look into the suspect's background for clues? >> first, lindsey, i think it certainly does raise issues with identifying bias and also some mitigation in terms of his background. colorado does not have currently a death penalty statute. the federal government does, especially when tied to hate crimes. there's a tradition of those cases being prosecuted. it looks to me that it will maybe complicate his background a little, but it strikes me as an attempt early on by the defense lawyer, specifically, to

sort of identify whether he had some bias motivation, whether he identifies with a certain group and whether that identification may mitigate against any bias motivation. >> so, scott, as maura reported, it reveals the suspect is nonbinary. how do you juxtapose that revelation with the fear and danger felt within the lgbtq community? >> well, it is a rather odd development. i don't think necessarily that the perpetrator identifying as a member of the community that potentially could be the subject of a hate crimes prosecution is a defense. it certainly is possible. that someone from the community could be experiencing, you know, a high degree of self-loathing, self-hatred and has been spurned or in some way feels detached

from that community and that could motivate them to target the community and try to instill fear across that community. i think that's what would be needed to, you know, prosecute the hate crimes part of this. so, i think it necessarily takes the hate crimes prosecution off the table, but it adds a layer that the prosecutors and the defense attorneys are going to grapple with as the case unfolds. >> after the shooting, lauren boebert tweeted the news out of colorado springs is awful, this violence needs to end and end quickly. fast-forward to now and we have from our nbc affiliate in denver, boebert vowing to continue her antitrans rhetoric and rejecting calls from critics to be accountable for her words. saying it's disgusting to blame this on me and try to say i've

had bad rhetoric about the lgbtq community. that's completely false. you think after something like this, the rhetoric would cool off. what are you actually seeing? >> unfortunately, that's not the case. in the end, you can't spend years and years and midterm elections demonizing lgbtq people, working to pass anti-lgbq legislation and trying to inoculate yourself against you're a part of this problem by tweeting this is a tragic and it's terrible that it happened. what we've seen throughout the last year and even before and certainly in midterm elections is a concerted effort by right-wing people like her to drum up antilgbtq sentiment and motivate voters to go to the polls. and these right-wing influencers can't say, not us. they're attempting to influence

the people that listen to them with their rhetoric and words and motivate them to do something. and so they should or -- they should know or they know or should know that their words and their rhetoric can have consequences. and i think no one should be surprised that when you throw that kind of vile -- vile rhetoric out into the world you can't expect nothing to happen. and so it's great that we're going to have hate crimes and criminal prosecution for aldridge, the perpetrator, but we need to start thinking about, what are the accountability measures that we can take against these right-wing influencers to hold them accountable for their part in what's happened here. >> thank you. coming up this hour, we'll have much more on the investigation into that deadly shooting at a virginia walmart with another update. out of options, the supreme court clear it is way for house

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it is go time for millions of americans right now as they make their way to their thanksgiving destinations. today is traditionally considered to be the worst and busiest travel day of the season. some experts expecting a return to near prepandemic numbers. we're in the beginning of what experts say is the worst time to drive between 11:00 a.m. and 8:00 p.m. eastern. shout-out to anyone listening to

us on serius. gary is live from one of those crowded airports, reagan national in the d.c. area, and marissa parr is at a busy rest stop. i think of "planes, trains and automobiles." are you seeing any of those scenes where you are? >> reporter: we are right in the middle of what is expected to be the busiest time of day for airports, especially here at dca. it's not that busy. the lines are not that extensive at check-in and they aren't at tsa precheck or regular check in. looking at the departure board, it's a whole lot of on time flights. 4.5 million people are going to be traveling by air going to and

from their thanksgiving destinations. this is going to be a good stress test for an industry that struggled this spring and summer when it came to thousands and thousands of flight cancellations and delays due to the pilot and staff shortage that is we saw this spring and summer. aaa is saying get to the airport early. we're seeing a lot of folks say we got here two hours, three hours early. they didn't need to, but they're glad they did, just in case. here's what andy gross had to say. >> when it comes to air travel numbers for this year, we're almost back to 2019 levels. and true the airlines did have a lot of issues in the spring and summer and a lot of it was due to manpower. but we were -- we've seen that that has sort of gotten a little better. >> and as transportation secretary pete buttigieg said in a recent review with lester holt, he's been working all fall to try to make things better for the airline industry, whether

that's getting staff in the places they need or making the schedules more realistic for everybody involved. lindsey. >> marissa, we know gas prices are up. but that's not stopping anybody. because most americans are expected to drive this holiday. today is actually expected to be the worst day to drive. what are you seeing? >> reporter: so what we're seeing is this gas station and this parking lot behind me is slowly starting to fill up as we approach this really busy time. and the window of time is supposed to be busiest, we're in it right now. it's supposed to be from 11:00 a.m. to 8:00 p.m. today and the other busy time is friday 8:00 a.m. to 11:00 a.m. we were laughing because the longest lines that i have seen, the worst traffic jams that still remains the coffee shop inside of the travel plaza here. we talked to two people who were pleasantly surprised about the roads as they were filling up on gas just outside. >> are you surprised then to see

how open it is? >> i am. i am pleasantly surprised. >> reporter: what were you expecting when you headed out the door for work? >> i was figuring it was going to be one of those hour and a half commutes this morning to baltimore. >> reporter: and instead you're getting? >> about 45 minutes. >> reporter: so of the projected 55 million thanksgiving travelers, 49 million of them are expected to be traveling on the road. so really the majority of americans are getting around in these cars that we're starting to see fill up the roads little by little. things are looking good here. when i look on the maps here, made sure you're also looking because we're seeing a little bit of congestion, building red on the maps. you can check google or apple maps, so that's one big tip i have for you. i know google maps has a feature where you can anticipate the traffic times according to previous data and history that they've collected and one other tip, gas buddy, check out apps that tell you just how expensive gas is in your area because you can save a buck or two since gas

is still looking higher than it was last year. lindsey? >> well, looking good, hopefully people are in good spirits and being nice to one another. love to see it. thank you. still to come, much more on the news breaking overtime. a disgruntled walmart employee opening fire in a store. rocket attacks this morning in kyiv. the damage and power outages in ukraine's capital next. n ukraine's capital next find your beat your moment of calm find your potential then own it support your immune system with a potent blend of nutrients and emerge your best every day with emergen-c (woman 1) i just switched to verizon business unlimited. it's just right for my little business. unlimited premium data. unlimited hotspot data. (woman 2) you know it's from the most reliable 5g network in america? (vo) when it comes to your business, not all bars are created equal. so switch to verizon business unlimited today. i promise - as an independent advisor -

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russia is bombarding ukraine with a new round of strikes today targeting critical infrastructure like water and power. today's air strikes send a fresh plum of smoke over the kyiv. three people were killed and 11 wounded in that strike. kyiv's mayor says one of the people killed was a 17-year-old girl. right now, there is no running water across the city. these new strikes followed a russian attack that hit a maternity ward in the south of ukraine late tuesday. among the victims, a newborn baby. ellison barber is live from

ukraine and also joining me ben hojs. hodges. what's the latest you're hearing? >> reporter: air raid sirens sounded across the country. the ukrainian military, they're saying right now that 70 missiles were fired, five drones -- a majority of those, they say were intercepted about 51 of them. but some of them were not. you mentioned kyiv. the mayor there says that at least 11 people with injured because of the strikes. three people dead including a 17-year-old. president zelenskyy speaking out about this as well. he says that there are many wounded and people who are dead. ukraine's ministry of energy, they are calling this a terror attack. let me read to you some of what they're saying right now. they say this is a massive

attack on ukraine's energy infrastructure. civil infrastructure that provides electricity and heating for millions of people. again, they are calling this an act of terror from a state they say is a terror state that led to a temporary blackout of all nuclear power plants. most thermal and hydroelectric plants. for many ukrainians tonight, lindsey, it will be a very dark night and a very cold night here in kharkiv, the majority of the city is without electricity. lindsey? >> russia appears to be upping their attacks on infrastructure in ukraine. what do you think that says about their strategy right now? >> well, of course, these terrible attacks, the war crimes, they're murdering innocent people, and the attack on the power grid is designed to make ukrainian cities uninhabitable during winter time in hopes that that would put hundreds of thousands of ukrainians on the road into europe as refugees.

it's a weaponization of refugees which would presumably put pressure on europe capitals to put pressure on kyiv. this is a -- the russian tactic now because they're failing everywhere else, they want to drag this thing out and put pressure on kyiv. >> as winter approaches, what do you see as the next steps of this war? >> so, first of all, of course what the united states and the other 49 countries that are part of the ukraine contact group have got to continue delivering what we said we were going to deliver which is first and foremost air and missile defense to protect innocent people and the power grid. that's a part of it. but despite all this, of course, this is absolutely horrific, ukrainian forces have achieved irreversible momentum. there's no going back here. this is inevitable that ukraine is going to defeat russia and the sooner we can do that -- the sooner we can help them do that,

of course, the less of these kind of attacks we're going to see. i don't know what else it's going to take for the administration to decide that it's time to give ukraine more capabilities such as the rocket that would help ukraine defeat places where these attacks are originating. >> lieutenant general, interesting to hear you say that it's inevitable that ukraine will win. they have made incredible strides in this war. but we know there's a long road and a long harsh winter ahead. i want to ask you here, the european parliament as declared russia a state sponsor of terrorism. what effect if any could that have on the war effort? >> two things, i'm optimistic about how this is going to end because we know that war is a test of will and a test of logistics. ukrainians have superior will. the russian soldiers do not want to be there and their logistic system cannot sustain them through the winter. so that's part of the reason for

my optimism. and i think that by january or february, ukrainian forces are going to be in position to begin deliberation of crimea and crimea is the ultimate prize here. the fact that the european parliament with every nation supporting this is powerful because what russia hopes to do is to drag out this conflict to the point where nations lose the will to support people. when you get an international body like that that clearly recognizes that russia is the villain here, they're the aggressor here, this helps i think strengthen the will of capitals to continue supporting ukraine. >> that february deadline that you mentioned would mark one year since russia invaded ukraine. ben hodges, thank you so much. >> thank you for the privilege. we're following breaking news in jerusalem this morning. at least one person was killed, dozens injured in two separate

explosions at busy bus stops in the middle of morning rush hour. the victim was a canadian teenager. it's the first such attack on civilians in israel since 2016. israeli police believe they were carried out by palestinian militants and it comes as tension and violence between israelis and palestinians have grown in recent months. the u.n. says this has been the deadliest year for palestinians since 2006 and there have been several high-profile attacks in the last few weeks. turning back now to the breaking news we're following, the mass shooting at a walmart in chesapeake, virginia. right now we know a gunman killed six people and injured four others according to police. the gunman then took his own life. a senior law enforcement official tells nbc news he was a disgruntled employee. here's more from the scene. what new details are we learning

about here about what happened? >> reporter: this is a very active seen behind us. we've been out here since early this morning and right now the as the police chief said this morning, this investigation is going to take time. it's going to take hours, potentially days as well. i was just walking up and down where the press can be sanctioned and you can see this is a large parking lot behind me. we can't get very close to the front of this walmart or get clear access. it is very clear there's fbi personnel, there's the chesapeake fire department on the scene, s.w.a.t. teams were here earlier. a lot going on. we know a single car has been sectioned off in this parking lot. it's the first one that we've seen all day, that has been sectioned off. it's not clear whether this is the suspect's car. we are out to the police department to confirm that. but that is a notable sort of sign here. the suspect, of course, deceased. he's with a self-inflicted gunshot wound according to police this morning.

i also just spoke to a father and a son. this is interesting because we have not seen many people come here this morning or in the reunification center where i was last hour. it seemed pretty quiet. but the father and the son did say they were here last night. they were doing some last-minute thanksgiving shopping as you can imagine. this walmart was full in the last hour it was open as people were getting some of those last-minute items ahead of thanksgiving which is tomorrow. and they told me that they were in the grocery aisle and the sun was recounting how he ran out with his father. they were here to pick up some things, they said, and they were led back by officers. at this moment, that is all we know. the big question is the motive, of course. and right now as this is going on, governor glenn youngkin just ordered flags around virginia to be flown at half-staff tweeting in part that he's ordered these flags to be flown half-staff through sunday at sunset immediately in respect and memory of the victims of the chesapeake shooting, their families and the entire chesapeake community.

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lower chamber in january. trump is responding to the ruling on truth social this morning calling it, quote, unprecedented to be handing over tax returns. but we should note he's the only president who has refused to release them since richard nixon. joining me right now isual tax returns and they said they wanted to monitor how the irs was running its auditing program. the trump administration turned down the request and the trump justice department had a legal opinion backing that up. lo and behold, when president biden took office, there came a new legal opinion from the justice department saying, no,

in fact we should be giving these over. donald trump sued. the courts have ruled against him and now the supreme court finally has cleared the way for house democrats to get these returns and in their new requests to the biden administration, they also said they wanted to examine the returns for hidden conflicts of interest. there's weeks left with the house democrats in power and -- but they -- they don't have to give them back just because they're in the minority. they can have hearings and use this tax information to explore legislative options. they can even make some of it public. the law allows for that. they can put it on the house floor if they desire. >> so let's talk a little bit more about that. if these tax returns don't get to the committee before republicans take control of the house, the committee still has access to them, they can still do their investigations. what can we expect? >> well, actually, i don't anticipate -- i'm almost certain the biden treasury department probably is already currying these returns over to the house ways and means committee because

the justice department has said that's the law. there's no reason to doubt that they would get them. the thing is, they're not going to be in the majority come january. but they can still have their own hearings and also the senate, you know, is still controlled by democrats. the senate finance committee has an interest in this information and the senate also has a right to these tax returns. they can request them through the irs. the democrats have chosen to do this through the house. it's not clear to me whether they can ship them over to the senate. there's an interest in looking at these returns. there's information already out there reporting by the "new york times," raising questions about donald trump's tax deductions and his accountant reported that trump reported hundreds of millions of dollars of losses reducing his tax burden. a lot of interesting in donald trump's six years of taxes. >> thank you. americans burdened with student loans are getting some temporary relief.

the biden administration has now extended the pause on student loan repayments well into the new year. the expiration date was set to end at the end of this year but has now been moved to june 30th. it comes after a federal appeals court ruling blocked biden's debt we leaf -- relief plan. it would cancel up to $10,000 in federal student loan debt and up to 20,000 for pell grant recipients. joining me now co-founder and author of debt collective. while the president's plan is tied up in the courts, are you encouraged by this step, this delay? >> the extension of the payment pause is absolutely critical. it gives people much needed relief and gives the biden administration time to figure out exactly what its plan is going to be to cancel student debt. this is a promise that was made. people over the last few days,

in fact, have been getting emails from the department of education saying your debt -- your application for debt relief has been approved. this is something that people are counting on. polling showed that six in ten. huge numbers. 60% of people under 30 actually turned out in the midterms either very motivated by student debt relief or saying that was the only issue that got them to vote. and so, you know, this is a welcome step. it's insufficient and there are many -- there are other legal options for the biden administration to use to cancel student debt that aren't the subject of the litigation you mentioned in another lawsuit out of texas. >> so the people who got that letter are saying your application has been approved, but we had this tied up in the courts now. have you seen the letter? does it have any language about this right now as being litigated? >> yes. it says, you know, your application for relief has been improved. but right now it is being tied

up by the courts. and really important to say, trump appointed judges that we're talking about, you know, legal experts have said these are examples of judicial overreach. the president's authority to cancel student debt, using the specific legal basis, but it's really -- it can't be questioned. the department of education canceled student debt all the time through a wide range of programs. it absolutely makes sense that if you issue a loan, you know, you do not have to collect it. this is an ideological motivation. in the case that you mentioned that is leading to this intervention in the supreme court, six republican-led states claim that a student loan server based in missouri would suffer negative consequences because of

this. they wrote a letter and said we have nothing to do with this case. and that's not the facts. so the very -- the entity that their claiming is being harm has distanced itself from this. that's quite absurd. that's why it's important to lean on the other authorities that the administration has. >> i know that you're optimistic still that student loan debt cancellation debt plan will go through. if it's not, what options will be left for those who are really struggling under the weight of these loans? >> well, i am optimistic that it will go through and i think when they said 60 days after the court decision, i think that gives them precisely the window to use these other legal avenues to cancel student debt and to not cave to lawsuits that are brought about by right-wing billionaires, including the billionaires behind the case in

texas and, you know, debtors will continue to fight. i've been in there movement for a decades now, raising the issue when it seemed like a pipe dream. even in the last few years, the biden administration has canceled over $25 billion of debt for people in need of it, people who -- for-profit colleges, for people who needed disability discharges. debt cancellation is happening. people recognize that it's a crisis and so debtors will keep organizing. in fact, many are refusing -- are promising they will not pay back these loans. they're not going to pay back loans that the president of the united states of america said were going to be discharged and be off their shoulders. they need to pay for housing, they need to save for retirement. they need to feed their families. and this is why it's so important that the biden administration keep its word because people are not going to pay these loans back. >> we know it's a priority right now for the administration. we'll continue to watch it.

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the flu, 14.7 positivity. that's more than last year. rsv, 78% occupation of pediatric beds in the country, which is a very high level. there's not a lot of room to move there. there are other viruss that can affect children. covid, we are around 40,000 cases a day, between 300 and 400 deaths a day. it's starting to rise. you need to be extra careful, especially to protect yourself. hopefully, you are vaccinated. that can help. the concern is, it could -- things could happen over the next week or two as we see cases rise. make sure you have fun with family and friends but do it safely. >> how do we do that when there's no vaccine for rsv? we know rsv is sending a lot of

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right now on "andrea mitchell reports," another tragedy. six more innocent lives lost in a horrific mass shooting, this time inside a walmart in chesapeake, virginia, devastating families ahead of the holiday. >> we are saddened at the tragedy that took place in our community last night. we are all praying for the family, friends and co-workers of everyone that's affected by this senseless violence. >> we will have