spoke tonight on the the reidout . >> i saw the smoke leaving the gun. i was frozen. i just stood there. i literally could be dead right now. my coworker was bleeding out of her neck. >> a violent society where anyone of us could be the victim of a mass shooting while right-wing politicians refuse to do anything about it. plus, what we are learning about the colorado shooting suspect from his neighbors and his social media accounts. how he managed to obscure a very troubled past. also tonight, mike pence refused to talk to the general sixth committee about trumps instruction which could have gotten the vice president killed. now, there is new reporting tonight that the doj wants to talk to penson that he might do it. we begin with thanksgiving. today, we gather with friends

and family to enjoy turkey, stuffing, and pumpkin pie. we throw on the game and catch up on our lives and discuss or quite possibly argue about religion and politics. for millions of americans, it is a cherished tradition. as americans, we value those traditions. but it is also to unpack the myth of thanksgiving. it is a holiday riddled with historical inaccuracies. it is built on this myth that the indigenous welcomed their colonizers with open arms. a simplistic fairytale intimidation of a 1621 encounter between indigenous tribes and english settlers that erases the genocide that followed. it is the truth that republicans want banned from our textbooks because here is the secret they want so desperately to keep. we are a country founded on violence. our birth was violent. in 1619, a ship with more than 20 enslaved africans landed in virginia, ushering in two

centuries of american save the slavery that left millions dead. with those humans in bondage finally free, a terrorist organization that was a cart carrying member of polite society, ku klux klan, picked up where the civil war ended, using violence to maintain white supremacy. the clan is still active and as americans, we continue to choose violence. we are a country that chooses violence over and over again. there is no facet of the mark in society untouched by it. as the recent headlines remind us. human violence is not just american. it is global. while we are preparing for thanks giving, rockets rain down on kyiv and other ukrainian cities, knocking out power and water. at least three people were killed in russian airstrikes today, including a 17-year-old girl less than 24 hours after officials said a newborn was killed. our country is thankfully not being invaded by a foreign power, as is ukraine,

but it is not engaged in a civil war, like in yemen, and yet, our people are facing the same types of weapons that these people are facing in war. a semiautomatic weapon barely different from the weapons should soldiers are using ukraine. it can appear anywhere bit republicans made sure of that. so on any day, at any moment, you can get shot and killed at a supermarket or a mall, or hospital, or at your workplace. in a cemetery. at a nightclub or a concert. at a movie theater. at a parade. at a birthday party. even at the most sacred of spaces, a synagogue or a church. and that far too many schools. in 2022, there have been more than 600 mass shootings in the u.s. the bodies are not even. before the next one takes place but today, a colorado judge ordered the suspect accused of gunning down five people, held without bond. it was the defendant's first court appearance.

we woke this morning to news of another mass shooting at a walmart in virginia, by a manager who opened fire on his fellow employees, killing six people. this time, with a pistol. oh, variety. it is the second high-profile mass shooting in four days. we now know the names of the victims. they are lorenzo gamble, kelly pyle, randall blevins, and time he cut johnson. the sixth victim is a resident of chesapeake whose name is being withheld due to him being a minor. there were three college children shot in the same state. devon chandler, lavell davis, and deshawn perry. how much more bloodshed will we tolerate? how much longer will we cower in fear, looking over our shoulders whenever we are out of our homes?

how much longer? and now, look closely. how much longer must our children indoor active shooter drills in elementary schools? how many more empty seats at things giving dinner? there is a way to fix it and possibly end it. instead, we are trapped in a cycle of gun violence that feels permanent, because an extreme minority that has infiltrated congress, loves guns more than they love people. whether it is their beloved ar 15 style semiautomatic rifle, the favorite weapon of mass shooters, including the shooter in colorado, or the pistol, like the one used in walmart, we are stuck in this loop. because america continues -- no. insists on choosing violence. violence that makes history's biggest global colonizers, the united kingdom, blush. as british journalist gary young explains. >> i lived in america for 12 years. i often felt the threat of being shot dead.

i occasionally feel the threat of being beaten up. i know which one i would rather do. >> joining me from chesapeake, virginia is monica perry. also joining me is rebecca and host of the podcast award with jason johnson. along with chris brown, president of the brady campaign. thank you for being here. what do we know about the shooting in virginia? at the walmart? >> we know it happened at 10:45. that happened 45 minutes before the walmart closed. you see where i am standing right now. how many times have you rushed to a walmart to a store before closing to get those last items? that is the way that this store was last night. it was packed just before closing. the 31-year-old man walked into the store with a pistol and a few clips and shot dead six people. three, including himself, inside

one of those employee break rooms. somebody else, an employee died at the front entrance. three other employees managed to make it alive out of the walmart, but died in nearby hospitals. we now know that all of those killed worked at this walmart commitment of the shooter who took his own life was a manager. now, please our continuing to look through the scene behind me. they want to get all the forensic evidence they can. there will not be any kind of legal action here because, of course, the gunman is dead. i want to address your overall point, though. it is about where we are as a country but i spent the day here reporting all day. one of the things i was struck by was members of my crew witnessing people walk through here with their side arms openly because this is an open carry state. earlier this morning, there was a false alarm of another shooting. police descended on that store. and, look.

it has made everybody wonder, especially me, what do you do if you're a town on edge and you see somebody with a gun in an open carry state? there is nothing you can do. it confuses the situation even further for a town that is on edge, for all the reasons that i said. it just seems to be a competing factor. in virginia, there are certain towns and cities where you cannot openly carry, but you can hear. it will be interesting to see if we hear from our state senators. we have heard from some today, who are talking about shifting legislation, but i don't need to tell you, we often hear that in the aftermath of attacks. >> this is why i'm afraid to shop in virginia. people walk around with guns. we have seen a case in ohio, where someone was walking around with a toy gun and got shot by police. he was considered to dangerous to hold a toy but i wanted to talk to you about this because the governor of virginia said thoughts and prayers. he didn't use the word gun. he left that word completely out.

i want to show you how his lieutenant governor brand with him when she was on the ticket. here was the ad. this is a picture of it. that is how they ran. the whole idea was book bans and guns. so your thoughts on his thoughts and prayers? >> well, look, that is completely counter to what the vast majority of virginia and i, joy, in virginia, want and need from our state. we are coming up, actually, this next year, in 2023. we will have another election. it's in virginia. i think and hope that gun violence prevention is on the ballot because before we had this governor, we have a governor that ran and won on gun violence prevention but we

accomplished what everyone in virginia said was impossible. we passed six laws to really change the demographic, change the nature of gun violence prevention in the state of virginia. young ken ran and won not on this platform per se, but he is beholden to the gun industry. so it he and the legislature in virginia want to do is actually rollback all of that. and to your point, it is a very, very dangerous and scary place to be if you don't feel that you are shopping, you are going to church, you are dropping your kids at school, and there are basic safety measures in place that can protect you. it's not just why we need change in virginia. it is why we need this senate in the lame-duck session, joy, to pass the assault weapons ban that passed the house, and the background check expansion that are both pending in the senate. they need to take both of those bills, and that will save lives.

maybe not these particular mass shootings, but a lot more, and some of what we just heard about. people would be saved. >> and you went to college in virginia. you lived there. there are certain states where you know it is open carry. texas and ohio and virginia. places where i personally feel on edge. it is really everywhere in this country, where you just know that you could get got in walmart. you could get caught at school. it could be in church. there is no where that is safe. there is not another country where not only that, but people run for office. we are just going to go there and stick them up. people run for office and say, look at this country look at it. look at this computer look at this gun. i have guns. i have lots and lots of guns. here we are. that's the number of firearms per person. only yemen comes even close to the number of firearms per person. we are a country where politicians actually run for

office, saying, i might be deadly. >> i don't get it, joy. it affects me because this is not a journalist or a college professor. but between mother emmanuel, which killed an old friend of mine -- a pastor -- and what happened at uva, where i went to school, the dc sniper, whose last victim was at the gas station that my family uses before getting on the highway on 95, these aren't abstract stories to me. these are places i have been. and not for work. they are just where i live my life as a regular person. we are two weeks away from an important midterm. i hope that people had these ideas in their heads when they voted to stop the red wave. there is a solution to this. the solution is don't get crazy people in office. but for state senators and governors who are going to say, no, you don't need to carry a

job gun in church. i don't think jesus is concerned about that. that is where we find the solution to the fact that so many americans can say, yo, i was there yesterday. i walked through that walmart. i was at the grocery store. i had to keep checking. that is not the kind of country we want to live in. it is not the country were thankful for. >> this is cut for. from my director. i want to go back to you on this, kel. you have been a war correspondent. have you ever been in a country where people -- work politicians do this? you know. if your country is like under siege. if you are in ukraine, you can't let people know that. these are american television ads. have you ever seen anything like this in any other country where you have been where he have done journalism, cal? and keep playing it while he answers that question.

spoke to go ahead. >> i have never seen it. >> i've never seen it anywhere like this but i'll give you an example. when i was in ukraine in february and the war started, the government of ukraine had a debate about whether or not to hand out firms to everybody in ukraine. they decided to do so, but the resistance was that they didn't want ukraine to become america after some more. that was the conversation that they were openly having. i spent part of my time living in london. i know you have a connection there. people in the united kingdom view the united states as having a gun fetish.

the number of guns in this country, and i cannot see the monitor, but i imagine you put that on the screen. the number of guns in this country per person is completely and totally ridiculous. the idea that we are going to take guns off the streets if you talk to people overseas is absurd. the last thing i'll tell you is -- as i said, my relation to firearms goes all the way back to the beginning of my career as a journalist in early 2003, the war in iraq. i see what firms have done during the war in iraq, the war in lebanon, the wars in syria, thor and yemen. i see what farms do in war zones. they do the same things here. the high velocity round fired from a weapon here in the united states does the same damage as a high velocity round fired overseas. now, the gunmen today -- last night, i should say, use the pistol, but he killed six people in a very short period of time. the police arrived on scene here four minutes after the initial call went out, and it is not clear how many were people are were already dead. >> there you go. there is barely any difference between an ar 15 and an m-16. it's just not automatic, but it does the same thing because it was made to be almost exactly the same on purpose. >> cal perry, jason johnson, thank you very much. i'll talk to the colorado reporter who learned quite a lot from the neighbors of the

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today we got a glimpse of the suspect of the shooter in club q in colorado springs. it answered three basic questions. aldrich is being held without bail on five counts of first- degree murder and five counts of biased motivated crime causing bodily injury. hours before the hearing, the public defenders claimed their client is not very merry and uses they them pronounce. conservative media outlets have waived that claim. that it is right-wing rhetoric toward the drag and community has led to an explosion in hate crime. after the hearing, the district attorney prosecuting the case assured reporters that he is non-binary. it has no bearing on how he

would prosecute the case, including whether to charge hate crimes. they took the word of an accused killer. it would be good to get the facts and stick to them. so here is what we know. the daily beast is reporting that in a prior arrest in texas, aldrich notes his sex as male. additionally, the daily beast was able to view text messages from the day of the shooting, where his mother uses he and him one mentioning aldrich. writing for the daily beast, rebecca hopkins spoke with one of his neighbors who referred to himself as a friend of aldrich and claimed that aldrich kept an assault style rifle and a burner phone in his one-bedroom apartment", used the f term a lot, most of the time, it came from a place of anger. media reports note that he was a member of the church of latter day saints but has not been active in the carter springs wreckage location.

they condemned the shooting. a local affiliate spoke with the fathers a former actor in films. embarrassment over which he says prompted his son to change his name and his mother to claim he died and has a documented history of drug addiction. here's what he said. >> it is no excuse for running and killing people. i'm a mormon. we don't do that. >> officers maternal grandfather is randy bhopal, has liberated the generous sixth instruction. he said he has not had a real insulation ship with his grandson in 10 years. media reports show that aldrich was an active member and an online community that was notoriously anti-gay and just so happened to probably tout kill count for mass shootings

but rebecca, thank you for being here. talk to me about what the neighbors of this alleged shooter told you. >> sometimes in these cases, with violence, you get neighbors saying, we had no idea where it we are surprised. we are shocked. i would say this is the complete opposite, from the very start, talking with a couple of the neighbors. there were red flag after like after red flag and definitely with that theme of homophobic slurs and attitudes and violence. yeah. they were shocked in some ways but not all that surprised. certainly, there was a red flag. >> did any of the neighbors ever indicate to you that aldrich ever claimed to be non- binary? >> no. i was totally shocked to hear that piece of news, and i would say -- the indicators were yes, using homophobic slurs.

the way the neighbors talked about him, they used he him. the text messages they showed with his mom, referring to him as son. he, him. there was no indication of that on monday. >> so the father claimed that he did not have any contact with him in over 10 years and also said that the mother told him that her son was -- after his name was changed. does it say anything about the relationship with the sun? did they ever witness how they interacted with each other? there is this previous case of him threatening to blow up her house. >> yeah. they lived together in two different places. one place she lived by herself and he lived with the grandparents. in the same neighborhood. in the second location, it was

up until a a few months ago. it was a one-bedroom apartment where they lived together. he slept on the couch. she slept in the bedroom. but there was fighting between them. so, yeah. it was kind of a mixed situation, i would say, but heavenly, those red flags were really clear. >> i was going to say. they went to the gun range together. that was the other thing they would do together. as part and was the indication by the neighbors that he already had ar 15 style rifles do sure that he was acquiring more -- because i read from your reporting that he was trying to invite neighbors to go with him to the shooting range. >> yes. he would show them to his neighbor. they would go to the shooting range and talk about going to spit specific ones that would allow that rapidfire kind of practice. and again, showing these videos of him at the gun range, his mom there, his mom sent the

videos to his neighbor -- it was a big theme. >> and the mother is the daughter of a california congressman, and outgoing mega conference man. he claims he has not had a personal relationship with his grandson. did you have any reporting -- it is the grandson of a prominent person who seems to have had the record of his previous violence wiped out. is there any reason to understand why that happened or how that happened? >> i mean, i don't have any information at this point to report on whether it was somebody trying to, you know, because of political reasons or because it's a person in power expunging that. in colorado, it is allowed for cases that are dismissed for various reasons to pretty easily get those records sealed, and so, i'm not sure.

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in the criminal investigation, the justice department finally gets to talk to someone who no one else has heard from under oath before. former vice president mike pence. new reporting says the doj is seeking to question the former vp as a witness in connection with that probe, according to two people familiar with the matter. despite rolling out ever speaking to the generous sixth committee in the house, he is open to considering the request. the discussions are going to be in the early stages. pence was subject to the pressure campaign inflicted by his former boss. trump publicly and privately urged him to block

certification produce a target of the mob that stormed the capital. this comes after what has been a bad week legally speaking for trump. the supreme court denied his last ditch effort to stop them from getting his tax record and an appeal court seems likely to throughout the special master in the investigation into his handling of classified documents to name a few. join me now is barbara mcquay, and msnbc leo analyst. this idea that pence is considering the request, kenny just consider it? can he just be like, no. >> unicom there is an old adage in the law that says selling to the effect of the grand jury is entitled to everyone. it's a case during the watergate era that even accounts for a sitting president. the idea that a former vice

president could say nothing's is ludicrous. what he may be talking about is cooperating without a subpoena. he is considering that, perhaps. i think he would fill in this way. >> is anything that he says to the doj -- it is under oath, by definition, right? >> welcome he could be interviewed. it is still a crime, regardless of whether it is under oath or not, he is bound to tell the truth there. it is not like lewandowski testifying that i'm under no obligation to the media. testifying to a grand jury, or simply answering questions from the fbi or other government agents. >> let me read from the new york times piece. it has completed the situation. it is about whether trump might try to invoke executive privilege to stop pence, stuff that he is taken with limited offense so far with other

officials. what would be the chances of trump being able to prevent pence's testimony? >> think little to none. i think he will try. we have seen him play his card in his attempt to prevent them from turning over white house documents to the generous sixth committee. they ruled that in the interest of interest getting these events outweighed any executive privilege that might exist. there's the additional factor that the court didn't consider it there. there is another factor and that it is that it is the incumbent president who possesses the privilege. it was joe biden who would decide whether or not to invoke the privilege or not. the president should consider that. in this instance, the goal is to protect the interests of the country. i can't imagine that they would

use it here. >> let me play a little bit of the generous sixth hearings. this is jade jacobs talking about the vice president refusing to leave. >> the secret service directed us to get into the cars. that's what i did. and then i noticed that the vice president had not. so i got out of the car that i had gotten into. and i understood that the vice president had refused to get into the car. the head of his secret service detail said i assure you, we are not going to drive out of the building without your permission. the vice president said something to the effect of, tim, i know you and trust you, but you're not the one behind the wheel. >> this is a layperson -- it seems that chris that the president -- this would be like donald trump shooting someone

on fifth avenue, the person surviving and him saying, there is executive privilege. you can't talk to that person. they are the victim. pence is the victim. he is one of them. can you assert executive privilege over the person against whom you attended to commit a crime? >> you know, it seems absurd. that is why i think this plate will fail. i think ultimately, it will fail. the point of executive privilege is to promote candor when you have a sharing advice and their impressions with the president. they're looking over their shoulder. >> that's not what this is. this is reacting to a final attack. everyone that they were relevant. they want to know why he wouldn't get into the carpet was a because he believed that the -- was he worried that it

was some nefarious activity going on in the secret service? >> he was on with president trump when he discussed whether mike pence single-handedly took the election? i think only he can provide the first-hand testimony that would be required. >> absolutely. i think it is essential for the generous sixth committee, too. barbara mcquay, thank you very much. always appreciate your expertise. okay, before get a break come out to play a little sound from republican senate candidate herschel walker today. take a look. >> at any time, i will debate joy reid. senator warnock, he is asleep. in the debate, took him to school because he was talking about a lot of things he didn't do. i can do the same thing with joy reid. i think she can sit on tv and it's easy to talk. -a man who worked my entire

life. i sent the front of a paycheck. they have never done any of that. they have never done any of that. they don't know how to do it. i do. i say, any day of the week she wants to debate, she can draw. and i'll debate her, as well. she can come up with the subject and let's go at it. >> okay, herschel. come on. seriously. we reached out to your team. we will have you on the show any day. just tell us one. i do want to make one thing clear, herschel. you can't bring your friend. your little friends there? you can't bring them pretty you have to do this debate on your own. but come on. the doors of the church are open, like the pastors say. and we will be right back. bac.

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♪ spoke for more than four decades, award-winning filmmaker ken burns has been one of our country's preeminent historians. in his latest book, america, a photographic history, brent presents a collection of his favorite photos that is described as embodying nearly 200 years of the american experiment. in his most recent pbs document, burns examined a difficult period of that experiment. turning his -- to the response during the holocaust. >> we challenge americans to think about what we would've

done, what we could have done, but we should have done, >> in our better moments, we are very good people, but that is not all there is to this story. >> and ken burns joins me now. it is always such a treat to talk to you. a guru for all of us want to be documentarians. thank you for being here but >> it's great to be with you, joy. thank you for having me. >> there's wish to talk to you about. want to talk to you about this book. it is beautiful. fabulous images of america. tell us. what are we going to see in this volume, and what are we going to experience? >> so it's been a labor of love for 15 years, joy. i worked on nights and weekends on it while i was doing my film. i'm rooted in photography. my father was an amateur still photographer. my mentor was a still photographer. his photograph in 1940 graces the cover of the book.

all i have been thinking about this for years. i'm trying to return full belly to photographs. there are 250 of them. one to a page. minimal captions pretty you look at them and you drink them in. it is all of us. good, bad, the gold. joyous. funny. natural beauty. the entire story of us. it is there. all the stuff we're talking about today. indian schools. in carlisle, the capitol building. and earlier architecture. inauguration. peaceful transfers of power. the statue of liberty. jewish immigration, all that stuff is their bid and really, to be honest, it is my america. i think there is too much of that division now. we have a website called ken burns.com, it is trying to have a conversation with people and celebrate what we share in

common. what i have learned if i have learned anything over the four decades is that there's only us, and there is no them. once it is us and them, we are in big trouble. >> i saw your latest document terry. it was so good. you confront issues that are difficult to talk about in this country. i thought holocaust survivors, you know, and their children tell me that they feel like we are in a sort of 1930s moment. in this country, where there is an openness to fascism that they haven't seen since that era. and what do you make of american resistance to understanding the difficult parts of our history such that we won't repeat them?

>> you know, it is such a wonderful question. it goes to the heart of all of my work. you know, history doesn't repeat itself. as mark twain is supposed to have said, and rhymes. all of my work seemingly safely in the distant past, are not safe. there's an america first committee. what is, you know, drop pass. we are always on the precipice. we see all of this flirtation with authoritarianism, as he put it. in fact, a month ago, here in a piece about how people are concerned about democracy and it is way down on the terms of the midterm stuff. we are taking a sigh of relief. the battle isn't over. but what it says is that that concern about the fragility of our institutions -- never were things like a free and fair election or the peaceful transfer of power quotient. now they are questioned, in the middle of a pandemic with all

sorts of bullying and divisions. i would urge people to look at this. sometimes, i think and an opposite of a thing archer at the same time. you can actually appreciate this if you're married, if you have children, if you have good friends. you understand it is not absolute. a great progressive writer was asked by an acolyte what he liked thomas jefferson. clearly, because of his ownership of slaves. history is not melodrama. it is tragedy, which means to me, in melodrama, every villain is perfectly villainous. every hero is perfectly virtuous, but life and history, >> if you run away and put your head in the sand and don't confront the real tough stuff. >> and so brilliantly said, no it is perfectly good unknown is

perfectly evil. there's a fact in the country that's demanding the thousand father has be perfectly good. otherwise they won't allow anything else to be taught in school. >> the guy who articulated is still a century of enlightenment thinking. into one sentence, we hold these truths for. that is interesting, that is who we are. if you want to bury race, you have basically essentially said that we want to abnegate our position as the best country on earth. that is to say we want not to be the best, but we want to be

ordinary. we want to have our head in the sand and be ostriches. have at it, a lot of this is put a little posture. it's more than half of one political party that believes the other political party is better. they suck the blood of young children. it's just a two party system where we often disagree with each other. but we don't demonize other people in the sum subhuman thing. which is functions of an out-of-control media environment. the eight of everyone is allowed to do and the ego, the super eager that keep this in check. but our election just said no we don't election deniers. we don't want these people who think these fabulous stories are true. maybe it's compelling, gets a good laugh. we want our democracy to continue. we want to have a two party system. we want to respect people who

we disagree with just as we hope they will respect us. so, my work has always been about telling a complex story that doesn't throw the baby out with the bathwater. it's not so revisionist that everybody isabella. and that is the same melodrama as the other end of the scale. we just have to be honest. >> ken burns you are not a pastor, but that was a. suriname just gonna go ahead and say a man. you'll >> ken burns, thank you very much. be sure to tune in on friday for more of my interview with the great can burns. congress moves to address the justices inflicted by european settlers on americas indigenous it'll or's. we will be right back. right back.

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holiday for many reasons. i mean, it is a food holiday. come on that doesn't mean we should buy into the whitewashed history. our kids are trying to put the wonderful mill share between the programs in the native americans. the generation of that lovely get together because of the pilgrims, more so now we're writing american history. it's another violent action taken against it indigenous people of this country.

that's treaties almost always being violated. but now this congress is taking steps to make amends for one of those broken promises. in 1835, united states signed the treaty the cherokee nation that led to 16,000 members for stop their lands in the south. ultimately leading to a trail of tears, 1200 mile journey which is now oklahoma. 4000 cherokee's died on that truck. part of the treaty included the promise that the cherokee nation should be entitled to a delicate on the house of representatives whenever congress makes provision. and of course that never happened. but last week, the house rules committee held a hearing to a long time cherokee nation officials to be seated as a non voted delegate in the house. the first delicate of a tribal nation to celebrate their.

>> indian tribes have not had many champions. we have had few, they are dynamic. so, this treaty would give us another seat at the table. and whenever formulating policies and laws that impact us. so, addressing infrastructure, housing, health care, public safety. but also supporting things that speak to our culture and who we are uniquely. such as protecting our native language. >> there are still a number of steps being taken until one unfulfilled promise can be filled. it would truly be something that we could all be thankful for. that is tonight through. don't have a happy thanksgiving, all in with chris hayes starts now. >> tonight on all in. >> the presidents words were reckless. it's clear he decided to be part of the problem. >> prosecutors investigating the coup are seeking testimony from the former vice president.