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the senate. it does strengthen their hand in the senate. kemp is trying to stay in the races. kemp wants nothing to do with herschel walker. and he proved that during his campaign for governor. and no one wants to touch herschel walker, but they have to stay in the good graces the republican party. so they do their due diligence. they do what the party is asking them to do. >> yeah, it has been quite effective this entire race. charles globe, great pleasure to have you on. have a good holiday, thank you. >> the two, thank you. >> that is all in on this thanksgiving eve. you know, i realize today that this is the tenth one of these where we have done. for those who have been watching throughout, i think you, have a great holiday. all of you, alex wagner starts right now with ali sherman and as who is in for alex, good evening, felicia. happy thanksgiving to you, chris, and thank you. and thank you at-home for joining us this hour. alex is of course off tonight. we have a lot to get to on this thanksgiving eve. including details about the latest mass shooting in america.
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or should i say shootings? floral. is the suspect accused of killing five people in an lgbtq club in colorado springs this weekend, this is a judge for the first time. even as people thousands of miles away when the victims killed overnight a woman in virginia. much more on that ahead. we will also talk to the winner of alaska's sole house seat, nbc has just projected that democrat mary portola is the winner of that seat, she will be returning to washington instead of surveillance. we will get her reaction to her victory in just a few minutes. tonight, we are gonna have multiple conversations about accountability. legislative accountability, electoral accountability. but we are gonna start with legal accountability. the legal accountability that may be coming for former president trump. tomorrow, a new law passed earlier this year in the state of new york goes into effect. this called the adult survivors act. that first in the nation law creates what is known as a look
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back. essentially, a one-year period for adult survivors of sexual abuse who missed the original statute of limitations to bring civil of seats against their alleged abusers. but that means for former president trump, that the writer, eugene carroll, who has publicly accused trump of raping her in a department store dressing room in the 1990s, it's going to follow lawsuit against trump on that claim tomorrow. so that matter will finally actually get litigated. now, you might remember that because miss carroll had previously been buried by the statute of limitations for charging trump with her rape allegations themselves. the legal fight with the former president had center around defamation. carol accused the president, trump called a liar. carol sued him for redefinition. he crux of trump's legal defense was simple. the statements carroll was suing over were made why he was president.
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and as president, he can say whatever he wants. no accountability. now, while -- while as that sounds, that was legally viable argument. trump messed up. last month, he called e. jean carroll a liar again. smack dab in the middle of his statement, there is this. quote, eugene carroll is not telling the truth. plain as day. carol is expected to file a second defamation lawsuit against the former president for those statements tomorrow. and trump no longer the president, which means that either he has to prove that e. jean carroll is lying, or he could actually be held accountable for defamation. so that is on the schedule for tomorrow. but even before that, this week has already been a terrible week for the former president legally. on monday, we got the news that the manhattan district attorney's office is looking to
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potentially restart its criminal investigation into the 130,000 hush money payment former president trump allegedly paid to adult film star stormy daniels on the eve of the 2016 presidential election. not one also a little funny, because of trump had remained a new york resident for the past few years, a statue of limitations for that case but also have passed. but in part to get away from his legal woes in new york, former president legally changed his state of residents to, yep, florida. shortly after leaving office. that froze the statute of limitations for that case. so a bit of an own goal on trump's part there. yesterday, of course, we got the news that the supreme court ruled against trump and his case against the house -- committee. which means that finally, after all of these years, the treasury department is going to send them trump's tax returns.
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now, that came on top of the news yesterday, south carolina senator lindsey graham testified for more than two hours to a grand jury in fulton county georgia. he testified for their investigation into trump's attempt to overthrow the 2020 election. and then, on top of all of that, in the past 24 hours. we have gotten to eight pieces of news in the two cases against president trump that the department of justice just handed over to newly appointed special counsel jackson. first, panel of judges in a federal appeals court signaled yesterday that they are likely to end former president trump's length the special master reviewing the mar-a-lago documents case. federal judge in florida had ordered that the special master should decide what documents the justice department can get access to. effectively, slowing that whole investigation down for months. well, now it appears that the whole process is likely to go away. the special counsel jack smith is likely to get access to all
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of those documents sooner rather than later. it is for the second case that the special counsel smith just inherited. the justice department investigation into january 6th, trump's attempt to overturn the election. the new york times has out -- bombshell new investigation about that report tonight. the headline reads, justice department seeking to question pence in january 6th investigation. according to people familiar with former vice president mike pence's thinking, he is, quote, open to considering the request. pence was a central figure in president trump's effort to overturn the election and it would be an invaluable witness. but at least when it came to the house investigation matter into pence, had always staunchly refused to testify. so his cooperating with special counsel, that would be a huge leap forward. joining us, now michael schmidt, washington correspondent for the new york times. and one of the reporters who broke this story. michael, thank you so much for being with us tonight.
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talk me through the timeline here. what is it looking like? >> so, we know that in recent weeks, before the appointment of the special counsel, thomas windham, the lead investigator on the january 6th investigation. the one looking at whether trump broke the law when he and his allies tried to overturn the election reached down to pence's side to say that they wanted to talk to him. now, it will be many weeks if not months before the government hears from pence. because pence will have to be subpoenaed. and trump will try to stop this. trump will try to assert his executive privilege. this is a play that he has run before where he has tried to use these claims to stop former top white house aides from speaking with investigators. so far for trump, this has not worked. but it has slowed the process.
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and when you have someone like a vice president, and you have questions of privilege that a former president is trying to assert, it will become a very formalized process. this is not just something where investigators or fbi agents could sit down with pence and do a quick interview. this will be something that there is a lot of back and forth in. my guess is that a judge will have to get involved at some point. and eventually, if the government really wants to hear from pants, they probably will. >> right, to your point, this is a play that we have seen before. and most of the time, what is succeeds in doing a slowing things down. part of your reporting tonight is that this request came before attorney general garland appointed jackson as the special counsel in this case. do you have any sense if it that has slowed down a little? >> no, there's no indication it has. look, these investigations that the special counsel is inheriting our to fully formed
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investigations. the government has been looking for many months at the january 6th allegations that trump broke the law when he and his different associates were trying to come up with schemes to essentially try to get the vice president to pick who won the election despite what the actual results were. the other investigation, the mar-a-lago one is well along. it has, there has been a search warrant that was executed at trump's home in florida. the government has interviewed many different witnesses. those investigations have -- been done by these lying prosecutors who will be absorbed by the special counsel's office. a special counsel himself, mr. smith, who is coming back from being -- where he was trying these were crimes, he was a war crimes prosecutor. he will have to get up to speed, he will be the one who asked to make major decisions about
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whether to grant immunity, why did you execute search warrants. whether to offer a plea deal. major investigative decisions like that. but the work of these investigators will continue and can continue while he is getting up to speed. will it slow it down? my guess is not a noticeable way. but i standing on the outside looking in will be able to tell. the attorney general went to great lengths last week when he announced the appointing of the special counsel, that this would not slow the inquiry. so that is sort of where it stands. >> mike, it strikes, me i'm sure it strikes you, that so much of what pence experienced has already been made public from his january 4th oval office meeting with trump lawyer john eastman, to the conversation between pence's chief of staff and lead secret service agent on january 5th. warning that the president could turn on prince himself. your sense of what the justice department's most interested in
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hearing directly from pence himself? >> well, my guess is that they want to know what trump's efforts were to pressure him. how under pressure did he feel from the president. did he feel like the president was trying to rope him into a criminal conspiracy? did they think that pence thought that what trump was doing was -- just hearing the account of the vice president. just remember, pence was the center of trump's efforts on january 6th. the people who stormed the capitol said hang mike pence. the president wanted pence to throw out the electors that were there for biden and pick his electors to allow him to stay in office. it all came down to pence. he was the central fulcrum of what trump wanted this entire thing to pivot on. so you would want to hear from him. you would want to know what his accounts were of his meetings
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with trump. we know that at times, pence had aids in the room. whether other interactions that trump had with pence in which there were other discussions about this? how did pence's accounts of these meetings hold up with other individuals that were around the white house at the time. is their differences between the two? what kind of witness would pence make? -- these are all things that if you are an investigator, trying to look at everything that went on around january 6th, this is one of the most important people you want to talk to. >> mike, talk us through how pence sees this request from the doj as legitimate well not seeing the request from the 16 committee that way. how does the square up? >> well, i think that there is a few things. the congressional committee never subpoenaed pence. so there has never been a formal request for his
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testimony. he said while he was on a book tour last week that congress was not entitled to his testimony. i think there is some argument out there that the vice president doing this would set a bad precedent of sorts. sometimes arguments of precedent are made when people don't really want to cooperate. he has criticized the committee, saying that it was partisan or whatever. at the end of the day, if the justice department subpoenas him, there isn't really much that he can do. if trump is able -- not able to assert privilege, pence will have to cooperate. and it will be difficult for there to be privilege claim for a range of reasons. one of them is that trump doesn't control it anymore. the current president does. and i don't think biden is gonna allow trump to assert privilege to stop this. and pence has written about some of this in his book. so if he was able to put it in the book, maybe the government
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will make the argument, well, if you can put it in a book, why can't you talk to the grand jury about it? so he will be sort of legally compelled, ultimately, to answer these questions. and i think that he sees the criminal investigation from the department as something that is department as something that is more significant
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with only five weeks left on the calendar, 2022 already on track to become the second highest year foremast ratings in america. more than 600 incidents rewarded. it is according to the gun violence archive, the nonprofit group that tracks gun violence in this country. shooting that broke the 600 mark was colorado springs. five people died saturday in the shooting attack on club q, an lgbtq gathering place making it the 601st mass shooting incident this year. the suspect in that attack made their first appearance in court today, via video. -- to be held without bond. dispensatory's for the suspect that in court papers filed last night that the shooter identifies as non binary and uses they them pronouns.
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they are facing five murder counts and may also face hate crime charges, but the motive behind the attack remains unclear. the deadly shooting at a walmart in chesapeake, virginia overnight was mass shooting number 607 this year. the man armed with a handgun and multiple magazines opened fire inside his store, killing six people, for killing himself. the suspect has been identified as a long time walmart manager. the motive? at this point, it is also unclear. chesapeake police released the names of most of the victims tonight. they are 38-year-old brian pendleton, 52 year old kelly pile, 43 year old lorenzo gamble, 70 year old randy blevins, all from chesapeake. 22-year-old, tanika johnson from portsmouth, virginia. police did not identify or release a picture of the sixth victim, a 16 year old boy from chesapeake.
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so for mass shootings 601 on saturday to mass shooting 70 -- six or seven on saturday -- that means in between, in those three days, there were another five mass shootings in this country. that is more than one mastering per day. number 600 into, also happened on saturday in washington park, illinois. one person was killed, three injured. number 603, also saturday in philadelphia, mississippi. one killed, six injured. number 604, on sunday, tennessee, oklahoma. for killed, one injured. number 605 on sunday in dallas, texas. four people were injured. number 606 happened yesterday in west palm beach florida, two were killed, two injured. and today, an incident in philadelphia left four teenagers injured, mass shooting 608. the number 608 just prefers to mass shootings. gun violence archive defines
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incidents where four people or more are shot or killed. not including the shooter. but if you take into account the total number of deaths from gun violence in this country, all causes. that number exceeds 39,000. just in 2022. and again, that we still have five weeks to go. in virginia alone, there have been three mass shooting incidents in the last ten days. six people killed at the walmart store last night, three people killed at the university of virginia on november 13th, and another incident in chesterfield county last friday in which a mother and three children were killed in a quadruple homicide. gun reform advocates point out that virginia's republican governor, glenn youngkin, managed to tweet about the latest mass shooting in his state without using the word gun, gunman, or shooting. governor youngkin was also asked today about gun violence
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in virginia. and he said, quote, we will talk about. we will talk about this. today is not the day. it is not the day. but it will be. and we will talk about it. well, if today is not the day to talk about it, when is that day? if there is a shooting, every day, and the clock is constantly resetting. won't it always be too soon? joining us now -- executive director of guns down america and author of guns down, how to defeat the nra and build a safer future with fewer guns. as always, thank you for being with us. you know, we have more than 600 mass shootings so far this year. more than 39,000 victims of gun violence. three mass shootings alone in virginia in the past ten days. it seems like it is not too soon to be having this conversation. >> no, we should be talking about this every single day.
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of congress who don't want to solve this crisis. we want to use it as an opportunity to help the gun industry sell more guns than i am convinced that the overwhelming majority of americans reject that kind of approach. and support us doing what we know works. tightening our gun laws. investigating in our communities. making sure we actually regulate the gun industry. and we just need our champions, our legislative champions to build more success that we saw just this year. and continue to fight. frankly, again, those virginia senators and this colorado senators whose states were rocked by the latest tragedies, it is their responsibility to privately lobby chuck schumer and to publicly call for a vote. because we can't wait two more years all the house and -- republican, hands until we actually try to get some of these bills up to the presidents desk. >> executive director of guns down america, thank you for
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making the time for being with us. much more ahead tonight here for the second time. less than three months with a democrat in alaska has beaten sarah palin to be elected to the house. the results just came in. next, we will talk live with congresswoman mary padilla. and then, elon musk making may think he is trolling the libs. but in reality he is doing something much more dangerous. details ahead. details ahead. technically when enamel is gone, you cannot get it back. but there are ways you can repair it. i'm excited about pronamel repair because it penetrates deep into the tooth to help actively repair acid-weakened enamel. i recommend pronamel repair to my patients. (vo) after fifteen years of the share the love event, to help actively repair acid-weakened enamel. subaru and our retailers have donated over two hundred and fifty million dollars to charity. in fact, subaru is the largest corporate donor to the aspca... ...and the national park foundation. and the largest automotive donor to meals on wheels...
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election day, we can now say that incumbent republican senator lisa murkowski has survived a challenge from trump backed candidate kelly tshibaka. and candidate mary peltola has beaten sarah palin. she's held on to the states solo house seat. if you're wondering why we are just getting those results, it's a little bit complicated. alaska is a huge state, with some polling places in areas with no road access. it takes time to get those ballots in. necessary checks of absentee ballots against voter rolls also takes time. that is before you get to the tabulation of the vote count it happened just a short time ago. alaska uses ranked choice
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voting, in which voters rank their preferred candidates in order. since no candidate got more than 50% of the vote in these races, it went to an instant runoff where the candidates with the fewest votes were eliminated. their votes went to the next candidate choices, until a winner was announced. in the case of alaska's single house seat, this brings an end to erase that feature the state's former governor, and a republican who is running for the seat. the result, also the second set victory this year, for democrat mary portola who first when this house seat in an august special election, and served the remaining term of don young, who dwight died in office. joining us now, congresswoman-elect mary peltola of alaska, thank you so much for taking the time to be with us. first, your reaction to your winter night? >> hi, alicia. it just feels so good that it's over, over seven months of this campaign, two campaigns.
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a special, and then the regular election. it feels great to have this wrapped up. >> good that it's over is an honest feeling that i think a lot of us can relate to. across the country, we're seeing republicans questioned fair and free elections, attacking the elections process we even see it in this race, with one of your opponents calling for a repeal of rank choice voting, wanting to get back to quote, fair and free elections. i wonder how concerned you are about this sort of movement gaining traction as it relates to your state. >> i'm not sure how much traction there is to eliminate voting at this point. clearly, they are our detractors, and it really takes power away from both of the parties. i think we saw from both parties, establishments that they were not in favor of this system. clearly alaska has spoken, and
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they have participated. it hasn't been nearly as concerning as other states lead you to believe. i'm a big fan of rank choice voting at this time. >> indeed. alaska voters are set to go back to washington with a mandate to get things done. your sense of what that can look like in this context? >> i served in the legislature for ten years, but that was 14 years ago. i started 24 years ago. things weren't nearly as partisan, both in washington d.c., or in state legislatures. we have really seen partisanship take hold, and i think that's one of the good things around ranked shaw is voting, is that it attract more middle of the road candidates. the precludes party systems from creating a system where people are trying to out-democrat each other or out republican each other. you get more mainstream votes, and the mainstream of the voters. >> there's a process itself,
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and then there is the way that you are positioned yourself in this race. you have run a pro fish, pro choice, pro worker campaign. not often you sees all of those words side to side. not only flipped a republican seat, but you held on to it. i wonder what message you think that sends about what's possible for democrats to achieve in red states? >> i think as long as you are not part of the cliché language that most americans are very tired of, and certainly alaskans, i can speak from personal experience, and my own experience. we're talking about real issues that affect real people every day. things like access to medical care, things like abundance in
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our national resources, and i think that those kind of issues really resonate in alaska. >> nothing kelly say about pro fish, pro choice, pro worker. mary peltola of alaska, joining us tonight from her victory party. that's the noise that you hear in the background, the key so much for being here with us. >> thank you. >> hate speech is seeing a rise on twitter under elon musk. -- joins us after the break to discuss twitter's inability to moderate content on the platform, and how that's negatively impacting society at large. stay with us. with us over the last 100 years, lincoln's witnessed a good bit of history. even made some themselves. makes you wonder... what will they do for an encore? ♪♪
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fear and exactly crippling the community. he told local reporters that art will not solve any problems, but again, we just want to put the message out there that we support the victims. art as a way to process, more, and provide some support in the wake of an attack on a group of people that is often the target of hate in vitriol. a community that faces a steady increase in hateful rhetoric, and violent threats ahead of the mess shooting on saturday. a recent study by the anti-bullying organization founded over the past three and a half years, 15% of the 10 million social media posts that they analyzed more transphobic. that figure is not counting rhetoric -- the anti-lgbtq+ language online legislation, like florida governor ron desantis's don't say gay bill, which bans discussion of gender identity, sexual orientation from some
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public school classes. or the preparation of the lgbtq hate groups over the past few years. before the shooting, threats against the lgbtq community had intensified across the country so much that the fbi issued a nationwide warning to local law enforcement weeks ago. the national president, kate ellis, said to the colorado son, quote, you can draw a straight line from the false and violent rhetoric about lgbtq people spread by extremists and amplified across social media to the nearly 300 anti lgbtq bills introduced this year. the dozens of attacks on our communities like this one. and so it raised a lot of eyebrows this weekend, when the new ceo of twitter decided to reinstate accounts that were banned for their anti-trans posts. it counts they held the anti-lgbtq harassment policy.
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those anti-harassment policies might not be in place for much longer. musk took over the company last month, and asked twitter's trust and safety team to review the company's policy against dead naming. since he has been at the helm of the committee, he is overseeing a stream of layoffs, resignations, and sick outs that have -- he has overseen the return of accounts belonging to kanye west, whose account was frozen for antisemitic comments. former president donald trump this week, trump -- allowed a russian embassy account to post an antisemitic cartoon of ukraine's president, volodymyr zelenskyy. also since musk's takeover, use of hate speech like the and word jumped 500%. now musk seems to be allowing accounts on his platform to defy rules against hate speech, and instead has joined the
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courts. last night, he posted this video making fun of t-shirts that he found in a closet at twitter headquarters. the t-shirts had that -- they reported that the teachers were from the black employee resource groups. they were meant to support black employees at the company, and draw attention to police violence against black people. the shares were made after michael brown was killed by a police officer in missouri. hard to process, to mourn, to provide support. but musk apparently, he found them funny. what does it mean? a person running a platform where hate speech is surging, decides it's funny when his employees stand against him. what does that mean? joining us now, angela corson, president and ceo of -- i don't mean that last one as a rhetorical when.
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what does it mean about musk's leadership? >> i think there are three layers of harm that people should consider. one is that when you start to invite this, you welcomed these accounts back, when you say these types of things are okay, when you rollback policies that are in place to protect these communities, you have direct harm to the individuals that receive this harassment. then you have this layer on top of it, which is the actual temperature. the more of this stuff that pollutes the stream, the more of this hate and vitriol gets injected into twitter, the more that the rhetoric and temperature ramps up, the climate gets worse for everybody, and it just makes it much more violent, much more likely to lead to violence. that's the second thing. the third is the scale. it becomes a problem for people that have never even touched twitter. twitter leadership, you're just going to see more tolerance and acceptance of these attacks, you're going to see within the mechanics of twitters engineering itself.
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not just changes to policies, but also shifting or allowing the algorithm to actually amplify and organize around this hate. that's where the individual harms start to become much more systematized. that's the real concern here, even though that video in these illustrations demonstrate the trend line that we're moving toward, rollback the policies and enforcement, welcome these people back, and then privilege all of this type of behavior that you actually are scaling it and organizing. it is organizing, but at an algorithmic level. >> i want to lead into the third point you made there. there are people who say that i don't have twitter, i'm not exposed to this. that's not how it works. this all shows up in our day to day life. it shows up in legislation that gets proposed in states. talk us through the mechanics of how that happened, and how it's more dangerous in a moment like this. >> when this kind of content it's left out, i think that sometimes people say that sticks and stones will not
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break my bones, why do you care about harmful content when it's targeted towards marginalized videos. it's more than hurt feelings, and i think people need to understand that. the more you leave this content up, all of these platforms know how long individuals stay on that content, how much they interact with similar types of content, and it begins to build profiles and lookalikes. what it starts to do is say, hey, here's somebody that's never thought about this issue before, maybe you don't express any indication of anti-trans violence. but based on all of these factors, you might be very interested in this. here's some lies and misinformation about what they're doing at the local schools, and that's the problem with this idea that if you don't use twitter, it doesn't affect you, because it does. twitter than, like these other platforms, becomes engines of radicalization. they also provide the tools for
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online and offline harassment. we're keeping in mind the part of what musk wants to do is build more capabilities on twitter foreclosed organizing like we saw on these other platforms. he wants to make it a one stop shop for both hate, harassment, and abuse, and also off line action. that's where it starts to affect everybody, even if they don't care about twitter. >> angelo i have a couple minutes left. talk us through how this gets rinsed and repeated by people in positions of power. >> what ends up happening is that if you're in a position of power, especially in the republican party, this organized power on what used to be considered the fringes. that's partly how donald trump and so many people to the rules in 2020. these are people that never touched politics on the far-right, but he's organizing power there. what that means is that you have elected officials to begin to validate and pander to this type of percolating extremes and misinformation, which makes it much more legitimate.
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it also starts to enshrine it in policy, and everyday life beyond the norms that start to put this kind of hate and harassment into law. we've all seen that kind of trend over the last couple of years. it's just a few examples of that, happening everywhere. >> angelo carson, it was not a fair question to ask you to answer in 30 seconds, and somehow you did it. thank you, president ceo of media matters. thank you for your time tonight. up next, a major ruling from the georgia supreme court that has democrats cheering as senator raphael warnock's runoff election, stay with us. n, stay with us. teeth sensitivity as well as gum issues. does it worry me? absolutely. sensodyne sensitivity & gum gives us the dual action effect that really takes care of both our teeth sensitivity as well as our gum issues. there's no question it's something that i would recommend.
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will be an extra special one for those living in georgia, now that voters there are less than two weeks away from a runoff to elect a u.s. senator. foreigners are now able to cast a ballot this saturday in the race between democratic senator raphael warnock and republican herschel walker, following a decision today from the georgia supreme court to allow early voting to begin on saturday. the court's decision blocks an attempt by the state republican party to restrict early voting on the only saturday that voters will be able to cast in early ballot in the runoff. republican secretary of state, brad raffensperger are reviewed that georgia law specified that early in person voting could not be held on a saturday following a thursday or friday considered a public or legal
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holiday. of course, tomorrow is thanksgiving, and friday is another holiday in georgia, one that formally honored robert e. lee. fulton county overrule the secretary of state, and now the supreme court has upheld that ruling. georgia supreme court today, also issued another ruling that could boost turnout in the runoff election. they reinstated the state's ban on abortions after six weeks of pregnancy. one that is widely considered extreme, because it bans abortion for most people before they even realize they're pregnant. it helped turn out voters for democratic candidates in the midterms earlier this month, with some citing it as the reason that the republicans were able to -- it is a notable narrow majority. we should herschel walker win, vice president kamala harris will still be needed to break any ties and 50 50 votes.
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