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new york. as we come on the air new developments in the deadly shooting at a walmart in virginia. the gunman identified as a store employee. justice department prosecutors are looking to question mike pence but will he sit for that testimony? in new york final preparations for the macy's thanksgiving day parade which steps off in an hour. we'll look at the security measures in place. we are going to begin with new developments in the investigation into that deadly shooting at a walmart in virginia. this morning we have learned all six victims were walmart employees and a 16-year-old. the suspect described a former co-worker as paranoid but not vie leptd. he was armed with a handgun and multiple magazines.

julie, what more are we learning about the suspect, the victims and what happened tuesday? >> reporter: this thanksgiving six families with empty chairs around the tables tonight. i want to start with the six victims that were identified last night by police. gamble, pendleton, pile, blevins, johnson and a 16-year-old minor. a makeshift memorial is having people overnight including this morning on a holiday. people laying flowers. killed by the overnight manager been with walmart for 12 years. police secured the scene. inside the store and the moments that this happened.

take a listen to a woman actually able to escape and just started this job about five days ago. >> he knew when to come in. he knew that we had that meeting at 10:00 every night. he wept left. he wept left. and he had both -- like, he was ready to go. he could have went right. there's a lot more people over here. he chose to go left. i will never forget that. >> reporter: she said it will never be the same. you can imagine the 50 or so people shopping in the store. today police after investigating with the fbi pouring over a

vehicle of interest. still searching far victim and there are a few people in nearby hospitals. >> he knew we had that meeting at that time every night. shedding so much light on what happened. help us understand what the fbi and local police are doing as these clues emerge. >> a bigger thing to think about is the attacks from colorado springs to university of virginia, another set of killings in idaho. is this tied into a launcher network for motivation? doesn't seem to be the case but specific to the target. seems like he knew the people he was working with. do we see this contagion effect going around the country? there's been several other plots i believe one in new york city

disrupted online. i think ron will talk to this is the evidence response why they're very good to provide that support. lping out locals in terms of the extra capabilities that most police departments don't have. that's probably where they focus the energy in this investigation going forward since the perpetrator was known. >> rob, what do we know here about what investigators are doing on the scene and how with anything that helps move this forward. the suspect turned the gun on himself. what do you know about what's happening right now? >> yeah. they could be looking at a lot of things. phone, emails. did he have signals to other

people. looking at how long was he planning this? i think you can look at the history of purchasing the gun. him being -- working there had a knowledge. he may have rehearsed this in his head. like when you have a bad supervisor and think what you will say. this may have gone through his head and the victim said he turned left and not right. he may have rehearsed it walking in that 10:00 shift change meeting was going on at that specific time. might have been a fantasy and two prior events may have triggered something in him that he wanted to also -- might have been notoriety or something like that. that's where the psychologists

lookal those things. >> so disturbing. two mass shootings back to back. what sort of moment are we in as a country? >> yeah. the scareiest is a holiday weekend and that means large gatherings. that's what i'm most concerned about. one thing that's different from 2019 or 2018, we were then talking about a specific shooter type. young men around a white supremacist ideology. this is different that it's personal motivations. we don't know or understand the motivation and why these shooters have taken on the targeted attacks and it is a blend and makes it more difficult to police. ones a suspect of these in some sort of terrorist ideology or hate ideology is they are

detected online. you know the target. you can look for them. personal motivations blended with that, a school or workplace is tougher because you don't have the sensors to get in front of these things and i will be nervous through the weekend. these things tend to come in bursts and this is a middle of one right now. >> same question to you, rob. >> yeah. i think stress is the holiday. as these get more common may be the same stress of the holidays trigger the events to be acceptable and people see them more. a lot goes into it and the fbi will have to start taking a look at how can we try to predict the things like with the behavioral science unit. >> thank you.

let's go to colorado. the suspect accused of gunning down five people appeared virtually in court wednesday. the 22-year-old could barely speak with face and head injuries, a swollen eye after being taken down by club goers saturday. steve patterson joins us. what did we learn from that court appearance? >> reporter: this is a hearing of a few minutes to inform the suspect of rights and the charges and make sure they are physically and mentally fit to be part of the justice process. mostly what we learned is visually, gels with the story and the account we heard inside that night club that this suspect was battered. that they were pummeled by patrons and club goers that police say did everything they

could taking action to neutralize the shooter and no further death. the second piece which was in the court filing. the defense attorneys listing the client as nonbinary and completely contradictory to the reporting on the ground that a text miss and had he/him and bro. that has to be squared between now and december 6 with an in-person court hearing which will have formal charges. this community in abject mourning and sadness. i have been speaking to family members. a mother tells me that he is waiting almost in every room to walk through the door complete

sadness and pain. we spoke to the rest of the family. >> somebody that we miss very hard to know that raymond who was always happy, happy man. he was always thinking of doing things. joining the air force. never wanted anything from anybody. he just -- he was a free spirit. >> reporter: you can hear the pain in her voice. hard to listen to at points. raymond was the boyfriend of cassy, the daughter of richard that took down the shooter. they have been in constant communication seasons the shooting. >> those interviews are heart wrenching. his grandmother mentioned the moment she found out and called

at work at a restaurant and yeah. just so much anguish in that moment. thank you. up next, the big event today here in new york city. the macy's thanksgiving day spectacular is about to get underway. new york's finest keeping an eye on the crowds to keep everyone safe. talgia. so to help you remember that liberty mutual customizes your home insurance, here's one that'll really take you back. wow! what'd you get, ryan? it's customized home insurance from liberty mutual!!! what does it do, bud? it customizes our home insurance so we only pay for what we need! and what did you get, mike? i got a bike. ♪ only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪

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here in new york both the crowds and the giant balloons are pumped up and ready to go. the 96th annual macy's thanksgiving day parade starts in less than an hour. kristen dahlgren is there. we have 3 million people expected. great weather today. how are the crowds where you are? >> reporter: yeah. happy thanksgiving. what a day out here. great energy. take a look at the crowd. these people have been out here

since early this morning. as you said 3 million people along the 2 1/2-mile parade route and it is going to get started in less than an hour. we have the 16 giant inflatable balloons. 28 floats. 12 marching bands. going to be 700 clowns out here. 5,000 volunteers to kind of make it all happen. just a huge, huge spectacle and this crowd is ready for it. >> i hear santa will have a special welcome this year. >> reporter: right! this is huge. mariah carey is opening up for santa singing right before him. she tweeted it's a childhood dream and going to be huge. a lot of really great musical

performances happening at the square. it comes down here and then the musical performances at the end and then the big man santa claus finishing it out. >> i introduced my daughter to that christmas classic. thank you. >> you bet. back with us now is clint watt. of course this is a tradition, an incredible day. people lined up having fun but we have that in the back of our mind. no specific or credible threat to the parade. what additional steps are the nypd taking? >> it is morn to remember that across the board nypd is the best police force in the word to deal with situations like this. you can tell they're the best

prepared. they have an excellent intelligence division and monitoring threats. they do vulnerability threats. separately they have great forces in terms of both using overt law enforcement that you see there on the streets an plain clothes and other team there is to do quick response and synchronized and lots of them. i'm impressed with very rarely on a street corner in new york city you don't see a law enforcement officer. there's a lot to detect. their technological capabilities are remarkable. they look for anything that seems out of the ordinary. anything that seems like an

individual to do harm but they do good checks and not seeing a credible threat they are there to respond. >> what about other events in the city? this is the best force to reckon with. there's the tree lighting is wednesday. >> yeah. in all of these situations it comes down to where do you get the tips and the leads? the challenge for new york city which is always if you look over the last 20 to 30 years is individuals that pick new york city that don't live in new york city that don't live there. from the individual to the group or terrorist level. they do a great job to sensing those and with the joint task forces and federal and international law enforcement pick up the tips and leads.

i think they will be well prepared or as best prepared as they can be. it is a world where it's dynamic as we have seen and look for that contagion effect and hope there's no major incidents this holiday weekend. >> thank you. happy thanksgiving. the justice department wants to call on mike pence part of the january 6 investigation. what are the chances that will happen? this is msnbc reports. powerful relief so you can restore and recover. theraflu hot beats cold.

it looks like former vice president mike pence has a major decision to make. "the new york times" reports the justice department is looking to question pence in the investigation into january 6. that's according to two people familiar with the matter. according to "the times" pence is reportedly considering how to respond. joining me is former republican congressman david jolly and legal analyst glen kirshner. this is not an official

subpoena. strategy hasn't been successful with trump. would it work here? >> no. i don't think so. the courts have already spoken on donald trump's frivolous claim of executive privilege which is nothing more than donald trump trying to shut down witnesses who can provide incriminating information against him. i think the courts see that. i was disturbed hearing mike pence say he is closing the door on testifying and followed that up by saying congress has no right to my testimony which i find deeply disturbing because congress is investigating to see what legislation might be needed to prevent the next insurrection and more mike pence to say congress doesn't have a right to

that testimony. he can close the door on january 6 committee testimony. he can't close the door on a federal grand jury subpoena. >> he didn't close the door on talking about the events in miss new testimony. what's the calculus here? >> yeah. first this is a strong indication that they are getting closer to the president himself. take the early witnesses early. this is a sign that the investigation is close to the president. the calculation here politically for mike pence is interesting. he is a politician who has not been able to use the prez to his advantage. he seems to fumble the ball with it. i would suggest to the point on january 6 mike pence politically missed an incredible opportunity by not testify.

if he indeed thinks that the president of the united states did no wrong he could offer a defense to play well within what will likely be a republican primary. he is in this pinch where the only outcome looks like he has to turn on the former president. a subpoena's a subpoena. let's see what happens. >> "the washington post" reporting that january 6 committee staffers are angered and disillusioned. they worry that other important findings will be obscured. >> yeah. donald trump was made the unique bad actor in the january 6 hearings and should have been. he laid the predicate. he is ultimately responsible. there's a broad network of people that financed this and participated in this.

let's see what happens. i imagine the special committee comes out with enough information on all of this. i think what we are seeing in liz cheney is somebody wrestling with her own future. a lot of people have taken that journey. i don't know that it's a successful one for the soon to be former congresswoman. >> former president donald trump finds himself in a spot. >> when the attorney general appointed jack smith as special counsel things took a real turn for the worse for donald trump. i think we can look back and garland was a judge. before he became attorney general. i think he carried that with him to the justice department. maybe too much judge and not

enough prosecutor but jack smith by all accounts is all prosecutor and we can see the pace he is setting with this new information about how let's get mike pence in and on the record pronto. donald trump's fortunes gone from bad to worse. >> we have fresh midterm results from alaska overnight. murkowski won reelection in the state. democratic congresswoman peltola beat palin. joining me right now democratic strategist adrian and david jolly is back with us. we have murkowski and petola defeating trump backed

candidates. what can we read from the victory? >> electoral reform works. it is the most aggressive state in reform. they have a single state primary in the summer where all candidates and all voters meet. they elect four people to move on and then use ranked choice voting. murkowski is a republican to take what is at times a more moderate position and vote to impeach donald trump. and you can have a democrat saying i will putt alaska first allowing the consensus of alaskans to decide. a lot of reform proponents are saying look to what alaska did. we start to change the behavior of the elected officials. >> a swing vote in the senate. do you agree with david that

this sort of may allows her some influence to be more of a moderate voice or to buck the party? >> yeah. david took the words out of my mouth. this is something that the states are looking at. if your second and third choice candidates are not first they get something. it allows moderates to get through and doesn't just work on the republican side but the democratic side. yeah. the great thing about murkowski and with the warnock seat is major issues she sided with democrats. i'm not saying that it's a guaranteed second vote on every single piece of legislation for democrats but she has sided with the democratic party depending on the vote.

going forward the more moderates on both sides of the aisle and cham befrs the -- chambers the better we are. depending on the district but factoring in second and third choices in the overall picture it elevates the moderate voices. >> coming to sarah palin's defeat, made huge splashes winning the gubernatorial race epa the choice for mccain. does this defeat tell you the party moved beyond her brand or her specifically? >> why ran desantis has to run for president now. republican politics is moving. when the vote on the affordable care act happened in the senate

and john mccain voted to keep it, wow, look what happened. the former standardbearer of the party is with dems. she just lost the race and now on to the lake and desantis stage. the republican party moved fast. brought on initially by donald trump and celebrated by the party writ large. >> mary petola won a first full house term as the first native american woman to serve in senate and the first democrat to win since 1970s. >> it's incredibly significant. alaska's not a state that democrats focus on in the presidential election so the fact that we have a democrat there that flipped that seat for the first time in several

decades is momentous and historic given the fact she is native american. it gives democrats another vote that we need now given the fact that republicans narrowly taken over the house and it demonstrates the fact that alaska -- i don't know that necessarily means to compete there in the presidential level but opens the door to more democrats holding office to gain power in that state. >> let's talk about that razor thin margin in the house. how do you see things playing out? >> i will be surprised to see mccarthy be speaker. what has to be promised to go

completely crazy with investigations or stamp back on then? i think it is to impeach joe biden regardless where the facts go. >> all right. thank you. sticker shock. rising cost of just about everything. what it means for the holidays and the year ahead. is sleeping. in 99% of people over 50. it's lying dormant, waiting... and could reactivate. shingles strikes as a painful, blistering rash that can last for weeks. and it could wake at any time. think you're not at risk for shingles? it's time to wake up. because shingles could wake up in you. if you're over 50, talk to your doctor or pharmacist about shingles prevention.

whether hosting or bringing a side dish today is one of the most expensive thanksgiving meals ever. at a safeway grocery store in washington d.c., marissa we have the eggs to the bird to pay more. how do people feel about it? >> reporter: i just watched someone try to pick out a turkey and the eyes bugging out of the head. it is more expensive.

just the average cost of a meal for ten people up 20%. and then the crown jewel the turkey up more than 20%. we talked to a food analyst why we see the sticker shock coming to turkeys. >> anything that's made with grain or gets fed grain like a turkey has a huge cost increase. and that is driven much by the fact that ukraine is having a hard time exporting but the biggest problem is general inflation level, everything from wages to transportation. >> reporter: that's not all. you said it yourself. we see the rising prices and ingredients. fruit and veggies up 10%. flour 25%. butter 34%. eggs 43.

it's not just the turkey. popular ingreed cents we need for the popular dishes. >> but about the food banks? >> reporter: yeah. across the board food banks are seeing an increase in demand and a decrease in donations. feed america day had a 60% increase for assistance from illinois tori ri. not everyone is able to make it to a grocery store for a turkey. maybe something to think about is donating to the local food bank. >> great idea. thank you so much. many retailers rolled out the black friday deals. where can you save the most?

>> americans are dealing with sky high inflation. but that doesn't necessarily mean there won't be deals to be found. >> reporter: amid a growing unease in the nation's economy the dash is on for deals. with consumer prices up 7.7% and 1 in 3 households saying the finances are worse off. shoppers are left with tighter budgets. >> retailers are aware that consumers have only so much to spend rmp before black friday many are offering deep discounts. the most discounted items this season from tvs, lap tops to home appliances and beauty products. consider older models are a better deal. many retailers have extra deep discounts this season with excess inventory. >> we are seeing overstock and

retailers spending months trying to sell through the merchandise. >> reporter: which could lead to deeper discounts. >> i expect to see deeper discounts than usual in casual apparel, tvs, furniture and so in addition to the exciting cyber weekend sales to see is extra discounts as they look to clear out the overstocks. >> reporter: shopping with strategy will save you big bucks. start with a shopping list with a spending cap and compare and don't forget about gift cards. you can get some of these at a discount this holiday season. back to you. >> thank you. we are joined by jillian tett. happy thanksgiving. thank you for being with us. with inflation high do you think

americans will be spending less this holiday season? we talk about inflation but the store is packed. what does this mean for the economy? >> one of the amazing things is that consumer spending held up so far. the impact from the inflation is hitting people unevenly. asset prices have been inflated until recently and some households still got that cushion that was given out in the pandemic. so at the moment there doesn't appear to be a dramatic impact. the question is what's will happen going forward. it is worth remembering an important point that it's not just about tangible goods like turkeys. it's also about services and one of the most significant areas of inflation in thanksgiving is

aaron tickets and the costs of travel going up. 46% higher than this time last year. >> i hear you there. from personal experience. if people are looking to get deals, where can they find them? a lot of stores do black friday. is there a sector in particular to scoop something up? >> it is hard to say right now but one thing that's significant is internet with so much competition but going online and particularly towards the end of the holidays could be a winning way for deals because they will be under pressure with the supply chain problems to offload stock and to try to make sure that they hold up the earnings for the year. so waiting a bit and going online could be the secret. >> what about the workforce?

we hear of companies thinking about layoffs or acting on them. what are we seeing there? >> again one of the things that's striking is there suspected a sign of a massive pain in the labor markets. when it comes to wages labor market trends are benign and so what policy makers are trying to work out is this just a delay effect if you like from some of the tightening from the federal reserve or show that the american economy is more resilient than people were fearing? we don't know yet but rite now this situation isn't a reason to press the panic button. people can enjoy the thanksgiving meal without being too depressed. >> jillian, thank you so much.

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good morning and happy thanksgiving. lindsey reiser at msnbc headquarters in new york back with you for another hour. right now on "msnbc reports," the macy's thanksgiving thanksgiving just begun. it's taking its way through midtown man. we are live for all the fun and we're going to talk to the former nypd police commissioner about the enormous security effort to keep everyone safe. we're also in chesapeake, virginia, learning new details about a gunman who shot and killed six workers