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it was harmed. and he said, i'm sorry, i'm sorry. >> i said, oh my god, he did it!
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he killed her. >> i just remembered screaming. probably the scariest moment in my entire life. >> it was physically painful that it was not justice. >> the murders took only minutes. >> more than 20 years later, the shock has yet to fade. it was a stunning time in american legal theater. >> you may think you know the story of the oj simpson case, but there's a lot you probably haven't heard, haven't seen. did nicole brown system actually predict her own death? >> what she said to us was that oj is going to kill me and he's going to get away with it. >> what really went on in the german? >> not guilty of the crime of murder. >> all people wanted to do was go home. and, in a frank interview, prosecutor marcia clark, answers the most important
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question of all. >> how did you not convict this guy? june, 12 1994, brentwood california two horrific murders that came to be defied by just three words. the oj case. the very bloody scene very dramatic scene, both victims had their throats slashed. >> oj, please surrender immediately. >> we [inaudible] >> we have oj in the car. >> we do have sufficient evidence to convict him. >> [inaudible] >> how about that mr. -- >> it doesn't fit, you must acquit. >> not guilty of the crime of murder. >> it was the story that
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wouldn't go away. if you lived here and by here we mean the united states, you had an opinion. in nation made room in its collective consciousness for this collision of pop culture and legal drama. >> more than 20 years ago, it touched issues we still can't agree on today. race, money, privilege, fame. interracial marriage. domestic violence. >> back up. >> please, get out of the way. >> this became television's first reality show. the case consumed us and then divided us. even now, we are still fascinated. a ten-part dramatic series on effects, the people versus oj simpson. one, both raving and reviews. because there are still questions about what really happened that night in brentwood. and why, despite a staggering
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amount of evidence, og simpson was acquitted. [crowd chanting] will provide some answers with interviews done over the, years rare footage and haunting memories. including a candid interview with prosecutors, marcia clark, -- as discussing her unique perspective on the case. on everything from the infamous bronco case. >> i'm thinking, we were like the biggest idiots ever. >> to the trial of the century. >> and, every day, we'd walk into court and something else was blowing up. >> i am not guilty of the crime of murder. >> and, of course, the verdict. >> -- >> you know i always do, i do. >> it was a cool late spring evening in brentwood. around midnight, a couple was walking the dog down a quiet section of south bundy drive, when something strange caught their attention. then, at the entrance to a
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condominium number eight 75 they saw it. a body, in a river blood. . police arrived and discovered a second victim. investigators would soon follow. including, veteran homicide detective tom lane. >> this isn't a robbery, this isn't a -- this is a right killing. we found him decapitated. >> nicole was 35-year-old nicole brown simpson, the ex-wife of oj simpson. near the bodies was a bloodied leather glove, an envelope with a pair of eyeglasses and a blue knit cap. cops later'd i.d.'d the male victim as 25-year-old rhonda goldman. at this point, they didn't know much about him. >> there's numerous wounds on the neck, goldman put up a fight. >> asleep inside the house with the simpson's two children, sydney and justin, who had
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entered a thing. they were taken to a nearby police station. >> we need next of kin to take care of these kids. we need to find oj simpson. >> as dawn broke in brentwood, laying three other detectives were sent to state on nearby rockingham avenue. one of them was detective mark furman. >> arriving detectives feared the worse that simpson may have suffered the same fate as his ex-wife. >> we just left a bloody crime scene. is simpson one of the victims? >> so, without a search warrant, the tech deferment jumped the law and lead in the other cops. in one of the estates bungalow detectives found simpson's 25 year old daughter, are now. they learned, her father was out of town on a business trip in chicago. in the other bungalow, detectives woke up a shaggy haired young man named bryan cato cahlan. caroline had been living at
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simpson's house for five months, he'd come to l.a. to be an actor. and now, he was about to start in the role of his life. answering questions about where he last seen simpson. >> i had seen him earlier in the day and he was talking about women problem. he was the only want to talk to, i was probably the only guy available. -- >> absolutely not. >> later that evening, kellan, said simpson came by his door to get change for 100-dollar bill. and also mentioned getting something to eat. so, just after 9 pm, they hopped in simpson's bentley and went to mcdonald's. did simpson ask calen to go with him to establish an alibi? >> i invited myself, he didn't ask me, i thought, i was starving. >> keelan told detectives they got back around 9:40 pm. he returned to his bungalow and didn't see simpson again for approximately an hour and a half. >> then, around 10:45 pm, cal
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and says he heard three strange sounds. >> there was a lob -- it was a banging noise like if someone banged into a wall. >> keelan came outside to check on the noise and saw a little driver, allen park at the gate. waiting to take simpson to the airport. a few minutes later, simpson came out of the house. his luggage was loaded. and a little sped off. >> keelan's story seemed to add up, so now it was simpson the cops really wanted to talk to. he was in his hotel in chicago when detectives told him what had happened in early. >> there were no details given except that nicole was dead. -- >> now, came another phone call. the one tom laying dreaded. notifying nichols family. >> you heard that phone ring and i hear a scream from my mom's room that i had never heard before and it was just awful. awful, awful! denise brown nichols older
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sister remembering rushing to her mother's room. >> she said, your sister's death. and i said, oh my god, he did it. he killed her. he being oj simpson denise's former brother in law. the detective lying was stunned at the sudden new lead that was my first inkling that perhaps simpson was involved in this. >> nichols family devastated in an instant. continued the grim task and called her best friend chris jenner. i was like what. what do you mean nicole died. and, it was devastating. i think that i almost pasta. it was just the worst feeling you could possibly imagine. >> chris had known nickel since 1978. they met their chris's former husband, robert kardashian. who was simpson's best friend and attorney. chris adored simpson tucci
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said. like a big brother >> he was very charming, a lot of fun to be around. you could tell he was the type of person who really enjoyed life. >> chris and nicole had become fast friends and the two couples were like family. now, all of that was suddenly gone. >> everyone's life changed, nicole died and nothing would ever be the same. >> the world had changed forever for kris jenner, for the brown and goldman families and for oj simpson who would soon be back home in l.a. where a trail of evidence led right to his front door. >> coming up -- someone else's world was also about to change, a deputy da named marcia clark. >> he said you know who it is, it's all-day simpson? >> -- >> no, i wasn't a big football fan but i know who he is now. when dateline continues.
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about to get an education. back then most of us had never heard the name, kardashian. today's powerful bond between dna evidence and criminal kills didn't yet exist. the name og simpson belonged to a friendly recognizable sports star, actor and corporate ambassador. someone the nation knew trusted and liked from his naked gun movies to his nfl broadcast as his colleague, bob costas remembers. >> he was always the quintessential hail fellow well met. he was awkward bully as likable a person as you could ever want to encounter. >> but on day two of this story, much of that history was in the
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process of being re-written. >> the brentwood crime scene was now crawling with cops looking for clues and collecting evidence. blood was everywhere and leading from, it a trail of bloody shoe prints. near the bodies was a bloody left handed glove and a blue knit cap. and inside the walls of simpson's rocking -- detective mark fuhrman went behind -- bungalow and discovered a moist bloody glove. similar to the one at the crime scene. >> so, we look at the glove and it looks the same type. and it was a right handed glove. >> yeah. >> same everything. >> detectives also found a trail of blood drops on simpson's driveway, leading from the white bronco parked on the street. len braced himself for what was to come. >> there was very sensitive now, a celebrity case. >> [inaudible] a female white body, animal my
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body. >> by now, the news had the first sketching report. deputy district attorney marcia clark was with the special trial unit. she was consulted about getting a search warrant for rockingham. like tom lang's partner detective phil van, who already considered since in the suspect. he said, you know this? oj simpson. >> who's that. oh wait, oh yeah, naked gun. hertz commercial, right? >> you're not a big football fan, right? >> no, i wasn't a big football fan. but, i know who he is now. >> some 13 hours after the murders, simpson returned from la to chicago. a journey that took him from household name to potential suspects. >> you never thought of him as the killer? >> no, no. to me he was bigger than life and had a great personality. he loved, you know, being oj simpson. >> bad enough that simpson might be involved in the murder
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of her best friend but now chris was further conflicted because her former husband, robert kardashian was simpson's longtime personal attorney. kardashian was also at rockingham and was caught on camera, caring, what appeared to be simpson's garment bag. >> much has been speculated about what of might've been in that that. could you conceive of him loving his friend so much that he would help him dispose of evidence? >> absolutely not. i guarantee you 100 and 15% that he had this character and integrity and christian values. and believed in the truth. >> what can you say about this? >> step back. >> you don't have anything to say? >> detectives now wanted to bring instance in for questioning. his attorney, howard weizmann said his client would fully
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cooperate. >> he [inaudible] had nothing to do with this tragedy. >> after being a police headquarters, simpson's lawyers met privately with him and then met for lunch. leaving their client alone two veteran homicide detectives who met a -- i was flabbergasted. unless he just thinks he's when enough to do the same and anything he wants and he's gonna get around. this >> detectives and oj simpson, now, settle into a small interrogation room for a critical interview that could make or break the case. it would be the first and last time simpson would tell his stories to police. >> coming up -- >> i know i'm the, number one target. and now you're telling me i got blood on my hands. >> i'll jason knows just how bad things look. and he's not the only one >> -- >> when dateline continues. ne continues
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police headquarters in downtown l.a.. it's seen a lot of high-profile murder investigations and thousands of interrogations. but, on that june afternoon, perhaps none more pivotal than the top detectives were about to have with og simpson. simpson didn't have to be there. he wasn't under arrest and his
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attorneys weren't with him in the interview. so they talked. -- and we have a copy of it. >> and we're here with a jason. is that -- >> simpson was surprisingly calm for a man whose ex wife had just been murdered. >> we very narcissistic, selfish, has to be interrupted all-time. >> cops were drawn to a cut on simpson's left middle finger. and, this is where simpson's answers started becoming more vague. >> how did you get the injury on your hand? >> i don't know. not the first, i know when i was in chicago i know i, but at the house i was running around. >> how do you do it in chicago? >> i broke a glass. one of the guys just had called me and i was in the bathroom. and i just kind of went bonkers for a little bit. >> is that how you cut it? >> it was cut before. but i think i just opened it again. i don't know, i'm not sure. >> police had found a blood trail from the bronco to his
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house. now, simpson offered a few new details to help explain it. >> do you recall bleeding at all? >> yeah, i mean, i knew i was bleeding. it was no big deal. i plead all the time. i mean, i played golf and stuff, so there's always something nixon stuff. >> we don't know what direction this is going to take us. but, there is enough that i want your blood. i want to document that finger. i want your fingerprints. >> by now, simpson appeared to be sensing trouble. and attempted to straighten out his story. >> i know i'm the number one target. and now you're telling you have got blood all over the place. >> is that your blood that strip there? >> if it's dripped, it's what i drip running around trying to leave. >> then, after just 32 minutes, detectives wrapped up their interview and whisked simpson to a lab where he was printed. his finger photograph. and, most importantly, his blood drawn. >> if this guy is our suspect, his blood is going to convict him at the core of this case, it's blood, blood everywhere.
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and he's got the evidence number one in this body. we [inaudible] >>, pronounce and was allowed to leave. is >> there anything you could tell us? >> that may have been a measure of a celebrity or the police had suspicions they couldn't get back up. >> but, back it's simpson's estate more evidence was turning up. including a pair of bloody socks on his bedroom floor. >> and, at the crime scene itself, more blood drops were swab from the walkway, leading to the alley. suggesting the killer was bleeding as he fled. >> we have, now videotape showing the bodies of simpson's ex-wife an unidentified man as they were removed from a walkway in front of her westside condominium. >> monitoring all of this from her office at the criminal courts building was deputy da marcia clark, who had not yet been officially assigned the case. >> did you campaign to be put on this case? >> at the time, it was just another big case.
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that is what our unit did in special trials. we handled high-profile murder cases, that was it, it's a good case. so, of course i wanted it. did i want to for freeman fortune? hell no! >> all that day, fred goldman had been following the news reports about those murders in brentwood. he had no idea how much or in how many ways his life was about to change. because, when fred got home, he and his wife received a phone call. from the coroner's office. >> and, this individual said to me, did you hear on the news, today, that nicole brown was killed and your son was the other person? that's how i found out, over the phone. and two of us stood there just crying her eyes. >> through his shock, fred knew he had to tell his daughter, can. who sensed something was wrong the minute she heard his voice on the phone. >> when he said did you hear
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the news about today? and i said no, what's going on that? and he said that ron had died and that ron was killed. i don't really remember too much after that. i just remember screaming and he told me to get home. >> ron goldman was just 25, handsome, athletic, popular. >> love you very much and i'll see you soon, bye. >> this rare footage was taken the year before his murder. >> the goldman's didn't know it but this would be their last big celebration as a family. in june of 1994, ron had been working at mancelona restaurant where nicole and her family had died the night of the murder. when nicole's mother left her eyeglasses there, it was ron who later brought them to nichols condo. and, the lives of two families
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were suddenly tied together forever in grief. we i believe he walked into a crime and process. and he had a chance to walk away, run. but he didn't. so, he died trying to do the right thing. and that's painful. as night descended on brentwood, oj simpson was back at his estate, we -- said simpson wanted to have a little chat to discuss the timing of their mcdonald's meal. it was a conversation caleb suggested the -- >> he had tried to tell, me you know where i was katy you know i was in the kitchen at this time. and he was trying to convince me about what i believe now is an alibi form. >> he was trying to get you to agree that you had spent more time with him that last evening than you actually had?
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>> yeah, i think it was in the timeframe that he was with. me i said, no you weren't. and, inside i'm going he's trying to make me say something that's not true. >> kiddo callum was saying another og simpson, far different from the affable glad-handing celebrity image that simpson had so carefully cultivated and protected. but simpson also had a dark and violent side. one that had nicole fearing for her life. just weeks before her murder. coming up -- >> 9-1-1, i'm urgency. >> could you get someone over here now? he's back, please? >> okay, what does he look like. >> he's oj simpson. i think you know his record. >> did nicole brown simpson predict her future? >> she said, things are really bad between oj and i and he's going to kill me and he's going to get away with it. when dateline, continues. when dateline, continues ineeeeeeee!
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and here's what's happening right now. the president and first lady spend thanksgiving in massachusetts, taking highs to local firefighters. after that fire fire voted, president biden told reporters he will try to get an assault weapon ban through congress before republicans take the house in january. elon musk says twitter will start reinstating all suspended accounts next week. his tweet offered of amnesty will not to apply to count though of quote, broken the law or engaged in egregious spam. i'm jessica layton in new york. now, back to dateline. ack to dateline. the funeral was just a mile from the crime scene. this was a gathering of nicole 's family and friends. including, the man police
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already suspected of her murder, her ex husband. we >> that was a really tough day. >> how did simpson react at the funeral? >> he was crying over the coffin. he kissed the coffin. he said, i'm sorry nick, i'm sorry. we >> close friend we kris jenner remembers when nicole met simpson, she was just 18. he was 29. and they were just really happy together. he didn't want to live without her. >> she was every bit as crazy about him and in 1985 they married. the same year simpson was inducted into the pro football hall of fame. but there would be trouble, some parts of a star athlete life remained allure. and, simpson saw other women. the two quarreled and, when that would happen, it would sometimes turned violent. nicole kept all over the secret,
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writing about it in her diary. >> what kind of things were in those diaries? >> she had to go through -- she had been bleeding so badly that she told the doctor she fell off her bicycle. >> the new year's day, 1989, after an especially ugly incident, nicole stopped covering for her husband. she called both the police and her sister denise. we >> she, says can you come over here and take pictures of me. and, so i went over. >> how did she look? she had her face all scratched up. she had the black and blue all over her. and she said, he went crazy. >> they divorced in 1992. but soon after, they tried getting back together. i felt like they really loved each other but it was tough for them to be together. and she just always felt like he was cheating on her. >> why would she go back to him? >> she couldn't live with him, she couldn't live without him. >> nichols sister denise said things got worse. simpson's doctor. >> she said, he's always there.
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he's always around. he won't leave me alone. >> 9-1-1 emergency. >> yeah, can you send someone to my house? >> and, just months before her murder, nicole was on the phone with 9-1-1. sounding at first, more exasperated than frightened. >> well, my ex-husband or my husband just broke into my house and he's ranting and raving. >> has he been drinking or anything? >> no, but he's crazy. >> nicole hung up. but called back ten minutes later as things apparently escalated. >> 9-1-1 emergency. >> could you get someone over here now? he's back, please? >> okay, what does he look like. >> he's og simpson, i think you know his record. can you send somebody over here. >> okay, what is he doing there. >> he drove up again. >> okay, just down the line. >> i don't want to stay on the line, i want to beat the -- out of. him >> okay, just hold on a minute. >> no charges were filed against thompson. his all american public image remained intact. we but privately, the last
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several months of nichols life with simpson or a series of break ups and makeup's, says kris jenner. in april 1994, came one last reconciliation. the two took a trip to mexico. but things didn't work out. nicole returned home with her mind made up. >> she said she was done and there was something different within a call that time. >> but simpson, apparently, wasn't ready to let go, according to kris jenner, he was devastated at being dumped and retaliated by threatening nickel. >> just weeks before her death says, chris. nicole revealed something shocking. >> things are really bad between oj and i and he's going to kill me. and he's going to get away with it. >> and soon after, kris jenner was attending her best friend's funeral. and, as the funeral was winding down, things were busy at the
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lapd crime lab. where preliminary results converting simpson's blood to the samples collected at the crime scene were now in. and, they matched. the bloody trail at bundy, rockingham and inside the bronco all came back to simpson. which meant -- >> we want to go in and get him in book him like would anybody else. >> instead, a deal was struck with simpson recently hired defense attorney, robert shapiro. to avoid all of the media, simpson with discreetly turn himself in at the jail in the back of parker center. with the deadline was friday, june 17th, 1994, 11 am sharp. but oj simpson never showed as the nation was about to learn, he had simply disappeared. >> coming up. >> oj, wherever you are, for the sake of your family, for the sake of your children
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please surrender immediately. >> oj could run but he couldn't tied. >> [inaudible] we >> and marcia clark gets a preview of things to come. >> he had murdered two innocent people, slaughtered them. and you're cheering his escape? >> when dateline continues. >> when dateline continues e you my blind date? dancing crew. trip for two. nail the final interview. buy or lease? masterpiece. inside joke. artichoke. game with doug. brand new mug. come here, kid. gimme a hug. have you gotten your updated covid-19 booster? they're designed to help protect against recent omicron variants. schedule yours at vaccines.gov. ♪ among my patients, i often see them have teeth sensitivity as well as gum issues. does it worry me? absolutely. sensodyne sensitivity & gum gives us the dual action effect that really takes care of both our teeth sensitivity
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become a truly unforgettable day in los angeles and in and around the world. that morning, simpson was preparing to turn himself in at police headquarters. but, then he suddenly vanished. >> oj, wherever you are for the sake of your family, for the sake of your children, police surrender immediately. >> simpson did leave behind what many thought was a suicide note. a note his friend robert kardashian red on live tv. >> everyone understands i have nothing to do with nicole's murder. i loved her, don't feel sorry for me. i had a great life. >> and, no one seemed to know where simpson was. >> los angeles police department, right now is
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actively searching for mr. simpson. >> oj simpson is not at this location. nothing going on here. what >> i have a -- bum suspect's name orenthal james simpson. >> then, around 6:30 pm, some seven hours after he was supposed to have turned himself in, a white ford bronco was spotted with simpson in the backseat and his close friend, al kalin took the wheel. >> john, i think i just saw oj simpson on the 5 to 8. >> and then within a minute, the orange county sheriff or. a >> number one lead at 40 miles per hour. >> what followed was a surreal low speed chase which, by the way, involved our challenge bronco. not some. since [inaudible] >> okay, we are? you >> i'm coming up the side. right, now --
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>> 95 million americans, now, tuned in to watch what was suddenly the best show on tv. >> we are looking at live pictures of interstate five in los angeles. >> until that moment, many viewers had settled in to watch the nba finals between the knicks and the rockets. now, they would watch a split screen of the game and the chase. >> bob costas was hosting the pregame and halftime show for nbc. >> and then, all of a sudden, this great tragedy becomes part of the mix. and it's going on concurrently. well [inaudible] >> this is a drama without a script. one >> suspect is possibly armed. take caution. >> he had a, it was loaded. he could've used it.
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you can't take a chance with someone. certainly, who's been accused of murder. we [inaudible] >> detective tom lang had simpson cell phone number, an amazingly, was able to reach him. dateline has the actual recording of the conversation which was not released at the time. >> okay, we're going to do this >> laying used every bit of police and pop psychology he knew to keep simpson's hand on the phone and off the trigger. >> please, you're scaring everybody though. -- >> listen, i think you should tell them yourself. i don't have to tell your kids that. your kids need you. >> marcia clark, who by now, had been assigned to prosecute since in for nicole and their
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murders were watching all of this furiously that he was still free. >> he was like the biggest idiot ever and then i thought, this sucks like flight to me. and that is consciously killed in the long. kim goldman was watching two and worrying simpson might not survive. as he wanted to bring him to court he needs to see what happens every day in trial. if he's not guilty, then what's he running for? >> all i did was love her. i >> understand. >> i love everybody, i told everybody that i love all and everybody. >> it was surreal, it was devastating, could this get any worse. >> we [inaudible] >> well, maybe not works, but certainly more weird with crowds cheering on system as if he was making a heisman-like dash to the end zone. >> we must >> by marshall clark
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who was getting the story wasn't cheering, she said that she was when -- >> i saw the people by the side of the road cheering and i thought, oh my god, this is not good. it's a little sample of what's to come. >> exactly, he had murdered to innocent people, slaughtered, them and you're tearing his escape? >> and it gave me a full on viewing of what we were up against. >> finally, after nearly 90 riveting minutes -- >> simpson and kato kaelin pulled out a rockingham. >> we don't know what the hell is going to happen. we don't know if he's going to get out of this car and have to do with the police. >> i couldn't have written off the possibility that he was going to kill himself. >> for nearly an hour, simpson sat in the bronco as police tried to coax him out.
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finally, he emerged and collapsed into the arms of several waiting officers. it was finally over, inside the bronco was a loaded.357 magnum and simpson's travel bag containing his passport, if it goatee and mustache. simpson was taken away and was to be charged with two counts of first degree murder. >> oj simpson is in custody. he's been transported here to parker center. >> convicting him seemed almost certain. especially given all that blood evidence. but, district attorney -- would soon make a decision that would alter the course of this case long before it ever went to trial. >> coming up -- >> we're ready to proceed the trial, we want to seek justice for oj simpson. and we believe he'll be acquitted. >> they were called the dream team. >> this was the kind of case where you attacked the police
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now, oj simpson had a brand-new number. and for the next 15 months, a new home, a dingy cell at the l.a. county jail where he was being held without bail. >> simpson had visits from his family, friends, attorney and even his former colleague, bob costas. >> i went to visit him, he tried to convince me, several times of his innocence. look, bob, you know me. i'm a smart guy. what i leave a glove behind? what i do something like this? this doesn't make sense, that doesn't make sense. >> but, simpson was facing a mountain of evidence. as district attorney gil garcetti confidently told nbc
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news back in 1995. >> in no case that i am aware of in the history of this country have we had so much dna evidence. but, for the fact is that og simpson was swift what you would call in force language -- islam duck winner. >> then da garcetti made -- he decided to move the case here from downtown los angeles to santa monica. downtown, the jury pool would be mostly minority and thought to be more sympathetic to a black defended. at the time, garcetti claimed the change was made for a number of reasons including that the santa monica courthouse, which recently had sustained earthquake damage couldn't handle a long trial. >> could you tell us anything at all? >> but, former detective tomlin believes that the trade-off may have also involved a different calculus. the hope that a conviction by a predominantly black jury would head off what happened here in
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1992. >> when riding broke out after a mostly like jury acquitted lapd officers and the beating of rodney king. >> can we all get along? can we get along? >> in hindsight, that decision to move the trial downtown may have been the first of many that taken together would influence how the case and the verdict played out. >> the thinking was that if you have a minority jury convicting a minority defendant everything is cold. they're not gonna have any problems. >> but, prosecutor marcia clark says that there was no choice about where to try the case. >> it was always gonna be downtown, there was no discussion about it. >> until people say, well, they gave up the mostly white jury pool of santa monica and ended up in a mostly -- jury pool and -- it was all over at that point. those two don't hold their type, do it? >> no they don't. they might be right that we would be better off with a
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white jury. well yes. i don't think there's any disputing that now, right? but just this kind of demands that we tried the case in front of the jury that we have and we do our very best to convince them. >> then, another critical decision, this one made the judge lance ito to be televised. >> of course we. do publicly, marcia clark seemed highly confidence in her case back then. >> the fact that the case have been filed means that we do have sufficient evidence to convict him but privately. >>, as clark told us, she sensed trouble early on. >> right off the bat, you've got a big pushback in the african american community. they like his case. they don't want to believe. and there was a subset of loyalty an investment and protecting an african american icon who made it. he was successful. he had made, it they did not want to see him take it. them >> even though he had done virtually nothing for the community he came from? >> it was surprising. virtually, nothing. this was not exactly your civil
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rights firebrand. and, as he was quote and famously saying, i am not, black and jamie. >> still, clark says she was convinced a strong case could be built primarily on the blood and dna evidence. >> there was a trail of evidence, literally, from bundy that led all the way to his bedroom at rockingham. and then, the blood, the hares, the fibers, there was a huge amount of evidence, the question was would it be enough to overcome the incendiary issue of race. >> how do you plead to couch want to? >> 100% guilty. >> race would become front and center in the case thanks to a new attorney simpson added to his team just before he was arraigned, his name johnnie cochran junior. >> we believe he'll be acquitted. we cochran have been on the lapd side for years. running a lucrative practice, trying police misconduct cases. from the outside, his strategy
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was simple -- >> this was the kind of case where we will attack the police and the credibility. especially in 1995. >> at that time, the only way to describe a situation between a black community and lapd was a state of open warfare. >> kylie rice is a civil rights attorney andy who lives in los angeles. >> the black community experienced lapd as a hostile occupation force that viewed the black community with racist content. >> so, it was the perfect time for that defense. >> it's the perfect time for that defense to be a rise. that this is a black man being persecuted. and, he ought to be like oh. >> but, og simpson? for years, we lived on l.a.'s mostly white west side. he spent much of his time playing golf, dating white women and seem to have little to do with at least black community. >> i'm not sure he knew how to get this -- >> that's right.
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he didn't have to identify with the black community. but the black community understood that you're being targeted, you're back with us. >> cochran knew that and helping him was other legal superstars like f. lee bailey, dna expert very, shocking and hard word law professor -- alan dershowitz. but dershowitz how does all name for it. >> i call them the horror team. we didn't get along. there was a tremendous amount of deception. >> coming -- up >> a limousine pulled up and og simpson got out of the limousine. >> was oj simpson getting rid of something at the airport the night of the murders? >> he was pulling things out and dumping them in the trash can. and kato kaelin in the biggest role of his life. >> i think we're from the same parts.
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called the trial of the century, it's no exaggeration to say, it felt as if the whole world was watching. >> we are very ready. we've been very. ready >> -- >> it was just six months after the murder of nicole brown and ron goldman. oj simpson was facing a possibility of life in prison if convicted. >> now, the two sides would finally square off. a team of tough but largely unknown l.a. county prosecutors's armed with a seemingly airtight case ranking dna evidence. but against some of the famous defense lawyers in the country whose plan was simple, but the police and their investigation on trial. at, least one member of the defense team headsets that behind the scenes, they often but it has. but, somehow, they managed to
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come together and pick a jury as simpson attorney carl douglas revealed today line. >> we had a focus group pretravel and it said, clearly, that african american women would be our best jurors. they would know and understand how black men are treated by police. in the, and the panel that was picked included eight black women. we were so pleased because this was a jury that johnny could speak to and have spoken to for his entire career. >> perhaps the most thrills of all was simpson himself. >> oj looked back on the jury and, said for gee whiz guy, if this jury convicts me, maybe i did do it. >> resigning over the trial would be judge lance, e a former prosecutor who had been on the bench for six years.
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>> his blood drop that you see here, marked as item number 1:12 matches the defendant. >> the heart of the prosecution's case was all that blood and dna evidence. which pointed squarely at oj simpson. but first, prosecutors detailed simpson and nichols troubled, sometimes violent relationships. which they said culminated in her murder. >> and in the final and terrible act, ronald goldman, and innocent bystander was viciously and senselessly murdered. >> later, denise brown gave the jury a -- of how simpson brutalized nicole right in front of her. the drug flew against the wall and this -- >> was a tough to go in there and recount what you had seen? >> yes, it was, i had just lost my sister. everything was just right there, i mean just so fresh. >> prosecutors also focused on
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the timeline of the murders to show that simpson was alone and unaccounted for for at least an hour. enough time to kill ron and michael. >> what kato kaelin took the stand to testify that night that he was with simpson. i came one of those kato moments. >> do you think that your friendship with him, your friendship, especially living on his property said that -- >> i didn't think that. i didn't think we were going for the same parts. >> i was just being me. it wasn't about the spotlight. it was just how i am. >> who side was kato kaelin on? >> that's a great question. he certainly wasn't on our. he was on kato's side, that would be my opinion. from the very start, he was very clearly withholding information. >> and he didn't think he had anything to do with it? >> now, what he was doing was taking his finger in the, are seeing which way the wind was blowing and saying, you know
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what, simpson is not going to get convicted. and i'm going to be the one who standing by his side and he'll take care of me. >> kaelin told us, he cooperated fully and answered everything clark asked. and, a trial, he did detail a critical sequence of events before and after the murders. >> on the truth, he and simpson touch to mcdonald's for those three strange sounds he heard at 10:45 pm. sounds investigators believed simpson made when returning home after killing ron and nicole. >> can you demonstrate for us how loud it was? >> somewhat, yes. yes, go ahead. >> >> and where did that noise seem to be coming from. >> from the back of the wall. >> kato kaelin had come to hollywood looking for fame. what he found was something more powerful. longer lasting and, ultimately, upsetting. suddenly you are a key witness in a very high profile murder
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trial. >> what's that like? >> well, considering that i had never been in court before. i never had taken part in a speeding ticket. the first time i was in a courtroom was for a double homicide it was probably the scariest moment of my entire life. and, also, everything that i ever did in my life came out to the public. >> not what you want it, i'm sure. >> i would never think in a billion years that this was going to be my life, how i was going to be involved. one time being a kid watching football, knowing who oj simpson. was saying i'm living at or jason's house. saying, og simpson is up for a trial of murder. and, cato keelan is this guy in the guesthouse. >> i don't know how it happened. >> he kato kaelin wasn't alone, another person's life had collided with og simpson's that night. but, this man was eager to
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testify. skip judas was at the night of the murder. pick up his wife who worked for american airlines. it was 11:30 pm, just an hour after ron and nicole had been killed. >> and the limousine pulled up and og simpson got out of the limousine. >> he said that he had a clear view of simpson but, simpson, he says, never saw him. >> he was carrying a sort of cheap gym bag and he zipped it a few inches just enough to get his hands in. and he was putting his hands in and dumping it out in the trash can. >> back then, judas and thinking much of it as he watched simpson md that little black bag. and then hustle inside. by the time police learned what he had seen, it was too late for them to go through the trash. but, he did draw a picture of the bag for detectives. do you think he was disposing the evidence? that >> sure, of course they do. that witness has evidence and no reason to discount him or
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anything, else he's a -- >> so credible that judas was subpoenaed to testify. but, like a lot of the prosecution case, things wouldn't go quite according to plan. and the defense was just getting started. >> coming up -- >> the gloves at rockingham and -- don't fit. do you understand? >> don't fit! you can never make them fit. by. >> there was a stunning time. one that would go down in -- history. i >> did not wanted to try and the evidence gloves. >> whose call was that? when >> dateline continues. en >> dateline continues
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>> prosecutors had kato kaelin on the stand again. >> form morning shows, the late night television, judge what judge lance ito courtroom was not part of our popular culture. it was oj every day. products, hundreds and a whole new class of tv shows talking
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about everything that happened that day in court. >> but, if the audience loved it, jurors didn't see it. because they were surprised, heard confounded this whole rise hotel of few blocks from the courthouse. one car was one of the jurors who actually decided the case. for 265 days, more than eight months, their lives were limited to a courtroom and a hotel room. >> with no tv, no fun, no radios no nothing. >> isolated, board, often lonely there was nothing glamorous about being a juror on the trial of the century. >> and i think that you'd be very happy with the entertainment that we provide for you over this weekend. >> there were occasional off the outings around town. and there was one business trip when the jury was taken on a tour of the crime scene and simpson's rocking --
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state but with the jurors did not know with that before that visit, defense attorney carl douglas had been into simpson's house for a little redecorating. >> we wanted to make the rockingham location look lived in and stand with all of its recon this so that the jurors who would say og simpson would not have wrist all of this for this woman. four >> changes included for those of simpson with white women that were swapped out with pictures of him first black people. on a bedside photo of simpson's mother that was now placed in prominent view. >> this is not tampering with evidence. >> this is not tampering with evidence, no. this is simply making its health percent double. like washing the phones. >> like putting the bible out. >> like putting flowers in to make the house more presentable. is there -- if there is no objection, so be. >> you wanted to win.
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>> if it's not called i am trying to get the optimum advantage to win. the play hardball in the big leagues. this was the big leagues. >> and, there was a lot more hardball to be played. starting with that evidence cops had collected up the crime scene and at simpson's estate. the defense you have to dismiss it, quickly and cleverly with just four little words. >> garbage, and garbage. on >> garbage, and garbage out became a strategy. if there was evidence that was contaminated or corrupted then the result and the conclusions could not be trusted. >> for example, a key blood samples that wasn't collected from the crime scene until three weeks after the murder. then, defense dna expert, very shift housed on the lapd's denis hahn. accusing him and a colleague of
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mishandling evidence. >> there, there, how about that! ? >> the defense came in and just whittled in piece by piece, little by little. >> many people who watched the trial said that the jury was bored by the lengthy dna evidence. >> put yourself there. you sitting there. you're listening to this stuff over and over again. i'm not going to lie to you. it was somewhat boring. >> boring, and apparently not resonating with the jury who's silent expression said a loud message to marshall clark. >> that trial was a nightmare for me, every single day. i had had so many days of going back up to my office and feeling like we are toast, it's over, there's no way. because, remember, i'm watching the jury all day, every day. >> what was the bigger problem? the defense suggesting that because of race that the dna evidence had been tampered with or was dna, back then just to heart and to boeing for the jury to understand? >> it was the former. it was definitely the biggest
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issues. so, the dna was not the problem. the problem was the jury didn't want to believe. and, so, at the end of the day you can't make someone believe something they don't want to believe. >> but, there was plenty of other evidence besides dna that the prosecution never showed the jury. like, the police interview with simpson. or, his emotional farewell note and the ensuing bronco chase. those were critical lost opportunities, says detective tomlin. >> i had a problem from day one because of evidence that they didn't want to put up. >> and, you prosecutors, what do you do? and they would say, don't worry, we have dna evidence. >> they didn't say that. they obviously implied that. we kept getting evidence, getting more and more evidence, and they weren't having anything to do with it. >> but, clark says, she was concerned that the broncos changed, since the police interview on the so-called suicide note might play
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sympathetically to the jury. >> i had to look for the most objective evidence i can. i can't go to them and say, this is what i think because any of these kind of dicey moves, and that's a dicey move didn't state that he gave the cult seat, quote unquote, suicide notes that he wrote. so, i had enough solid evidence without taking risk with evidence like that. >> enough evidence that even eyewitness, skip jonas, the man who said he spotted simpson emptying his gym bag at the airport right after the murders was never called to testify. >> and, neither was chris jenner who wanted to tell the jury how nicole feared for her life. >> her, knowing that she was going to be murdered, do you believe that she knew? >> she knew. >> how do you know? >> she told me. >> he said, he's going to kill me and he's going to get away with it. >> you couldn't put her on the senate because what, that's hearsay? >> yes. that would be hearsay. under the circumstances that nicholas speaking to chris jenner, we couldn't get it in.
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i would've been happy to put on the stand. believe me. she could've been a great witness. >> we talked a lot about the evidence the prosecution could have brought into the case. but, there was something that they probably should've left out. it would prove to be especially devastating to the case. a self inflicted wounds from which prosecutors probably never recovered. >> and the people would ask that mr. simpson's that on the glove recovered at dundee -- >> that people 77. >> that wasn't the call. i did not want them to trial on the evidence. gods >> whose call was that? >> that was chris's call, chris was co-prosecutor christopher darden's. her, said no i'm doing. this and i never expected anything good to come of it. >> the only thing i could assume at that time was, it's not the right gloves.
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because they did not fit. >> it was a stunning time, one that would go down in the history. >> one of the dumbest moves done by any prosecutor. >> you never try a demonstration if you're not sure it was going to happen. >> the gloves at rockingham and believe don't fit. you understand that? don't fit. and, they can never make them fit. why! >> and the prosecution knew it, to, just a little too late as christopher darden told nbc news in 1996. >> they should've fit. in my glove expert said they should've been. and they were his gloves, had his blood on, then the victims blood on them, it's something that the prosecutor denied perfectly. yes, i should've done. >> you said a dart in that night, i told you so? >> no. darden said to me, i'm sorry. and i said, it's okay. if that lost the case for us
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than we were never going to win anyway. >> coming up -- >> but anything out of your mouth for the first five or six sentences is alive. >> detective mark freeman is caught on tape, putting the prosecution on the defense. >> it was mind-boggling. >> and you are hosting champing classes on those tapes? >> it was model from heaven. >> and, the dramatic closing argument. >> if it doesn't fit, you must acquit. when >> dateline continues. > dateline continues ugh! advil dual action fights pain two ways. advil targets pain at the source, acetaminophen blocks pain signals. advil dual action. peaceful state. full plate. wait, are you my blind date? dancing crew. trip for two. nail the final interview. buy or lease? masterpiece. inside joke. artichoke. game with doug.
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1995 had just passed. but the fireworks were only beginning in johnny -- office. that day, several anonymous tips have been folded. most were dead ends. but, one caught the attention of defense -- pat mckenna. little did he realize then, but mckenna was about to become a key player in the most explosive and pivotal part of the case. all because of one cryptic phone message, with red it's -- and tapes. and word. things like that. detective mark fuhrman the handsome, confident cop who have discovered the bloody glove at rockingham. so, mckenna followed up with the man who left the message about fuhrman which led him to
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a woman called laura hart mckinney. a screenwriters. we consulted with fuhrman about a script about police work. in their conversations were recorded. a few weeks later, the tapes arrived at cochran's office. >> i johnnie was very careful about those cases. locking them in and say, for only he had the combination because it was just so explosive. >> but anything out of this mouth for the first time five or six sentences of ally. >> this is mark fuhrman on the tape, i heard it myself, it is his voice and it is showing -- chilling. >> it was mind-boggling what we've heard. he used the n-word so much that became insignificant. >> and you guys were like hosting stamping us as when it was in those days. >> it was modeled from have been. >> from the prosecution, the fuhrman tapes were pure hell.
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>> it was horrifying. horrifying. and, listening to that, if it was like having a sermon unloaded on his head. >> fuhrman insisted the conversations were no more than a basis for a movie. >> is this really what the reality of a democracy is, that we use a fictional screenplay to prosecute one man for doing too good of a job on a murder case and according another? i just think it's absolutely absurd. >> absurd to detective fuhrman that it was live ammunition for simpson's attorney. the defense maintain that fuhrman was a racist cop, who, in an effort to frame simpson planted the bloody glove at his estate. undermine fuhrman what they're thinking, and the entire lapd investigation would be in doubt. now, judge ito made a controversial ruling that would greatly benefit simpson's defense. he allowed two excerpts from
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the fuhrman state's to be presented by the jury. >> 65's prison for seven years, pumping -- >> fuhrman who had testified previously and denied using the n-word was then called back to court to answer for what he said on those tapes. >> i, detective fuhrman, would you resume the witness stand, please? >> this time fuhrman accompanied by his lawyer didn't have much to say. except -- >> i which to assert my fifth amendment privilege. >> three times, so fuhrman invoked his constitutional right and against self inquiry -- saving their best question for last. >> the tech tip fuhrman did you plant or manufacture any evidence in this case? >> i assert my fifth amendment privilege. >> it was terrible, it was terrible. the glove demonstration to me paled into a significance after
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that. >> it's -- and you're comparing what part of your case was the biggest disaster. >> throughout the trial, it felt like one minefield after another. and, every, day it walk into court and something else was blowing up. >> he's already entered but. >> i was pissed. pissed! when someone asked you that under the circumstances, it's no. hell no. i do not plant evidence. that's the response. if you plead the fifth, it's all over whether you did it or not. >> did fuhrman she sunk the prosecution when he said that. >> he cites the case. >> -- >> it's just over. it's not over. it's not the fuhrman file, if you want to accuse this man of planting evidence, you say. >> i assert my fifth amendment privilege. >> this part of fuhrman the's testimony was heard outside of the jury. but the jury, ron crier, had already heard enough from detective from, and to form an opinion to bought him and his
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role in the investigation. >> in my man, i said, did he plant the gloves and the hot? he had plenty of opportunity to do. it >> and, because this investigation was up 100% but the book, -- >> something -- >> means that i can convict someone of murder. >> prosecutors had one last chance, closing arguments. for five hours, marcia clark reviewed that trail of evidence from bundle rockingham. clear proof, she says, that simpson killed nicole and ron. >> and, we know he did it. if these murders did not occur in the vacuum, they occurred in the presence of a stormy relationship. a relationship scarred by violence and abuse. >> it wasn't my best. it wasn't. i was tired. i was demoralized. by the time i got to 3:00 in the jury. are you hearing anything? i don't know if you're hearing anything? i don't know.
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it just didn't feel like anybody cared. >> stop this cover. drop this cover. if you don't stop it, then who? >> it was classic cochran as he delivered that iconic land that would forever define the trial. >> >> if it doesn't fit, you must acquit. so with cochran's speech looming in their ear, the jury would not decide the fate of orenthal james simpson. but it turns out, most of them had already made up their minds. >> coming up -- >> you have reached a verdict in this case, is that correct woman? >> and ethan month trial decided in less than four hours. >> i was convinced he was going to be found guilty. leaving millions to ask, what does justice done? >> he was physically painful. that was not justice.
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television was over. now, the fate of og simpson would be settled behind closed doors, by 12 people who had all endured eight long months of a grueling trial and secret station. but, as alliterations began, lon cryer aka, juror number six, or thanks. e >> you wanted out of there. >> all i can think of in my man i had formed an opinion that i am probably going to -- i'm also worried that i and the only crimson -- >> cryer and the 11 other jurors took their first straw poll. >> wow! 10 to 2 for acquittal. now, i went to the restroom and i said, oh yes. and, it wasn't because of the
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ten two verdict, it was because i am close to getting out of here. >> two votes now spell the difference between both simpson and the jury, finally going home. >> i was open to someone showing a different view that maybe could've changed my view. >> the two viewers who voted forget that they try to win anybody else over. >> they didn't stick with. it >>, not at all. >> and, that mountain of daily evidence was, apparently, not part of the deliberations. >> nothing about the dna actually even came up in discussion. >> during turn deliberations, the dna evidence wasn't even mentioned? >> no, it never came up. >> and, a short time later, the second vote. and eight-month trial decided in less than four hours. >> you have reached a verdict in this case, is that correct? >> it would be announced, the next day. >> i was convinced, convinced
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he was going to be found guilty. >> all right, mrs. robertson, what do you have the envelope with the still -- please. >> then, the next day, the juries, the families, detectives and attorneys arrived at work judge ito's's courtroom for the very last time. >> i saw that johnnie in the courtroom. and he looked pretty upset. and i said, what are you worried about, you want. >> he said, well, he didn't think he had. the funny thing he is, all the president, that night, before the verdict came in were predicting a conviction. everyone. >> but not. you >> know. >> as we gathered to watch, everything seemed to stop. an estimated 100 million of us tuned in. costing the economy nearly half a billion dollars in lost productivity. trading on the new york stock exchange, plummeted, 41%. and, president clinton was
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briefed on security measures in case a ride occurred, not only in l.a. but nationwide. >> superior court of california county official -- >> then, finally, at 10 am pacific time, on october 3rd 1995, eight months of trial came to this. >> we the jury, and the uvalde tight election find the defendant orenthal james simpson not guilty -- >> he read, nichols verdict. first and read not guilty. i remember thinking, they having done rhonda. and thinking, for some reason, it might be different. >> simpson, not guilty of the crime of murder. and section eight felony upon lyle goldman. -- >> and then i lost it. >> i don't know why i thought it would be a different verdict. and i was pissed. and you just go, wow, is this really our justice system? >> right, mrs. robertson -- >> it was unbelievable. >> it seemed really obvious to
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me that it was going to be guilty. especially, when you combine all the evidence, you know all the things that strong out in that story for it to be that verdict was just kind of amazing. >> during number 11 -- >> i felt horrible. it was physically painful. you, know that was not justice. and i thought of ron and the colts and thought, this is wrong. it's so wrong. >> you blame yourself for us? >> you know, i always do. i was the one trying the case. but at the end of the day, there was no way to reach that jury, there was no way to make them believe. there really wasn't. >> she -- has counsel. and >> it wasn't so much about what they was totally innocent. it was just that i don't believe that there was enough evidence to a victim. [crowd chanting] >> one verdict. two reactions.
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divided by color across the country. civil rights attorney, this was >> about race, class and justice in early for black people. and this was a chance to strike back. and history did. >> for the first time, in more than 15 months, so jason was a free man. >> fred goldman, as he had done so many times before, spoke for the families. >> last june 13th, 94, was the worst nightmare of my life. this is the second. >> honest to god, that's one of those moments of a little blurry, crying and shock and
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anger and all shoved together. and then we left. with nothing after nine months. it was all settled. >> america's newly insatiable appetite for 12 binge-watching had ended without simpson getting the just desserts, many had hope for. but, this will not be the last we'd seen or hear of or involve james simpson. because, simpson would soon be back in court. and, this time things would be quite different. >> coming up -- >> i wanted the court to say he was guilty. >> oj simpson on the spot. we >> had it sent out to the lab or authentication. came back to see real pictures. >> and, under oath. >> the opposition turned out to be a gold mine for us because he made so many inconsistence.
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county club, it didn't take og simpson long to get back to life. on the lakes and on camera, simpson was everywhere. saying, he was eager to clear his name. watching and one -- for the families of nicole and rob. , and they said that they were flaunting his celebrity. >> 15 years -- went >> and every time you've looked in the mirror it had found in. >> but fred goldman still wanted justice. even when it meant simpson remain free. >> i wanted the court to say he was guilty. >> no court could do that now. but, a civil court could find simpson liable for killing iran and nicole.
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and that meant filing a long for that lawsuit. if simpson lost, he wouldn't go to prison. but, he might have to pay damages to the family. of course, this wasn't about the money. >> for us, the pursuit of justice is incredibly important to the honor and integrity of what my brother went to the night that he was stabbed to death. >> the goldman hired a relatively unknown attorney named dan patrick chilly. you had never handled the case that involved murder. >> mr. goldman is on the phone speaking with me and he said that would you like to come talk to me? >> and, when i met with him and we ended up talking to the wee hours of the morning, i was convinced to a moral certainty that his only interest was vindicating the death -- he wanted to brand og simpson as the man who killed his son. >> such a silly would argue the
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case here in santa monica over jury would be selected from a largely white population. and, unlike in the criminal case, the burden of proof was lower. this jury wouldn't have to agree, unanimously, on the verdict. and as a matter of law og simpson would have no choice but to testify, in pre trial deposition and the trial itself. >> and that meant simpson would have to answer for all the dna evidence, his abusive nicole and something that surfaced in the national enquirer. >> one of the league pages is a picture of simpson walking and one of his feet were elevated and they had circled the shoe that he was wearing so that was a bright mom issue. >> during the original investigation, the bloody shoe print at the crime scene were matched to this exact type of a time to. now, thanks to the photo, was shot petrocelli could put the sean simpson. then we had it sent to the lab,
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for prosecution. to a top four and a guy and he came back as a real picture. then, we were able to take the shoe and magnify it to the point where we could see the sole underneath it. and the soul matched perfectly to the shoe impressions. >> and suddenly you have a piece of evidence prosecutors didn't have. >> correct. >> in january 1996, simpson arrived at petrocelli office that would be videotaped, putting the attorney face to face with his [inaudible] >> by that point, i knew he was a stone, cold killers. when he extended his hand out for me to shake it, and i just couldn't resist, i shook his hand. i always regretted that. i literally shook the hand and probably wielded the knife that killed my client son.
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