roughshod over human rights, and fascism is reasserting itself worldwide. it's good to have an adult in the white house. i'm thankful for nancy pelosi, who showed a generation of women what power looks like when wielded in expert female hands. and i wish the outgoing speaker, and her husband healing and pace this holiday. and i'm thankful for you, our viewers, you give me the strength to speak truth to power. and -- as we know is not a cost free endeavor. so, thank you for watching the reidout, we'll see you on the other side of the turk, or curry rhoda, one love fan. and that's the reidout, enjoy your weekend and we will see you back here on monday. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> happy friday. i hope you had a great holiday. i'll unionist gathered on the thanksgiving table yesterday, or maybe you're still gathered,

or gathering again around the leftovers. this is the time to give thanks and reflect on what we're grateful for. at the top of many of our list this year, democracy. and the defeat of scores of trump's handpick conspiracy minded election denying candidates in the midterms. but what about the disgraced ex president himself. what's he grateful for this year? it's hard to say. we know donald trump's big announcement that he's making a third run for president was met with a collective national shrug ingrown at best. then, there is that early christmas present from attorney general merrick garland, newly minted special counsel jack smith, whose hard at work overseeing not one but two criminal investigations into the disgraced ex president. including that investigation to trump's mishandling of classified materials at mar-a-lago. -- sue gordon served as deputy director of national intelligence. she spent more than 30 years at the highest levels of the

intelligence community. she's briefed every american president, -- shortly after the deadly insurrection, so gordon made an extraordinary recommendation. she cut off donald trump's intelligence briefing once he leaves office. she argued that trump simply post too great of a national security threat. it was an unprecedented warning at the time. thankfully, the biden administration heated it. so, when news broke that trump had been hoarding highly classified documents in random drawers at mar-a-lago. we called another than sue gordon. >> what was donald trump like around classified documents? >> so, it's a great question. listen, he was the first thing you need to know is the intelligence committee always treated him as the president. which means we shared with ham any and all information that we believed that the president needed, regardless of classifications. that's step number.

one step number two, it was an interesting consumer, he didn't come into office nor during his time in office as i observed. developed any particular understanding of the craft and discipline of intelligence. in other words, what's special about it as has a different you read in the washington post, it's remarkable journalistic publications are. he had access to it all. we briefed him all. he was the president, he had his duties to carry out. but it was my experience that he didn't appreciate the particular nature of the -- so, that made him not understand what was being protected. i think i gas, nicolle, the thing describes 2 sides's good that's lost here friends, good is that you comrades, and good can't tell rather's, what's who trust each classified other or and important just by enjoy it

shared future. back looking at it. you to you. >> many thanks for the can see something update. sensational, i'm a can be something that is is openly available, and you can see the most mundane sentence, and it's indicative of some intention or some action. this idea that anybody can just casually assume what's really classified is just false. the same thing i'd say would go for the president. i don't think he acquired that appreciation. >> you set up on to really important things i want to try to impact. them not understanding the craft, what he said publicly went beyond not understanding the. graft and i assume by that you mean the professionalism and the way that all of the product is curated, embedded, before anything is presented to him. the partnerships, alliances, people risk their lives to develop -- information that's represented. that craft was lost on him. >> and how long it takes.

and what it takes. and who risks their lives in order to give us the information that we need in order to provide both national and global security. intelligence isn't opinion. intelligence is the disciplined by what you take fundamentally uncertain information and work it so the decision-makers can deal with it with a kind of certainty. but within each sentence, there are untold years, untold risks, and untold relationships that are breed with that. and that, in addition to the particular piece of information, is what you're protecting. so, when you don't understand that or you say, this is something i can share, you need to understand that your potentially unraveling networks that have taken years to build. and are at the cornerstone of global security. cornerstone o>> were you lathed

and having to do a spill assessment based on concerns that he shared something. another one that's really public facing is this oval office meeting with sergei lavrov. i know mcmaster walk to the driveway, to assure the press that he had not engendered sir -- ally sources and methods with lavrov. there were other incidents that he would tweet out photos, he was constantly trying to push sensitive information to the public domain. where it served him. >> anytime information was shared outside the channels that would normally be used to control it. we routinely assessed what the impact of that would be. it's true, a sitting president does have many authorities to make decisions in his role about national security.

nicole, this, is one of the things that get so lost. we have access to classified information to serve the nation's interests. individuals, when they have access to that, and especially when they have access to classified and declassified things. as the president did, as i did some others, you were a steward of the nation's interests. and so, you need to be considering those interest when you make every decision. when it's a sitting president, makes those decisions. that's in his role as a presidential decision about what the nations interests. that's an entirely different role when you're a private citizen, as he is, and i am. now it doesn't mean that at some point the nation can say, gosh, we need the former president or gosh, we nieces gordon to have access to information a new. but when you're no longer in office, you are not the keeper

of the nation's interests. consequently, year authority in your responsibility changes. >> so, he's clearly talking about declassification in the context of personal criminal liability. not the context you're describing. a state interest. >> there's just no, the active declassifying is not a personal act. it's not an act for preference, it's not a max i want to, knock that want to do something. it's because it serves either the national or public and drafts. it's a process you go through, that you work with with experts to say if i declassify, this will be impact be and can we barrett. it isn't something casually down regardless of what you have the authority to do sore not. and it isn't in order to protect yourself or to aggrandize yourself. it's in an entirely different thing. this discussion about authority to declassify. it is not for personal reasons

even if it temporarily -- resides in a prison. >> that's the only way it's being discussed. it couldn't have broken the law, he had the authority. no one of the national security, not even establishment, no one -- as even interested and whether you have the authority or not. they're interested in what's been jeopardized. i wonder when you read, not just a picture for the shock, but when you read the programs that may have been jeopardized. can you take us inside what april haynes likely haven't an -- assessment you would've had to do if you are still there? >> yeah. listen, the active classification system has some very specific guidelines. it isn't casually done either. it's all about the value and specificity of the information. and or the source and methods

used to acquire it. and those have levels of protections imply depending on how exquisite either of the information or the accesses. i'm sure that team is going through every document. making sure that it understands which pieces of it represent that kind of classified information. and then looking at the impact it lost, that usually comes down to what advantage are we deriving from it whether it's in partnership, in methodology, or in the information itself. and they're breaking it down, they're breaking it down by paragraph, this is not going to be an exercise where they just blanket over classified. they'll look at each piece of information. there is professionals who look abbott classification, and

classification levels, and they will be combing through this piece by piece. nicole, the other thing that they know that i don't think and -- and that is, our adversaries have, and competitors have a voice in this. listen, don't be mistaken. foreign threat actors who now know that information, that we deem important, has been, was recently in an unsecured location. they have the wherewithal and the interesting going after that. and they're gonna be looking at that too. we're talking about it as though it's specific just to the person, donald trump. i'm talking about the reason why we have these rules. the reason i brought that up is you don't even have to be going after an individual to know that this action, by any

individual, is putting the nation at risk. our adversaries and competitors, they'll take any advantage and we created an opening that is a much lower guard than they typically have to cross. this isn't a good. day >> when you wrote the op-ed, with that warning, haven't you know that he would be a national security risk? >> part wise how important it is that you understand what you're protecting. the other is how important is that you understand that people will be coming after you. and they're pretty slick. and you don't even have to conspire with them in order for them to be able to work magic to get your information. we have a president that had access to everything.

but he had in my estimation, not a really complete understanding of what he was protecting. and his engagements, who works with, the fact that he has foreign businesses. knowing that he would be in situations where he could be bumped by adversaries who would like information. adyou just knew that, all you have to do was apply the need to know. that's applied to any officer, at any level, to say he just didn't have a need to know. and a remarkable thing about this, if the day came where the nation decided he needed to know. there had been nothing that would keep him from getting proper access to the material that he improperly has been storing. >> this is a question i want to task you, i've talked to a former -- somebody who's worked with you.

a former u.s. intelligence official, who said that if he were normal president, and said i need the snow can you build me -- and send a briefer so i can stay current on these topics. that may have been arranged for him. it feels like where he's in trouble, and a risk to national security, and at risk of having committed agree just crimes may be including violating the espionage act. is that he lied about it. i don't know if you read this -- it's clear that everything you're talking about is in the national security bucket. but the questions only began when you read through how hard they tried, how many lawyers who may now face charges for lying to the fbi. they live for him. when you try to profile the motive of that. what exclamations you come up with? >> the first thing i would say, they're steer zero defense. i cannot imagine a defense.

for the situation in which we find ourselves. there's just non. there is no justification, there's no excuse, there's no defense, zero. from a national security and from a person involved, motivation is a much harder thing to ascribe. and i usually -- other people are thinking. my experience says, is that the former president has his agenda, and he will use whatever is at his disposal to advance that. the problem we have here is that depending on what agenda issues fourth, he has had at his disposal, for long periods of time, information that if he

use that information to advance. it could have devastating consequence to national security. but i can't think of a simpler way to say. why i think that this moment is so difficult. and that's because there's no justification. and knowing who he is, and that he doesn't fully understand. he may not decide to protect if he wanted to do something different. it's a tough situation. i'm glad that we've worked so hard to recover the information. but i fear that it has been essentially the public domain for a long time. >> when you're describing is absolutely hair raising. i want to be sure i understand it. the new york times reported

that he pack the boxes. so, to your point even if he didn't understand it. he was interested in what he was interested in. and what you're laying out is that the conduct and the reckless mid with which classified -- secret classified materials. and you're right, not necessarily what they say but because of what programs they may reveal our what methods they might reveal. it may be in this perception, it sounds like it. if his agenda served by jeopardizing that as. do you think he'll pursue it? >> yeah, i will help. and i always hope. that the president understands the responsibility he carries. and one of those responsibilities was protection of national security information. so, all hope that as he conducts the rest of his life. he understands the responsibility he had to protect that information. but i don't know that there's any reason that he should have

taken it. i don't think there's any reason why he should've taken it. i can't think of any reason why he should use it. but for a period of time, that opportunity existed if he forgot the responsibility he carries for the rest of his life to protect the information he had access. do >> all hope that he does. >> but the circumstance is worrisome. >> did you see him wrestle with those two things, trying to remember the office he held, and trying to pursue his own agendas? >> i don't know that i ever thought about it in those terms. but i think where i started, the intelligence committee always briefed him responsibly. and what i mean by that is he was the president of the united states, we treated him as such.

the assumption is always that the president of the united states understands his responsibility. in taking those documents out of the building, is the first step of showing -- what he's gonna do than with that information. i will hope that it kicks and again. >> do you feel that what you fried in the affidavit, the filing are the first times you've seen him as a threat to national security and the intelligence community? >> everyone that has access to special information, and holds positions, is a target. anyone who forgets that, and acts outside the security rules that are set up in order to help them protect that, presents a threat whether it's a purposeful one or whether it's an inadvertent one.

so if you forget the querétaro get, and you don't follow the rules, you've opened yourself and consequently us. >> to trump seems off as a target simply due to the fact that -- because of his possession and access from sensitive secret programs? >> [silence] i, ganim always hesitant to say how someone thinks about themself. i believe that the president thought that he was above a lot of rules. because he didn't need them. but i also would never presume to know what was inside someone's heart. >> when you read that he traveled with boxes of classified material on foreign

trips, they were carted from hotel to hotel. i've traveled the world -- and i had a stroke on their behalf when i read that. there is one thing that governs how classified materials are handled in the white house, but another one when you take a foreign trip. lots of times the technologies differently. didn't always have our blackberries at every stop. sometimes we left them. what in terms of what we're learning, wear your daily nightmares when you were a neural job, on the half someone didn't think the rules apply to them? >> okay, in his official capacity he had a lot of rings of professionals around ten. to help them execute, to help protect not only ham, the information that he pizzazz. ect not onand also the materiale carried with. am i was worried a little less

about that. now i go back to what i said the reason why you hold your breath, was that our adversaries, those are, adversaries recognize the value of not only individual, and especially physical documents. people always worry, there's sophisticated services with lots of ways, technical inhuman to go after things. i think anyone that suggests that the situation of highly classified documents being out of a secure facility relatively unprotected for a long period of time. and i know one way, doesn't, didn't represent a significance here -- he just doesn't understand that there's people out there who would do us harm. it doesn't even take complicity

on the part of the actor in order to provide the opening for that damage. and so when i say, this problem of lack of understanding is especially difficult. it's because you have to be vigilant. and i don't think that's the word that we would've ascribed him from our security perspective. >> vigilant, not a word to gordon would describe trump to handling classified documents. the understatement of a century. coming up, my conversation with one of the key members of the january 6th select committee, adam kissinger on the midterms, what lies ahead for fellow republican kevin mccarthy. and what the january 6th select committee still has upped its sleeve. don't go anywhere. t go anywhere. just stop. go for a run. go for 10 runs! run a marathon. instead, start small. with nicorette. which can lead to something big. start stopping with nicorette. my active psoriatic arthritis can slow me down.

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that's from an op-ed written by congressman adam kinzinger. one of the key members of the select committee. i had the opportunity and privilege of speaking with congressman kissinger about donald trump, parties in congress, and the red wave the failed to materialize in these midterms. >> tell me what you make about the results on tuesday. and, i know you don't look back very much, but do you wish you'd stayed in the ring, was this election result different when you decided to retire? >> wow, let me first off. say on the wishing side of things, i want to be clear. i had drawn out of my district by democrats in illinois. they drew me. at that said, i'm not sure i was gonna run again. anyway i've been in congress for 12 years, it's a long time and i'm passionate about the focusing on this fright, broader, more nationwide. we are in the house, you're just dealing with every day, messaging votes, and all this

kind of stuff. in terms of the results though. it was fantastic. we all expected, all say i'm guilty of this. i expected as we got closer to the election -- that it was gonna be a red wave. just the history, and everything else. but i think the january six committee, even if people don't vote on that issue, it kind of pop the bubble so to speak. people started feeling uneasy. i think the paul pelosi attack, and dawn the dobbs decision, and the gen z turnout, we had a bit of a defensive democracy. the bottom line, is we need to think differently in how to defend democracy that we have. i talked about uncomfortable alliance. republicans and democrats, you might act to be friends for a little bit to send democracy. it doesn't mean you need to agree on everything. but let's think outside the box, secretary of state -- those where the front lines, and will be the frontlines in

defending democracy in 2024. every candidate i endorsed, i think only one of donald trump's the endorsed one. we worked on the madison cawthorn race, other races in convincing democrats to say, live in a republican district. it's one of those ruby red, revote in the republican primary, and vote for somebody who believes in democracy. and we turned out for 5000 people in that. race that's how we need to think, outside -- that's important. but a lot of the areas we can target that'll make a rifle shot of difference. >> it's clear that trump crossed lines for you. analysts cheney. for me, he crossed those lines way before he ever became president. i was always happy to see more members of my old party feel and crossed those lines, and fight vigorously alongside democrats to protect them. why do you think more people don't feel that he crossed

their red lines in the republican party? >> part of it is tribalism. if one of them says, i've had enough with donald. trump you get kicked out of your tribe. and i gotta tell you, the other top to the extent that exist. the nancy -- amok upset you. you're coming on to. late or maybe of this one issue i disagree with. i think the other thing is though, you can convince yourself on a oral perspective, that you're doing the right thing. you can convince yourself of anything. everyone thinks there are the good guy. so, you can convince yourself that. i need to run again, i need to support donald trump, i need to survive because somebody were to come after me. the other thing is, it's sheer cowardice. when i got elected, i remember -- this was 2000. i got elected in 2010. i remember thinking, if i'm gonna ask people to be willing to die for this country. and obviously, i'm enough to take votes on that, i need to

be willing to give up my career for the same cause. that sounds innovative, but it's so true. we swear an oath to the constitution not because what we're gonna do is easy. and not because i take a poll every time i vote on things like should donald trump be impeached. what's my district say. it's because my oath is not to my district, it's to the constitution. and sometimes that's gonna be, hard everybody forgets that unfortunate way. >> including kevin mccarthy, liz cheney seems to have a special hatred of how he's betrayed's oath. do you share that? >> i gotta tell you, kevin is the biggest disappointment. probably of any friend i've ever had. he was a friend. before the election, i started to notice he was defending donald trump more than he was defending his own members of congress. but he's the guy, he's the entire reason donald trump is

still a political figure. because in the caucus, in the republican caucus after january six. there were some of us speaking out, there was a lot of crickets, people trying to figure out where was this gonna go. and the second kevin mccarthy in his cowardice showed up to mar-a-lago. it changed the tenor in the car. i guess we're doing this, donald trump staying. kevin mccarthy is a coward. if he becomes speaker, it'll be the worst time of his life. in history will not be kind to him. >> what do you think the intervening -- on the tapes, that we've all heard now. that for mccarthy, impeachment wasn't -- advocate of the 20 -- and as you said, he single-handedly revived trump. >> it's all money. he'll even say it. it's. money we all the sudden sea, it's the ton of us that voted for impeachment. we made our little group.

somebody sent a picture of him at mar-a-lago, the second it popped, we said what is he doing. of course immediately there was -- i think all that came down to is it's about raising money, and he always wants to become speaker. you might get the title, kevin. congratulations. it's gonna be miserable. history will judge you well. >> how hostage do you think he'll be to marjorie taylor greene and matt gates, and those folks? what will that look like? >> he's going to be completely hostage. first, of marjorie taylor greene recently said she's all in with kevin mccarthy. wasn't, she doesn't say something unless she's been promised something. matt gates is against marjorie taylor greene, he wants to be more famous than her. and she's kind of -- if he wins and he gets the 218 it's because we don't know what the majority is gonna be. it's like there will be our public and majority. any one of those people, a couple two or three can deny

him the 2019 votes. he's gonna be walking around making deals with everybody. cutting every deal he can with the crazies. i call him the freedom flab. the question, nicolle, is the moderates that laughed, i don't know who they are, or what they believe. are they willing to say, kevin, it's gone too far. will vote against you if you, -- truthfully, as moderates, we generally want to get along. we wanted to govern. it's a lot harder for him to do it. the freedom club just wants to burn it all. dad >> they want to burn it all down. more of my conversation with congressman adam kissinger after the break. what he says about criminal referrals for donald trump. and just how dangerous, cash city hutchinson could be to the disgraced ex president. we will be right back. we will be right back.

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on election. i -- that testify to his knowledge that the fake electors plot was illegal. witness, after witness, after witness that testified the pacific knowledge of the insurrection as being armed, being dangerous. and his wanting to be. there what should the oj do with all that evidence? >> from a committee personally difficulty we always had as we have a limited time that we could probably investigate this for two more years. and it's like, what's the state of what the committee does. i think, my personal opinion, going into the hearing i was nervous. are people gonna listen, do they care, we blew away our own expectations. i think we've told a story, which is donald trump is responsible, not just for the day of january six, that's a minor point, but all the stuff leading up to, it and the fact that nothing's changed since. he sitting in his office for 187 minutes on the six. he intentionally resisted pressure to stop it.

so, what can we do, or probably gonna look at criminal referrals even though we're clear, those are pointless. but i think it's an important message if we do them. we have the report coming up, but doj now they have the torch. doj and the american people, the american people vote for people that actually honor their votes. okay. that's now what we're -- doj, they have more time, more tools, they can enforce more things than we could. i'm fairly certain, that they're going to find some stuff, whether it's this, whether georgia has something, whether it's down with the secret documents that he didn't have. cassidy hutchinson was one of the committee's most important witnesses and she's today testifying with the georgia investigation, and how dangerous issue to donald trump? >> she's very dangerous. she came forward as you saw,

specifically in the hearings we had, where she was so low she was able to give us a lot of insight, that people like steve bannon, people that wouldn't come to talk, to as mark meadows, doj goes after them. cassidy hutchinson will go down historically as the most important person in the. let me make a broader point, whether it's her, people like alyssa vera, all even say my wife, who worked in the administration these republican women that work for donald trump, each one of them have more courage than every man that works for donald trump combined. these men that work for trump, with few exceptions. are unwilling to speak out. if they speak out, it's nuanced. these women are the ones that have come forward and said, there's a line we can't cross here. that's been an amazing eye-opening -- courageous some of these young

people are. i don't think donald trump skinless cape too much from this stuff. >> why do you think that is. that the women are more willing to out his corruption, and potential criminality? >> i don't know. is it because, the man, and his administration are still trying to plot, and scheme and everything else. and some of these women are like, i can't do. it i don't know what it is. i just know who it is. and i know that they have a moral clarity that obviously some of the man in the administration didn't have. even vice president pence, i'm glad he did what his job was on january six. i'm glad he speaking up now. i just wondered for two years, why did you speak out -- maybe it's not that important. have some courage. be able to look at yourself in the mirror. >> you know what i think, i want your perspective having

served in the military. he left his men on the field. -- i've just never seen that before. he met left his most senior staff, to their own devices with the committee. and he doesn't show up. how do you evaluate that? >> look, i think donald trump is scared to dive of what we're doing, what doj is doing. i think with vice president pants, he looked at this and sad, while, i can kind of walk the nuance of, i'm not really, the people that are anti trump by week and not out, i remind them of january six, i won't speak to the committee. my people can. i'm sure everything that the vice president knows, we now know. because it came through his -- but obviously, he wants to run for president. and -- here's the interesting thing for me. if you're fully divorced donald trump on january 7th, and then

just had this moral clarity of that day, put out a new vision for the party, for the country, i think he would be the wrong desantis right now. >> i think he'd be the front runner. i agree. i think the party would've seen him as trump enough. he was so loyal for four years, much to my disappointment but i think you're right in this version of the republican party, he would've inherited it all. let me ask you. he said today, your committee you have no right to use testimony. do any reaction to that. >> our committee is not art. i think this is a big thing. our committee is the american peoples committee. we happen to be the non members of congress plus our staff, that are doing what we were charged with. but this is not a testimony for adam kinzinger. it is not a testimony from liz, frankly, if you want us to be doing this or not, it is still for you. i will also say this, your kids

and grandkids will not believe that. they will not believe that. there will be a lot of people that will be running from whatever did in the first place. -- when you have a record on tv, in print, and then voting. the way i feel bad for these people, it is going to be embarrassing for them i think in the long run. >> you cannot lie to your kids about january 6th, wow. coming up for us, what is the remedy for this rise in extremism? violence and praise conspiracies, congressman adam kinzinger has some ideas, that is next. , that is next.

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beautiful 14 year old boy, emmett till. there was 1955 and he was kidnapped, tortured, lynched, after being accused of whistling at a white woman in a grocery store. his murder stunned the nation, and it ignited the civil rights movement in part thanks to his mom who made the gut wrenching decision in her grief to hold an open casket funeral so the nation and world could their nation and savagely of her son's murder. she spent the rest of her life seeking justice for her beloved boy, she called him beau, and mamie's story has largely been lost to history until right now thanks to the extraordinary new film, till. simply put, it is a masterpiece. it is already generating a lot of oscar buzz, it is essential viewing. my dear friend, academy award

winner will be colbert executive produced the movie. since i have known her, she has been working on making it happen. she also stars in it. we'll be joins us now. since i know you, you have been putting it into being. >> yeah. you, know it is a story that black america has known because it is how we send our children off to go see grandparents, and aunts, and uncles down south. don't forget what happened to emmett till, this is how you need to behave when you are down here. to me, emmett's story is really the culmination of what institutionalized racism looks like. this is what institutional racism allows. it allows people to come in your house to take your kids. it allows people to get away with murdering your kids. it allows people to talk to you as though you do not have any value in the world. and given all that has been happening, all of the things that we are seeing, i really

want to make sure that we tone this in a way that everyone can see. so i tell people, you can bring your 12 year old to see this, you know, you need to -- because if you are going to erase the history that is already being put out there, then we need to put it in a foam so that you can see what this will look like if you do not stop it now. >> you are in the movie, you are wet mamie's mom. but it starts out with this conversation. i mean mamie tells her boy, beau, be small. >> they have a different set of rules down there, are you listening? >> yes. >> you have to be extra careful with white people, you can't risk looking at them the wrong way. >> i know! >> bo, the small down there. >> like this?

>> does that still happen? >> yeah. listen, because racism is so volatile, you have to really, sort of let people know. and it is not like it doesn't happen now. we have seen it over, and over, and over. the fact that this story is 67 years old, you know, 68 years old, means that we haven't gotten it through to people. this is not to make anybody feel anything other than you do not ever want this to happen again. because if it happens with us, it is going to happen to you. if you are lgbtq, if you are a white woman, these issues are yours, as well. it goes from racism to all of

the other isms. it becomes an-ism. this is what you do not want. because isms come to your door at some point. so hopefully people see this and say we do not like that this happened. we think it is bad and we want to do everything we can to make sure it does not happen again. that is my hippie pipe dream. but i believe more people, the more people who see it, the more people who will not forget it, and they will recognize it. >> we see her son her boy off, and then we see the most universal piece of maternal intuition. she knows something is wrong. >> what is wrong, mamie? >> we have never been apart this long. >> he's just going to see his cousins, it's not a bad thing for him to know where he comes from. >> chicago is all he needs to know. i don't want him seeing himself the way those people are seen

down there. >> those people like me? >> even you left mississippi, mom. >> there are so many moments like that where you just want to jump through the screen and tell her to listen to her wisdom to go get her boy. >> yeah, yeah. this happens to ordinary people. this is an ordinary family. there was nothing special about them, they were just a mother and son, you know? they were thrust into extraordinary circumstances. circumstances that none of us who have children ever want to be in, ever. >> talk about the first excruciating thing she does for her boy when she gets him back. >> i mean, when the coffin comes off of that train, the sound -- that is a mother's anguish. that is a mother's gut wrenching knowledge of what has

happened, you know? and that feeling takes us through the next several scenes, which are some of the most gut wrenching scenes ever, and it is shot beautifully, and it is shot the way it is so that you, the viewer, can stand next to mamie as she is about to make this decision of what to do for this funeral. >> it seems like she carried him with her her whole life. >> her whole life until she passed away. this was the fact that it was so easily done to not just her boy, but a child. they had no compunction to do this about a child. again, it is a place that you do not want to be in. it is a thing that none of us

parents ever want to be in the middle of, because you know, your kids want to go see their family, they want to go and they want to have fun, and you do not want to be the one saying do not do it, i am scared, you want them to have some freedom. and sometimes, horrible things can happen, you know? so what do you do? you try to pay as much homage to your child. so that people do not ever forget his name. >> there is a thing that is so today, wanting people to see with their eyes, because truth was already in a struggle with the deception, and the lies of racism. >> if you think back to all of the loss that we as a nation have had, the loss of what racism brings out and all of the people we have lost, and what they could have done with their lives, had they lived. we think of all of the people, you know? trayvon martin, you think of

anyone who has lost their life because someone didn't think you looked right. you know? >> the conversation is about emmett till, but it is central to the conversation that is going on today. >> well, you do not have a choice. here is the thing, if you got rid of racism, you wouldn't have to talk about it. but if you stay in it, it is going to continue to be a conversation because people are always going to say this is not right. racism isn't right. it does not matter what race it is, it does not matter what your belief system is, it is not right, and it is not okay, and as long as this remains america, people are going to fight to eradicate racism. because it is inherent in our society, unfortunately. >> and she becomes, she becomes

a messenger for all of that. but is that what she wants to do? >> no. that was her child. >> she becomes someone that everyone wants to see, and meet, because of the decisions she makes, that the country will bear witness to the sovereignty that her son endured. >> yeah. >> did you caution your son to how to conduct himself, and behave himself while he was down here? >> several times. >> do tell us how. >> i will give you a literal description of what i told him. how coming down here, he would have to adapt himself to a different way of life. the very careful about how he spoke, and to whom he spoke, and to always remember to say yes sir, and no ma'am. i told him that if ever an incident should arise where there would be any trouble of any kind with white people, that if it got to the point where he needed to go down on his knees before them, i told him not to hesitate to do so. like if you bump into somebody on the street, and they might get belligerent or something. well, i told him to go ahead

and humble himself, so asked not to get into any trouble. but -- >> but what? >> i raised him with love for 14 years. my warnings about hate we're not going to get through. >> the film makes clear that through actions, she changes the conversation. and through words, she joins the movement. what did she hope for? >> i think she hoped that we would not have to sit through anything like this again. i think her major hope was that this would never happen to another child. that no other mother would have to go through what she goes through. that was her initial feel. and the bigger picture was to say to people that you have a voice. you can stop things like this. if you pay attention, if you recognize that i am you, and

you are meet, we can do something. and you know, progress have been slowly, but it can happen. we have seen it. we made all kinds of changes, we have seen all kinds of amazing things happen, and now we are seeing it slip backwards. >> what do you think the regression is rooted in? >> well you do not want me to say, i think it is him, that man who i will not say. >> do you think -- obviously >> he tapped into it! >> you said in 2015, he is your president, y'all. you knew he was tapping into something. because it is a call in an answer with him. >> it is not just that, but when you our professing to run companies, and run businesses, and you are this zillionaire, and you know all of the stuff, and you do it on television, people believe that that was his office. they didn't know it was a set. they didn't know it was a set. he had a good talk, he knew how to talk on tv, and he is a good

communicator. but i knew, because i watched people say, you know, he knows how to run companies, and he knows how to make money, and he knows how to make us better, and he was aspirational. >> to them -- >> for them, yeah! and i think that when people believe that you can fly, when you get people to believe that you are part of the second coming, people are desperate. he's not god, he hasn't walked on any water. but because of his job, he was given away the get well quicker. he is as human as i am. and he does not have any answers. getting rid of history books,

and changing the way history is told, it is not going to change the fact that people are still going to be here. native americans are here, black people are here, women are here, gay people are here, you are not getting rid of them by getting rid of the history books. we will just put it on film. >> and that is what this movie does. >> this movie is the same way that i learned about and frank. you watch the movie, you say oh my god, this is what happened? i don't like that. if you can't get it in the history books, get it from the film. if you don't get it from the film, you get it from the oral conversation. but the conversation is not stopping. you are not going to stop the conversation. and you cannot deny, we have a checkered history, this is america, this is what happened. but if we do not stop it from happening, it is going to continue, and if you stop talking about it, and not pointing it out, it is going to continue, yeah. are we perfect? no. this is never going to be a

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the conversation to the vastness of the grief. >> yeah. you talk to eric garner's mom, you talk to trayvon's mom, you talk to george floyd's mom. these women are swimming in this grief, and -- >> forever! >> forever, you know? the key is to remember that it is not just us, it is not just us, this is happening too little children all over the country. is it too many guns, are we not paying any attention? we are not paying attention! you know? and we have got to really get our act together, because man, if we go down that other slippery slope, who are we then? if you want to see what that endgame of putting all of those people in looks like, go see till, and know that you could

be next. this could be your life. is that what you really want? >> the film is glorious in its grace, and in its ability to just cut through. what is it about, you know, we talk about the news every day for our day job. why can't we cut through the beautiful film? >> we had one story to tell, that is what we are telling. journalists have a lot of stories they have to tell. talking heads do not have any of those, they can talk about whatever, and put any spin they want to on it. so we, as a nation, we have to say okay, you know why? talking heads are over here, journalist people, you are still held to this kind of, you are still held up here. but the fcc can say you know what? those laws that we have in place that said that you have to be on point,, you must tell

the truth, you have to have three or four things to back it up, that is back in play. and if you do not have, if you do not talk. you do not report. you cannot do this job. >> not platform-ing both sides? if you are telling a lie, you don't get a spot on the conversation? >> yeah, you know, they will continue to be lies, because you have all of these different platforms where people can write whatever. and it is hard at work to just swim through -- through the bs. you know, we maybe passed all of that now. maybe we are past trying to clean this up. i don't think that it can be cleaned up, i think that we have to start from scratch. >> are you optimistic? >> always, always. >> how? >> because i have seen it. i have seen people pivot. >> you still believe in the people of voting, and the sanctity?

>> too many people died for this. too many people in my life died for the right to vote. so i believe in, and i believe that when you are born in america, that is the only gift they give you. >> right now? >> is the only thing you get, and it is yours, you know? it is yours to do with you please. so, i do not want to lose that, because if you lose the right to make change, we are so boned, it is not even funny. >> i mean, the film, i don't want to spoil things, but it does and with how long it took to pass the emmett till and i lynching act. it passed this year. it took seven years after his murder. so for both sides of your foot point, it works, but it takes a very long time. >> but it doesn't have to. it could go so much faster if

people would just come to the fact that yes, this exists, yes we can do something about it, and yes i understand that you are equal to me. those three things, yes it exists, yes we can do something about it, and yes you are my equal, and you will be treated as such. i want you to treat me the way you would want to be treated. we do those three things, we would be flying. >> you have a sense of what you have done with this film? >> well, i think that we all -- the director, and barbara, and fred solo, and michael, we all know, we know what we wanted to do, and we feel like we have gotten that done. it is my hope that enough people see it, and also see the movie aspect of it. this young lady that plays his mother, her name is danielle,

she is stunning, you know? it is a stunning performance. >> everything, her eyes are everything, they are -- her grief, they are her boy, you see her boy on her face, because he is always in her thoughts, everything she does is about her baby. i mean, the universality of that of a mother's story, is just the most exquisite thing i have ever seen. >> it is a mother's story. and when you see it, you see ordinary people, an ordinary 14 year old boy going to see his cousins, he is in his room, you know? this is how everybody lives, we lived as well as we could with what we had. so, these are important things to know, that this is our story, that it is your story, it is her story, it is his story, it is all of our story. these are our children. and you have children, this is your story. if you are a mother, this is your story. if you are a dad, this is your story.

but you are talking about the mother, because dot is how the world works for it emmett and his mother, it was the two of them. and this is their story. and her story of how she honored her son until the second that she died. and all she wanted was for somebody to give him justice. so, will we get justice with the movie? no, but maybe she will have to answer some questions, the woman on the other side of this. i just want her to answer some questions, that is all. there has to be a consequence for this. not taking her life away, what is left of it, but having to say out loud, in front of people, yes. this happened because of me. and i am devastated. >> you want her to see the movie? >> yeah.

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remain in awe for your courage to find purpose to your pain. to find purpose through your pain. but the law is not just about the past, it is about the president. and our future as well. >> that was president joe biden in the rose garden this year

after signing the emmett till anti-lynching act officially 67 years later, making nching a federal hate crime. but it took that long to make that happen is shocking. along with the fact that three republicans voted against the measure. joining our conversation, -- and msnbc political analyst. we will get with all that is broken but we should start with the divine. i know that you have seen till as well and has had a chance to talk to folks involved in making the movie. i watched it tuesday night and i am still racked. it took me a minute to get myself together and to talk to would-be about it. just tell me your thoughts on the movie. >> it took me a long time to get myself together, actually, nicole. those who brought this film to life have done a magnificent job. danielle, oh my god! as mamie till, she is just

extraordinary in her performance. what did we see? we see the murder of innocence. but we also saw what? mamie till's courage, her conviction, and her faith. and those three things and so many ways gave birth to the modern civil rights movement. in some ways, nicole, the murder, the lynching of emmett till who was the answer to brown v. board of education. and the response to emmett till 's murder, the response to the photos in the magazine and september of 1955 was the master mobilization of everyday ordinary people for the bill of freedom. it is an extraordinary film to capture an extraordinary moment. >> it is so horrific to see a mother put her baby boy on a train and tell him to be small, and it is just the first of the horrors that she goes through. the second, will be and i talked about it, it's her primal scream when her baby comes home in a casket. and i would box.

and some of what we covered together, i think, is this collective primal scream at what feels like regression, and going back, that there are unsanctioned moments of flagrant racism from sitting republican senators. mr. tuberville, that are not, they do not have the consequence of a political price, if anything they have political elevation. and i watched this movie in horror, and in awe. also in deep fear that we are just going back in the wrong direction. >> and you remember in the film, nicole, mrs. mamie till had a premonition. she knew her baby was not going to come home. she knew that when she sent him south, something bad was going to happen to him. or that moment in the coroner's room where she feels, she takes her hands, and she runs her fingers across every part of her body.

and cries it deep, guttural cry. and then to the aunt, who was in mississippi, who felt like she couldn't look at the body, she says no, we have to look. we have to look. and you know, we are talking about this in the context -- i just received the mailer from stephen miller's organization, talking about biden, and the radical left are discriminating against white americans, and asian americans, i mean just a blatant racism. and then i am thinking about the fact that emmett till's memorial marker has had to be replaced four times and mississippi. the first one was thrown into the river, the second and third one was riddled with bullets. the last one they had to put up, i'm talking about right now, nicole, they had to put up a bulletproof memorial. so when you talk about the present nature of this, there is a line, really quickly from william faulkner, in 1955 in

response to the murder of emmett till. he said if we are in america have reached a point and are desperate culture when we must murdered children, we will not survive. and probably shouldn't. >> whenever you say really quick, you never have to be really quick with us. you know, practice the only word that i can think of, it cracks you open. but the most shocking thing is when the black screen comes up and you see the anti-lynching act passed this year. it took us 67 years to pass a federal anti lynching legislation. i remember covering, at the time being aware of that, but putting it all out there at this moment feels very important. >> yes, you know we have never really grappled with, i think, fundamentally with our debt in

this regard. i think that one of the horrors, i remember as we talked about this over the trials, and tribulations over the last few years, have felt so angry because it feels as though sometimes the country just runs over our dead, just runs past it. fast and loose. the fact that it took 67 years, and we still have do not have, they made a slight mistake, caroline brian said that she did not lie, she did not say that, she has not admitted it. and we still do not have justice. in some ways, the film tries to, someone is vindicating this young lady. he did not play a role in his murder, and some people think that he did. the fact that we waited this long shows how corrupt we are when it comes to this matter. how corrosive it is. how monstrous we have been and how monstrous we can be, it seems. >> i had a very long conversation with would be, and we are going to show us much of

it as we can hear, i would love you to be part of this conversation, and we can put it altogether somewhere, because it is really important, and your perspectives are really important to me. thank you so much for spending time with us today. quick break for us, we will be right back. right back

with antisemitism and hate flaring up across our country, with the reckoning underway about what we eat is citizens of this democracy want our nation to look like going forward, along comes till, a

new film by my good friend whoopi goldberg that race is powerful and important questions about our nations past. for what me and her coproducer on the film, keith motion, this was a labor of love, a passion project many years in the making. i had the chance to peek with mr. beauchamp who's journey to making this film began with a documentary in 2005 in which we hear from the real mamie till about her gut wrenching decision to hold an open casket funeral for her only son, a decision that would change history. >> i looked at mr. rainier, and mr. rainier wanted to know, was i going to have the casket opened. i said oh yes, we are going to open the casket. he said, well, miss bradley, do you want me to do something for

the face? want me to try to fix it up? i said no. let the people see what i see. i want the world to see this. >> it's extraordinary. an extraordinary woman. so the man who conducted an interview with mamie till was documentary film maker keith beauchamp. he and whoopi goldberg will this film into being. he is the co-writer producer of till. also reverend al sharpton, president of the national action network. keith, i said this to would be esterdy, i will say it to you. the film is a masterpiece. it wrecks me to watch the film and then to see way may. tell me your story of how you came to make the movie. >> the movie itself has taken me 29 years, close to 20 years with fred, whoopi goldberg. this is something mother mobley

was trying to do before she passed away. in fact in 1955 and 56 she did have two movie deals. but the film was never made. so while her 47 year struggle fighting to get justice for her son, she had also tried to get this velma made. i can honestly tell you, it was quite rewarding to be able to fulfill this particular promise that was given to her before she passed away, that we would do all that we can to make sure that this story has a broader platform so the world can be awakened again by the murder and the legacy of emmett louis till. >> when i talk to warby about yesterday was this clarity that she has and everything she does, or decision to go to mississippi for the trial, her decision to do what she is telling you there in the dock,

have a casket open. the time when she says, leave us alone, and she's talking about her and her son in the coroner's office, and then she spends that time with her. she describes touching every part of him. and then she goes out and she brings the cameras in. she wants people to believe what they see with their own eyes. how much do you feel that message is needed today, keith? >> i think we are seeing it today. in particular the george floyd case. the young lady who had herself phone and decided to make this courageous decision to film what she saw. that was an extension of the work of mother mobley. we see this time and time again, unfortunately recently it's not natural for us to see deaf in realtime but think about this. if this young lady did not take out her phone to film what was going on with george floyd,

would we have ever known his story? and so we think about what has happened in this country and how technology has evolved over the years. what we are seeing today is nothing different than what we saw back in 1955, when mother mobley made the courageous decision decision to allow photographers in to that coroner's office to actually take pictures of emmett till's corpse. i'm truly overwhelmed by the response that we are seeing about this film. but this is what mother mobley wanted. she wanted the world to be awakened, once again, to the atrocities that we are continuing to face in this country today. >> rev, something whoopi and i spoke of yesterday was that moms don't want this ever to become their lifes work. they don't want this to be

doing instead of raising their sons or daughters. in a lot of ways many moms have followed in her footsteps. and you know all of them. your thoughts? >> i do know just about all of them, including the george floyd family. i did participate in a lot of the marches. i also got to know mamie, the mother of emmett till. i was only a year old when it happened, but through her continued involvement, she came to work several times, one time to come for the family of james birds who knew who was dragged to death inject asper, texas. i remember keith was like her son. in many ways i guess he was almost like what would've emmett till been. i'm so proud of him and as well

as whoopi for getting it out. because i was able in many of years and getting to know may need to know how important this was to her and the one thing i remember, nicole, and i share this with keith, when i was a teenager during the movement in the north, rosa parks wind, she sat in front of the box, the boss, again after emmett tail, she told us she thought about it but she couldn't get up. she thought about emmett till. that's how significant mamie till mobley opening that casket, letting the world see her son was. it was the direct reason rosa parks didn't get off that bus. and it took all these years to thank god for a person like keith and for maybe the stories out so people understand it. it didn't start with george floyd. it continues with george floyd. it started with a courageous woman opening that casket.

not the lynching started but starting to expose what we have to deal with and why we have to deal with racism in this country. the story can't be told without the story of mamie till mobley. >> keith, made me cry when the rev said that. how do you feel when he says? that that she thought of you? >> you know, i was very young when mother mobley and i were together. she was my mentor for eight and a half years until she took her last breath. it's a sense of fulfillment. i'm battling a lot of emotions right now because we lost a lot of people along the way, a lot of the witnesses that i interviewed for the untold story of emmett till that led to the reopening of the case. so you have that question in your head or are you doing the right thing or you second guessing wiley why you're here going through all those emotions but one saying i know for sure is that it is very important that we continue to

tell his story as mother mobley would say until man's consciousness has written, because only then that would mean justice for emmett tail. >> rev, what was watching this film like for you. you know the story. the film is transports you and even if you are familiar with it i wonder what that was like. >> it reminded me of how we had to be of two minds in this country. i was born and raised in brooklyn, new york, my mother was from alabama. when we would visit her folks in alabama we literally head what mamie till mobley had to do, we were taught how to act down. there can you measure the pain and humiliation of a mother having to tell their child that you have to act a certain way to accommodate peoples hatred of you. and the pain it must be inside of them to have to tell their

child, don't act normal. you have to accommodate other peoples ugliness. i think for them to put it in the movie is so important, for people to understand how you broke people spirit to where they had to treat their kids a certain way to accommodate being treated in an inhumane way. that is a very strong and awesome burden the people had to carry. but they did. and maybe mobley represented. that >> keith, what do you want people to take from the experience of this? >> i would like for people who got to see this film to understand that this is not just a movie, it's a movement. it's a movement to reconcile all the world world has done in the past when it comes to civil rights in this country. the family and i will still fight for justice. that hasn't been talked about as much as it should be. and now that there's one person

who is still remaining who can be held accountable for the kidnapping and murder of emmett louis till, i think we need to exhaust every avenue to make sure that happens. emmett was the catalyst that sparked the american civil rights movement. i think he deserved a lot more than just us seeing a story on television or seeing his story in a movie theater. i think we need to uphold the legacy of mamie till mobley and continue the fight that she started. now we're seeking justice for the lynching of her son, but also the wrong that have been done in this country. we need to expose it needs to be corrected. >> keith beauchamp, reverend al sharpton, i hope this is a conversation we can continue over many months and weeks. congratulations, case on the film. it's exquisite. till is in the theaters right. now a quick break for us. we will be right back.

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she put her son emmett on a train to mississippi to visit her cousins. it would be the last time she would see her beautiful boy alive. hug your loved ones. tight our thanks to my friend whoopi goldberg, one of the producers of important movie till, in theaters now. thank you for letting us into your homes during this extraordinary time. for all of us are deadline white house, we wish you all happy and peaceful holiday weekend. oliday weekend.