and good morning to you. it is saturday november 26th, i am ali velshi. election day is behind us but midterms aren't entirely over just yet. we know that come january, congress is going to be split. democrats have retained control of the senate, republicans will take control of the house. but the final makeup of both chambers is still unsettled with a few races yet to be called. result still trickling in. alaska for instance it will amend a rank choice voting system for the first time in a general election. there is also taking a little longer to tabulate, but a few days ago, msnbc news projected that republican senator lisa murkowski has won reelection. murkowski was one of only seven republican senators who voted to impeach donald trump following the january 6th insurrection last year. the ranked choice system meant that murkowski was up against a fellow republican, kelly tshibaka, who was endorsed by donald trump.

sriracha back is lost by the way, is the latest vote to trump a blow to trump. chicago is hurt his preferred candidate because she had been repeating his lies about the 2020 election for the past two years. while they were concerned that trump backed election deniers may cause mayhem following the din election, many trump loyalists have conceded without much issue. with a few notable exceptions. arizona republicans, kari lake, mark finchem, and the aid comedy entered the race as some of the country's most prominent election liars which won the backing of donald trump. and bc news has projected that lake and finchem lost the races for governor and secretary of state respectively. meanwhile, eight hamadeh's race for attorney general in the state against the jets democrat christmas is so close that it has triggered a mandatory recount. mazes leading hamadeh by 510 votes as of the last count. not only have none of the republicans conceded, but they spent the last two and a half

weeks actively sowing seeds of doubt about this year's elections. we are going to take a deeper dive into those races where things stand for trump-ism at later this hour. but right now, polls are open again in georgia for early voting in the senate runoff election between democratic incumbent raphael warnock and his republican opponent herschel walker. opening up the pulse today wasn't without its challenges. last, year georgia republicans enacted a new set of voting laws that they called the election integrity act of 2021. one of the provisions specified that early in person voting shall not be held on any saturday following a public or legal holiday that falls on a thursday worry friday. and since thanksgiving was just thursday, georgia's republican secretary of state, brad raffensperger who has been reelected, declared that early voting today, saturday november 26th, should not be allowed. democrats and that senator warnock's campaign sued in order to challenge raf in berger's decision to broaden

access to early voting. a fulton county judge agreed with them writing, quote, the court that the absence of the saturday vote will irreparably harmed the plaintiffs, their members, constituents, and their preferred runoff candidate. all the republicans appeal that decision, georgia's state supreme court upheld the lower courts ruling this week, allowing polling places to open up this morning. early voting will continue until friday december 20, december the 2nd. and tuesday december six will be the final day to vote in the runoff election. all the democrats of already won control of the senate, this remains a hotly contested race. high profile political figures have been dispatched to help galvanize turnout in this runoff, which is historically has low levels of voter turnout. the republican senators ted cruz and lindsey graham have traveled to georgia to campaign with herschel walker. senator warnock is getting a boost as well. the former president, barack obama, will return to atlanta this thursday to energize georgia voters to head to the polls one more time this

election circle. for more on this i'm joined by reporter for the new york times who covers states in the southern region, maya good morning to you. thank you for being with us. what is the state of the race in georgia right now? >> hi. thank you for having me. essentially what we are seeing is a full sprint to election day. cory booker is also in georgia to campaign on behalf of raphael warnock. as you pointed out, today is the first day of early voting for this runoff period after a long battle for saturday voting in georgia. this is something that is going to benefit democrats and republicans because everybody will have access to the ballot today. but the people that you see taking to the streets and encouraging their voters to turn out in really large numbers are democrats. particularly raphael warnock in his campaign, but a number of democratic leaders and activists who have really been encouraging black voters, young voters, and infrequent voters to turn back out in this race that has been widely used in

around georgia now one more time. >> one more time. what is it, why was this law changed anyway? what is the thing about you can't vote on a saturday after a legal holiday? that happens on thursday or friday. this was not in place last time we had a georgia runoff. >> it was not. with a large reason why it was not in place was because the georgia runoff in 2020 took place over a nine-week period. so voters had a lot more time to cast ballots, and these provisions against saturday voting after a holiday, something that was actually put in place in 2016, was rather obsolete. because early voting didn't start in 2020 until several weeks later, but now, just a four-week runoff period, every single day of voting is crucial. and i think that is a large reason why democrats in particular sued to make sure that saturday voting would be available. this is the one weekend that they really have to turn out a lot of their base that may not have the time or the ability to cast ballots on weekdays.

>> herschel walker is an interesting candidate to mid summer publican candidates have trouble openly supporting because he is so interesting. there is the argument that if this was not about control of the senate that republicans would not have the same enthusiasm for supporting him the second time around. how is that turning out? when you look at enthusiasm for both warnock and walker, it seems like there is a lot of national interest and a lot of money going into this race from both sides. >> definitely a lot of bloody, particularly on the airwaves. republicans have had to re-craft their message to voters. what they are saying is, while the decision to of, as you said it might already be decided, if herschel walker is indeed a u.s. senator, it would be 50/50 rather than 50 1:50. and so the way that a number of republicans who talk to base voters have tried to frame this is, putting herschel walker in the senate as a fire wall of sorts against joe biden's legislative agenda in the united states senate.

particularly as it relates to passing federal judges. and having control of committees. from what i have heard, that has been something that has resonated with a number of republican voters at the base. but the people who walker is really going to need are these moderate independent voters in and around the metro atlanta suburbs. we saw that about 200,000 of those voters, elected brian kemp does not support herschel walker. those are the people that they are trying to go after. and whether or not that message of control the senate will really resonate with them is still unclear. >> maya, i don't get into the habit of ask my guess about other guess but i believe you have some particular insight into my next guest, roland martin. >> i do. a police toro and i said hello. >> i will, he is coming up next. maya, good to see you. mike agency politics report at the new york times. i'm joined now by my good friend and good friend of the show role in martin. imagining editor at the ruling martin unfiltered digital show. author multiple books, including his newest one called white fear.

how the branding of america's making white folks looser mind. and, my oh was your intern. >> absolutely. when we launched the show in 2018. so it is great to see how she has risen in the profession. >> roland, talk to me about this race and what your take is on where we are and how it is going. herschel walker, every couple of days something interesting happens with this guy. >> you use the word interesting for different. times i would probably use a different. where at the end the day, or the republican simply don't. care what they wanted was someone who match the popularity of senator raphael warnock. there is some no doubt that they deliver to get an african american to run. a little bit of a revelation that he just took a tax break based upon his home in texas that he is claiming to be georgia. this sounds like dr. oz in pennsylvania. really being from new jersey running in pennsylvania as well. but the bottom line is that herschel walker is grossly unqualified. has no business being anywhere near the senate, but remember,

republicans have one of the dumbest people in america, tommy tougher field a u.s. senator from alabama. and so again, they really don't care. it is about an issue of power. about being in control. and what democrats need to understand, i think that we heard some democrats say hey. we control the senate, georgia is not that important. keep in mind, whoever wins winds a six-year term. if you are democrat, you are going to want that seat because 2024 is going to be a tough road map as well. so you want a win wherever you can get a win. >> where do you feel the enthusiasm is coming from? because again, if you look at the airwaves, you look at other tv stations, herschel walker is up there. lot he has got some promenades. with him. democrats are there, lot brought about by showing up. i haven't heard about donald trump's schedule filling anything with herschel locker at the moment. >> that is because republicans don't want him anywhere near georgia. in fact, the warnock campaign has been including trump in

their political ads, knowing full well how lethal using his name is to spurring out their voters. also the fact that matters this year. and if any voters, you saw the swift ticketing of them as well. republicans who voted for brian kemp, who did not vote for herschel walker, that was critical right there. and remember, republicans purposely change the voting laws because they saw what happened in 2020. in fact, not only did they move voting back a month, if you did not register to vote for the general election, the deadline to vote in the runoff was actually the monday before november 8th. so base about what happened emirate, too late you couldn't even register. and that was by design as well. so i think what you are seeing is, you are seeing really a boots on the ground operation. mcconnell is spending significant amounts of money. bring in brian kemp's get of the vote strategy. democrats are doing the exact same thing. third party groups are also

going to be critical. door knocking, going from places. i'm going to be on the ground working with folks like black voters matter and others beginning on monday in georgia. i'll be there through december six because we are going to be going to places like columbus, strains, burrow going to a lot of those rural places in georgia were a lot of african americans live. people keep focusing on that land stuff. when you look at the collection voters in those rural parts of georgia, that could be the difference for senator raphael warnock leaving herschel walker. >> raffle warnock is a good orator obviously. he is a preacher. but he is actually keeping up lower key in this campaign. he's talking about policy more than anything in this debate with herschel walker that herschel walker claims he cleaned the floor with warnock. we're not just sort of kept to himself. his strategy seems to be, let herschel be herschel. >> but you also have advisor saying, look, if you go to hearted herschel walker you will make him sympathetic. i disagree with that. i think you would expose him as well. but remember, he is operating

as the incumbent. he this is not 2020 where he was running to defeat -- and you had of running against david perdue. so his whole deal is i'm the united states senate. so he wants people to protect that in talking about policy, but the reality is, it also is going to come down to republicans. they're gonna say it doesn't matter. it doesn't matter what herschel walker has done when it comes to abortions. look at one of the women who says he is audiotape of him as well. that had barely a ripple. republicans do not care. they do not care. and so that is not the difference. this is going to be, who can get the vote out. it is going to be a groundwork. you can run all the ads on television that you want to, but they have to be doing massive door knocking. that is what is gonna boil down to and that is where the war not campaign has been very strategic in terms of really hitting the ground. >> yeah, so let's talk about those who knew thousand people, republicans in theory, who voted for brian kemp who didn't vote for herschel walker. what is the magic there?

what do democrats want to happen? they want us to have thousand people to stay home or those two new thousand people to vote for warnock or to support that? what happens. who are they, what are democrats doing about? it >> there are two things they want. they want republicans who were ticked off in 2020, who did not vote, to do the exact same thing again. so for donald trump, every time he says rogue, those folks stay at home. that is what they want. that is why some conservatives were saying, why are you all fighting even early voting? that is awesome. we want our folks to be voting early. but also, going after those independent voters who say, i am repelled by herschel walker. you want those folks to return. and so that is what you want. but again, what you want to make sure is that people. they are both base voters are turning out. if you are spending your time trying to go after republicans who don't like herschel walker, that is a dumb strategy. you hope that they turn out for you. but it is a base election. that is what this boils down to

and that is what the warnock votes are targeting, based voters. african american voters, female voters, young voters. those gen z voters are gonna be critical. and that is why you are seeing a very clear effort going after those college campuses as well. >> roland, good to see was always my friend. thank you for always being available when i ask. you have done for stuff for us on the show from all of the place. so, interesting to see you just and like a normal place sitting down. >> well actually, i am new orleans for the bayou classic. >> i knew would be something like that evolved. roland, good to see you. roland -- is the host of managing editor of juan martin. author of the book, white fear. still ahead, lattice election deniers we've been feted this november but the threat posed to democracy remains a concern. we are going to take a look at some of the election liars who did win statewide offices. plus, twitter as we know it seems to be collapsing. is there any saving it?

do we want to save? it roger mckinney who knows a thing or two about social media companies say that elon musk's takeover has set a new standard for disruption. not necessarily any good way. i will talk to mckinney, former advisor to mark zuckerberg. you are watching velshi. advisor to mark zuckerberg you are watching velshi. roster ever created. ♪♪ it's subway's biggest refresh yet! (woman 1) i just switched to verizon business unlimited. it's just right for my little business. unlimited premium data. unlimited hotspot data.

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today since almost completed his 44 billion dollar acquisition of twitter and there are fears or hopes depending on where you are that is deteriorating the point where it may cease to exist, the most controversial move a farmer failed president muscular harlem self to use a twitter poll to determine trump status. nearly 52% of the 50 million users on top of letting one of the mosque slash twitter staff and half. laying off my the members of the longtime cybersecurity staff resigned as well -- even appetizer getting ahead of the situation which account for

twitter revenue. more than a third of twitter's top 100 clients not advertising the platform on the past two weeks. for many reasons twitter is not a good place to dwell on the internet, right now. but, one of the crucial point is that elon musk's misguided crusade for free speech has actually opened up the platform to even more hate speech. on thursday, musk said that he plans to grant amnesty for other suspended accounts beyond donald trump's. online safety experts predict that it will spur a rise in harassment and more information. an early investor and google and facebook writes in time the twitter is collapsing and nothing can replace it. -- in the absence of aggressive regulatory intervention if there is no way to change course until the company declared bankruptcy.

. joining me now is the aforementioned cofounder elevation partners. he is an early investor and google and facebook. he has the author of the bestselling and important book -- waking up to the facebook fast way and he is advisor of the group stop hate. -- >> always a pleasure,. >> people like me had wellness world, journalists, politicians, celebrities are all lamenting the idea that mask is wrecking twitter is a bad thing that twitter might actually disappear and collapse? >> i think if if it a spare that will probably be a bad thing for democracy, public, health and public safety. i think that is the least likely outcome. i think what mask is doing i think the reason that matters less than a quarter size of

instagram punches above its weight because it is the platform that politicians, journalists, and celebrities years. it has and how people understand this. what musk is doing is he is essentially going in and imposing his world feel. he has made this thing into a soap opera with himself as the lead character. and, in the process he is drawing enormous amount of attention for himself, which is i think the goal. he is doing it by, basically, just thumbing his nose at what was the twitter establishment. you know, the harm of this is much less in what happens on twitter then what happens with the data and who gets to control voices in this country. twitter is a platform that has been open to all kinds of voices that are normally suppressed, even in a democracy. those voices are being harmed,

here. >> that is actually a point to people across the political spectrum spare. that voices should be given platforms. they promised some of those voices are, as you said, traditionally underrepresented. are not otherwise out there. some of them are not represented because he wants not conception a first amendment and freedom of speech since realness got it, what is the right way to look at those who do not have voice. >> the problem is that advertising is what drives voters business not all content is equally great at grabbing attention, it turns out that hate speech and disinformation conspiracy theories are unusually good at commanding attention. it triggers peoples flight or fight reflects. and, so, in mosques concept he

overlays his own personal viewpoint of free speech. which is, essentially, anyone who agrees with him gets free speech. and, everyone else, well, they are not entitled to the this is same rights. cgtn, so, you china global television network. overlay that onto the advertising model of twitter, and you get a stew of really harmful speech overwhelming everybody else. that is exactly what is going on right now. >> elon musk response to that in a tweet from november 18th, new twitter policy's freedom of speech but not freedom of rich. negative hate tweets will be masks de boasted and demonetize. so, no ads or other revenue to twitter. you will not find the tweet unless you specifically seek it out, which is no different than the rest of the internet. >> and he says, by the way, this applies to almost vigil tweet but not the whole count. does that give you any comfort? >> not least. the reason is because the way the advertising works on twitter his point about things being the monetized is just not sense.

that is not what is going to happen. and so, the thing about mask is you cannot take him at his word. he constantly says things and then reverses course days, weeks, months later. and so, i think what you have to do is look at his actions. he quite clearly is doing things that promote far-right speech over other kinds of speech. again, that is his right. the problem that we have is that we will have essentially turned over the biggest communications systems in our country. effectively the places where democracy takes place to a handful of billionaires whose personal politics and personal ambitions are at odds with democracy. and, we say this, right now, all over the place. it is going on in facebook, it is going on in twitter. and, you look at this and say to yourself how does democracy go forward in an environment where a handful of people who do not believe in it controlled a platforms for democracy taking place?

>> so, to the donald trump and i know many other people other than donald trump reinstated people who had the commission since january 6th, there was a very specific and important reason why some of these accounts were decommissioned at that point, that is because they were involved in what appeared to be an insurrection against the united states government. now donald trump's a candidate for president. 52% of that poll, i have no idea statistically who was involved in that poll on twitter and how scientific it was, said that they wanted donald trump back. that was the basis, essentially, for elon musk's decision. does that make sense? should donald trump back on twitter? is there some reason that he should not be that is clear to you? >> so, the thing i do not understand is how someone who incited an insurrection at our large and eligible to run for united states, we have essentially involved in this country a system where billionaires are not held accountable to the same rules.

that a place trump, musk, many other billionaires. i look at this and think to myself seeing failures at the regulatory level and i think we as citizens are failing to make ourselves heard, we are acting as though we don't have a role during this conversation we are passive observers. in my experience democracies only work we all recognize that we have agency. it is our job. >> do you drawing any of these other alternative platforms? >> i have sampled a whole bunch of them, i have unmasked it time and i am on post. what i can say is they're not what twitter is, twitter is a unique thing and whether you like it or hate it, twitter has become very important to a lot of people. i do not think the twitter that we have liked, which has never been perfect, is going to survive musk's leadership. now, i do not see anything

coming along that is going to replace it in exactly the same way, the things that are there now are so small that particularly for celebrities and politicians they do not serve the immediate need that those communities have. the other side of this is i am not sure that that needs that they have is one that democracy needs. >> that is a billion point, maybe that is something i did not need. when i discovered i -- roger, thanks, good to see you. i am also sampling some of these new ones. i just opened a massive on account and i'm going to try and figure how to get on post. roger is a cofounder. >> we are going to spend time on them, we should probably spend that time doing something else. >> yes, but another 20 minutes of the genus opposed to that. roger is a cofounder of elevation partners and an adviser for the group stop a for profit. he is the author of such an important book. with all that being said, as

you know, i still use twitter but for those of you who are migrating to or hanging out on mastered on. one of twitters supposed social media successes, i am now there as well. you can find me at velshi, at mastodon dot world. you can see it here on your screen. i am also on facebook, instagram, and linkedin. coming up on this final weekend of nato american heritage month we will bring you the story of a so-called boarding school in new mexico that is shedding it's traumatic past a violent assimilation by finding new ways to teach and celebrate indigenous culture and traditions. aditions because it penetrates deep into the tooth to help actively repair acid-weakened enamel. i recommend pronamel repair to my patients.

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schools are celebrating and teaching native culture. nbc's antonia hylton has more. >> for generations indigenous families run by the federal government designed to. the lives that have been lost and ruined by that system, one school system in santa fe is already building a new era on old land and turning tragedy into triumph. >> don't be late, hi, sweetheart. >> for chrystia, becoming superintendent of the santa fe indian boarding school was a dream job. she is not just an administrator but a steward of history, overseeing a school that has overcome. >> for some people it is too painful to come back here. >> founded in 1890 by the u.s. government, it was more than 40 billion schools in the 19th century's, they use separation

and violence to stamp out the spirits of indigenous children and took hundreds of lives, only with assimilation. >> you still hear stories from families who say we will never, ever send our students to an indian school because of the experiences of my grandfather and what they lived through. >> this is all the remains of the original school building from 1890, a site where children were separated from families, even beaten if they spoke their native languages, chained if they broke the rules. it was once a sight of incredible pain but now it is a reminder of how far this place has come. >> in 1976 they travel governors took the roles and it isn't as the curriculum, now later language and culture are celebrated here. tribal elders teach history, they have one of the highest graduation rates in new mexico. and indigenous peoples day and

the eight prayed together. >> back in the day they were not allowed to speak a language is, we were punished if we did, punished for just resting upon our gallia. being able to dance freely. >> for the senior who had a tough childhood being part of this i believe that sparked more of an interest for me to want to go back home and reentry thing that was. law >> now a schoolteacher six different native languages. -- just a dna language, also known as navajo. >> these are the change agents, and they are the ones that will make the difference. and we will see them continue to hear the language, the prayers, the songs. >> they hope the school becomes a model, as indigenous

america's act on two bills that create a commission to study records with indian boarding schools. >> there has been a movement to talk less about race and school, are you fine you are doing this at a time when there is less less support for? >> there has always been this resistance to accepting that people are not all the same. if you really want to reach your kids you have to acknowledge who they are, where they come from, and what is important to them. >> many of the students that we spoke with say that their grades and their self confidence soared once they switched from traditional schools to this one, and i hope that the school system serves as an inspiration not just for the curriculum and encourages in indigenous communities, but, for schools across the board. >> antonia, thank you very much, antonia hylton, nbc reports. still ahead, if you are prone for democracy but we saw the midterm elections as a victory, sorry to be that guy with the

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may have delivered the demise of the nation's most prominent election deniers but there were still many who slip to the cracks, joining me now daniel vidal, msnbc daily columnist and the host of serious xm the dino medulla show. and ruth -- professor of history and why you, author of the elusive newsletter and muscling to the president, welcome to both of you. your article caught my attention because the really overwhelmed the stress of all of these 279 election deniers having one. that is 279 election deniers who are elected to public office in the united states, some of them in congress, 150 of them in congress and the rest in other, seemingly important offices across the country. >> certainly, and, it is not over, that is the big thing i want people to remember, it is not over. if you think it is over contact me, i want to send you this unicorn i have, it is a beautiful unicorn, you are going to love it. let's live in the real world,

not gaslight ourselves. there was a good and a bad and a trumpy of this election, the good is every single trump backed election denier in battleground states on statewide office lost. pennsylvania, michigan, wisconsin, arizona. that was not happenstance, american stood up and said no, we want democracy. we want self-determination. the bad is, if you know, house republicans elected three secretaries of states including indiana, elected deniers, that is a state democrats could win in the future. and, the trumpy, or the ugly, if donald trump is running again he is leading the college polls a few days ago. he is the king democracy denier, these are not election deniers, these are democracy deniers, they are already calling for a new election in arizona even though there is no fraud and that is what we are going to see more of in the future. so, it is not done, folks. >> ruth, you are a historian. you get the first draft of history but you have seen many of these types of movements in history. and, one of the things you

pointed out is often it looks like i go for these anti-democratic people is a failure, sometimes it is the first to those. it does not mean that a smoldering fires anywhere extinguished. >> now, and, we have an unprecedented situation going for us because about a third of the house is composed of people who either do not accept president biden as a legitimate head of state, and i would remind people of that very frightening resolution at the texas gop, because abbott was reelected that says that he is just an acting president. they also do not believe in the rule of law and transition, democratic transition. and so, you know, the goal of election denial is to discredit the idea of elections in voters minds so that they see voting is so corrupt and uncertain, so they become open to other ways of choosing leaders. here we have nick quantities, who is the news, the fascist

who says we need a dictatorship. so, election denial on this scale, right, a third of the house creates a culture that leads to being open to autocratic transitions. >> dean, and joe biden, towards the end of his campaign, the midterm campaign said we can't keep democracy for granted anymore. number there is a good deal of criticism about both biden and democrats, leaning into the democracy issue. >> last couple of years will be what i am a kitchen table issues and inflation and things like that, how do you see. >> answer the battle cry the democracy going forward, it can force americans who are struggling with other things sound one note like to talk about democracy being in peril. >> i think most people understood that inflation is temporary, losing democracy as permanent. i think that is what trickled through, president biden, twice,

into speeches, one night a week before the election get criticism, people get inflation, republicans had no answer for it. we talked about this many times before. it is a complex issue. they understand the threat to democracy is really real. did republicans running for office and saying we win, it is legitimate, if we lose, it is illegitimate, that is the end of democracy and self determination, i think people finally got the fact that just because you are bored in a democratic republic does not mean you are going to live your entire life there. if you are not vigilant. so, people stood up, and voted, but again it is not over. please remember it is not over, the fight continues with trump on the ballot in 2024. he can delegitimized our democracy for the next year and a half on his running, the next two years. >> you and i have talked about for a long time and one answer was to do it happen in the midterm for people who answered the call and they go and vote. it is a reactionary answer, the idea that you vote against the people who are trying to

dismantle your democracy is reactionary. what is the positive for us, what is the thing given that we did not jump off a cliff on november 8th. what is the thing that voters who consider themselves footsoldiers for democracy need to do of the next two years? >> i think that unity is very important and there will be many forces, this is what polarization is, it tries to separate people and make enemies of each other. so, reaching out to people who maybe did not vote and saying to them, you know, look at the midterms your vote, each vote really matters. creating a kind of positive dynamic around voting and elections is very important. i want to ask you one other thing, roofs, the january six committee is getting its report ready. there seems to be some disagreement on the committee. liz cheney seems to be very focused on donald trump's particular culpability, and other members it seems would like this to be broader about the whole effort to overturn

democracy. in your history of studying autocracies, dictatorships and authoritarian's what is more important? going after the ringleader? or getting the whole plot? >> yes, that is a tough one, decapitation, not literally but getting rid of the leader, donald trump was the one who instated this coup attempt. and, so, you have to go after him. but, the lessons of coups is that it is always, in fact, i knew, it had taken a while for the information about the extent of the coup conspiracy to come out with the secret service, and other agencies. but, i knew that would come out because coups are always broad, there is a broad swath of elites that have to be involved in a coup. the other problem is if you just get trump and you neglect the gop, which was fully involved in his coup conspiracy you are leaving the gop to become more radicalized since

he left office. so, you are leaving the danger to democracy on the table. >> talk about more radicalized, i wish is looking on social media that the pillow man wants to now be the head of the rnc. but, dean, crazy stuff has happened. donald trump had a meal at mar-a-lago with corny a west to has had a bunch of antisemitic outburst recently, and with nick fuentes. who is a holocaust and i are among a library of other unsavory things. for a guy who is running for president you think he would lay low and try and clean up its act a little bit. that does not seem to be about the interest to him. >> now, donald trump is trying to aggravate his base, not all republicans are racist but all races that republicans. i like to say that a lot. the reality is that kanye west, who not months ago, not years ago, weeks ago was espousing anti bullet synthetic garbage. it's impossible to believe trump did not know him, trump has secret service, you not

wander up to trump. secondly, nick fuentes ran the america first translation. they were huge headlines, trump had to say. that guy was the host of a right-wing travel, he loves trump, he was there january 6th, trump who knew new who've nick fuentes was, i have no idea, he did his best not to denounce david duke in 2016, ray tweeted what's promises, embrace nice that white nationalists, he is gearing, up some republican candidates are gearing up in certain ways. he gears up and getting his base animated by which promises antisemites, that is donald trump, the republican party, and if they do not speak out we should label them all that. >> thank you very much for joining us, you know, i listen bases daily columnist and a host of the show. -- it is a professor of history at nyu and author of strongmen, from muscling into the present, also author of the newsletter lucid. that does it for, me thank you for watching, you can catch me back here tomorrow morning from eight to 10 am eastern, do not forget velshi is also available as a podcast if you like to

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