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funneling for this sunday after thanksgiving for their flight home. >> already, today more than 1700 flights have been delayed, more than 50 have been canceled in the u.s.. more slowdowns and cancellations, though, are likely in several major airports on the east coast. there could be some problems on the roads as well, the weather will make for a messy drive on interstates 80 90 and 95. we have it all covered for you with msnbc's cal perry and meteorologist michelle grossman. i welcome you both, carol at reagan national airport in arlington, virginia. how much is weather impacting us so far? and how are passengers reacting? >> nobody is happy to be returning to. work its. okay so far so. good morning rush went pretty well. american got their flights in early, actually. because they're worried about the afternoon batch of outgoing flights. because as you said, the weather is not good. and it doesn't look like it's getting any better. i had a chance to speak to one couple that is on his way back from visiting family for thanksgiving.

this is the first thanksgiving that the family was off together -- take a listen to what they had to say. >> i'm on our way back to canada. >> to our daughters in portland, maine, first. and then we go home to canada. >> how is it in? traveling >> it could've been better. >> really? >> -- so efficient. everything this move. people are so polite. i'm really impressed. >> wow. were you surprised? are you prepared for a busy one? >> yes. mentally, my brother-in-law had -- i, said we'll never see. it everything could've been better. i'm really proud of what they've done. >> the back story to this is that the airline industry had an atrocious summer. we're talking about thousands of flights canceled. tens of thousands of flights delayed. it was nearly impossible to get anywhere on time this summer. so the airlines have staffed up. i am not exaggerating when i say congress is watching this

period of time to see if it can get back on, track to see if they can get those cancellations down. one of the things they've, done they've increased staffing and reduce the number of flights. so people may notice that their flights or more fall. but hopefully they're more on time, alex. >> that is a big thing people want. just get me home on time. thank you so much, cal perry for that. to meteorologist michelle grossman. michelle, welcome to you. where you tracking the storms right now? >> we're watching two systems, hi there, alex. one is in the northwest, mountain snow -- in the northwest. and we're also watching a system in the east. and we're seeing heavy showers and heavy rain. we're gonna see that over the next several hours. this is what we're looking at right now in terms of satellite radar. you can see some blue on the map. that is snow falling. throughout the intermountain west, portions of the northwest, and even into portions of new mexico -- far north, western texas, colorado. a bit of kansas seeing some snow as well. and we're also seeing that heavy rain the. east it's a system that can

cause a problem over the next several hours. because where you see those brighter colors, the yellows, the reds, the oranges, that's where we're seeing the heavy rain. it's heavy throughout portions of the great lakes, the midwest, into the northeast, new england, and also the mid-atlantic. we're gonna see heavy storms. we'll see some severe weather as well. we're gonna be watching that closely over the next few hours. this is what we're looking at in terms of any impact -- likely delays in boston, new york city, philly, d.c.. but it looks like there's good news. as carl was mentioning, and d.c.. that's good news. we're looking at snowfall in salt lake city, denver could possibly see some delays in seattle. but looking really good in the southwest portions of the southern plains. we had really stormy weather in the past few days. that's cleared. out dallas and houston looking really good as well. minneapolis. no troubles there. so as we go throughout the roadways, alex, you alluded to this earlier. we see some bumpy roads. travel delays on i-90. buffalo to boston. in new york to chicago could

see some slowdowns on i-80 and i-95 -- so this is what we're looking, at the area of low pressure. moving on to the northeast, it's bringing when with. it heavy. rain where you see those brighter colors is where we're expecting heavy rain. that's going to continue over the next several hours. looking at the chance for some severe weather, most likely that would be portions of southwestern -- and also the mid-atlantic. we could see some heavy rain in spots. over inch -- inch of rain -- into tomorrow morning. and then the northwest. this is a powerful storm. it's gonna be track across the country. we're gonna be watching this throughout the week. but for today, we're looking at persistent snow showers contained in the mountains. up to a foot of snow in some spots. and really gusty winds. that's gonna make for difficult travel. winds gusting up -- as we know -- we're going to watch that very closely to. >> okay. the passengers, -- thank you, michelle, for that update. meantime, some new reaction to donald trump dinner with the

gay and white supremacists, nick fuentes. trump still under fire five days later. mostly because he's not condemned racism and antisemitism. >> now, i don't think it's a good idea for a leader that is setting an example for the country or party to meet with devout racist or antisemites. it's very troubling. and it's shouldn't happen. and we should avoid those kinds of empowering the extremes. when you meet with, people you empower. and that is what you have to avoid. you want to diminish their strength, not empower them. stay away from it. >> even the white house stated a -- statement saying bigotry, hate and antisemitism have absolutely no place in america. including at mar-a-lago. holocaust analogy repugnant and dangerous and must be forcefully condemned. -- they prepare to take control of the house, they're giving a hand into who they might target. >> it's such a disgrace to our

veterans that served in afghanistan. they deserve answers to the many questions we have. why wasn't their plan to evacuate? how did it go sarong? >> there certainly are issues with respect to hunter biden's left up -- >> they are complicit with the biggest human trafficking event in the lifetime. and i think the american people deserve some accountability. >> and outgoing intel -- adam schiff says he's clear on what to expect from the gop led house. >> comer, and jordan, and mccarthy will do nothing but carry donald trump's. water someone, as you point, out is sitting out for dinner with antisemites. sitting down for dinner with bigots who won't contempt them. this is who they're making -- they will do and say what they need to get along with donald trump. >> the clock is running out in georgia. in just a little more than a week, voters will decide who they want as their senator.

democratic incumbent raphael warnock, or republican herschel walker. early voting got underway saturday, the runoff is december 6th. joining me now, maya king, -- reporter who covers the south. maya, welcome back. glad to have you here. you have written about two dozen articles about georgia politics in the last month alone. ticles>> and you're, ladies youe right about this election axiom. it all comes down to third. what are the challenges for high turnout in georgia? and how was the turnout yesterday as things got underway? >> thanks for having, me alex. what we saw yesterday was a pretty strong showing from voters on both side. a number of democrats, as we know, the democratic party of georgia and senator warnock's campaign actually sued to have a take place in saturday on georgia -- but we saw 1000 people heading to the polls. lines particularly around metro atlanta -- but moving pretty quickly.

people who had to work during the week and weren't sure if they'd be able to cast the ballot monday or friday, a number of college students who were based in georgia but go to school outside of georgia and had to fly back today, who felt like that it was their only day to be able to cast ballots. and also a number of republicans who took advantage of that open saturday window saying that they hoped in some cases it would actually give herschel walker more of an edge. because what we know, and as i've written about, this is an election that is going to come down entirely to which side and which party -- in just a short period of time to run up the score for their particular candidate. >> but the midterms, this election cycle was intense, to say the least. how weary are you sensing the voters are with whom you're speaking? considering democratic control of the senate doesn't even depend on this race, and who do you think has the biggest enthusiasm grab?

democrat or republican? >> we can know there is some voter weariness. because the runoff period has been shortened now from nine weeks to just four. there's still enthusiasm on both sides. democrats are locked in and ready to reelect senator warnock. they really feel like he deserves six more years. while republicans are very, very enthusiastic about having another republican in the chamber. and it had to articulate to their voters look, this is a chance to keep the senate at 50 50 rather than 50 1:49. and so that does ring bells -- we can also note that herschel walker is a statewide icon for his football prowess. and that has given some members of the republican base all the more reason to want to support him. because they see him as an unconventional candidate who might be able to bring, shall we, say different ideas to the senate chamber if he is

elected. >> definitely different ideas. but former president trump has not said whether he's going to hold a rally for herschel walker before the runoff. i know you've written about this. at this point, do republicans consider trump an asset or a hindrance? >> i think the closer you get to the walker campaign and sort of the circle of people who are advising him, the more nervousness you here. herschel walker and donald trump are close, personal friends. and donald trump was the person who encourage herschel walker to ryan in the first place. despite the fact that he was an untested candidate. but we also know that the former president has not had a really strong record in this midterm cycle. and it as george's cycles continue to change and more democrats and moderates really show their force and flex their muscle, which i think is part of the reason why we saw this race go to a runoff, but why warnock was so on top. republicans are really trying

to close this gap. there were hundreds of thousands, 200,000 voters who did not support herschel walker voted for brian kemp. they like the former governor here more than they like the former president. >> interesting. here's something you wrote about, also interesting, herschel walker's home in the dallas area from which he is benefiting in tax credits met for texas residents. what has been the reaction for this in? georgia has been outrage? has it been eye rolling? has it been shrugs or -- what are you seeing? >> we haven't heard from the campaign themselves. i was not able to confirm any comment from the campaign about this new story. democrats, of course, have added this to their list of grievances, though, against herschel walker. saying he has not been entirely truthful, not only about his professional background but also the aspects of his personal life. they added this particular note is yet another aspect of untruth to this list. and one thing that will point out is that this was a filing

that was made as late as 2022. so it does seem to suggest that if herschel walker was elected to the united states senate, he may actually still maintain primary residence in texas. that could create more issues and conflicts for him down the road. >> one hunted percent. all the things we saw playing out in pennsylvania, certainly. all, right maya, thank you so much from the new york times. we appreciate. you meantime, do you remember what you are doing on tuesday, maybe donald trump does. because that's when he found at the supreme court gave the okay for his tax returns to be sent to congress. did he almost run out the clock? and does he have new problems as a result? we'll bring you some answers next. answers next next t data. (woman 2) you know it's from the most reliable 5g network in america? (vo) when it comes to your business, not all bars are created equal. so switch to verizon business unlimited today. nicorette knows, quitting smoking is freaking hard. you get advice like: just stop. go for a run. go for 10 runs! run a marathon.

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problems for donald trump -- in a new nbc news sink piece, former u.s. attorney carolan

says trump's attempt to keep his taxes a secret may have backfired. now the house will have access to his more recent tax returns. there is a possibility that any or all of his tax reports could be made public. joining me now is hugo lowe -- reporter for the garden, lisa rubin and hayes brown, columnist and editor for msnbc daily. that's a great panel. welcome all of you. lisa, you first, do you agree with carole land sentiment? and what type of risk does pose for donald trump in your mind? >> look, i agree with carole that they did almost run out the clock. but almost is the operative word here. certainly, house -- doesn't have the meaningful opportunity that they hope to have to legislate on the basis of the tax returns that have now been asking for since the summer of 2019. that having been, said they still have the opportunity to review them. to make legislative recommendations about the audit

processes for presidential candidates. for example, which are not compelled by law. that is something that most presidents and all presidents in the modern era except for donald trump have done. they can make those recommendations and yet not expect them to be followed by the congress. the third option available to them is this herald outlined to share what they had within -- donald trump's tax returns with the american public. that's what he's feared the most. -- what he really fears is the public disclosure of those returns. and both because of what is going on now with a supreme court decision and also -- where independent monitor has access to all of his books and records. donald trump should be fearful that the two things he doesn't want the public to find out, about the ultimate ownership of his company through his revocable trust in his tax return, those may become a lot

more public than ever imagine. >> and it be hard for him to use a standard fallback by calling them lies. i, mean you're dealing with your taxes. so, come on. hugo, when do you think congress could finally get to see these tax returns? >> it's a good question. democrats are really sure. i think there was some discussion about whether they could just get them directly from the treasury department. it sounds like that's a possibility. but i think trump is kind to -- trying to pressure the republicans on the hill to slow walk the review process. so it's not exactly clear what the mechanism is gonna be. hair but i think either, way democrats are going to get these documents now before -- and everyone i talked to that's close to the house committee thinks they could do this in a pretty expedia fashion. whether it comes from -- trump accountants or however the capitol hill gets them, it sounds like it is going to be in pretty immediate fashion.

>> you bring up a good point to hayes addresses in his latest article. in which hayes, you, said the time is not on the democrat side when it comes to reviewing these tax returns. you go on to say, while he may have lost the battle, it looks like trey -- trump may have won the war. can you explain what you mean? >> yeah. i agree with lisa that they managed to almost run up the clock. but what little time is left on the clock for democrats, they're going to need to run like several plays in a row without a fumble in order to produce this in my opinion. we see the house turning over to republicans on january 3rd. there is no stopping, that at this point. so we have a few short weeks in this lame duck session for this -- to get the taxes, review them, and put out a report that right now under law -- you are not supposed, to if your congress, just released peoples tax returns completely. so the thinking that i've seen

reported -- is that they're going to -- say this is what is in trump's taxes, and this is how it goes according to -- the process. that's a lot to do to do well in a short amount of time. and if they do put it, out they'll have to do it properly during the christmas holidays. so it's going to get married a little bit. i just really think it's going to be a tough challenge for them politically to pull off. >> but is it passable the democratic -- -controlled senate could take over the investigation? >> it's possible. but what i learned about that is -- if the democrats take over and then -- there's a new subpoena issued, or new request, i worry that trump could start the process over again in court. and say, well, this is completely different as a request. it was only the house -- that this ruling was about. so on filing the suit against the senate finance committee. and even though it will be a waste of time, it days --

and of lay the process. >> delay, delay. hugo, even though as he says, congress has won the battle over trump's taxes. could trump's taxes, though, be a playbook for former president -- future presidents who want to keep things private. considering how long it took to get to this point? >> yeah. and i think this started before trump. but i think trump really exasperated this issue of executive branch employees or presidents. and also, now former presidents being able to run up the clock on a kind of oversight investigations. this started back in the trump administration, right? when the house are trying to get testimony from don mcgahn allen, the white house counsel. that was -- he only testified finally to congress last year. y >> and so this is been a continued effort on the part of trump. and it's been an effort that's

been largely successful. -- it doesn't move pretty quickly fast in his cases. if you have the resources -- you can kind of see the damage that can do in terms of holding -- them accountable. it's gonna be an issue going forward. executive branch employees an executive branch members have a lot of power and our government. >> 100%. let's switch gears here. and go to the doj investigation. i want to get your reaction to this headline. it's, as special counsel jackson it swatted down claimed by donald trump -- and it powers the judge in the mar-a-lago probe. what happened here? how significant is? this as one of the first moves of the special counsel. >> let's go back a little, bit alex. last tuesday there was a -- at the 11th circuit and atlanta about whether or not judging cat and then -- had the point to appoint a

special master. that went in a word, terribly, for donald trump. even chief judge, actually seen as one of the biggest judges -- he threw up his hand literally said, what are we even doing here? it was in the wake of that argument that donald trump's lawyers made what is called a supplemental submission. a notice of supplemental authority to alert the court to the existence of the special master in the rudy giuliani investigation. and jack, smith as the special counsel, aided by the doj lawyers responded quickly on thanksgiving day, no less. and said, that case has nothing to do with the circumstances governing the mar-a-lago records investigation. that was a search involving an attorney's office, where privileged issues were rampant on the attorney client privilege to mention. and the department of justice consented to the appointment of a special master there. and there was no additional new civil litigation in order to essentially go in search of

documents that could help you say the search was unlawful in the first place. and so jack smith is showing that he is already up and running, collaborating with the department of justice lawyers and ready to rumble, alex. >> he for sure is. i mean, that was assessing, really direct paragraph summary by him. my two favorite sentences. the first one was, that is incorrect. the other, one another those is true here. it's, like okay, enough said. we're done. exclamation point. unfortunate i'm done with three of. you but i look forward to seeing all of you again soon. thank you. and it's also a must-see match this week for team usa at the world cup. we'll talk about it next. world cup. we'll talk about it next we'll talk about it next when they got a chip. they drove to safelite for a same-day repair. and with their insurance, it was no cost to them. >> woman: really? >> tech: that's service the way you need it. >> singers: ♪ safelite repair, safelite replace. ♪

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what can you tell us? >> alex, this is a new level of defiance from protesters in china. it's one thing to take to the streets and demonstrate about local issues, corruption, infrastructure, that kind of thing. it's another thing altogether to go into the middle of shanghai and call for the downfall of the chinese communist party and the downfall of president xi jinping. >> the wave a protest sweeping china has reached the streets of shanghai. in the country's largest city demonstrators demanding an end to covid lockdowns and daring to openly call for the resignation of chinese leader, xi jinping. the defiance left with arrests. it's unclear if police can stop what is now a national outcry. in xinjiang, of authorities and hazmat suits trying to hold their ground against crowds of demonstrators. the spark for the protests, a deadly apartment fire friday night that killed ten people, including three kids.

videos on social media appearing to show emergency crews slowed down by covid measures around the high-rise. it's took three hours to put out the flame. residents, many of them locked down in xinjiang for months were trapped. he xi jinping has never faced public anger of the scale in his tenure the power. -- with cases now at a record high they are bearing down once again crushing hopes for a gradual reopening. in junko this, week there were clashes at the factory making iphone. visuals on social media showed crowds of police shoving workers angry about bone is paying covid rules at the plant. -- they apologize and paid workers wanting to leave. forcing apple to warn that iphone output will take a hit. the future of china's covid policy now a test of will between the people and the government. >> and, alex, the big question

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they have to be iran in order to advance to the next. around the locker around. the good news is they are favored to win and if they play like we saw burma play, or even better, they have a good job of -- we had a good chance to speak with the chief writer for the guardian. listen to a little bit of our conversation. >> there certainly reason for optimism. there's a, young very energetic team. the midfield has been excellent. what they lacked perhaps is that final piece of quality. but they have the temperament, they have the speed. they have the technical level. the gap between the very -- best and the rest. teams are better organized and more fit everywhere. you can employ the very best coaches from around the world. it's quite easy sometimes to put 10 men behind the door and make it very difficult for your opponents to attack. >> all eyes are going to be on that game on tuesday win team

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beyond bullying. it's well beyond constitutional -- and i think it's what we should expect. >> more on my conversation with the illinois congressman later -- meredith, welcome to. you with just a wafer thin majority, kevin mccarthy struggling to secure the votes he needs to be elected speaker. he needs to win over a small block of conservative votes. they already said they will not vote for him under any circumstance. so what are the chances this come down to some sort of a floor fight with house members taking multiple votes for speaker? by the, way something that has not happened in a century? >> kevin mccarthy faces a much more narrow margin to be speaker of the house than he ever anticipated. he needs 218 house republicans -- house members to vote in favor of him becoming speaker. and so far, he's had at least five house republicans who say

that they are not going to support him. and while there is some wiggle room on that 218 numbers, some can vote present -- and just be absent from the chamber during the vote, it's setting up what could be a contentious vote for kevin mccarthy to be speaker. although he won the nomination, he's been trying to win over republicans who might oppose him on the floor. >> whirl, here's something he did last week which was pretty much doubling down on his pledge to remove adam schiff, ilhan omar and eric swalwell from their house committee assignments, and likewise that he would reinstate far-right congresswoman marjorie taylor greene to her post if he becomes speaker. she was stripped of her assignment last year after she made remarks about executing democratic lawmakers. do you put it past him to follow through with this, meredith? do you see any indication he won't cave to the most radical members of his party?

>> mccarthy is really trying to make inroads with people like marjorie taylor greene over the past year. he's held meetings with her, she was present as his candidate for -- america launch. and she sort of emerged as a key ally for him. especially for his fight for speakership. >> but don't you think that's only if she gets her way? i mean we've heard her say quite publicly but if she does not get reinstated, either to the committees that she had previously, or the ones that she now wants, where she thinks she would be really good on those committees, that republicans are not going to like it. and he is not going to like it. >> she basically said something to that effect to the new york times. she said that if mccarthy wants his base to be happy then he should give me power. i think that certainly as part of her calculation here. and for him to. he recognizes the powers --

like marjorie taylor greene -- >> let's get to your most recent article, which detailed donald trump's kind of bizarre relationship with white nationalists and anti-semitic, nick fuentes. who was brought by ye, formally known as kanye west. after coming out of, our trump distanced himself from pointers on social media. what do you know about this meeting that you could tell us and can you make any sense of it after trump just announced candidacy for 2024. this is not a good look. >> no. this whole story came about from a scoop that i had from a mar-a-lago member, he had seen fuentes arrive at trump's club with ye. and it raised questions about whether or not fuentes, a known antisemite, and who hold really ugly and controversial views

actually met with the former president. and there was initially some mixed messages about whether or not that happen -- trump had dinner with fuentes with ye and a former political adviser of trump's who he worked with the 2016, who is now working with ye on his campaign. and while trump has said that he did not know who fuentes was, when he came to join him for dinner, but he was a guest of kanye west. it really raises a lot of questions about some of the guardrails there around trump. why weren't there any questions about who fuentes was? why was he allowed to spend time with the former president and share a meal with him? why was he allowed in the club? it just raises a lot of questions about security and just about, frankly, judgment when it comes to the people that trump spending time with. >> which brings me to the one last question. which, is is there anyone on

trump's team who is capable of preventing stuff like this from happening? >> i think the former president is known for doing things as he wants. and while he's at mar-a-lago, he's meeting with people that are there. he's walking up to the patio. he's talking to members. he's holding court with lots of different people. and so i think, for him, he's used to just having a stream of familiar and unfamiliar faces around him. but in this case, it was somebody with truly reprehensible opinions. someone who is a known antisemite and holocaust denier. and he was able to spend a couple of hours with trump there. >> absolutely extraordinary. thank you for sharing, meredith. yes, there's a new record and black friday online shopping. but there's another number that could be very sobering when the bills come due in january. we'll talk about it next. we'll talk about it next we'll talk about it next

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this weekend show the 2022 holiday shopping season is one for the record books already. black friday raking in a record breaking nine billion in online sales alone. mastercard reported a 12% jump in person retail sales on friday, compared to last year. but there could be a downside to all this enthusiasm. here's part of the report from nbc's reporter. >> we have had these experiences, our memory banks need to be -- this is an experience that a lot of us. enjoy >> flashing signs, deals flashing 50, 60, 70% off. catching consumers attention in a near record inflation. >> trying to spend a little money as possible, and get as many gifts as possible. >> in recent months, many shoppers cut down on discretionary purchases as price increases -- adobe reports revenue from buy now pay later installment plans is up 81% this week compared to

last. leaving experts on sure how long this weekend's momentum will continue. >> it's very uncertain holiday season. as a result, one of the things we're seeing out there, value and brands matter. >> joining me now is rick newman, senior columnist for yahoo finance. he just wrote an article called the student debt squeeze is the line. and we'd be back to you too, my friend. i hope you had a good thanksgiving weekend. you know, we're definitely talk about the peace road in just a moment. but first, are you surprised by these black friday numbers? >> i'm not surprised. but we need to discount them a little bit. remember, inflation is almost 8%. so when you see a stat saying sales are up -- the 12%, they're actually only up 4%. let's remember, the unemployment rate is still very low at 3.7%. economists have been seeing a recession could be coming, but it sure doesn't seem like we're in one now.

job market remain strong. i think people are trying to feel good. remember last year? people did not really go shopping. we had another outburst of covid and people saying, i don't care about the lies, and hear about the crowds, i just want to get out there. >> yeah. here's the thing, though. by now appellate or can really hurt when the bills come through. 81% we saw in emily's report, does that concern? knew that seemed so high. >> yeah. and i think that tells you that we could possibly fall off a cliff when those bills come due next year. it's not only that more people are putting off their payments, but if you are financing by paying an interest rate on that, you are getting crushed. and the credit card interest rates are terrible to start with. i think we started -- there now close to 20% on average. nobody is earning 20% on the money they have in their savings account in the bank. so you are paying a lot of money to put off those

purchases over a period of time. >> so do you see these numbers slowing down? because even though it hasn't happened, yet we still face the threat of a recession. >> i think we are going to have a decent and modest, if you, will increase in holiday sales this year. i don't think is gonna be a huge increase in sales. it's worth keeping in mind that consumers are still in pretty good shape. they paid off a lot of debt during the couple of years during covid when nobody really traveled. we've got a lot of stuff online but we didn't take vacations. and a lot of people got stimulus money that helped them pay off debt. and when you look at things like debt obligation, consumer debt obligations, they are improved. they're better than they were prior to covid. so usually i'm not usually an optimist, alex, but i think consumers are in pretty good shape. and i think there's no reason to think that there's really going to be anything terrible that's going to happen once through the holidays.

>> i would say -- you're not a pessimist, your real. is that's why we bring you on. when it comes to the car we mentioned earlier, student debt relief. that's a huge issue for millions of americans. where is this heading, rick? is it a supreme court ruling, potentially? >> right now there is no student debt remaining. it's certainly on hold. and right now it comes down to supreme court. so i think everyone who's following this new that when president biden gave the executive order, they were going to be legal challenges by himself. as even said in the past, he's not internally sure he has the authority to do this. there are good legal experts that both sides to say he can do, it and say who can't do it. the supreme court has not yet said they will take the case, the biden administration asked them to do that and fast-track it. so we can get an answer by sometime next year. probably the supreme court is gonna take it. and then it could be between let's say three and six months before they ever say, yes, the

president has the authority. or no he doesn't. and people -- were talking 40 million people that were affected by this. it's possible that all those people will get no debt relief at all because the supreme court could overturn this. >> okay, that might be a little pessimistic. again, i bring you on because your real is when it comes to dollar incense. that's why we want to have you, on rick newman. thank you, my friend, good to see you. that's gonna do it for me on this edition of alex witt's report. i'll see you tomorrow at 11 pm and again saturday at noon eastern. my friend -- continues next. continues next continues next th odor eliminators. between stains and odors, it can handle double trouble. for the #1 stain fighter and odor remover, it's got to be tide. the virus that causes shingles is sleeping... in 99% of people over 50. and it could strike at any time. think you're not at risk? wake up. because shingles could wake up in you. if you're over 50, talk to your doctor or pharmacist about shingles prevention. (brent) people love subaru just because

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