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both of them are msnbc political analysts. both of them are people that i really admire and always learn from. i'm going to start with you, for an end. your quick reaction to trump's dinner with nick fuentes. i've got to ask you that. >> it's not a shock. we have known who donald trump is. he's been someone who has openly supported white supremacy dating back to when he first ran for the presidency, announced his candidacy in 2015. we would remember the president of the united states kudrow and equivalence between not sees protesting in charlottesville versus peaceful american protesters. it doesn't surprise me at all. the only thing i think is of interest is to see how he thought were some trump allies like steve bannon and others who may be smelling blood in the water -- an opportunity to try and dislodge donald trump as the

front runner for the republican nomination. that's not going to happen. donald trump continues to have a stranglehold on the republican primary voter. this is what they want. that's why he can have dinners with holocaust deniers and have no impact on his standing. >> republicans campaigned and that the entire midterm election was about inflation. it was about crime, immigration, those were the talking points they kept drilling. it seems like the only clear vision they have right now is a plan of attack against president biden. does this backfire? will they eventually fall victim to their own strategy? >> i mean, if you are kind of reading the tenor of the united states of america right now, even though donald trump may have that support, you would say this is going to backfire on you. and, by the way, it makes a very clear, you do not have to be white to endorse white supremacy. and that's what the meeting

donald trump is showing us. as fernand says, it's showing us who you are. to me, this makes a very clear. i can see the peeling away of the -- you know, pro trump supporters whose a little bit of the moderate pro trump supporter. i know, that's a little bit crazy. but i know some of these people, right? they will be turned off with a holocaust denier. they will be turned off by a meeting with ye and nick fuentes. so, to me, the republican party is clearly -- they obviously have some intelligence that three of us don't, all three of us together don't have. they see this is some kind of a winning year. it's not. it will ultimately backfire. it's misreading the room entirely. >> there is so much more to unpack. please stick with me both of you. coming up, republicans continue to attempts to punish migrants

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by the end of the next month. the pandemic-era policy has denied migrants the legal right to seek asylum since march 2020. and last week, despite that judges ruling, homeland security secretary mayorkas said he would still make, quote, enhanced use of expedited removal procedures for migrants who are unable to establish legal basis. meanwhile, kevin mccarthy is threatening to begin impeachment proceedings against secretary mayorkas when the gop takes control of congress because of what he believes is a secretaries last border policies. let's remember this. caught in the cross fire of this politicking and inviting and ugly politics are thousands of real people. thousands of asylum seekers living in limbo at the u.s. mexico border while we determine their fate. my panel is back with me to discuss all of this. fernand, i'm going to start with you. mccarthy keeps doing this for a reason, right? this continues to be the gop brandt.

putting border security and immigration at the center of their agenda. it seems during the midterms, this was an area where they were making inroads with voters, they seemed to have an edge. what do you make of this strategy? >> as you said, i think there is concern about border security in the country. what's interesting more than anything, paulo, is that in the states where you have this concern be at the highest, i'm talking about states like arizona and new mexico at the border they are doing very well in these midterms. it wasn't the kind of issue that was going to lead to any problems electorally. when i can't begin to understand is when it comes to immigration, it's a bad faith issue for the republican party because many republicans, in fact many republicans in congress, paola, marco rubio, your family, my family, they came into this country as immigrants through the legal asylum seeking process that many are trying to seek at the

border and as long as the biden administration appropriately prioritizes the legal process, as they do, there is no open border, per se. i think they are acting in good faith. what's interesting also is will the republicans that now have control of the chambers of congress put together any legislation to pass a comprehensive bill that would engage with the democrats in the senate to get something done as opposed to fearmongering and use rhetoric around the issue. >> let's talk about the humane way to do all this. there's been over 2 million border apprehensions just since the start of this fiscal year. and more people are bound to come if and when title 42 is lifted. my question to you is, how should the biden administration prepare to be lifting title 42, right? what is the right and humane way for them to do this? >> look, first of all, we should stop using in the kind of, actually the imagery being shown right now. you know, we should not be

perpetuating a conversation about a crisis that is a human drama but that this united states is not being overrun, flooded by uncontrollable situations on the border. and that's not happening in terms of tens of thousands of people trying to get -- no! i would encourage the biden administration, as i've been saying from the very beginning, what you have to do is differentiate and make clear that they are not going to perpetuate and fall into this rhetoric about a bear is a drama and a crisis of so many people coming. no! it's not that way. you know what's out of control, paola. i know you know this. what's out of control are the border is absolutely the militarization of the border. the dehumanization of people at the border. the fact that the border patrol, with its own policies -- policies that we hear about the

drop into our investigation, how the border patrols own policies are leading to more deaths, right? yes, there is apprehension because we are living in a global society. but you know what? i can't stand to think that in, whatever, ten years or 20 years, there will be dramatic hollywood movies about all the people at the border, just the way we have these hollywood movies of jewish refugees coming and being turned away by this country. this did not happen 100 years ago. it happened within peoples lifetime. and we, as journalists and immigrants, right, we have to be the ones that say, we won't maintain and continue this conversation that flames of the fears when there is nothing to be afraid of. i give you a long answer. that's what the biden administration should be focusing on and saying there is nothing to be afraid of. we are absolutely in control

and we are going to do this moving from humanity. that's how we will differentiate ourselves from the republican party. that is the winning bid for the electorate that showed itself in the 2022 midterms. >> i hope that democrats are listening right now and are typing what you just said. fernand, does the message that maria just laid out, does that message resonate with latino voters in florida, in governor desantis's florida? this is a state, obviously, where there are millions of latinos and descendants of that immigrants, millions of cuban americans, which i mentioned because there is an unprecedented number of cubans that are seeking asylum the same way that your family and my family did. and yet you have, as we know, a block of latinos in florida that don't seem to go into that. can they? is there a way for maria's message to get to them? >> unfortunately, i do not

think so, at least in the case of hispanic voters in florida, especially those of my cuban american descent. it is shameful, it's disgusting, it's hypocritical. again, as you correctly point out, so many cubans came out seeking the same legal process those coming today. yet, there is a huge movement to deny them those. writes i want to endorse maria's points absolutely about the fearmongering. there is no crisis at the border. if anything, what we need to do is highlight again the stunning hypocrisy of the republican party when it comes to how they handle immigration policy. it's best to encapsulate it again by the story of what happened here in florida, my home state, paola, where one week rhonda scent is is shipping in a reprehensible act of human trafficking venezuelan migrants to one part of the united states and literally two weeks later is bringing venezuelan immigrants back to help repair the west coast of florida after the effects of hurricane ian.

that's within a two-week window. it's that hypocrisy, if it doesn't speak to the republican plan, i don't know what. does fundamentally, this immigration issue is an economic issue. many of these immigrants, yes, are coming to seek legal asylum. many are also coming because the united states needs their work, their efforts, their hard work, which helps sustain our economy, and there are employers desperate to hire them. let's talk about it on the real terms, which is on economic grounds, which is what's driving the movement. >> maria, part of the story of these midterm elections was that latinos continue to show up for the democratic party. many young latinos showed up in arizona. they showed up in nevada. many showed up because of the promise of finally immigration reform, immigration relief. the promise of protecting dreamers. what happens if democrats don't deliver? >> well, first of all, with all due respect, mr. fernand, i was

just in miami, actually, with two hours north of miami. i spent a lot of time doing reporting there. i actually think for the democratic party to walk away from florida, latino, latina, latinx voters is a huge mistake. i believe that you actually, i'm not a political analyst, i'm a journalist, and if i was a political analyst and activist i would be down there sitting at the ground game for the next two years. i actually think that you cannot peel off all of those ultraconservative but trumpy cuban american voters. but there is enough there to make an argument for humanity that can actually benefit the democratic party. for me, the question of the democratic party is that you have to make it clear what you stand for. that's why, in this particular moment, they tend to think of

that v argument for the latina, latino voter is lost in a place like florida. i'm like, oh no, this is where the fight should be, on the ground. as it should be in texas. you and i haven't had a chance to go nitty-gritty on this. i think that given what we just saw, every single vote can be fought for. to just say, oh, we can't, wow, what a way to not play politics. >> i feel like we could have a whole hour discussion on this. i will just say, i remember the day, fernand, you remember, when barack obama almost won the cuban american vote. i would also like to think that this is an anomaly. that our court, we are -- we will talk about it more in the future. thank you both so much for joining me tonight. i really appreciate it. next, this native american history month, thousands of indigenous families are hanging in the balance. i will explain it in a moment. first, richard louis is here with the headlines. hey, richer.

>> hey pamela, good evening to you. some of the stories we are watching, the death toll has risen to at least seven including a newborn and two children following an enormous landslide on an italian island. search teams pulled the body of a young girl from her family home sunday. five people remain missing their. protests against china's stringent covid policies have spread to shanghai and other cities. president xi jinping is facing mounting anger at its zero covid policy and has shut down access to areas throughout china in an attempt to isolate every case. and more than 2500 flights into or out of the united states airports were delayed sunday during the post thanksgiving travel rush. this comes as severe weather, including rain, heavy winds, and snow swept through major cities in the south and then the northeast. more with paola ramos after this break. go for a run. go for 10 runs! run a marathon. instead, start small. with nicorette. which can lead to something big.

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will mark native american history month by kicking off its annual tribal nations summit. representatives from tribes across the country will meet with imagination officials to discuss the important issues facing their communities. the senate comes as many within those communities are anxious in watching the supreme court reviews breaking v holland, the case that challenges the indian child welfare act. tribal leaders argue that striking down the law would jeopardize the well-being of thousands of indigenous children while threatening the very notion of native american sovereignty. here to discuss is rebecca, the chair -- cherokee writer, author, and host of crooked medias this land podcast. thank you so much for having me. >> i want to start with the basics. really grounding us in the importance and significance of the indian child welfare act. why congress enacted this over four decades ago. can we start there? >> absolutely. when it was passed in the late

70s, there had been a big national survey that found that 25 to 35%, about a third of all native children, had been removed from their family and tribes. this was not the first time that federal policy had systematically separated native children from their family. and so, it was kind of like a set of guardrails. when a native child enters foster care or is up for adoption, the law works to keep that child connected to their family and connected to their tribe. >> recently, obviously, it has become a major target for republicans. it has been challenged almost as many times as the affordable care act. and now it has made its way all the way to the supreme court. you have been inside the court during those oral arguments. from what you heard, from what you saw, from what you feel, and do you believe that this is a case that, at its core, is

about civil rights? or is it truly about the return of the dark legacy of colonialism? >> that's a big question. i think at its core this is about tribal sovereignty. via plaintiffs are making some really broad arguments and that it was discriminating against them, discriminated against them based on race. at its core, it threaten the structure of federal indian law. that's what makes this lawsuit so scary is that if the supreme court rules in favor of the -- it could call into question the legal foundation protecting the rights of indigenous nations in this country. >> let's talk about the worst-case scenario. you know, let's talk about it's disappearing in the gutting of a gala. i mention this because you wrote in the atlantic, you said, i fear that the bracket in a lawsuit is the first in a row of dominoes. if the court strikes down icwa,

everything else could go with it. what's the risk here? >> it takes a couple steps to understand but basically the plaintiffs say that icwa discriminated against them based on race because they are non native any treated them differently than it would have if they had been native foster parents. another important side note is that nominated foster parents behind this lawsuit actually -- custody. there is a whole host of federal laws that tree tribe and tribal citizens differently, not based on race but based on our political status. it goes back to our treaty relationship with the u.s. federal government. just like i'm a citizen of the united states, a resident of oklahoma, certain laws apply to me. certain laws apply to me because i'm a citizen of a cherokee nation. i literally, since the founding of the republic, congress has been passing laws that applies to tribes and tribal citizens. the fear is that icwa is discrimination, but what about

health care? what about but gaming rights, what about land rights, what about environmental regulation? if we are just the racial group, what racial group in the u.s. has its own court, its own land base, its own government, its own elections like tribes do? >> rebecca, thank you so much. there is so much more to unpack there but thank you for grounding us in the importance of this case. i really appreciate. it >> thank you so much for having me. >> of course. coming up, in the face of conservative fueled hate, a mother moves with her family a mile -- 1000 miles from texas to a state dealing with his own tragedy. strike at any time. think you're not at risk? wake up. because shingles could wake up in you. if you're over 50, talk to your doctor or pharmacist about shingles prevention. ♪ ♪ well would you look at that? ♪ ♪ jerry, you've got to see this. seen it. trust me, after 15 walks it gets a little old. i really should be retired by now.

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and advocate for their kids. my next guest, katie, is one of those parents. she and her son, noah, left texas after republican governor greg abbott pushed to investigate the parents of transgender youth in his state. their story is the subject of the new nbc out documentary called dear noah, pages from a family diary. >> and the battle for, a centrally, and noah's right to exist as a trans person in the state of texas has been absolutely and devastating on me. i've gained easily 70 pounds in the last year and a half. i have a hard time sleeping for the first time in my life. it's very, very scary. >> in katie joins me now. katie, thank you so much for being with me tonight. i first want to thank you for having the courage to speak out. i don't think it's easy. i don't think it's expected. i just want to thank you because i think it is helping

so many people. your family, katie, obviously, left texas to find safety in colorado, which is now healing or trying to heal from the tragedy at club q. how are you and know what doing? how are you feeling? >> you know, throughout this process of finally getting to what we thought would be the soft place to land, this safe haven it has been a constant battle of beings feeling so much better and at the same time things are feeling so much worse. with this latest tragedy, it's a reminder that there are no truly safe spaces. we need to work that much harder to take care of each other. >> do you feel safe anywhere? is that something that is possible? >> what a big question. currently, no. we recognize there are pockets of communities that have our best interests at heart and are there to be supportive and inclusive. but there is no full stop safe

place right now. we've got to work for it. >> i think that takes a toll on people. and that takes a huge emotional toll. the hateful rhetoric, the violence, in the infighting. can you tell us a little bit about what that emotional pain feels not just for noah but as for yourself, as his mother. >> i am just the loving mom who is a cisgender, heterosexual women. i can barely even understand what that real pain and fear is like. for noah, who is a child, a 16-year-old boy who is goofy, a loving, empathetic, has lots of weird, crazy hobbies, for him to not just to get to live his life, for him to have his body turned into this political battleground, it is daunting to just greet every morning. it's scary to go outside or to

go to school, worried about who is looking at him, who might be the next person to try to report someone to cps. it's just surreal for a kid to have to deal with that kind of hatred and political rhetoric. >> that is something that stuck with me when i was watching the documentary noaa saying he felt like he always had to watch his back. i do want to talk about the joy. you made the courageous decision to leave. to drive thousands of miles to get the colorado and find something new. has no of been able to find joy? >> when we pulled into denver, which is where we live now, we arrived to a sea of pride flags, black lives matter flags. we arrived to a community whose arms were open to us and ready to support us as people. and so, there is still a lot of healing. there is still a lot of fear. there is a lot of uncertainty.

being a space where we know we can access the mental and physical health care we need and a place where he can have an opportunity to just be himself, be a kid, go out into the world as who he really is, the joy is coming. but we are still reaching for it and we are still trying to help others find theirs as well. very scary time. >> no, of course. i know denver is your new home. i also know that you did have plans to potentially move back to texas. your former home. this is also a time where governor abbott was just reelected. it's also a time where republican legislators are doing more. and they are already trying to introduce more and tougher bills to criminalize gender affirming care. has that changed your mind at all? are you still willing to try and go back to texas? >> we put a lot on the line when it came to the midterm elections. as you pointed out, they did not turn the way we wanted them

to, to ensure a safe environment for our family. so that is definitely put a pause on our ability to return to texas. an indefinite pause. but i will say that even though we have left, we have not left of the fight. this is our home, this is all we've ever known, this is where our community and family and our heart is. so we cannot go back immediately. but we will fight until we can. >> i definitely do want to highlight that, right? just because, at the federal level and in state level, it doesn't seem like progress has been made, on the ground, people like you and know are making a difference. i do want to underscore that. you are protecting your family, you are protecting noah at a time where just the media environment is incredibly hostile. you have people like tucker carlsen, people on tiktok, a bunch of social media accounts doubling down. what words of advice would you

have four members of the media, including myself, honestly, about how best to cover these stories? what would you tell us? >> i would say to start and and with the humanity. not the bait click enos of a salacious headline. to push back on just promoting or talking through those angles and that might feel like it might generate the most excitement on a website. just to start and and with everyday people that are struggling through this and are just trying to live their normal, boring lives. don't forget that's a 16-year-old, that we are dome of. >> you are actually incredible. you are an inspiration. noah is incredibly lucky to have you as her mom -- the documentary is out on nbc. the ukrainian member of parliament, kyra rudik is here.

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recently finished in kyiv, the actors took their bows, they then let loose, shouting, glory to ukraine! and what to the audience tailback? they said, glory to the heroes! joining me now is one of those heroes, that's kira -- a member of the ukraine parliament and leader of the -- political party. thank you so much for joining me tonight, i really appreciate it. >> thank you so much for having me. >> of course, look, i first want to congratulate you on being just recognized as the most influential political women in europe. so just tell me what that is been like for you. >> it's acknowledgment of the work that is being done by so many people to prove and explain what is going on in ukraine. and of course, i dedicate this award to ukrainian women who have been amazing and doing so many things during this war. starting from fighting in the front, to working under humanitarian fronts. to being breadwinners for their

families. i am sure that women will be rebuilding ukraine as well. >> yeah, you are starting to see different parts of this story. one of the things that we are seeing now is a severe effects of western sanctions on russia. from what you are seeing on the ground, how much is russia hurting right now economically? also, what does this mean for the strategy moving forward? >> well, first of all, the main set of sanctions is the one that put that embargo on russian oil. it will only start working this month. so basically all of the fighting that we had beforehand was to get to this point where we will really hit russia where it hurts. however, we see that economic sanctions are not enough for them to be completely bankrupt. they are losing on the battlefield. what the terrorists do when

they are losing on the battlefield? they continue the terrorist attack on people citizens. this is what russians are trying to do right now. they are destroying our energy infrastructure. they are hitting civilian objects. they are deliberately hitting hospitals. and this is absolutely terrifying. so the good point it's right now that the whole world sees that russia is a terrorist state. and european parliament has already acknowledged them as a terrorist state. right now we need another stronger set of sanctions to make sure that the terrorist is treating us terrorist. so no negotiations with terrorists. and making sure that they become isolated. that they become bankrupt. and that they cannot continue this war anymore. the recent attacks on our energy infrastructure has destroyed almost 50% of it. so can you imagine? 50% of the infrastructure of

the largest country in europe. this has an effect on every single citizen. the cousin different cities and different villages there are energy and electricity outages. there is in certain situations with eating. and winter is here. you know, when he first snow was in kyiv a week and a half ago, we went outside and we said, okay, now it is on. right now we are getting very for this complicated fight. a challenge for all of us to survive through the winter. >> tell me, kyra, how you are responding to that. because as you said, you laid out a bunch of different strategies. one of the core things that they are doing right now is weaponizing winter. so what is the risk, how are you responding to that? >> we are supporting each other and getting ready to survive. you see, putin is trying to push us towards negotiations or towards bending to him and his

attempts to congress. if he thinks that being without water and electricity and heat is something that is gonna break us? in the last nine months, he didn't learn anything about us. so we are supporting each other. we are getting stronger. we are getting ready to go through the winter. and we absolutely not spending. >> kyra, thank you so much for joining us. you know, you said recently, we are here for anything. we are prepared for anything, even unexpected situations. so we will be following everything that you are doing. thank you. >> thank you and lori to ukraine. >> we will be right back. right back r those who do get it bad, it may be because they have a high-risk factor. such as heart disease, diabetes, being overweight, asthma, or smoking. even if symptoms feel mild, these factors can increase your risk of covid-19 turning severe.

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