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white supremacists he dined with. plus the biden administration's plan to combat republican investigations. and, the democratic parties hail mary attempt to revive the child tax credit. let's get started. all right, tonight we are following the dome trump dinner with the man that the justice department has labeled a white supremacist. last week the ex president hosted -- and kanye west at the florida home. he said, quote, he was taken with frank and impressed with his ability to rattle of statistics and speeches from trump's 2016 campaign. once word got out of the dinner, the backlash sent trump reeling. one long time trying to advise

recall the situation a, quote, nightmare. they told nbc news, quote, they are looking at ron desantis to run against trump. here is another reason why. now trump is trying to distance himself from palantir, is saying that he did not know the 24-year-old was going to be at the dinner and had no idea who was. this, despite the fact that he has been a feature player in right-wing circles for a while, pulling arroyo with maga republicans, and georgia's marjorie taylor greene. well last week both we members of congress -- and event organized fuentes by himself, where he took the stage to spout ideas like this. >> our secret sauce here is these young white men. we that's what we call the

secret ingredient. america and the world has forgotten about them, but not us. we have got the white, christian man who built this country the first time, and we will do it again. >> look, it does not matter what trump's claim he did or did not know at the time, what matters also is what he knows now. trump undermined late knows now that nick fuentes is an outspoken racist, an antisemite, and a holocaust denier. the statements that he put out after that dinner, trump has declined to condemn him or condemn those use. will that change? for those who know the ex presidents history for refusing to criticize anyone who's compliment him, that seems unlikely. let's discuss this now with the just videoed and our videoed democratic congresswoman, barbara lee of kong -- california. i want to get your the.

does trump's failure to denounce fuentes surprise you at all, and what you imagine are the downstream impacts of a failure to denounce those kinds of viewpoints? >> thank you sam for having me. first of all, wow it is shameful. i am really not surprised. secondly, it is no excuse to say that i did not know. he knows what kanye's views are in terms of his comments as it relates to antisemitism and hate, and so i think it is, once again he is showing us who he is. he needs to apologize, if you are for real, then he would say i'm sorry, i apologize. he did not do that, and he will not do that because once again that is who we is. he associate with these people, and he is constantly behaving and saying -- promoting hate language,

antisemitism, white supremacy, and it is very dangerous because a lot of what he has done leads to violence. eight speech leads to hate violence, and so he knew, but he said he didn't so if he did not, why doesn't he apologize? why doesn't he disassociate himself from those who he knows are and i symmetric? >> why do you think he does not apologize? >> that is who he is. for some reason, he is going to continue. the public now understands areas, the campaign of 2016 of the horrible, aric language that he used towards mexican americans, muslims, women, african americans, people who were different than him. who are not white males. when we look at the policies that he put forth, when you look at the band that he put in place, this man policy reflect

who he is. this is something the republicans need to right now disassociate themselves from him, and i've not heard many republicans say anything about what took place at this dinner. so we have to move forward as democrats, and we are going to continue to work for the people. >> you mentioned republicans. republican congressman, james coburn of kentucky, he was actually asked about this on meet the press this morning. let's have a listen to what comer have to say about this. >> well, he certainly needs better judgment around who he dines with. i know he issued a statement saying he did not know, i would not take a meeting with a person, though. i would not take a meeting with kanye west either. >> now i mentioned this a moment ago, trump is not the only while maker that fuentes has met with. is this an issue of bad

judgment, does comments like combers suffice for you? >> no, this is deeper than bad judgment. he should say that he condemns that, and he needs to make sure that he says that very clearly and that that is wrong, and it is more than bad judgment. this is who donald trump's, and he was president, we saw his policies, we know what he said in his campaign, and the country i think is beginning to understand this at a deeper level. but, democrats need to move on and i think what is going to happen is, people are going to disassociate themselves from donald trump in terms of supporting him for president. i think that the country is coming to understand that, even those who supported him the first time around, are going to understand that this is a dangerous man and he is filled with hate. >> we will see about that. the republican drama does not

stop at trump. in your chamber, gop leader kevin mccarthy is currently fighting for his political life, for the speakership i should say, in the house. trying to secure enough votes to become speaker. one, do you think he will ultimately get those votes, and to, will the concessions that he has to make it to the freedom caucus in exchange for those votes, how do you expect that to impact the next two years in terms of what the house will look like? >> well i can tell you one thing. the concessions that he gives to the freedom caucus will not be concessions that will address the climate crisis, childcare, cost of living, quality of life, housing, health care. they will not be concessions that speak to the needs and aspirations of the american people. so, whatever concessions he is negotiating, i can tell you one thing, they will be concessions that we are going to have to fight against and they will be

concessions that the public will understand who is on their side. so we are ready, whatever their agenda is, and we are going to continue to put forth policies that are going to make life better for everyone. >> do you think he ultimately gets the votes to become speaker? >> well i don't know. that depends on the concessions that he makes. he's got such a slim margin, i shudder to think what those concessions may be. but if he does, look out. that is all i can say. i know they will be concessions about how we move forward to ensure that everyone has 35 dollar ceiling on their insulin, in addition to the medicare recipients. so i know they will not be concessions on behalf of the public. >> talking about the agenda, the democrats do have control for another five weeks or so. both chambers of congress. what do you expect to get done legislatively between now and

january 3rd? is it just going to be the debt ceiling and gay marriage, or is or something else that the party will push with its remaining majority? >> well we are pushing through many efforts, congresswoman karen bass has several criminal justice reform measures that will provide for a second chance. we have the debt, the debt ceiling to discuss the debate. we are not sure where we'll go with that. but we have the budget. remember we are negotiating the funding for the federal government, and so we are in the process now of making decisions of trying to make get republicans to negotiate with them around climate crisis, housing, health care, the entire federal budget. i served on the appropriations committee, on the state foreign operations, we have a heck of a lot of work to do when it comes to international diplomacy, development, and issues around

covid. so we have a lot of work to do and we are going to complete it. that is going to be a very busy december, but we are going to stay there until we get the job done for the american people. >> you've got covid aid, aid to ukraine, the debt ceiling, gay marriage, got a lot of stuff that you've got to deal with. do you think you can get all that done? >> democrats work hard. if you have seen what we have done in the last few years, i mean to tell you that, along with the biden administration, speaker pelosi, and senator schumer, we have worked day and night. we passed the inflation reduction act, the american rescue plan, the chips plan, all of these policies that the president signed that are leading to good paying jobs, and policies that are going to make the world a better place and ensure that our country continues to move forward on the issues of justice and freedom for everyone. >> all right, congresswoman barbara lee, a pleasure to talk to you on a late sunday night.

we really appreciate you coming on and take care. let's continue this conversation with my panel, jill wine-banks is an msnbc legal analyst, a former special prosecutor. she is also the co-host of the sisters in law podcast, a must listen. and hayes brown is a columnist and editor for msnbc daily. jill and hayes thank you so much. jill, let's start with you the reaction to the nick fuentes dinner and the i don't know him defense. it's a good enough for a trump in the context of a republican primary? >> in the context of a republican primary, donald trump seems to get away with everyone. i think it is despicable that he had the dinner, but i think it is just as bad that we are only talking about his dinner with nick fuentes. he also had dinner with ye who

is an antisemite, if you can stand up to kanye west, why can't the from president of the united states consoling him with his business loss, wives he letting him come to mar-a-lago to have dinner? it is likely justice said, that issue is, and that is what the republican base that supports them as allowed. no republican leader has spoken -- out i shouldn't say non, there have been a few who said that was bad judgment. and i would say it is more than bad judgment, it is bad policy. >> yeah, that's a good point. he gets almost a pass for having dinner with e, a otherwise known as kanye. let's switch to mccarthy a little bit, he is in a tough spot. he had a lot to say last week when he was threatened to strip omar of her committee simons. he has remained silent on this

trump dinner with kanye west and nick fuentes but. is it tenable that he can be condemning omar in one breath and not saying anything in the other? how long can he go on without saying anything here? >> as long as it takes for them to count 18 votes in the next congress. that is how long is going to take. the thing with kevin mccarthy is that he's between a rock and a hard place. is between the 218 voted to become speaker and the freedom caucus saying these are gonna be hard enough on joe biden. he is going to bridge that gap anyway he can. he is thinking of offering up -- one of the things that's fastening about cover mccarthy is that he is following in the footsteps of many republican men who are trying to be speaker of the house in this modern day in age and realized that what they want is a firm speakership. they want to be able to govern the way that nancy pelosi

governs the democrats. what they find is that, the sort of principles that republicans espouse in terms of decentralized leadership, house republicans at least say they want that to. they do not want a strong speaker telling them what to vote for, what to push for in terms of legislation, so they want to be able to weaken the speakership under mccarthy. mccarthy knows though that, if he gives the house caucus the concessions that he is asking for in terms of being able to have more power to oust a speaker, that the republicans change the rules to allow when john boehner was kicked out was -- nearly had to resigned the speakership, then he realized that if he allows this, you will have that acts hanging over his head the entire time that this congress is in session. if he does not, then he not may not become speaker at all. so he's going to ignore everything that he needs to ignore for the next couple of weeks, he is going to pretend

like he does not know who nick fuentes is and that marjorie taylor greene who support he has managed to gain as not spoken at the conference, and that really omar is the real antisemite. that, i think, is completely fine for kevin mccarthy. >> jill, to hayes's point, all mccarthy seems to be worried about is if you were to speak out, donald trump would say that he is not fit to be speaker, and kevin mccarthy would not be speaker. they're seemingly is not a pressure point in the center of the republican party, a figure who would say we will withhold your vote unless you denounce this. i surprise that no one is speaking up or is this the current incarnation of the republican party where you have to watch for the pressure on the red frank? >> right now that is the republican party. if you look at the statistics on who is supporting what, that

is what we have in the republican party and that is what the voters who voted in the republican party have supported. they do not care, they are really on the far-right side and the people in the middle seem to have gotten lost, so those people who might have spoken up are not really loud enough to be drowning out any of the bad news. and you mentioned the agenda. the agenda for the republicans is to stop the democrats for accomplishing anything, their agenda is investigate, delay, and they are making up investigations. it is one thing to investigate when you have evidence of a crime, it is another thing to start investigating when there as always been investigations that have led to nothing. so, they are going to be wasting a lot of time and a lot of money, american taxpayer money, investigating things

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that is the message that is standing out in advance of ascended delusion into gop investigations into the biden administration in the next congress. joe biden has not formally declared whether or not he will run for reelection, but that is not stopping democrats from treating the congressional troves to come as an opening salvo in an at 20 expected 2024 campaign, perhaps a rematch with trump. what's more is that white house officials plan to take inspiration from dye biden's -- and go on the offense. they're relying on the fact that less than three in ten voters think that congress should vote for and impeachment investigation in biden's dealings. we are back now with a sunday night panel. already joe, this is right for you because you are watery prosecutor. how would you advise the water at the white house to prepare

for the investigations that are to come? >> first i would say the preparation is a good idea, whether he is running for office or not. whether he is running for reelection, he will be a target. they are going to try to diminish the image of the president and of the democratic party. so it will happen, and therefore preparation is a good idea. i will say that they need to do two things. one, they have to obviously have the defense ready for any of the allegations that they can expect to come. we expect hunter biden to be a target and we expect them to allege that president biden somehow benefited or helped his son get extra business. not in his role as a concerned father, but in his role as the vice president of the united states. so they need to prepare the facts on that. and then they also need to be

prepared to take the offense in terms of what the accusers of guilty of. it is sort of like you are saying, how does mccarthy ignore what donald trump does in terms of antisemitism and then say, i am kicking people off of committees because they made an antisemitic comment. it is the same thing here, they have to be prepared to know what the other side did, so there are two aspects as a trial lawyer that i would advise them to take. >> hayes, what are the chances that the republicans basically will play their hands. by that i mean, there are topics that are worthy of investigation. for instance, the flawed afghanistan withdrawal. we can see a probing interest in the investigation in that, one that would be embarrassing for the biden administration. at the same time, two voters really care about probes into critical race theory or hunter

biden's business dealings? how do republicans manage to satisfy the base which want those latter probes, but also legitimate exercise oversight responsibilities here? >> i feel the republicans have been struggling with over the course of the last decade as they have seen their ranks joined by more more members of the far-right, as they have seen the tea party takeover, you saw the benghazi investigations. after -- you would think that they would have learned from the overreach that they saw their, that they would have learned from the overreach during the clinton impeachment. i feel for the biden administration in that they do need to corroborate these investigations. one of the things that they need to do is, even though many of them are going to be baseless, they have to prepare to hand over documents, to not fight in court over absolutely

false claims of executive privilege, to keep these investigations from going. they need to push forward with them as if this were a sane congress and make sure that they, as jill is saying, dot their i's and cross their t's and have documents ready to be handed over to congress. i know the biden administration has been staffing up, i hope that in the last few weeks of legislating, chuck schumer and nancy pelosi, have slipped a couple of extra million into the budgets that the council, just make sure they have the proper staffing to handle the wave of investigations that are going to be coming. >> well joe, let me ask you about that. how much baldest the white house have to actually play? hayes vax a very valid point, we all remember the clinton years where there were in credible disputes around what they viewed as fishing expeditions. ultimately i think --

some are saying that they should never cooperated in the first place. if you are sitting with the biden people in the council office, what would you say to them in terms of, okay, do you legitimize these investigations? do you cooperate with him, do you turn everything over, or do you find on some grounds of executive privilege? >> this is the hardest question that you could possibly ask because you are in a situation where the republicans have completely thumbed their nose at all oversight. >> i do not just mean in terms of criminal impeachment investigations, but even things like immigration policies of the trump administration where congress wanted to ask questions, they just simply refused. it continues to this day, all of the people who have been subpoenaed now to testify in various venues, whether it is georgia or the doj or congress, have gone to court, have delayed the point where it -- and hayes actually wrote a very

good piece saying it is possible that donald trump won, even though he lost the decision about turning over things, because he delayed to the point where turning over his tax returns is useless. turning over any documents is useless. that is a very interesting point. i am sure that democrats were saying, let's play the same game they played. why should we cooperate? why should we turn over anything? they said they didn't have to, that there were not all these privileges. i am one of the people that believe that the law is law and that you should not falsely claim that there is executive privilege when there clearly is not. you should cooperate. i also believe that where there is nothing there, cooperation maybe the best thing for your political purposes as well, because it will show that there is nothing there. on the other hand, it is a big waste of time and that troubles me. i'm hoping that voters who have really spoken up by how they

voted this midterms, we'll do it again in 24 and say we cannot have the governing done by a party that wants to waste time. we want someone who is going to pass legislation and govern in a way that will help us, and that is not what the republican agenda is right now. >> all right jill and hayes, stay with us again. we really appreciate it. and up next, as democratic control of washington comes to an end, a group of lawmakers is making a last-ditch effort to revive techs child tax credit. child tax credit. y & gum gives us the dual action effect that really takes care of both our teeth sensitivity as well as our gum issues. there's no question it's something that i would recommend. guys, it's time to stop treating your groins

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parental employment. but republicans who are about to take control of the house, they oppose bringing back the child tax credit, citing inflation concerns. but the heart of the matter is not really politics, it is americans like thomas and his wife pamela. thomas and pamela raising three children, they say that the payments how helped raise them above the poverty line, and of payments are lapsed, they are back to suffering. as thomas told the new york times, quote, we are back to the everyday struggle. let's bring back our panel to discuss this. jill, is it a realistic goal for democrats to try to revive the child tax credit? >> it is a good goal, but in this congress, in this divisive environment it is not realistic. . we are clear in the message that we are getting, that republicans will not reliable this to happen. even when we talk about the lame duck session, that

democrats have control of both searched houses, they really do not. as long as there is a requirement of 60 votes in the senate and the democrats have only 50, they could not get 60. they will not be ten republicans who will break a filibuster. so it does not matter that there are 50 democrats will vote for this in the senate, or that there is a majority in the house that will vote for, it will not pass. kevin mccarthy has made it clear that he will not allow it to pass. >> even if they had the 50 vote threshold, which they could potentially do on reconciliation, not all 50 democrats are there. senator manchin among. the skeptics are. hayes, what is your sense of the politics there? where they get to the point where there is objectively so much success, and you share jill's view that it is just not going to be resuscitated politically, at least in the near term? >> as you said, joe manchin of

west virginia, he is the main reason why this program lapsed. he did not want to include an extension of the child tax credit that in the form it existed, in the reconciliation package that eventually became the inflation reduction act. manchin believed that there is evidence that this would make it so that people would not work, so that parents would lollygag about with their new found riches as opposed to actually getting jobs. there is not evidence of that, though. this pilot program basically showed, like you said, that the reduction in child poverty by have, which some critics say it is not that much. it is to the people who are no longer below the poverty line, and there were also concerns from manchin and others that it was inflationary. that these checks, were contributing to the inflation that we have seen over the last

year and a half. however, there is not really evidence of that. there is not proof that it is extra income in people's pockets contributed overall to the rise in prices that we've seen over the last year. things that have gone up in price are not the basic necessities that, or have not been because of people who are in poverty able to buy more chicken, for example. there is no sign that the rush on demand on meat from people who, for example, received child tax credit, is contributing to the polish in the prices in the meat industry. so, i think that it is good policy to try to revive this tax credit. is it politically viable? i have my doubts but i, think it is worth fighting for. even though there is not a chance of it passing within the lame duck session, it should be a priority that the democratic party is moving forward, to be able to make the lives of

american families easier by giving them back the money that they have already going to be giving back in the year, throughout the year. that is really what we are talking about here is a early tax refund to people who have already been paying those taxes, would be getting it back mostly at the end of the year. anyways >> jill, the republican argument is that haze is wrong. i mean they're not arguing that haze is wrong, but this is in fact this is inflationary. you give people more money to spend, they spend more money on food, the price of food can go up because food manufacturers can charge more. whether or not the economics of that is true, and i've seen studies on both sides of the equation, the fact of the matter is that politically this is an easy one for republicans. they can say that any new spending is off the books, we are living the six to 7% inflation, we have to get out of that. is this just going to be certifiably impossible for democrats to have any nude

discretionary spending in the next two years until they get back house control, if they get back out control? >> i would say that haze is right, this is politically a good thing to fight for, it is what the democratic party stands for, it is what the voters want and it -- people of wall -- people should want us to happen. so it is worth fighting for, but i do think it is an easy argument for the republicans to make that this is just not going to happen. at the same time, how can they then say, but we have to give tax breaks to the rich? and that is what they do stand for, and that is what they fight for. so, it is the poor people who do not benefit, the rich people do, and the question is how can the democrats finally get to communicate those facts to the voters so that voters realize that they're voting against their own interest when they

vote for the republican party who will take away the benefits for them. this was something that really did help and i think you are right, there are arguments on both sides, there is specifics on both sides, but from what i have read, this districts that seem most persuasive are the ones that haze were referring to, which is that there is no evidence that it caused inflation, there is no evidence that the people got this money stopped working. they went back to work as soon as they could, they were able to live better with us money and the two jobs that they already had to hold. the evidence seems to be to support that point of view. >> one undisputable fact is that it lifted millions of people, millions of children, out of poverty. that is not in dispute. jill wine-banks, hayes brown, thank you for spending your sunday evening with us. we really appreciate it. ahead, the incredible true

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on her and her sister's journey. a professional swimmer, part of the first ever refugee olympic team in the 2016 arriola picks. she also represented the team in the 2020 tokyo olympics and was appointed to be a goodwill ambassador by the un refugee agency in 2017. thank you for joining us. let's start with this, the swimmers, it is a story based on you and your sister's journey fleeing syria during the civil war. it chronicles the many trials that you both faced. what is it like seeing your personal story, the story of you and your sister and your family, portrayed on film? >> honestly, it is a great pleasure for us. those stories are not usually picked out, the next hollywood movie, so we are very, very lucky. we wanted to share the story, and we said yes about the movie, is because we wanted to share

the story of millions of refugees are going through. we think that the movie is doing a great job with that. it is bringing a lot of awareness to what is happening with refugees, and netflix helped us bring us to the old world. it is really exciting and a very surreal moment for us. >> there is a scene in the film where your character, who is played by nathalie issa, tells your cousin as you are leaving syria that you are not refugees and you do have a home. talk about, essentially that. the toll that it takes to know that you have a home but you cannot stay in your home. >> yeah, i think it was really hard for me to admit that i am abandoning everything and everyone i know, especially being 17 years old. to me it was like, we are going to go to germany for a few years, and then we'll go back home. that was the idea, that was the

plan. but, i struggled with the word refugee, even when i started for the refugee olympic team, i did not want to go, as you can see in the movie, but that was not fiction that was real. i struggle with the word refugee because of the misconception of what refugee is. when you talk about a refugee, you imagine them coming from a place where we have no electricity, we have no technology, we are poor and that was why i was struggling with the word refugee until i learned more and understood that being refugee should not stop me from being who i am. i contributed, i swam, and i'm like you know what, when i go to the olympics i am representing millions around the world, especially competing under the olympic flag, which is an honor to me. that is how my idea of what a refugee has changed.

i'm going to own up to it and bring more awareness about it all over the world. and it is good for them. >> when you got to germany, you had this incredibly dangerous track in which a lot of people have died. you could to germany and then you decide that you are going to continue your swim trainings. i guess the question is, was that because you felt like you needed something that you had in your past to continue doing, was it always with the goal to get to the olympics, what was the emotional baggage and having to do and commit to swimming all over again once in germany? >> honestly, it was my only hope. i did not know anything in germany or anyone. i had to learn the language, which it took me awhile to accept. i had my sister and my cousin, you don't really have a life when you get to germany because you have to learn the language,

and as you can see in the movie, you are not really free to do anything else and the only thing that made me feel peaceful again, that help me with my anxiety and my trauma, was swimming because, i was very very young, my dad was my coach. he taught me that once you enter the pool you have to leave everything behind and focus on the sport, and era sports goal, and that is exactly what i did. it helps me find my community again, it helped me find amazing people that i still call family until today. really, to be honest, it was my only hope in life at that moment and it helps me to stand up again and be okay again. >> all right, but yusra mardini, thank you so much, an inspiring story, a must watch movie and a great message for refugees across the world. thank you so much for sharing your story with us. >> thank you. >> thank you the viewer for

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