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that critical georgia runoff that could strengthen the democrats incoming senate majority. and we'll have a reality check on what legislation can get the bipartisan support that will be necessary to pass congress in the upcoming lame duck session. add good day. i'm garrett haake in washington. andrea is on assignment overseas as we track the ongoing protests across china against the communist party's highly restrictive zero covid policy. z. this is an unprecedented show of defiance from beijing to shanghai. the tipping point was last week's deadly apartment fire where residents say excessive lockdowns delayed firefighters from reaching the victims. now, thousands are declaring they've had enough. even some calling for the removal of xi.

here at home, the protests could impact your holiday shopping with workers at apple's largest factory joining the protest. the white house today voicing support for peaceful protests and reiterating its belief that china won't be able to contain the virus through their strategy. we start with janice in beijing. you've been living this. describe how zero covid impacts every aspect of daily life there and why these protests are so remarkable. >> reporter: i think what makes these protests remarkable, garrett, is that they are simultaneous protests happening in multiple cities with people rallying around a single issue in a country where open defiance is a risk. it comes with dangers. what we're talking about with zero covid is a system that has control over every aspect of

daily life. of how you travel, where you can travel. near daily testing. quarantines. lockdowns. restrictions on your mobility. it's been three years of this and people have been growing frustrated. there was this sense that maybe things would change after the 20th party congress when xi was able to sew up his leadership in the party, then things didn't change. that's why by the time the boiling point hit on friday night with that tragic fire, anger had really been brewing and it's why we're seeing this swell of defiance. people chanting openly, calling for freedom, calling to end lockdowns, to end the testing, to end all of these things that have upended daily life. have choked the economy and have left people three years into the pandemic gasping. what is also lacking here is any

clear exit strategy from the leadership to suggest to people that there is a way out. >> let's talk about the covid response since that's what this semis from. china isn't using the mrna vaccines. their elderly population isn't fully inoculated. why is china sticking with almost an 18th century response to the pandemic when they've got 21st century tools available to them? >> reporter: this is the golden question. there was a time when zero covid made sense as a public health strategy to try to contain cases. to try to quarantine people. to prevent the virus from spreading. the sense is among critics is that the government has since squandered the time. that for the past three years, so much has gone into building this massive infrastructure to lock cities down, to take people

away to quarantine. they're building these mass quarantine centers of shipping containers that are spread out in acres of fields. so there's the sense that all of the effort went into scaling up that aspect of controlling the virus and the vaccinations part of it wasn't scaled up in the same way. there is a woefully low vaccination rate among the elderly and the vulnerable here and as well those foreign mrna vaccines still haven't been approved here. so there is the sense that the government of xi is now in a very tough position because they're having to quell the unrest that has been growing over several days and shows few signs of letting up and also at the same time, trying to not back away from this signature policy that they have held up as a success to this point. >> all right.

thank you for your great reporting from china. we appreciate it. we've got much more to discuss on this topic and with us now is richard stengel and pbs news hour, chief correspondent, who in january, will be the next co-anchor of pbs news hour alongside friend of the show, jeff bennett. rick, tinamen square was 30 years ago. uniting in their opposition to zero covid. could this be another potential tipping point for china? >> yes, garrett, it could. and one of the differences between tiananmen square between 1989 and today is social media and the fact we're watching what people are filming on their phones. we're watching people hold up white paper like this because of the suppression of free speech. it's really an extraordinary thing. it shows i would argue the universal hunger for freedom and democracy that the chinese

people have wanted for a long time. but more importantly in this kind of global twilight struggle between democracy and authoritarian ism, what the policy show ss that an authoritarian response is less responsive. using vaccines, allowing people to mingle. allowing things like fifa and the world cup. i think eyes around the world people are looking well maybe that western system, that american system, that democratic system is better than that authoritarian system that has zero lockdowns and doesn't work. >> we've seen uprising against systems in china and iran and russia. all over different issues over the last seven months with lp different elements in play. we've seen these protesters

holding their blank white pieces of paper trying to protest censorship in a creative way. you've got it scrubbed off the chinese internet and now even korj of the world cup is being altered in china not to show the maskless crowd. talk about this cat and mouse going on between government sensors and chinese people trying to get their message across. >> i think it's important to point out that level of censorship is not necessarily anything new, which to rick's point further underscores just how remarkable and unprecedented these scenes that. that that many people have been taking to the streets and it's uniting people across a number of different sections of the population there. it's not just young chinese people and university students. it's middle class, elite, factory workers. people coming out not just to protest these strict lockdowns, but also to call for free speech and their right to be able to protest. to call for a free media to

impress to be able to report on this and to call in many cases, for the removal of president xi. these are remarkable scenes we're seeing. that said, that censorship you're noting, that is part in parcel of this regime's response. this is a government that heavily monitors and sensors its population and is quick to crack down on any dissent as we have seen. the difference in a unique set of circumstances we're seeing in china separate and apart from other protests in other places is that you're talking about three years of frustration and anger that have built and built and built and a policy that the government would hold up as a success. yes, they managed to keep their death rate to one of the lowest per capita in the world, in the thousands, and at the same time, they reached a breaking point. the government's new question now is which outbreak do they deal with? if they loosen restrictions and deal with a rise in covid cases,

that is one outbreak or do they somehow deal with this outbreak of rage and frustration. >> their death rate is so low now, but so is their vaccination rate. rick, the chinese communist party had always relied on china's economic growth as part of how it quelled dissent. people making a ton of money were less likely to come out into the streets complaining about these issues, but now you're seeing gdp falling off from 8% to something like 3%. how does that change in china's economic condition affect the force behind these protests going forward? >> i'm sure it does, garrett. i saw the same figures you did. gdp growth for the last three or four months was like 3.2% and they were forecasting 5.5% so it's down by 50%. remember, when there are lockdowns, you don't have foot traffic. you don't have people going to

factories. the fox con factory that makes apple products, a city of 21 million people, has shut down. that's going to cause price increases all around the world. but i want to make one another point and amna made fantastic points about the protests. you mentioned tiananmen square. the tiananmen square protests existed for six weeks kind of unfettered before the chinese government did anything. so their model is actually not quick suppression of protest, but waiting and planning a kind of more complete crackdown. i hope that doesn't happen now. i think it would be smart for xi to show a bit of openness. that would help quell some of the protests, but that remains to be seen whether that will be the case. >> it's incumbent on all of us to keep our eyes focused on this over the days and weeks to come and not turn away as the crackdown comes.

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and victoria soto, dean of the clinton school of public service at the university of arkansas. vaughn, you've taken a deeper dive into who fuentes is. what have you learned through googling who this man is and what he stands for? >> let's be clear, garrett. nick fuentes is not an unknown entity. especially on the right. earlier this year at cpac in orlando, florida, in which republicans have now for years attended and spoken at, including donald trump himself, who was there that very weekend, the headline from that weekend was the fact that nick fuentes was holding his own counter conference, if you may, a white nationalist antisemitic conference just across the street. it's tough. i think we are always here internally within the news organization debating how much

air time, how much attention do we pay to somebody like a nick fuentes, who is appearing on stage at that particular conference with the likes of marjorie taylor greene and congressman paul gosar, joe ar pay owe. but you can no longer claim these are fringe individuals here when he is appearing at dinner at mar-a-lago alongside the former president of the united states. this is an overt white nationalist. an individual who has said that young white men are quote, the secret sauce to making america great again. this is a nazi sympathizer who has praised hitler, praised putin. i want to read this quote to make it clear what he believes and what he believes the future of america should be. that is quote we are going to take wour in this country, in my lifetime. we are coming for you. your days in power are numbered.

you think you can replace it, you're wrong. we will replace you. this is an explicitly white nationalist, antisemitic, anti gay, male dominant individual here who had dinner with the former president of the united states and the leading candidate for president of 2024. >> so ashley, that's what vaughn was able to find out probably easily about nick fuentes. we saw those posts from trump trying to distance himself from fuentes. this is a familiar pattern for folks like you who have covered him. is it not? >> it absolutely is. and in all of that distancing, one thing that struck me was what was not in it. no condemnation of fuentes. no condemnation of his believes, no condemnation of racism, white nationalism or antisemitism. and having covered him in certain ways, this is the sort of thing that happened to a

lesser extent in the white house. there were not the traditional barricades around him then has sort of become magnified on steroids in his post presidency where he lost the few gate keepers who did exist. so even if you take the former president and his team at their word that they didn't really know who he was, which as vaughn laid out, is somewhat dubious and based on the number of times this president has lied, there's no reason to take him on his word at this. if you believe that just the fact that a racist white nationalist antisemite could get into the former president's club and have a dinner meeting with the former president, that is stunning. >> it's extraordinarily sloppy. the kanye west piece of this is just as troubling in some ways because donald trump clearly knows who west is and knew about

the kind of comments he has been making for the last several weeks and he still welcomed him to his table. what's in that meeting for trump or west and what should we read into it? >> what i'm seeing here is basically attention grabbing, right? so this to me was a throwback of reality tv and there is the political piece of it of the white nationalism and cozying up to that. i'm going to set that aside for a moment, but it's really about grabbing the spotlight and it's something trump knows how to do and he knows kanye west and nick fuentes can guarantee the spotlight being brought back on to him then he can deny and back peddle and do what he's been doing, but i think when we look at trump losing a little bit of his grip in the last midterm election, elon musk just coming out and saying that he would support ron desantis in 2024, i feel that this is a little bit

of a media desperation ploy to get back into the spotlight and doing it in such an incredibly negative way in highlighting white nationalism. >> well, charlie to that end, hell of a campaign kickoff here for donald trump over the last ten days or so. he launches his campaign. couple of days later, got a special counsel. couple days after that, his taxes will be turned over. then this story. how problematic is it for republicans in general that kind of this is what you get once again with donald trump back in the spotlight? all this kind of mess when oh, by the way, there's a major senate race that still has to be decided in which you cannot separate donald trump from the republican candidate there. >> well, they bought this ticket a long time ago and this does feel familiar because we've seen donald trump engaging in these kinds of alliances with bigots and conspiracy theorists. we saw it in charlottesville,

with proud boys et cetera. and republicans have decided over time that they were not going to take him on. they're not going to call him out. they're going to look at their shoes and i guess we're seeing that muscle memory of cowardess once again. i continue to be struck by the fact that donald trump announced he was running for president again and i think his attention was that he was going to clear the field and that there would be the mad rush of the republican party to embrace him again. none of that has happened. he's got a great deal of momentum and i think that his opponents are sitting back thinking we're not going to say anything. we're going to let donald trump continue to make missteps like this to implode but of course we've seen how that strategy works in the past and i also have to say look, there are real consequences for having dinner with kanye west and nick fuentes, which is that he gives them oxygen. he gives them encouragement and

over the last six years, we've seen how this kind of hate has been normalized and mainstreamed. and at some point, republicans, if they want to have a post trump future, are going to have to come to grips with this con. i think you're seeing itplay out in very realtime. >> the challenge for news rooms, how do you not elevate these people but still cover the news value of them, meeting with the former and attempting to be future president. ashley i'm going to give you the last word. so far, the folks on the right who have been criticizing donald trump have been potentially folks who would run against him. chris christie who said this is just another example of the awful lack of judgment from donald trump. talking about his poor judgment in the past. saw a similar comment from asa hutchison. is this the cracking of the door

how folks will distance himself? whether it be just his direct opponents or other opponents? >> one of the statements most interesting to me was from mike pompeo, another 2024 hopeful who served in the trump administration who was not as direct as former governor christie who came out and denounced antisemitism and said it had no place in our society. but did not in any way, shape, or form, name the former president. again, if you're closely following mike pompeo's tweets, you probably understand the context in which he was responding to, but there still feels to be that little bit of hesitancy. even among people who hope to challenge him, of yes, i want to take him on. yes, i want to come out. and coming out against antisemitism is a pretty easy thing to do. it's like coming out in favor of dogs and grandmothers, but they don't want to directly go after trump.

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early in-person voting kicked off in georgia over the weekend and more than 166,000 people have already cast their vote in the senate runoff between warnock and walker, who's now fending off a report he had a tax write off for his primary home in texas. neither candidate cracked the 50% threshold. that's how we got here. georgia's ninth runoff in the century. joining me now, trae main lee, mark murray and greg bluesteen. tremayne, you were at an early voting site in fulton county. what's the turnout been like, what are you hearing and what are they doing now in this final

stretch? >> reporter: you mentioned that 160,000 people have voted early and if there's any indication about how turnout has been so far, i'm here in buckhead. they've been out here all morning long. there's been a truncated kind of schedule where early voting has been slashed in half. so these candidates are trying to get their base excited and riled up, but also to get folks off the fence. they've spent between the two of them, $240 million in ad spending, but things have turned chippy. >> unbelievable. >> so when china gets -- they've got to move. >> it's all the same. >> not only does it make sense, i don't even understand what he thinks he's saying. >> moves on to our good state. and now we've got to clean that back up. >> i sat and watched these on

twitter and i'm like what the heck is this guy talking about? >> reporter: in this final stretch, things have gotten nasty, but these candidates are pulling out their big gun surrogates. you have herschel walker campaigning with brian kemp, the governor elect. you also have senator warnock will be visited by barack obama will be here on thursday. so they're pulling out all the stops here in this final stretch. >> walker's not going to have kemp's coat tails on the top to have the ticket to try to ride on here in this final stretch. greg, walker has another problem. so much off of negative stories. this one, a cnn report he got a tax write off for a home in texas that would only apply if it was his primary home. nbc news has not confirmed that reporting. is this just another drip, drip, drip of negative headlines for walker? >> yeah, and today, democrats are basically calling for an investigation of this. to see whether or not he

violated state law, but there have been a number of reports that add to this mountain of opposition research against walker and this one essentially says that indicates he's taking a homestead exemption that indicates his $3 million house is in texas is his primary residence. long before he ran for office, before he announced his bid, that just cast a spotlight on those issues. >> residency was a huj issue in the pennsylvania election. mark, you point out republicans used to clean up in these runoffs. that's not been the case of late. talk to me about the historical precedent and what warnock has to do to overcome it. in a georgia runoff for republicans, but also those swing in the direction of the party who didn't do as well in the midterms. >> before 2021 when warnock and

ossoff won those twin wins in georgia, republicans had dominated the runoff going back to 2006. they had won every this century expect 2021. another historical situation you end up having is that the party what ends up doing well in that general election, so democrats in 2006, 2008, and 2018, end up not doing that well in the runoff. maybe one of the reasons why is you're not as fired up as you were in the general election. hey, we won. now we can keep our feet off the gas now. but in 2021, we ended up seeing ossoff and warnock ended up winning, kind of breaking that precedent again. where walker once defied history is that most of the time although not all the time, the candidate that ends up getting the most vote in the general election has gone on to win the runoff. the exception the public exhibition service, but ossoff

was trailing in 2020. so but you know, you end up looking at the history there and maybe rafael warnock has the advantage that he got so close to 50%. >> what kind of a problem is it for walker that kemp is not on the ticket for them? there was a huge gap in november. >> to me, the biggest challenge walker has are those drop off votes. chuck todd and everyone made a big point on it. there were people who cast ballots for brian kemp who either voted for warnock or who didn't vote at all and getting those people out and obviously, we see the ads starring brian kemp. tremayne reporting that kemp was going to do events for walker, but those people show up and the whole game is turnout. >> tremayne, back to you. i'm curious if you're hearing anything from the voters you're talking to about whether the fact that control of the senate is settle this had time, which wasn't the case a year ago when

we did this, is making any difference to democratic voters. if you're still seeing people as fired up to come out and cast a vote knowing this is for their senator, not for the whole senate. >> reporter: i've been talking to folks for weeks now about this very issue. what's motivating folks in the polls and really it's been these contradictions between these two men. those who view warnock as a moral pillar. the folks here, part of this is settled. maybe get a clear majority. most of all, it's been who these candidates are and what they represent. >> all right. thank you all. moving on now, there's trouble in paradise after the world's largest active volcano started stirring overnight. the volcano on hawaii's big island is erupting for the first time since 1984. shelters are open as a precaution, but officials say no major population centers are

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are you ready to spend? be honest. are you shopping on your phone at work now? it is cyber monday and with inflation cramping americans wallets, shoppers are searching for deep discounts to make their dollars stretch. sales today are expected to top $11 billion in addition to a record $9 billion spent on black friday. all those items will have to be shipped, too, so let's head to brian chung. he's in an amazon facility in new jersey. how are those shippers trying to keep up this year?

>> reporter: i was doing a little online shopping myself. you mentioned a lot of movement this season because of what we saw last season. we remember a lot of those supply chain snags. for what it's worth here at this amazon facility, they have about 5,000 people on staff for this time of the peak holiday season. that's over 1,000 more than they usually have in the off peak. i spoke with the general manager here at this facility to ask how they think about and are trying to manage the high volume for this holiday season. >> we call it like steering the titanic. never want to make a giant adjustment. it's slight adjustments as you go. this center specifically is getting tons of volume. we're one of the highest producing volume centers in the country so our name of the game is run as much volume through this facility as you can. >> reporter: as much volume to try to handle all of these

packages. brian added the peak, when it comes to the amount of things that move through this fulfillment center last through cyber monday into tuesday and wednesday. only after that, do they start to see activity here start to peter off a bit, but very busy over here at the facility. >> put that package back on the conveyer belt. that's got somewhere to go. thank you. and christmas is coming to washington with the first lady inviting children of national guard families to the white house today. this is part of her joining forces initiative to support military families. she wanted to hear the kids stories about how their schools and communities can help support national guard families. the bidens are of course a national guard family themselves because of the late beau biden's service. and to help break the ice, there was an informal poll around the table. the kids say the best holiday movies are elf and home alone, but the first lady says she prefers snoopy and a charlie

brown christmas. this year's theme is we the people, complete with 77 christmas trees, nearly 84,000 holiday lights. at the world cup soccer tournament, team usa is trying to keep their focus on their match with iran just over 24 hours from now, but the u.s. soccer federation has become deeply embroiled in the protest against the tehran government. megan fitzgerald has more now from doha. >> reporter: as team usa and iran prepare to face off on the field, this morning, a fire storm of controversy building off the pitch. >> our opinion is that we want to play the game. >> reporter: the u.s. soccer federation briefly changing its social media accounts, showing the iranian flag without the islamic republic emblem. the federation says they did it to show support for the women in iran fighting for basic human

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walk me through how all of this is going to get done. >> reporter: yeah, it's going to get busy. we need you back up here and not in the studio. it is going to be a very busy few weeks. congress likes to wait until the last minute to get a lot of things done. that's basically where we are. this is a lame duck session that could be among the most consequential. you mentioned the cod fiction of same-sex marriage. it has to go back to the house before it goes back to congress. but also they are to authorize the funding of the military through the defense authorization act. they have to put another government spending bill into works. do they do something short-term or something a little bit more long term. there are questions about the electoral count act that would eliminate the possibility of another january 6th type of event happening here again in the future. and bigger issues perhaps they may consider dealing with the debt ceiling and issues along

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what i am doing is trying to ensure we do not tilt too far to the east or too fast to the west but maintain what we have here. there's no other southerner among us from the south. >> trying to keep geographical diversity. susan, how much of a role do you expect the older generation with clyburn still in leadership, speaker pelosi out of it but soon to be congresswoman pelosi, how do you see them continuing to play a leadership role with different leadership positions going forward? >> you know, they will continue to play some kind of role. you will not have nancy pelosi in her caucus and not draw on her for her expertise, fund-raising ability, for her advice. but this is a transition to a new team. the top three jobs going to new people, 30 years younger than the people they are succeeding. and also taking office in a different time. democrats going to be out of

power. they will be the opposition party. very different role than the one that current leadership has played for the past years as with democrats in control. so i think even with all three of the current leaders staying in the congress, their role is going to be different and smaller. and this is a new team that is taking over. >> what about clyburn specifically. obviously, he's someone who is very close to president biden in a way that the new leadership team just isn't in terms of how well they know each other. how critical is his sticking around for that going to be a conduit between the white house and the house democratic caucus? >> reporter: i think it's an important one. clyburn has kind of a unique standing. he has been in leadership a long time, highly respected and very well liked. he, perhaps more than any other single member of congress, is responsible for joe biden being in the white house today for winning that democratic nomination in 2020. so i think he plays a big role. but he's not a blunder bus.

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