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world has not seen at least since tiananmen square in 1989. widespread protests across china against covid lockdowns. nbc's janis mackey frayer has been covered it for us. >> reporter: from shanghai, in the east, to the northwest, crowds swelled in defiance. spilling over to the heart of beijing. >> we want freedom. we want to be afraid. >> chanting for freedom from the grip of a covid policy that protesters say has worn on too long. >> nearly three years in, and china is still enforcing its no covid policy. as the government won't put up with any covid, none at all, and the case was found in an apartment building or factory and that entire city gets put into a forced lockdown. it has kept the case count low, much lower than the rest of the world, and it likely has saved many lives, but again, three

years in, and the policy is seen as untenable and for some in china, cruel. which is what has led to these unprecedented protests. and we say unprecedented, because they are. since president xi solidified his control over china, no criticism has been tolerated. social media is blacked out. protesters are jailed. political opposition is silenced if it is allowed to exist at all. and yet, here we are, seeing these images, chinese people braving, and i mean braving, the streets, holding up blank white sheets of paper, as in we all know what we want to say, but can't, we all know what you would read on these sheets of paper, but we can't say it out loud. hundreds are even calling out xi by name, saying step down, xi jingping. it is a big day, and this could have broad consequences. joining me now from london is nbc's raf sanchez.

raf, janis mackey frayer has been covering beijing and she is showing us some of the protests there. talk to us about what has led to what we are seeing today. >> so, the immediate spark was a fire in the city all the way in the northwest of china last week and the fire was in an apartment building, it killed ten people, seven adults, three children, but what led to this anger was video on social media that appeared to show fire crews unable to get to the blaze and save these people's lives because of the covid restrictions that were in place. but as you said, that's just the spark. the kindling is three years of mounting frustration over this seemingly never-ending lockdown. if you live in china right now, you feel the impacts of this zero covid policy every single day. i was speaking to some of our colleagues in the beijing bureau, you want to get on the subway and go to work, you got to take a pcr test. and as you were saying, nobody

can predict anything but if one person on your block gets covid, all of a sudden, your whole neighborhood is potentially in lockdown, you may be locked in your home, in some cases, and now, we are seeing these protests just spreading like wildfire. most of them aimed at the covid policy. but some of them directly challenging the authority of the chinese communist party and of president xi jingping himself. these protests really kind of reached scale over the weekend, only today are we hearing officially from the chinese government at a briefing from the ministry of foreign affairs, the spokesman basically said there is nothing to see here. we are sticking with our covid policy, bee have faith in the leadership, and that really kind of illustrates the corner that the chinese government has painted itself into, because xi jingping has put his own prestige and the prestige of the covid policy but they have no exit plan, there is no way to get to lift these restrictions without potentially risking a

real surge in covid cases, because vaccination rates are not all that high right now in china, and we're also hearing from the white house today, for the first time, fairly mild statement, basically saying we support the rights of everybody everywhere to peacefully protest, which just shows you quite how delicate a moment it is right now, in relations between the u.s. and china. we saw president biden meeting with xi jingping in bali a couple of weeks ago. they're trying to secure chinese cooperation on issues like climate change, north korea, so the whole world really watching where these protests go, but also how president xi chooses to respond. >> their there are economic consequences as well. we will talk about those in a minute. we will talk about the white house and the vaccines as well. i want to ask you one more question about not the kindling but the spark as you said, that sparked these protests and the fire in the apartment building. can you talk a little bit about what happened and who died? >> yes, so this is in xinjiang

province in west china and incredibly strict lockdown for months and months and months, and so the people who died in this fire spent the last couple of months of their lives in lockdown, with very restricted movement. there is a lot of anger. a lot of frustration to begin with in that area. and then the idea that fire crews were unable to do something as basic as get to the scene of a burning building and rescue people from it, because of these covid restrictions, and if in some way, you know, a fire is less dangerous than covid, i think it is really the thing that has just pushed a lot of people over the edge, and we saw them taking to the streets, across the province, and as we had in the clip, all across the country of 1.4 billion people, the enormous geography and in beijing and shanghai, people chanting unbelievably incendiary

chants including down with the come next party and down with xi jingping. >> which is incredible that they would go out and say that outloud. i heard one reporter today on the bbc saying that saying xi jingping's name in public is kind of like saying voldemort in public. people flinch at the name, that's how controlled the government is, how controlled the entire country is, and what speaking out could mean. >> it is an absolute red line. >> exactly. raf, thank you very much for starting us off. let's get into this a little bit deeper with mike memoli and washington columnist david ignatius, an msnbc contributor, and "politico's" china correspondent and the author of "china watcher newsletter feeling kind." i want to play a little bit more from our colleague janice mackey frayer who is there and talking about the scene and what it is like in that country. >> when you get covid in china, you don't take a few days off work and ride it out at home.

they track you down. and they take you away to the hospital where you're isolated, your family is taken to a quarantine center, and you stay in this system until the system says you can leave. the problem is that the government hasn't scaled up vaccinations in the same way, meaning three years into the pandemic, most of the country still has very little experience with the virus, so the problem now facing xi jingping and the leadership is there is no clear exit strategy. >> vaccines have been widely available around most of the world. china is one of the biggest nations in the world, if not the biggest, if my numbers are right, and what's going on with their vaccine campaign? why do they not have pfizer? do they not have moderna? >> well, the problem is, that the chinese government has not approved the use of those pfizer and moderna mrna vaccines, which have much better efficacy than the local vaccines. so that's the first problem.

the second problem is there is a vast population, particularly of elderly people, very vulnerable, who have not been vaccinated, so it is this paradox of essentially a totalitarian state that seems unable or unwilling to get the most vulnerable citizens vaccinated. and there is no backstop. china's icu units are a fraction of what they're going to require, if and when they really start to open up and let off on its zero covid policy. >> let's talk about the broader consequences here. obviously covid is the spark but you've got a country that is under almost totalitarian rule, communist rule by xi jingping who has now just extended his leadership, as i said a moment ago, some reporters discussed how saying his name in public can be like saying voldemort in public. how does the regime, i know you haven't, maybe you have spoken with them directly, but how does the regime see the threat? what does this mean broadly

speaking? >> so this is an absolutely totalitarian state run by a modern day emperor whose coronation, as that, was just publicly celebrated, the party congress, in october, there was a lot of speculation, before the party congress, that xi jingping might ease the zero covid policy that already was producing intense public anger before the party congress began. there were banners draped from a bridge in beijing with slogans critical of the government, again almost unheard of. so there was a sign that there was trouble brewing. i think about pressure cooker. it's like what is happening, people feel they can't breathe and move, and finally the pressure cooker, is blue, and we are seeing the effects of that, and people out on the streets

the last few days making slogans that you never would have imagined. xi jingping, stand down. communist party, stand down. i thought i would never hear that in my life. but we're in that moment. it just shows that totalitarian societies are so vulnerable. they emphasize control so totally, that the minute it slips away, pow, there's a, suddenly an enormous unleashing of energy that's been captive. >> there are 1.4 billion people in china. billion with a b. there's way more people in that country than there are enforcers of the country's regime. i know it is very early, but could we see this as a turning point? do you expect to see a crackdown that is so swift and so significant, it is going to, you know, kill this flame before it could spread? >> so just briefly, what we've seen is the chinese are

reluctant to have the kind of mass crackdowns that make movements grow even more intense. the way they squeezed hong kong, week by week, until there was just nothing left in the way of press freedom and personal freedom, and the authorities, as i've watched on the streets, the last couple of days, have been fairly restrained. maybe we'll see open widespread shooting, the kind of thing we remember from tiananmen square. i would be a little surprised at that. xi has a terrible dilemia. let's be honest. he has rising public anger. you can see it in people's faces and rising covid, it's for real, it will spread and the death rate in china among older chinese is going to be substantial. so xi is in a dilemma that no lead we're want. but i would be a little surprised if there was a massive nationwide crackdown right away.

>> it is also in some economic trouble as well than will have global consequences as well. mike, let me ask you about the white house, and the response, how is the white house watching this? >> well, katy, obviously this is a development that is both intriguing and one that is concerning, that the white house is monitoring very closely. when you think on a foreign policy, national security basis, what has been the big idea guiding president biden's foreign policies, that the 21st century is a contest of autocracies versus democracies. so as the white house is watching the situation develop, they're looking at this as a major test for china and an example of perhaps how there are limits on authoritarianism. you heard president biden talk so often about the trip he made 11 years ago. i was with him when he went as vice president to meet with then vice president xi jingping as well. he's watched the progression over the last 11 years as xi has moved in a more authoritarian direction. he has heard xi tell him that he doesn't think democracies can

cut it, because of the limitations. we've seen in our own domestic politics here, katy, what an effect covid has had in 2020, and on through 2021, 22, and as president biden is trying to navigate covid in this country, but we're seeing a major test for xi jingping. now if you also look at it from a domestic perspective, this is concerning as well, because remember, a year ago at this time, we were talking about the major complications in our supply chains that had a lot to do with the disruption of the economy in china, because of these covid policies. and so the white house is certainly monitoring that as well, to make sure, and we're certainly seeing it on the stock market right now, this doesn't quite cause sort of further jitters in our economic picture. but we're also going to get an on camera briefing for just about a half an hour, from john kirby, the national security council spokesperson, so we'll hear more about how the white house is viewing this, and potentially what further steps there are. remember, president xi, president biden, just met in

person, a few weeks ago, human rights was part of the conversation, and we know that they had this covid zero policy, and it was not necessarily something we know was on the agenda but certainly something they're watching and monitoring very closely at this point. >> while i have you quickly if you can, what is going on with russia and the nuclear talks? unilaterally postponing them? >> that's right, the white house and the state department is announcing today that russia has unilaterally pulled out of these conversations. this is obviously happening against the backdrop of the continuing war in ukraine. something the white house is making known their concerns about this. the possibility, the continued talks about nuclear disarmament has been one sort of rare area in which these two nations have been able to work through these last decades, and even in the last few years, with some degree of cooperation. so certainly concerning from the white house perspective to see russia make this move. >> mike memol thank you very

much. ukraine is bracing for another round of air attacks, president volodymyr zelenskyy told the country the defense systems are preparing for a deluge and people should not ignore the air-raid alerts this week. power across kyiv was only just restored yesterday, after the last series of missile attacks knocked out electricity. joining me now from kyiv is ellison barber, can you tell us what the latest is? >> reporter: yes, the massive missile strike last week on wednesday, it almost distantly set the majority of this country, instantly set the majority of this country into total darkness. wednesday after, shortly after the barrage of missiles, 12 million are set to be without power. we have from information from zelenskyy, it seems like despite all of the progress being made, getting electricity powered back to regions across this country, that this country could be back in the same position it was less than a week ago. there is no question here that

winter is becoming weaponized in this war. we have seen russia repeatedly on at least seven different occasions, massive missile strikes targeting civil infrastructure that provides basic necessities, heat, power, electricity, to millions of ukrainians, specifically targeting that. they say and argue that this is something that impacts the course of things on the battlefield, that these are tied to military infrastructure and targeted to them, and what we've seen in launching the massive attacks toward the energy infrastructure, it has done much at all to change the situation on the battlefield since they started aggressively launching these attack, you've seen russia have more losses on the battlefield than gains. the city of kherson being a recent example of that. so you're hearing from president zelenskyy to expect these attacks to continue, warning ukrainians to be prepared for them this week. at the same time, there are some ukrainian officials saying do you know what the best way is to avoid dealing with these

strikes, to avoid people here, having to get generators and pile up on blankets, do whatever they can to stay warm, it is more missiles, more high positioned missiles, more being long range. one of the security officials who just tweeted about this saying we need missiles that are more, that can fire more than 800 kilometers away. one thing that is interesting, following that tweet, or prior to that tweet, rather, you have this new report from reuters saying the pentagon is discussing the possibility of providing ukraine in 2023 with some weapons that would fire much further than weapons than currently provided up to them, up to 100 miles prl which is something we haven't seen the u.s. considerate all up to this point. >> ellison barber, thank you very much. one week until the georgia runoff and raphael war nong's team unleashed a new kind of ad against herschel walker. cyber monday and one deal

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the georgia runoff is one week away. we're seeing herschel walker and senator raphael warnock, trying to reenergize as many voters as possible, and if you're walker, that means you're trying extra hard. since more than 200,000 republicans who voted for brian kemp for governor did not vote for him. didn't vote for walker. well, if you're warnock, you're hoping the same republicans, either sit out or vote for you, and keeping on that candidate quality choice, that discomfort that some might have with walker, warnock issued a new kind of negative ad.

here's part of it. >> not only does it make good sense, i don't even think he knows what he is saying. >> it is a risk to me and millions of georgians to put this man in a position of power. >> let's call it what it is. embarrassing as hell. >> you know. >> joining me now from atlanta is msnbc's trymaine lee, and washington correspondent tina mitchell. so that ad is based around playing herschel walker's own words, and then having voters sit endlessly listening to them and try to figure out what he is saying or react to what he is saying and you saw it there. early voting has started, it's the last stretch of this runoff campaign, what are you hearing from voters about their energy to go out to the polls and i guess what they think of the

candidates? >> when you talk about energy in this final stretch, over the weekend, 160,000 people voted early. and this is only monday morning. and already about 85,000 people showed up to vote in lines like this here, and you can see this line, it is snaking out the door, all morning, folks have been strick ling in steady, i've been talking to folks about what motivated them, a and there is a range of issue, the contradiction between the two candidates, democracy at stake but folks like miriam here, a mother of three standing in line to vote, ands why wa it so important for you to come out early and make your voice heard. >> first and foremost, this is my life, i have three kids and more importantly as a black woman, knowing that this was not always available to us, and i will do anything i need to do to make my voice heard, exercise my right, and vote for the candidate that i think is going to align with my beliefs and my values and make a difference in our country. >> what is at stake?

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if it is an hour long, when i would otherwise be in the car pool line, that this day matters. even now. >> thank you very much. you heard this matters, the politics and the policy and the future and what happens in america. >> thank you very much. and that mom is impressive. standing in that line, holding the baby for as long as she is. all right, tia, let's talk about the mun thatch is being spent in this -- the money that is being spent in this race, so much is poured in, and what are you seeing and hearing from voters across the state about whether they tuned it all out, i mean it is hard to get people to come out and vote again in a runoff. what's the sense for this one now that senate control has already been decided? >> yes, i don't think voters have tuned it out, because it's hard for them to do so. they're being inundated not with just the ads that you played at the top of this hour, but you know, radio, mail, tv, when

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building with the primary based on the support from president trump. president trump then went on to support him and endorse him more recently, when he announced his own re-election bid. that being said, trump has not been a central figure in the race, mainly because herschel walker and the surrogates aren't talking about trump as much. trump has not come to campaign with herschel walker, but you can't ignore those ties, i don't think it affects his base as much, but i think it is one of the many factors that have, you know, people in the middle, perhaps those conservatives who are open to supporting herscheler walker, or open to supporting raphael warnock, another reason to do so if they're not happy with president trump. >> those independent voters, the voters in the middle, the ones on the right more toward the middle, who have shown that they have discomfort with that, and that's part of the reason why the republicans didn't win back the senate, and only marginally

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if you have not felt even a little itch to click on a cyber monday ad today, or sneak a look at your favorite retail site, then the evidence shows you are in the grand minority, because today is predicted to be the biggest online shopping day this country has ever seen a record-setting 11.2 billion in online orders are expected to be placed today. boxes filled, warehouses on overdrive, and that likely windfall follows a black friday blowout, sales topped $9 billion. joining me now from inside an amazon facility in new jersey brian cheung. there were protests at amazon facilities on friday. walkouts. and a number of them around the world. still though, quite a lot of orders placed, quite a lot of

boxes sent out, and what can you tell us about all that is flowing this cyber monday? >> reporter: yes, so there are small movements outside of a facility in chicago this morning as well, dwarfed mostly by what we saw on friday from the amazon movement, multiple movements around the world to advocate to pay the fair share of income taxes and doing a better job on the carbon footprint and pay a fair wage. amazon saying in a statement these groups represent a variety of interesting and while we're not perfect in any area, if you objectively look at what amazon is doing on these important matters, you'll see that we do take our role and our impact very seriously. and now, here on the ground, a robbinsville new jersey, this is a full fitment center, there have not been any disruptions and you can see the activity behind me, and that is of course because of the record volumes we're seeing, in terms of sales on black friday and today on

cyber monday, and looking at amazon, they set a record for sales on black friday, and keeping plenty of fulfillment centers around the country like this one very busy. >> brian, thank you very much. and as price tags go up, and inflation soars, some new data points to immigration as one possible remedy. legal immigration, this year, businesses couldn't get the visas they needed to recruit the army of foreign workers who helped keep their costs down. visa renewals had an eight-year low. take a look at how deep that gap is. u.s. companies sought visas for 484,000 with specialty skills and 85,000 made it and u.s. labor secretary marty walsh sees cause for concern because of that. >> we're worried about the recession. we're talking about inflation. i think we will have a bigger catastrophe if we don't get more workers into the society and we do that by immigration. >> joining me now is cnbc's senior economics reporter steve liesman. what's the deal with these

visas? why so few? >> well, these are backed up in part from the pandemic, and also, the u.s. has this growing labor shortage in this country, in the wake of the pandemic, you had more people retire, and people left the work force, and there is a greater need for workers and we simply can't fill those jobs from the american worker pool. 10.7 million job openings, 6 million unemployed. so therefore, if everyone of those unemployed americans got a job, there would still be 4.7 million jobs open. so the estimates are that we are short because of the pandemic, because of the huge labor shortage in this country, about 1.6 million legal immigrant workers from abroad. >> so immigration is not all bad, if you're making that argument? >> it's not only not all bad, it's essential for the economy to grow. and we simply cannot grow without foreign workers, there are a big part of the labor pool, a big part of the labor group and not only that, they're tremendously talented and educated in terms of the foreign

students right now, that are a part of the science, technology, engineering and math, and many of them are, in fact, up to 60, 70% of the students are foreigners, so in terms of maintaining our growth rate and maintaining our productivity rate, it is vite thal we bring in the number of immigrant workers that we need for this country. >> steve liesman, thank you very much. joining me now is the host of the podcast "full disclosure," we're talking about black friday and cyber monday and all of the money being made and the visas and the shortfall as steven was just talking about, and how immigration could help ease. so inflation that we're experiencing and you're looking at china and we started the show with the protests in china. what are you watching for, and how that might affect the world economy? >> this is an extended flu for china. this is kind of a covid hangover three-plus years. and china is the world's manufacturer. we want to talk about cyber monday, whether you're, you know, whimsy buying a pair of

blue tooth headphones or an iphone, or a computer, or a toy, or tickle me whatever, it's manufactured in china. and that's the concern. the mercenary concerns. if there's unrest, people are not going to be in a supply constrained environment producing these wares for the united states. and already the fear is that china is growing at half of the economic potential. and that then begets more unrest. so you see that reflected in the numbers on wall street today. >> tickle me whatever made me laugh. you are seeing this unrest and how that might affect the world economy, and the markets are obviously reacting to that. how do you as corporations, these multi-national corporations, respond to what they're seeing in china? >> you could talk a longer game in terms of supply chain resiliency. do you want to produce things in thailand, in other areas, you know, vietnam, bangladesh, for textiles, this has been a concern, you know, you and i have talked about it before with taiwan semi, and the clip that could have brought down the

entire economy. you have joe biden and others with an overdependence on one economy and having said that china has spent 50 years making them in dispensable as an electronics sector, telecom and chips and this is a long game and this is not something to turn on and turn off and switch vendors across southeast asia. >> i'm every curious, we've been talking for months, especially in the lead-up to the election about a looming recession where all of these predictions, you know, inflation was going to go up, blah-blah-blah, and where do we stand on that? >> you know, it's not as much a concern so much anymore. you see that maybe we can skirt a recession. we don't know if the fed will keep hiking and throwing the economy into a recession, but maybe, just maybe, there can be a soft landing where you have very muted economic growth, if not downright consecutive quarters of decline. so that's the hope right now. but again, once the fed steps up to the mic, i think all eyes will be on the interest rate again. >> i just wonder, how does it --

does the fed react at all to the way that the market has, or the way that the economy has adjusted to all of the inflation, and the spending habits of americans, they're still spending so much, records broken on black friday, and it looks like another record might be broken today on cyber monday, that despite the fact that we're dealing with record high inflation. >> and that then maybe begets more of the hawks in there that say maybe we need to take rates up. i called it fomo, versus momc, you sigh it in hospitality and travel, and you can't get tickets and airports are a disaster right now and the fed wants to snuff out some of that excess demand. >> what's fomc. >> federal open market committee. >> okay. >> interest rate setting policy body of the federal reserve. so i call it fomo versus momc. you can give me a nickel every time you use, that katy. >> i like that. ticking me whatever. >> thank you. >> by the way, i was in miami the other day and books and

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them pull away? joining me now is capitol hill correspondent ryan nobles. so there are some republicans, as i understand it, who have said flat out no, they're not going to vote for him. does mccarthy have anything left enough to convince to give him the gavel? >> there is quite a bit of time left before this vote takes place on the house floor. and there is a big difference between stating publicly you will never vote for kevin mccarthy as the house speaker and after negotiating behind the scenes, you somehow come see the light as it, were and then end up for voting for him on the house floor. that being said, this is still an uphill climb for kevin mccarthy, because the margins are so small, and he expect expect any democrats to vote for him on the house floor, he needs almost every single republican to vote yes and as you point out there, are at least four, maybe five republicans who have definitively said they will not vote for him. now, we still zoo know what the -- still don't know what the ultimate margins are going to be but we could get into a situation where he doesn't have

the votes on the house chlor, there isn't an alternative to win 218 votes, and then it goes to a second ballot and then beyond. this is something that our capitol hill team discovered hasn't happened in 100 years on the house floor. so that is a realistic possibility come january 3rd, but before we get to that point, katy, you can bet that kevin mccarthy is working the phones, talking to these members behind the scenes, doing everything he can to give them what they want, so that he ultimately wins the speaker's role on that first ballot on january 3rd. >> if he goes to the second ballot, with the history that he doesn't want to make. talk to me about the more significant aspect of this history. and what all of this horse trading that he has to do behind the scenes, what all of this, you know, these individual lawmakers, who are saying they're absolutely no, and that maybe couldn't change, what does this mean for the republican party that will try to legislate, to try to governed in next two years? >> such an excellent point. every concession that kevin mccarthy makes between now and

january 3rd, it likely means less power that he has as a speaker of the house to keep all of these factions in line, so that republicans can stay unified on some of the key issues that will come down the pike in the next congress. it could plene that he gives up procedural power. it could mean that more power goes to individual lawmakers and that they could blow up important pieces of legislation, or strong stances that republicans want to take as the process goes forward in the new congress. so that is a difficult balance that he finds himself with. and one of the things that nancy pelosi prided herself on, was the ability to keep her conversation in line. part of the reason she was able to do that because she created a rules package that gave her enormous power, and made it difficult for individual lawmakers to step aside. if kevin mccarthy will keep everyone on board, he may have to make some of those concessions before he even gets to the speaker's gavel. >> interestingly ryan, there's none of this drama on the democratic side. nancy pelosi is stepping down, so is much of her senior leadership, talk to me about

what we're seeing over there, and who might fill the leadership roles for the democrats. >> yes, you're exactly right about that, katy, the exact opposite on the democratic side, it seems pretty clear that hakeem jeffries, a democrat from new york city will be the next leader and behind him katherine park, from massachusetts and pete aguilar the conference chair, they will have the conference unified and at least be able to hold up to the leadership positions and when we get to the legislating part, that may be more difficult to keep things in line but for the most part the leadership battle is over. >> ryan nobles, thank you very much. coming up, take a look at this image right here, something about this has made iran so mad that they've called for fifa to expel the u.s. men's national soccer team from the world cup. we'll explain why and tell you what fifa has said. at fifa has d

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team to be kicked out of the tournament for quote violation of fifa rules. at issue, social media posts from the u.s. soccer fed cation that erased the islamic republic emblem from the iranian flag. they removed the symbol for a show of support for the women in iran protesting for their rights after the death of mahsaamini more than two months ago, the state department says the move was not okayed by the u.s. government. joining me now from doha qatar, is nbc's meagan fitzgerald. why is that against the rules, according to iran? >> reporter: you know, that's what we have been spending much of the day trying to figure out. we combed through fif's rule book on guidance around that and what we found is that there are rules, as it relates to behavior inside the stadium, but outside of the stadium, you know, it is still unclear as to what fifa could do, what rule they may

have violated if any at all. we reached out to fifa for a comment to try to get a better understanding of next steps here and they have not gotten back to us. look, we have been talking to team usa. they say they were completely caught offguard. they were blind-sided and didn't know what the u.s. soccer federation was doing. but they wanted to use the opportunity to reiterate their support for the iranian women who are fighting for their basic human rights. they went on to say that they stand for all human rights, for women's rights, but look, you know, fans have been paying attention to what is happening on the pitch as much as they're paying attention to what is happening off the pitch and i want you to listen to a little bit of what they had to say. >> i want to be no wars, no protests, and i'm of course, for human rights and for women's rights, but here, i'm all for the matches. >> and this is where they're really good at it, not only in football but in politics and other issues as well. so maybe they try to put, like

mental pressure on iranian team. >> it is all pre-game hype. i don't think it will affect the play on the field at all. >> reporter: so listen, team usa certainly is standing in solidarity with iran, empathizing with the people and they are focused on getting a win tomorrow when they take the field against iran tomorrow evening. if they get that win, they will be able to advance to the knockout round. if not, they'll be heading home. >> the team has protested itself, not singing the iranian national anthem for their first match in support of mahs amini, and the protests there. thank you very much, meagan fitzgerald. the wind may have beat you at the beginning of this hit, but you won in the end, my friend. thank you. what is going to do it for me today. i think she got the joke. i think it's coming over, there's a delay and she's laughing about it now. that will do it for me today. hallie jackson picks up our coverage next. today hallie jackson picks up our

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