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sitting at his own dinner table at supposedly secure mar-a-lago, you know, where all those stolen top secret documents were kept. >> plus, he ldz he wanted to debate me, now herschel walker is ghosting me. where should we have that debate, hearsal? at the home you claim is your residence in georgia, or at the house in texas where you really live? >> we begin with breaking news from a federal courthouse in washington, d.c. where a jury has found oath keepers founder elmer stewart rhodes guilty of seditious conspiracy in connection with the january 6th attack on the u.s. capitol. this is the highest profile case resulting from the insurrection. rhodes is one of five members of the far right extremist group who have been facing numerous charges in the nearly two-month-long trial. while only rhodes and another member kelly megs were found guilty of seditious conspiracy, all five were found guilty on a number of different charges. including conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding,

obstruction of an official proceeding and aiding and abetting. and conspiracy to prevent an officer from discharging their duties. as "the new york times" points out, seditious conspiracy is the most serious charge brought so far in any of the 900 criminal cases stemming from the vast investigation of the capitol attack. an inquiry that could still result in scores if not hundreds of additional arrests. charges upon which these gentlemen were convicted today carries a maximum penalty of 20 years in prison. this was a major test for the justice department's sprawling investigation into the attempts to keep donald trump in the white house at all costs. joining me now is nbc news justice reporter ryan riley. you have been following this trial day to day. it seems to me that these two highest profile convictions of kelly megs and elmer, who calls himself stewart rhodes, they matter a whole lot, especially since they both testified in

their own defense. talk a little bit about sort of how the trial played out. >> sure, so i think it's a very -- obviously, it's the biggest charge we have seen thus far. one thing that we have seen an ongoing theme in these january 6th cases where we have seen a lot of attacks on d.c. jurors suggesting they're too biased to be able to evaluate these charges. what we have seen in this case and other recent cases is d.c. jurors are taking these cases extremely seriously and taking their duty seriously. they didn't just give the government everything they wanted here. they looked at these charges closely, evaluated them, and i think the gives a lot of credibility when you have a mixed verdict like this in terms of the, you know, the integrity of that verdict and the true guilt of the individuals who were found guilty of this very serious charge that the government is seeking here. ultimately, frankly, because all of them were convicted of this obstruction of justice charge, that has the same criminal

exposure as seditious conspiracy. it's just that seditious conspiracy is a more serious charge and carries more emotional weight and has been brought very infrequently in american history. dating back to the civil war is when it came about. to have stewart rhodes and kelly megs convicted of seditious conspiracy is definitely one for the history books here and a significant notch i think on doj's belt in terms of the convictions they have secured thus far. >> and i think the other thing that's important here is that stewart rhodes -- we'll call him stewart rhodes -- and kelly megs, that was sort of the florida leader of that part of the attempts to keep donald trump in power. obviously, stewart rhodes was kind of the overall big picture leader. they weren't people who busted into the capitol. the other people had varying degrees of responsibility. but i'm noticing that three of them, kenneth harrelson, jessica

watkins, and thomas caldwell, all of whom are military veterans, they were not convicted on the seditious conspiracy charges. was there a difference in the way the government was approaching their portion of the trial? >> i think that kelly megs and stewart rhodes had some of the most violent rhetoric and especially in terms of preplanning and talking about violence ahead of january 6th, and then especially with stewart rhodes after january 6th. is where we sort of saw the most evidence that i think differentiates them from the three individuals who were found not guilty. stewart rhodes didn't go inside the capitol, but he did in fact talk about how he wished they had brought guns that day and how he wishes he had strung up nancy pelosi from a lamp post on january 6th. and that was a secret recording that was made after the january 6th attack. so a lot of that violent rhetoric was really what differentiating those who were found guilty of seditious conspiracy from those who weren't. >> thank you very much. >> joining me is congressman

jamie raskin of maryland, a member of the january 6th select committee. thank you so much for being here. i want to get back through some of the evidence that we have seen during the january 6th hearings that i think is really important and makes this case really important. going back, "washington post" reported that four days after the january 6th insurrection, rhodes was recorded trying to tell donald trump that it was not too late to use paramilitary groups to stay in power by force, but expressed regret about not bringing guns and doing it himself, saying if he's not going to do the right thing and he's just going to let himself be removed illegally, we should have brought rifles. we should have fixed it then and there. i would hang f'ing pelosi from the lamp post, and messages between kelly megs and stewart rhodes in late december about january 6th. one said we're thinking this is the plan. he, meaning trump, wants us to get s kicked off. post two about what trump tweeted about, it's going to be

wild. it's going to be wild. he wants us to make it wild. he called us to the capitol and he wants us to make it wild. sir, yes, sir. gentlemen, we're heading to d.c. pack your s. in your view, do these convictions, particularly of these two, kelly megs and elmer stewart rhodes, push us closer to a potential indictment of the man they did it for, donald trump? >> well, seditious conspeary means conspiracy to overthrow or put down the government of the united states. and there were significant elements that were part of the vanguard of the mob who stormed our window said and assaulted our officers who clearly were set upon the goal that donald trump had outlined of stopping the steal, in other words, interfering with the federal function of counting electoral college votes, and then storming the capitol to drive the house, the senate, and the vice president out of the chambers and out of the legitimate

process and replacing it with something else that would lead to donald trump seizing the presidency. so i think that the oath keepers were just one element of the insurrectionary forces that were unleashed on that day. the way to think about the insurrectionary and coup like activities taking place were that they were a mega offense against american constitutional democracy and there were all of these discreet individual criminal offenses committed by these hundreds and hundreds of people who are being prosecuted. many of whom are pleading guilty and others who are being convicted and some of whom are being acquitted. all of which demonstrates that the american system of justice is working, and these are fine-grained subtle decisions that a jury of their peers is making. >> i mean, the reason i ask about trump is that, you know, this is enrique tarrio and

stewart rhodes together, so let's look at this. this is three for my director. we know that if we're talking about seditious conspiracy, you had the proud boys who donald trump had previously said stand back and stand by. they immediately respond on social media saying sir, yes, sir, we're standing back and standing by. then you have the paramilitary oath keepers and three percenters. these groups are meeting in advance. you still have not had the trials of enrique tarrio and the proud boys. this suggests to me that they might be in some trouble if they were able to prove this very difficult charge of seditious conspiracy. but can you have a seditious conspiracy to overthrow the government on behalf of a particular president and have that president not be both the beneficiary and a part of the conspiracy? >> well, there's no doubt that he was the beneficiary, and if he were part of that specific conspiracy involving the oath

keepers and stewart rhodes, then he would need to be prosecuted for those charges. what the january 6th committee found is that his tweet calling everybody to washington at exactly the time, place, and date that congress was meeting in joint session to count the electoral college votes was the tweet heard around the right wing internet, and that mobilized and catalyzed all of these groups into action. so there's no doubt in my mind that that call to action was what led to the proud boys and the oath keepers and the other domestic violent extremist groups mobilizing for that day. that's different, though, from saying that he was part of that particular conspiracy. and if he was part of particular criminal conspiracies, that case would have to be made against him, that there was a meeting of

the minds between him and other coconspirators and they took an overact to advance the conspiracy. i believe that there has been a lot of evidence deduced through a bunch of these hearings that would suggest there is sufficient evidence to prosecute donald trump for that, but that's just my own take on it. and obviously, this is up to the department of justice and the executive branch at this point. but people should turn over all of the evidence they have gotten. people should come forward to testify about what they know. i'm glad the january 6th committee has been part of that process of surfacing all of the evidence. >> we know that tony ornato testified before the january 6th committee, that you all are putting all these puzzle pieces together. i guess i stick with this because you have donald trump insisting that he wanted to march to the capitol. he clearly understood that something was going to happen at the capitol, that per what we have heard in the january 6th

hearings, he wanted to be a part of. he wanted to be a part of a certain spectacle. we knew he called these folks. you know what january 6th is, the significance of it, because you're constitutional scholar and an expert. i'm a nerd so i know what it is. most americans never really tached much importance to this date. it's not like a commonly known date like january 20th is, the inauguration date. the fact he educated people as to this date being important, and the fact that he produced this kind of response. here is stewart rhodes himself talking about trump's sort of vision and what he believed trump wanted to see. this is cut four. play this, please. >> he nodes to know from you that you are with him, that he does not do it now while he's commander in chief, we're going to have to do it ourselves later in a much more desperate, much moyer bloody war. let's get it on now while he is still the commander in chief.

>> cnn just said that they evacuated all members of congress into a safety room. >> there's no safe place in the united states for any of these [ bleep ] right now. let me tell you. >> if they understand that we are not joking around. >> military principle 105. military principle 105. cave means grave. >> trump just tweeted, please support our capitol police. they are on our side. do not harm them. >> that's saying a lot, but what he didn't say, he didn't say not to do anything to the congressmen. >> and you are very familiar with that. that was recordings of stewart rhodes, the first clip we saw. the second bit was various oath keepers talking on their own radios on that day. so i guess my sort of out row question to you is, does the conviction of these men, all

five on some charges, two on seditious conspiracies, coming trials for more members of what we now understand to have been a seditious conspiracy to overthrow the government, to overturn an election, make it more likely in your opinion that the january 6th committee, when you finish your work at the end of this year, will send over your recommendations that the justice department go forward with this prosecution. i know there's a special counsel, but is that what you think the january 6th committee will recommend? >> well, let me just say that, you know, in our system of justice, the determined guilt of defendants in a particular case does not imply the guilt of defendants in another case. and you know, people are obviously impatient for justice because it's such an outrageous assault on the american system of government and our constitutional democracy, but each of these defendants, including potentially donald

trump, if he is indicted and prosecuted, gets to put on their own defense, and the government must sustain the burden of proving beyond a reasonable doubt that every element of the offense has been met, which is what the government had to show in the oath keepers case. but just to go back to the point that you made before. donald trump, from the standpoint of democracy, set all of these events into motion. the groups that were planning to protest biden were calling for protests either on january 20th, the day of inauguration, or after january 20th, when i think the women for america first group had gotten its permits. and then, trump and his forces got everybody to move the protests up to january 6th, at 1:00 p.m., at the capitol, and that's when he began to mobilize

everybody's attention directly on the capitol to stop the steal. in other words, to go in and to interfere with the counting of electoral college votes, which of course is what happened. and it was preceded by all of his statements about how you have got to fight like hell. if you don't fight like hell, you're not going to have a country anymore. when there's fraud involved, they're completely different rules. and so on. so all of that led to both a majority in the house and a majority in the senate finding that donald trump had incited an insurrection against the government of the united states. so i guess in answer to your question i would say congress has already determined that there was incitement to an insurrection, which took place here. and now there are criminal convictions of people for seditious conspiracy, for conspiracy to overthrow the government. it doesn't prove anything in advance about other cases but it certainly demonstrates the character and the magnitude of the violence that rains down upon us on january 6th. >> i would love to have you

back. i love talking constitution with you. i would love to have a conversation about whether or not the 14th amendment clause ought to be used because this man is attempting to regain the presidency, and even if he just did this, as you said, and he's not convicted of a crime in relation to it, the idea of him being president of the united states again should put the chill in everyone's bones. congressman jamie raskin, thank you very much. always appreciate you. >> up next on "the reidout," the man who wants to be speaker is still making excuses for the guy we were just talking about, trump. because you know, trump had no idea he was having dinner with a prominent white supremacist. he got duped. "the reidout" continues after this. it immediately feels like somebody's poking directly on the nerve. i recommend sensodyne. sensodyne toothpaste goes inside the tooth and calms the nerve down. and my patents say: “you know doc, it really works." ♪ kevin!

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a handful of republicans have spoken out about donald trump's mar-a-lago dinner guest, the outspoken anti-semite and white supremacist nick fuentes. they have either condemned trump outright or made the statement, anti-semitism is bad. while avoiding any mention of trump himself. but the most important response came from republican house leader kevin mccarthy whose response is very telling of what his party is willing to overlook. >> i don't think anybody should be spending any time with nick fuentes. president trump came out four times and condemned him and didn't know who he was. >> he just said he didn't know who he was. he didn't condemn him or his ideology. >> i condemn his ideology.

>> the whole i didn't know who he was bit. a form of republican gaslighting, the same tactic made by marjorie taylor greene when she spoke ought the nick fuentes white supremacy prom. she spoke at his conference and joined him on stage before he called young white men their secret sauce. >> you know who marjorie does know? her former intern, milo yiannopoulos, remember him, the misogynist transphobic, steve bannon gave him a platform when hire yean opilous. he kind of disappeared and the world moved on. well, guess what. milo is back. a source told nbc news that the entire dinner was an elaborate

scheme orchestrated by him. he is anti-trump and an adviser to ye, told nbc news, quote, i wanted to send a message to trump that he has systematically ignored the people who love him the most, the people who put him in office, and that kind of behavior comes back to bite you in the end. it appears trump, the bully, the heckler, the harasser, the troll, finally got trolled. he should have seen this coming. it was trump, after all, who brought this toxic gross trolling back into conservative politics. the internet mob mentality and abuse campaigns that are now the republican norm. fuentes, ye, they have one purpose, getting trump back to this base. even better, getting a seat at the dinner table. joining me now, msnbc political analyst and former senator claire mccaskill and kurt bardella, democratic strategist and former spokesman for the house oversight committee and someone who knows these people. i'm going to call upon you. you hate to go back there.

>> don't bring me back there, joy. >> i remember milo yiannopoulos because this was the time when twitter was the worst. it was the worst of the worst. this was the meme era, when you first saw pepe the nazi frog memes. he was a supertroll. he ended up attacking a brilliant comedian from nbc news and getting bounced off twitter. but he only was set aside by breitbart at all after the, you know, saying pedophilia was okay. but then milo pops back up. he becomes marjorie taylor greene, ironically, her intern, even though she's qanon, against pedophilia. in your view, isn't this just a return to that era, like around that 2012 to 2015 era when the social media kind of memology world and attack world was ascendant and they loved trump? >> in a lot of ways people like milo are kind of the ogs of the twitter trolls and of this new form of hate speech that

manifests itself across social media. and it's not an accident that all of this came at a time when hao was the president? the first black president in the country. that's not an accident. that's by design. through the figures that have emerged in today's republican party, they see these people as a vessel for them to return to prominence because it's not that their views are so out of line with the republican party. it's now the republican party has moved and embraced openly these what used to be called extreme, fringe, you know, perspectives that would get you kicked out of the club. now they see a way back. the fact that someone like milo could be in a position to set up a meal with the former president of the united states at a place where the guy kept classified documents should terrify just about everybody. >> it isn't surprising to me that donald trump met with

fuentes, because number one, he was there with a excellent, kanye west, now known as ye. so trump is easy to get at that way. also, the things that fuentes fundamentally says, i have never heard trump refute them. i have never heard kevin mccarthy or any of them really denounce them because the truth of the matter is, he represents part of their base. and you have worked with some of these senators who i don't know if behind the scenes they have admitted to you, they had to make compromises in their moral fiber and accept some of this neo naziism and fascism and this gross meme stuff because they think it's the only way to win. >> well, i think what we saw today with kevin mccarthy is exhibit a when someone is so desperate for power. they set aside all of their moral character. yes, mccarthy said fuentes was a bad guy, but then he proceeded to lie, out and out lie. lying has become the norm now. because trump kind of patented

it in the white house. he showed everyone you can lie and still have political success. so he lied to say that trump had denounced him. trump has never denounced these folks, ever. he told them to stand back and stand by. he's claimed ignorance, because he's so smart, then the minute he wants to play dumb l of his followers go, oh, he didn't know any better. you look at marjorie taylor greene. this is a woman who went to the conference, so did gosar, and what is mccarthy doing right now? mccarthy is killing himself to try to please those two so he can hold on to the bare number of votes he must have to become speaker of the house. it is a sad, sad commentary on where the republican party is right now. >> let me play a little bit for those who haven't heard enough of him, this is what fuentes sounds like. >> when you look at thesis things like abortion, it's

popular. people like abortion. hate it. but it's true. and you can thank the jewish media for that. abortion is popular, sodomy is popular. being gay is popular. being a feminist is popular. sex out of wedlock is popular. contraceptives, it's all popular. that's not to say it's good. that's not to say i like that. popular means the people support it, which they do. and it sucks and it is what it is, but that's why we need dictatorship. that's unironically, why we need to get rid of all that. we need to take control of the media, take control of the government, and force the people to believe what we believe. >> you had some people come out and say that's horrible. you know, and say he's a terrible person. they don't want to talk about trump. they say but trump's not an anti-semite. trump is not a bad guy, he shouldn't have had him at the table. but the problem is the rest of what fuentes just said, to me, that doesn't sound any different than fundamentally what the party platform is. they don't believe in elections.

they don't necessarily like the idea of democracy. mike lee said democracy is a bad idea. they don't like the idea of women controlling their bodies. they clearly wouldn't mind having a dictator because they don't think that elections matter. they think they should just decide who the president of the united states is. they hate the culture. they're angry that the culture is too friendly to lgbtq people. i just -- i see a very small degree of difference between what he believes and what they believe. >> i think this is the reason why you have seen for days now republicans kind of tripping over themselves trying to figure out, how do we talk about this? how do we talk about this in a way that doesn't scare away the base of people that represent really their core constituency at this point. the republican party is a white party and they traffic in white nationalistic policys and that's been the case, we have to go back to charlottesville and very fine people on both sides. it's not shocking that donald trump hasn't come up with any vocabulary about thas that doesn't make sense. it's not shocking republicans are doing everything they can to

avoid criticizing donald trump, can i seem to remember them, the republican party, making president barack obama have to answer for words that were said in his preference by reverend wright and making it all about obama and he's responsible and he should be held accountable, millions of dollars in ads about it. yet when it comes to donald trump and a guy he had dinner with at his dinner table in his home, they want to give him a free pass. all of a sudden he's a dumb guy who doesn't know anything, who doesn't have access to a google machine. claire knows this too. you don't accept invitations when you're at that level without knowing who they are. your staff vets these things. you don't speak at something and go to a conference and not have your staff tell you what it is and what you're doing. the ignorance claim here is laughable and just completely unbelievable. >> i think you could agree on that, claire. a former president, you can't go have dinner with them and they don't know who you are. i have to go back, and i hate to harp on it. forget donald trump for a

moment, this is a party, their main stream politicians are banning books about the holocaust. their mainstream supposedly politicians are banning books by black sx lgbtq authors. their mainstream politicians are suing disney because they don't like the fact that disney makes films with too many gay people in them, and they don't like it. don't say gay is the policy in a mainstream republican's state that he runs. they're banning protests. this is my challenge, claire. this kid is an idiot who an idiot nazi who does a show in its parents' basement. the problem is the supposedly better republicans are doing the stuff i just mentioned and they get called mainstream just because their name isn't trump. >> well, i think it's a fair point. i think you can look no further than the vote today on the senate floor, where you had the majority of the republicans vote

against a bill that was loaded down with protection for religion and religious differences on the subject of marital equality, but it stood for an important principle, and that is marriage, legal marriage should be recognized in every state in the union. it was a really frankly not a bold step. it is something that the vast majority of americans agree with, but the majority of the elected republicans in the senate rejected it. only 12 voted for it, and the majority of them are retiring. so it is really fair, i think, to say that the culture wars have become the main attraction in the republican party. not policy, not how big should the government be or what tax policies should be or even what foreign policy should be, but rather culture wars. i don't think most americans think that's what this should all be about, and i think in the long run, they're going to pay a price for it. >> in the end, if you're making it illegal to teach about the

holocaust without telling the other side or the other side of slavery, don't sit there and get mad at trump for eating with the nazi. because maybe you ought to look at your own policies and talk to the man and the woman in the mirror. that's all i'm saying. former senator claire mccaskill and kurt bardella, thank you very much. >> up next, the georgia runoff is testing the republicans' willingness to go along with myths and lies and ignore basic truths like the fact that hearse herschel walker isn't really qualified and by the way, doesn't even live in georgia. you can't make it up. "the reidout" continues after this. love you. have a good day, behave yourself. like she goes to work at three in the afternoon and sometimes gets off at midnight. she works a lot, a whole lot. we don't get to eat in the early morning. we just wait till we get to the school. so, yeah.

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. to understand what republicans believe qualifies georgia senate candidate herschel walker, let's go back to this time 40 years ago. >> now at the university of georgia, walker has combined the speed of a world class sprinter and the power of a runaway beer truck to trample opponents. >> herschel just went 60 yards. >> walker is from rural georgia where every day as a youngster, he ran four miles to build speed and endurance. >> it seems like that might be the last time herschel walker actually lived in georgia. it is a known fact that walker was living in texas when donald trump tapped him to run for the senate from georgia. and only registered to vote there last year. but walker has claimed to have

had a residence in the state of his birth for the last 17 years. as the daily beast reports, however, walker only recently stopped renting out that residence, according to fulton county tax and property records, the home is solely owned by walker's wife, julie blanchard. defining the asset as georgia residence. adding, the rental income which was earned between 2020 and 2021 suggested the walkers had not only not been living in georgia before his campaign, but hadn't used the home for anything but a passive cash stream. and in addition to that, tax records in texas show walker received a tax break on his $3 million home there, claiming it as his primary residence. you would think living in texas while running to represent georgia in the senate would be a problem. but for the maga republican party, we just know that the lies, they don't matter. it didn't matter to republican voters when mehmet oz whose

luxurious home is in new jersey, ran for senate in pennsylvania. and it didn't matter to republican voters when san francisco venture capitalist jd vance decided to once again cash in on his so-called hillbilly elegy ohio roots to run there. it also didn't matter to republicans when it turned out herschel walker had multiple undisclosed children in texas, or he probably would have had more except for all those abortions he allegedly paid for, but i digress. in the meanwhile, georgians continue to shatter early voting records, shattering the all-time daily turnout record on monday when officials say an astounding 301,000 voters cast their ballots. joining me is jason johnson, professor of journalism and politics at morgan state university and host of the slate podcast, a word with jason johnson. and jason, look, i get it. people -- i go back and forth from new york to the dmv because my kids live in harlem.

but you can only really claim to live in one state and run in one state. what do you make of the fact that his state is texas? >> i will say as a universal, the old fashioned term, it's carpet bagger. i don't like people who just move into a state to run. i want you to have two or three years. to be fair, i didn't like it when hillary clinton decided she was doing to run in new york. i was like, what's your real connection there? this is a legitimate thing i dislike politically, but objectively speaking, i don't think herschel walker has been there that long. i need a picture of him at like ponce de leon avenue in 2015. some indicator, a picture of him at varsity, which real atlantans don't go to anymore, but some indicator he's had a life in the state of georgia, and here's the thing. it's one thing to sort of hop and play residences when you're trying to run for office, but when you're getting tax breaks in another location in another state, that is a problem. i wish, joy, that this would

make a difference, but i promise you the kind of people who don't have a problem with someone being incohere nlt, naupt knowing how many children they have, and abuse of women are not going to care about tax fraud two weeks before an election. >> this is what really gets me, though. it's not just the cheating, it's the stupidity, the inability to cover it up properly. this is a speech, and i'm going to credit cnn with this. this is a speech that herschel walker gave in january of this year. okay, he knew what his political plans were. here's how he opened the speech. i live in texas. i live in texas, he said while speaking at the university of georgia college republicans. he was criticizing democrats for not visiting the border. he said i went down to the border off and on sometimes. he decided to run for the georgia senate seat while at his texas home while seeing the country divided. everyone asks why i decided to run for the senate seat.

to be honest, this is not something i ever, ever, ever thought in my life i would do. that's the honest truth. as i was sitting in my home in texas, this is what he said, i was sitting in my home in texas and seeing what was going on in this country. this guy was not even bright enough to not say i live in texas. they think he's bright enough to be a senator. >> here's another one joy, that's not the dumbest thing he said, right? that's not the dumbest thing he said. it's deeper than just talking about good and bad air. i'm still trying to comp herend his fan fiction twilight explanation of whether he wants to be a vampire or a werewolf, which is a latest ad from the warnock campaign. the most distressing thing i have seen in the state of georgia right now, and throughout the election next week, is not that i think that the guy is probably going to lose. it's that there are millions of people in that state who actually think someone who is

this dumb, and i will say objectively dumb, objectively not capable of doing the job, would be their better representative. there are 50 million maga republicans in the state of georgia who could do a better job of representing constituents than this person. yet for some reason, fife00 zillion dollars have been spent, half of which by the republican party, to put this incompetent person in the senate. >> isn't the reason for that and the reason lindsey graham likes him, is unlike tim scott, he would never try to make legislation. you saw what lindsey graham did to tim scott when he tried to do policing reform. they squashed him like a bug. they want a person who will simply say, yes, sir, what would you like to me to do, sir, and won't even try to stand up for himself. that's what they want. >> yeah, and joy, here's the thing. it's one thing to get a rubber stamp on maga legislation, but i think to say that herschel

walker is a rubber stamp would be too complimentary. rubber is malleable, and you can do something like it. he's lake a door stop, like a brick door stop. i wouldn't trust him to vote the right way, to be honest. i don't know that he would be able to read the legislation enough to say yes or no unless they allow thumbprints that have been stuck in ketchup. again, the fact that anybody would want to vote for this man is shocking to me. >> yeah, and georgia is better than that. by the way, herschel, we're still waiting for you to call me back. you said you wanted to debate me. i ain't running against you. call us back because i want to do this debate. i said yes already. take yes for anwr. >> up next on "the reidout," the u.s. advance to the knockout round in the world cup after a tense match against iran. stay with us. it's fineeeeeeee! ugh! advil dual action fights pain two ways.

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has been gripped by unrelenting anti government demonstrations. hundreds of thousands of iranians have taken to the streets to demand greater freedom for women and regime change in the wake of the death of 22 year old, mahsa amini. these protests have prompted violent crackdowns at the hands of the iranian revolutionary guard, which have led to global condemnation. the iranian hard-line president accused president, joe biden, of inciting chaos, terror, and the destruction of another country because he expressed support for the protesters and called, he called america the

great satan. amid this political turmoil, too old foes met on the soccer pitch. there was tremendous pressure on both teams, after 99 excruciating lease restful and protect particularly physical minutes, the united states sent iran home. it is unclear whether it's always someone to get back to run. kurt -- a senior fellow at the carnegie and -- international peace. i'm so glad you're here. what do you think is awaiting them when the team gets home? >> i think certainly these players were under tremendous pressure, but as you alluded to, there's been national protests happening in iran the last three months. over 18,000 people arrested, nearly 500 killed. and i don't think the players really distinguish themselves in their courage, the way that a lot of these protesters in iran have distinguished themselves, especially these women who have taken to the streets, removed their head scarves, and there have actually been prominent female athletes who have removed their head scarves.

so, i think the players, in some ways, didn't rise to the expectations that many iranians had. >> so, we knew that they would be told they had to behave, the team captain -- offered condolences to families of a nine year old who was killed. a swedish born midfielder named simon -- spoke out in favor of the protesters. there have been some things and the government has threatened them. do you think that the reason they haven't done more is they're afraid that the families will be hurt? >> that was one of the threats that was reported, that their families had been threatened, probably their assets have been, you know, threatened as well. these are historic times in iran and iran is a soccer fanatic nation. and i think there was a hope among many who viewed these players as heroes, that they would do even more to be the voice of a nation. and as i said, i think there was a historic opportunity for

some of these players to rise to the occasion. i don't think that the shame themselves, nor that they really distinguished themselves the way that a lot of iranians hoped they would. there are these reports that people in iran were cheering for the americans, is that true? >> there are actually videos out in many cities throughout iran of the country celebrating americas victory, letting off fireworks when the united states scored. what the islamic republic of iran was hoping for was a propaganda victory against their arch nemesis, the united states. and it is really embarrassing for the regime that you have thousands of iranians now celebrating americas victory against the national soccer team. >> we were talking in the break, this does remind me of the -- watching when the old soviet union used to exist and used to wonder, you know, are folks going to protest? might they defect? there's a sense that the old scriptures, of the soviet union, were falling, way that the regime was crumbling. where does this and? because it feels like these

protests, this is the green revolution. this is deeper. >> i think this is the most consequential civil rights movement in the world today. the results will not be felt just in tehran if this movement 60s. it will be felt globally, and i think there is a very clear dividing line of, you know, young, modern society that wants wholesale change and again, they were hoping that the national soccer team would be very firmly on their side. and it wasn't the way they hoped it would be. >> the thing is, is there more that you think they might do? i mean, they still have time. they have not returned yet. what do you expect that they will make some other statement or that something else will happen? >> so, the two most famous soccer players in modern iranian history -- and -- they are kind of like the lebron james and michael jordan of iranian sports. -- is an exile. he's received death threats and he dies inside the country, could be arrested at anytime.

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