the railroad industry made 21 billion dollars in profits, provided $25 million in stock buybacks and dividends, and they are paying their ceos, in some cases, 14 million a year, 10 million a year, 20 billion a year, whatever it may be. meanwhile, for workers on the railroads, they have zero, underlined, zero guaranteed sick leave. >> here's the story. the reason for it is, in order to increase their profits, over the last six years, chris, they have discharged, and reduce their workforce by 30%. they don't have many workers. you make more money that way when you put unbelievable pressure on your employees. >> there's lots of vital things like emergency rooms, for example, that fire departments, they're able to manage people calling in sick. it seems like we can figure this out for the railroads as well. senator bernie sanders, thank you very much. >> thank you. >> that is all in on this tuesday night, alex wagner tonight starts right now. good evening, alex. senator bernie san >>de thank you. that is "all in" on this tuesday night. "alex wagner tonight" starts right now. good evening. >> oh, chris, that railroad

strike is, complicated. >> like the senator said, they've been staffing ta reductions, that's helped their bottom line. it does seem like there's a lot of really logistical companies that have sick days. d >> yeah. companies make choices about how they want to make their profits. >> i think, i think we can figure this out. >> thanks my friend at home for joining us this hour. the last timejo this happened w in octobere of 1995. ten defendants spent eight months onnd trial in a manhatta courtroom accused of conspiring to levy a war of urban terrorism against the united states. there was an outburst from one of the two american defendants when the jury finally announced its verdict. >> police were all over the manhattan federal courthouse as the largest terrorism trial in u.s.t history ended after one week of deliberations. the jurors known only by number found blind muslim sheikh and

nine of his followers guilty of seditious conspiracy to wage a war of urban terrorism to pressure the u.s. to change its middle east policy. with the sheikh of the spiritual leader, the terrorist plot includedpl bombing five new yor landmarks withinw a 12-square mile area within ten minutes. the sheikh and el sayid face life in prison without parole. >> ten people were found guilty of seditious conspiracy against the american government in that trial. seditious conspiracy is a big charge. it is an old one. it dates back to the civil war era. the statute defines it this way. if two or more persons conspire to overthrow, put down or destroy by force, the government of the united states or to levy war against it or to oppose by force the authority thereof or

by force to prevent, delay the exclusion of any law of the united states, those convicted can faceit up to 20 years in prison. itis rare to see this charge ch filed. it is even more rare to get an actual conviction. it's the last conspiracy case that ended in conviction. that is why it was such a big deal in january when the justice department charged 11 members of aof far right militia group cald the oath keepers including their leader, a man named stewart rhodes, when they charged women with seditious conspiracy. and they argued that they tried to stop the democrat eck transfer ofe power january 6tho oppose american laws governing our democracy by force. two of the 11 pleaded guilty, and they're cooperating with the u.s. opgovernment. fours. of the 11 face trials starting nextac week, leaving t five defendants whose fates were announced today. during the weeks of this trial,

the arguments were those five concocted a plan to shatter american bed rook of democracy. prosecutors argued that they plotted depend president biden because they didn'tte like the 2020 results. the jury was told that rhodes tries to desperately get in touch with them to seize voting machines and invoke the insurrection act to stay in t power. in a letter to trump, rhodes wrote, if you fail to act while you are stillo in office, we t people will have to fight a bloody war against these two illegitimate chinese puppets. the puppets he seemed to be referring to was president biden and vice president kamala harris. earlier this month, rhodes testified in his own defense, in discussing his hope for trump's insurrection act, he claimed that anti-fascists and wanted to

make sure that they protect the white house. and text messages of rhodes telling his followers to prepare for civil war. quote, trump needs to go for it and do hisgo duty. he h should do it now but if he does wait until january 6, he should still do it, and we need to, be ready to support him 10 and then some. we will then be in a bulgts civil war.e more of the military will side with biden because the traitor generals will say they made it official biden is president. trump will have two weeks to seize the evidence of treason and doce the massive data dump show all americans, and especially the memilitary, who a traitor from top to bottom, be ready to roll in any way we are needed. get your affairs in order and get yourself and your gear squared away. prosecutors said that rhodes who never entered the capitol himself, he was within touch

within minutes. until oath keepers started getting arrested for their roles in january 6. in closing arguments last week, one of the prosecution's lead officers a man named jeffrey necessaryler said they claim to saving the republic but they fractured it instead. today, the jury returned a verdict, they found stewart rhodes and another man, kelly meggs, found them both guilty of seditious conspiracy. they acquitted rhodes. and they found three others not guilty of seditious. they split a verdict in the 900 plus criminal prosecutions of january 6th insurrectionists. rhodes lawyers say they will appeal. but as it stands, rhodes may face up to 20 years in prison. this is a big moment in our country's history. it is the first time in 27 years that we have seen a successful

sedition prosecution. and it's beenss 68 years since we've seen americans convicted of sedition. four more members of the oath keepers go to trial on similar charges. and in just a few more weeks, another jury will have another chance to weigh in on the question of whether a different group is also guilty of sedition for january 6. while we await that trial, the jury made it clear what happened on january 6 was a violent act against the united states of america,un not as the rnc once called it legitimate political discourse. those involved in orchestrating it, people like stewart rhodes, they've now found guilty of run ofw the rarest charges our country levies. all of this casts a fix of january 6 insurrectionists in a slightly different light. >> you can call it insurrection. by and large, it was peaceful protest. >> i thought everybody in the country bears some

responsibility. based on what's going on, the riots, the streets, the others. >> we're actually going to walk the grounds that patriotic americans had no intent of breaking the lawan or violence. >> i also asked him if we can supportif investigations under e treatment of pretrial january 6th defendants. that's something that's also very important. people that walked in the capitol andt have been held in jail for nearly two years, while anti-fem/blm rye ioters go freed never have been held accountable. >> they found that incidents of domestic terrorism has increased overri the past two decades and that increase, quote, has been predominantly prepare traited by white supremacists and anti-government extremists and groups. so, as you hear reporting about kanye west telling president trump to free january 6th

defendants people who carried confederate flags to the capitol and erected gallows and a noose outside. while people try to pay january 6 of defendants legal fees, while all of that news is swirling, it is important to remember this verdict today. and what ithi tells us about th threats that america faces from the white supremacist anti-government groups that are will fog support the former president by force. joining us now is congressman adam schiff, democrat of california, a member of the january 6th committee as well as the chairman of the house intelligence committee. congressman thank you so much foren being here tonight, on a really important night for americanor democracy. i wonder if you think we are finally going to be able to reframe january 6 for what it was, courtesy of these guilty verdicts this evening? >> i think these guilty verdict s can be accepted. i thinkcc up to this point, the

january 6th committee also played ae very important role establishing what took place, that this was a concerted plot, to deter the peaceful transfer of d power. tonight, a dramatic exclamation point. a bigc victory for the justice department, a big victory for justice of the american people could be convicted using force tosi overthrow the government, interfere with the lawful functions of the government. as youl pointed out it's very rare, it's a very serious charge. and it will have other repercussions beyond the public impression. and that is -- as you point out, there's another trial coming up, another couple trials, one that includes a different white nationalist and violent group. and the defendants in that case -- they may be thinking, you know, perhaps we ought to plead guilty considering how this trial went. so big impacts here. there may be more people willing to cooperate in light of this jury decision. >> what do you think the implications are for president

trump and his potential culpability for january 6? given the fact that people who were in touch with adversaries, if you will, have now been charged and been found guilty of conspiracy? >> well, it shows the department's nott afraid to brg some of the most serious charges. now, they've got to look at, okay, who was involved in inciting, inspiring, giving aid and comfort to those involved in the seditious conspiracy. so, i think it has consequences going up the ladder of responsibility. but i also think that the former president has got to be very concerned about other statutes that apply to these offenses. you know, like obstructing the lawful functions of the congress which these defendants were also convicted of, which a california judge has already said there's evidence against the former

president. so, youor know, finally, these e people, the president is talking about pardoning should he ever hold office again. and the idea that the president of the united states would bee dining with white nationalists after this event or before this events, or any other time, but also talking about pardoning these people who have now been convicted of conspiring to overthrow the government for us. that ought to be disqualifying for anybodyo including him. >> congressman, what of the committee work o of january 6? there was some suggestion that the committee may have information that they may not have been aware of that could change their calculus? do you have information on this that may arise in the trial of the conspiracy, of the codefendants that is changing

your calculus? >> well, we've in a certain way learned what then justice department isy doing, in the sense we watched the charge and the c indictments and we've watched the evidence. it helps to inform and fill in some of thend gaps in our knowledge. and i think, conversely, the hearings that we've held, the evidence that's been produced and when we support our report and whene we release transcrip andan other materials, they wil further help to strengthen the government's case so they've been synergistic in that i respect. in terms of whether the jury itself changes our thinking. it doesn't change our thinking as much as validate what we've been presenting to the country which is, this wasn't some spontaneous riot getting out of control. or people being swept away by emotion. no, this was a plot conducted in advancend that used force that tried to stop the peaceful transfer of power. and i think, you know, this just highlights how premeditated it

was. andte the testified that we've submitted to the public about the president's knowledge that these people werepr armed and dangerous, and, you know, as he said onas january 6th, he wante the f'ing mags taken down because they was fine with those people there with weapons because they weren't w there fo him. >> i'm anxious to see the reports of the committee when your work is done. there's been some reporting that focus is largely on president trump. given what we have with the oath keepers, their role in this, given the security apparatus and the secret service, and the sort of systemwide failures that led to january 6, what should the people be expecting from the committee in terms of the totality once the work is done? >> you know, our charter was a

broad charter, to set out the facts and circumstances that led to the violence, the reasons why the capitol law enforcement were not better prepared for what took place. you know, who was responsible, who was culpable. so, i think our reporting out to reflect what our mission was. we also got to be guided by the function of our committee which is not just to inform the country butto also to prescribe remedies to protect us going forward. and that's a broad charter. so i'm certainly urging that the report be as broad as possible. and i'm sure we will reach a consensus on that. we also want to make sure that everything is documented, that everythingdo is factual, and i think part of our success in the past has been making sure everything is nailed down, and we want to do that in the report, with it as well. >> i know that the committee was

speaking with tony ornato, he's at the center of controversy. did you hear anything from his testimony todayom conflicting wt we got from cassidy hutchinson, regarding over whether secret service would take the capitol over on january 6? >> well, as you can imagine, i can't go over the contents of his testimony. we did interview him, it was a lengthyas interview, and to sayn the report about the testimony what we find credible and what we don't findre credible and wh. and if we don't find certain testimonyn' credible, we've com to that opinion, but i'm going to let the report speak for itself when it comes out. but, you know, again, we're also going to be discussing what kind of referrals to make. and t don't want to suggest anything with respect to mr. ornato, but we're going to be reporting to the justice

departmentng things that we thi he ought to look into potentially. that's also a matter of our discussion and we are going to wrap it up very soon. we hope to put our pen down and send to the printers in the near future so we can get that to the american people. >> well, the american public, including this american public, greatly await that report. congressman schiff, a member of the january 6 committee and intelligence committee thanks so much for joining us. as always, our thoughts are witt you congressman. >> thank you. and coming up the conviction of oath keeper stewart rhodes on the charge of seditious conspiracy may have been the head line but that's not the only news. today as we just talked about trump's secret service official and his speechwriter, they were both questioned by investigators in relationship to the attack on the capitol. we'll have that in detail and more coming up next. re coming up next.

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♪♪ today's guilty verdicts of seditious conspiracy aren't just the highest profile guilty verdicts the doj has secured, they're also the most serious and rare in the department's sprawling january 6 investigation. let's take a moment to step back here and contextualize the investigation. in the nearly 23 months since the attack on the capitol, over 900 individuals have been arrested in nearly all 50 states. nearly 450 of those people have pleaded guilty to a variety of federal charges. roughly 300 have been charged with corruptly obstructing, influencing or impeding an official proceeding or attempting to do so. and today, we get to add five to

that statistic now. as the five oath keepers were found guilty of obstruction of an official proceeding. "the new york times" appropriately reminds us that today's guilty verdict is the first time in related 20 trials related to the capitol attack that a jury decided the violence that erupted on january 6 was the product of an organized conspiracy. and that part is the really important part. the oath keepers didn't operate in a vacuum. their reach and their contacts, they were far and wide. remember, that during the trial, a former oath keepers member testified that the group's leader stewart rhodes told them he had a contact in the secret service. this former militia member testified that he heard stewart rhodes, in september of 2020 ahead of the trump rally talking to someone he believed to be a member of the secret service. the secret service even confirmed that later on saying, quote, it's not uncommon for various organizations to contact us concerning security

restrictions and permissible to our protective sites. court filings also advanced that stewart rhodes tried to connect with trump on evening of january 6, trying to get this message to the president, call up militia groups like the oath keepers and stop the peaceful transfer of power. prosecutors allege that one of other members of the group, quote, heard rhodes repeatedly employ individuals to call president trump to call groups like oath keepers to forcefully transfer the power. who was that individual, who was the interlocutor between the right wing military now guilty of seditious conspiracy and the president of the united states? it was against that backdrop that former secret service agent and white house official tony ornato at the center of a lot of controversy, he met behind closed doors with the january 6 committee.

you'll remember that tony ornato that previously had testified twice to the committee oversaw mr. trump's activities the night of the attack. and his name was thrown in june when cassidy hutchinson testified that ornato told her that trump got physical when his secret service refused to take him to the capitol. that bombshell testimony compelled the committee to call mr. ornato in for a third interview today to question him about his private testimony. there remain a lot of unanswered questions about what exactly was going on inside the white house and inside the overall security apparatus on january 6th. joining us now is carol leonnig, pulitzer prize winning author for "the washington post" and author of "zero fail:the rise and fail of the secret service." carol, thank you for joining us

today, i have so many questions in terms of where we are, in terms of getting to the bottom, of what exactly transpired between trump and the secret service detail in particular on january 6. the fact that tony ornato is back to the committee for the third time, what does that tell you? and do you have any reporting on what is happening behind closed doors, vis-a-vis ornato? >> i have a little bit, alex, i don't think it's going to faze you based on the questions i've heard sparked tonight. what i do know it went on for hours, i know he was in a remote interview with his private lawyer by his side. tony rnato who used to be the head of president trump's detail and setting up campaign rallies to get re-elected. he's no longer in the public sector and has retired as a private lawyer.

he was asked a lot about cassidy hutchinson's testimony include diagnose you, tony ornato tell anyone, or tell cassidy hutchinson as she testified under oath that there was some altercation at which president trump lunged at a steering wheel inside a car he was being driven from his speech to he hopes the capitol, that he lunged and his security detail leader, that detail leader, robby engle, so disappointed and infuriated trump and told him, i'm sorry, i'm not taking you. we're going to the west wing. we do not have the assets to protect you at the capitol. that should have been obvious, there was a mob heading that way. but that's overwhelming the centerpiece of the questions. as well as what did tony ornato know about the violence that was communicated to president trump that day. how much did donald trump know about what the secret service was finding on the ground the day of the rally. you know, there were weapons.

there were firearms. pistols, rifles. there were flag poles. there were spears. there were people carrying bear spray. there were people wearing bulletproof vests. how much did donald trump know about the danger and weaponry in the mob of supporters that he eventually encouraged to march on the capitol with him? >> carol, it seems like there are levels to what is being sought here. one is the practicalities of what the president knew, what he actually did, what kind of first hand account ornato can provide. but then it feels like there's another level to this, which is the involvement or the complicity, i don't know if that word is too loaded to use, of the secret service apparatus itselves right? it seems to me from the outside there are real questions about how diligently the secret service was relaying security threats to, for example, mike pence's office, the degree to

which they were trying to protect the president, in terms of cast ago side allegations like the ones miss hutchinson testified to about the president being violently eager to return to the capitol. i mean, is that something that ornato is testifying to, do you think? i'm wondering if the committee is trying to get to the bottom of the secret service's role in this as well? >> well, that's a great question, because tony ornato, as well as other agents, senior officials, i should say, in the secret service, have been asked, alex, by the january 6 committee in the past and possibly today, about the degree to which they realized the threat that was sort of in motion right in front of all national security officials and heading towards the capitol. for days and weeks before january 6th, the secret service, the fbi, and the department of homeland security were all on alert to various, i wouldn't

call them formal threat assessments, but i would call them guardians, alerts, and red flags that danger was coming. that people who said they wanted to attack the capitol with weapons, people who said get ready to draw-down on law enforcement were headed towards that rally that day with the president. all of those warnings were, to my mind, quite frightening impression. did the secret service not take those seriously enough? many agents and senior leaders have been asked that question. and tony ornato is the rightful person to ask that question as well, because they were sending essentially, one of their most important protectees, the vice president, to a building that was targeted for attack, according to all the intel that was coming in from the secret service and other parts of our government that are supposed to protect our country. >> yeah. you can't getaway -- that's ines

scapably technology. and carol, what do you think the downstream effects of this seditious conspiracy verdict are, as it concerns other folks in the hot seat, if you will, in terms of these sprawling doj investigations? do you think this increases the pressure for them to cooperate? i mean, what do you think is the practical effect of sort of the landmark verdicts we had this evening? >> so, i think, again to use your wonderful word contextualize, i think it cannot be overstated how important it is that the department of justice won these cases, won conviction, at least against two oath keeper leaders, on a charge that was pretty dusty in the statute book. and many people thought was too novel, too bold a charge to bring. had it been tested very recently in our modern history, modern

lore or my lifetime, and here we have a situation that was unprecedented, using violence to essentially attack a proceeding that was an attack on our democracy, attack on our country, that has downstream effects in one respect that i can can think of right off the bat, alex, which is when you convict someone like stewart rhodes of an organized violent conspiracy, the next potential charge is who else was involved in organizing a conspiracy to block the peaceful transfer of power. and if you have won on seditious conspiracy with an individual who used force, your chances of winning and prosecuting somebody might look a little brighter today. or someone who was involved in a nonviolent conspiracy. and we don't know who those people are at this moment. we don't know what the department of justice has uncovered in its investigation of what i often call the white

collar conspiracy. but that should be, i think, a little bit of a wind under the wings of the department of justice, as they consider what to do about that other conspiracy they're investigating. >> i would say, maybe even a lot of wind under their wings, carol leonnig, national investigative reporter for "the washington post." thank you as always, carol. great to have you tonight. >> thank you, alex. we have some other big important news to share tonight, good news. the senate in a bipartisan landmark vote has now passed the respect for marriage act which would codify into law federal protections for same-sex and interracial marriages. the bill would also repeal the defense of marriage act which is a act by bill clinton in 1986. tonight with the support of 12 republicans means the bill will move to the house where it's expected to pass next week to

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remember when trump became president how people started visiting mar-a-lago and booking rooms at trump's d.c. hotel so they could get in good with the maga people? so they could rub shoulders with the trump kids and maybe even get a glimpse of the president himself? well, as it happens, the supreme court sort of has its own version of that. it's not a hotel. it's an organization, and it's called the supreme court historical society and it's been around for decades. earlier this month, "the new york times" published an eye-popping investigation based on an interview with reverend lon shank. reverend shank is an activist who told the "times" that for years he converted wealthy conservative couples to try and get close to supreme court justices in an effort to advance the crusade. and reverend shank did this

trying to get them to wine and dine the justices, invite them to their vacation clubs and to achieve a $125,000 to something calls the supreme court historical society. and there they would get a chance to mingle with the justices at the society functions. quote, mr. schenk gave his health mission nairies close instruction. he assumed they will be properly vetted. see a justice, boldly approach, he told the couples. if given the opportunity, bear witness to biblical truth but don't push it. your presence alone telegraphs a very important signal to the justices. christians are concerned about the court and issues that come before it." now, whether the strategy actually worked is yet to be determined. whether it was the presence of christian minglers that ultimately got the court to, for example, strike down roe, that

is all unknown. after all, schenk was intending to influence justices that are ardently pro-life. what is happening here, frankly pretty shocking that right-wing activists like reverend schenk had been successful in their attempts to gain access to supreme court justices with the express purposes of wining and dining them and donations to their favorite causes. we know this because mr. schenk also told the "times" that one of these wealthy couples actually managed to become friends with samuel alito and his wife. through this couple, they learned in advance of burwell versus hobby lobby which if you remember concerned religious rights and contraception, when you look at it that way, $125,000 donation seems like a pretty good deal with a heads-up on a landmark court case.

justice alito said there's nothing untoward happening here. saying my wife and i became acquainted with the wrights some years ago because of their strong support for the -- wait for it -- the supreme court historical society. and since then, we've had a casual and purely social relationship. but not everybody agrees with that. on november 20th, senator sheldon in the white house and congressman jensen wrote a letter asking the court to look into the court's conduct and determine whether justice alito or any other justices violented the events described. and yesterday, they received a letter in response to the court's legal counsel, a man named ethan tory which pointedly ignored the questions put to the lawmakers. and also which justices might have been wined and dined as part of reverend schenk's elaborate scheme.

saying the term "gift is defined to ex conclude social hospitality, and often a matter of social hospitality. sound it's like something you'd get at mar-a-lago, too. we'll keep an eye on the story. stay tuned.

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power democrats hold in the next congress. voters have already shattered turnout records from the previous runoff election in georgia. yesterday, more than 300,000 voters cast ballots in a single day of voting. now, that's more early votes than has been cast in a single georgia election including presidential ones. it could be a sign of record enthusiasm this year, but it may also be a symptom of voter suppression. let's explain. last year, georgia republicans passed a fairly draconian anti-voting law which among other things dramatically shortened the number of days that voters have to cast ballots in a runoff. the law cut the early voting time during a runoff election down to a minimum of 16 days to a minimum of just five days. and while that does not seem to have deterred people from voting in elections, it has led to this one, long lines of voters trying to exercise their constitutional rights of an early election.

data from the georgia secretary of state's office shows that black voters and women make up a disproportionate share of the people's vote. on sunday, senator warnock himself waited in line phone hour to cast a vote. today, poll lines stretched as long as two hours to get in voting in a runoff election three weeks before the midterms. right now, the two candidates are approaching the final stretch of this campaign in dramatically different ways. senator raphael warnock held six separate events this weekend in the atlanta area and scheduled with a campaign rally with president obama on thursday. by contrast, herschel walker took a six-day break from campaigning and has not taken a question from a campaign trail reporter since the month of october. this is november 29th today. and "the new york times" reports that former president trump will not be joining herschel walker on the campaign trail before election day.

he's instead hosting campaign calls from supporters. in response to the news that trump stay the out, one walker aide told the atlanta journal constitution, quote, thank god. even without trump around, the walker campaign still has to deal with its second liability, herschel walker. the warnock campaign releases this ad showing voters reacting to walker in his own words. >> the other night, i'm watching this movie called fright night or freak night or some kind of night, it was about vampires. >> what the hell is he talking about? >> is he serious? is he for real? >> why i want to kill a vampire, i don't want do that, i don't want to be a vampire, i want to be a ware wolf. >> you guys are serious about this. >> so i'm telling you this story about this bull in the field and six cows and three of them are pregnant. >> there's no substance. >> you know you got something going on. >> it makes me want to laugh and

makes me think we're that trouble. >> i saw how they got to move. >> i was watching this and it would be like, oh, man, that guy's got it together. >> it is embarrassing. it is embarrassing. >> let's call it what it is, it is embarrassing. joining us now is tia mitchell, washington correspondent for the atlanta journal constitution. tia, thank you for being here, how do you read the early voters? is this a message of enthusiasm or necessity or the both? >> i think you hit the nail on the head, it's a combination of voters wanting to cast their ballot participating in the runoff and having a much more limited time period to do so. usually before an election in georgia, there are usually two weeks of early voting especially that happens during the last runoff that was nine weeks instead of four weeks. so with less time to vote, because voting couldn't get under way until the previous

election was certified. so that even closed the window further. with less time to vote, there are less opportunity for early voting. what we're seeing how popular this method of voting is. voters don't want to vote on election day, they like the flexibility of early voting. unfortunately with this window there isn't as much flexibly which is leading to the longer lines. >> what do you make of the decision nat to have former president trump campaign in the state of georgia? from all assessments, this is a turnout election, and trump for all of his negative does have skill at turning out the base. what message do you draw from the fact that the gop does not want him in the state? >> yeah, you know, there's a lesson. and there's the -- the same thing is happening on the democratic side when it comes to president biden, what they're calculating is the risk and reward of having arguably, you know, the leader of the party,

on the democratic side, president biden. on the republican side former president trump, yes, they can rile up the base, energize the base, but they can also really rile up the opposition to other side, where they're not popular. so both candidates have decided that the leaders of their parties should stay away. trump and biden did not campaign with their candidates during the general election and are not planning to campaign with the candidates during this runoff election. you know, for trump, i think it's more pronounced because herschel walker is so closely aligned with trump. he was trump's candidate for this race. trump took a lot of credit for herschel walker winning the primary. but yet, trump has not visibly campaigned with herschel walker. despite their friendship, despite their long alliance politically and personally, and so that really is a contrast there. >> yeah, i guess i would push

back a little bit on that, as to whether you see biden and trump in the same sort of liability, if you will. the idea to induce turnout, you try to bring the biggest star as you can. for all intents and purposes that person is barack obama. one wonders if joe biden would get the same turnout. isn't touch taking out ads to show the endorsement and then officially a mic drop like this is the man that trump endorsed, take your pick? >> absolutely. absolutely. as you've shown, they're using herschel walker's words against him. but there are also ads as you noted that highlight the endorsement of herschel walker which famously trump announced he's running for president again, he said, by the way, don't forget to vote for herschel walker if you're in georgia. so, yes, trump is, you know,

much more problematic for republicans than whether it's obama or biden or whoever you can name on the democratic side is for sure. trump is much more polarizing. but you can't -- herschel walker can't avoid the trump factor. you know, he can't avoid the fact that he was trump's hand-picked candidate for this race. he can't avoid that, you know, trump was instrumental in his career. and all the ways that they've been aligned over the decades that they've known each other. but what herschel walker and his advisers have said is that physically appearing, trump, that's the bridge too far. that we think could be problematic, so please stay away. >> for now, he looks like he's playing ball on that. tia mitchell, washington correspondent for the ajc -- the "atlanta journal-constitution,"" thank you for your time tonight, tia. >> thank you.

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