from the ground up and start before he fully started an investigation. jack smith is investigating a fully formed -- two investigations and he really is not expected to hire that many of his own people. it's more a situation the people are crackling along and what his role is is to make some crucial charging decisions. >> ken delaney. paul butler, as always thanks for your analysis and perspective. "deadline white house" right now with nicole wallace. hi there, everyone. it's 4:00 in new york. moments ago we heard from

attorney general merrick garland in the wake of the conviction of stewart rhodes. garland telling reporters that the trial shows doj will, quote, work tirelessly to hold all january 6th perpetrators accountable and, indeed, this landmark prosecution is a key milestone in the march for accountability for those involved in carrying out planning and insighting the january 6th insurrection. the see dish shus conspiracy marks, quote, the first time in nearly 20 trials related to the capitol attack that a jury has decided that the violence that erupted on january 6th, 2021, was the product of an organized conspiracy. and there's this in the washington post reporting,

quote, analysts call the outcome a vindication for the justice department. the jury's verdict confirms january 6th, 2021, was not just legitimate political discourse or a peaceful protest that got out of hand, this was a planned, organized, violent assault on the lawful authority of the u.s. government and the peaceful transfer of power. that's according to randall d. eliason. quote, now the only remaining question is how much higher did those plans go and who else might be held criminally responsible. an important question given that the attack happened in coordination with other extremists like the leaders of the proud boys. they will be on trial on the same charge as stewart rhodes, seditious conspiracy, next month. the fact that none of it happens at all if not for the lies and conspiracies peddled by twice

impeached president over the years. they established that extremist groups heard donald trump's december 19th tweet, be there, we'll be wild, loud and clear. they saw it as nothing less than a call to arms. here is what the january 6th select committee uncovered about the reaction to that now infamous tweet. >> president trump in the early morning hours today tweeted that he wants the american people to march on washington, d.c., on january 6th, 2021. >> we're going to only be saved by millions of americans moving to washington, occupying the entire area, if necessary storming right into the capitol. >> i mean, after it was announced that, you know, he was going to be there on the 6th to talk, yes, then anything else was kind of shut out and it was just going to be on the 6th.

>> many shared plans and violent threats. bring handcuffs and wait near the tunnels wrote one user. a commender replied suggesting zip ties instead. december 19th at 10:22 a.m. hours after president trump's tweet kelly meggs, the head of the florida oath keepers, declared an alliance among the oath keepers, the proud boys and the florida 3 percenters, he wrote, we have decided to work together and shut this [ bleep ] down. and here's what one witness told the select committee about hopes by stewart rhodes that donald trump would invoke the insurrection act. >> he had grand visions of being a paramilitary leader and the insurrection act would have given him a path forward with that. you know, the fact that the president was communicating, whether directly or indirectly messaging, you know, kind of -- that gave him the nod and all i

can do is thank the gods that things did not go any worse that day. >> so the communication direct andor indirect between the ex-president and the extremist groups now lies at the heart of january 6th. prosecutors are hearing from one of the men most likely to have unique insight into this. stephen miller testified before a grand jury as part of the justice department's investigation into january 6th, that's according to cnn, nbc news has not independently verified their reporting. miller is reportedly the first known witness to testify since jack smith was appointed special counsel to oversee the investigations into donald trump. questions surrounding the ex-president's legal exposure in the wake of the conviction of the leader of the oath keeper's militia of seditious conspiracy.

we have katie benner here. barbara mcquade, former u.s. attorney and also an msnbc contributor and peterzok is back. the attorney general is bound by practices in terms of not being allowed to say much. there's the fact of this press conference today on the heels of this conviction today, what was behind the decision to come out and speak to reporters albeit briefly today? >> like you said, he can't talk about cases that are ongoing. the sedition case was completed. yes, the jury did say this was not just political speech, this was meant to interfere in the election, that, in fact, the actions did interfere in the election. one of the things that's so

interesting is that they did not convict him on the charge of actually conspiring to impede congress and i think that some of our other panelists might be able to get into this a bit, too. and that does raise larger questions about whether or not the justice department will be able to prove a plot about specifically trying to coop -- conspire to stop this. he was convicted of actually interfering in the congressional process. overall they definitely see this as a big deal, a victory and a win and they want the public to know they saw it that way too. >> barbara mcquade, let me show you what congressman adam schiff had to say about the charges that the jury found rhodes and others guilty of. >> now they have to find out who

was involved in organizing and inciting so i think it has consequences going up the ladder, responsibility, but i also think the former president has to be concerned about other things. >> barbara, another member raising questions about donald trump and specifically about what the testimony made that clear. >> mr. meadow's testimony will bear on another key question before this committee, did donald trump through action or inaction correctly seek to seek to impede congress's counting

the votes. >> liz cheney asked that earlier. we need further understanding the answer to her question. zblr i think we are only in that this verdict strengthens the hand of the justice department. additional members of the oath keepers, proud boys and even these defendants who were convicted yesterday, all of them now face a much higher likelihood of going to prison for a very long time. and i think that makes the calculus change for them. if i am the defense attorney for any of these defendants, i am going to them today saying, look, we now know how jurors view these cases. you ought to consider whether you want to plead guilty and cooperate. what do you have that we can give to the justice department that might being of value to them? so i think some of those doors that were slammed shut before might be budging open and it may

give an opportunity to explore cooperation. somebody has to provide the information to the people and trump and the hotel willard war room. is there a connection? somebody likely knows that. i think this gives the justice department the upper hand for pursuing that cooperation that could connect those two groups of people, the people who physically attacked the capitol and trump and his allies. >> pete, we learned through the january 6th select committee's public hearings towards the end of their series of summer hearings they had amassed a whole lot of witness testimony about trump's knowledge of violence and the specificity with which he knew who they threatened, didn't threaten, they're not going to hurt me. the specificity on which he was

briefed about the radio traffic that the secret service had. this is cassidy hutchinson on trump's supporters and the fact that they were armed but not dangerous to him. >> he was told again in that conversation or was he told again in that conversation that people could come through the mags because they had weapons? >> correct. >> and that people -- and his response was they could march to the capitol -- is it from the ee limits? >> something to the effect of take the f'ing mags away. they're not here to hurt me. let them in. they can march from the ellipse. take the f'ing mags away, then they can march to the capitol. >> so he news who they endanger and who they do not endanger. he wants them at his rally. we know he wants to go to the capitol with them. how far does that get you to the

investigative pathway to his association with violence? >> nicole, i think it certainly tells you he was aware of what the crowd was capable of and that he was aware of what the crowd was targeting, specifically that it wasn't him and there was some information that they might be violent and that violence might be directed to congress. a couple things that came out of the guilty verdicts and not guilty verdicts, number one, a jury of their peers found that kelly meggs and stewart rhodes had the intend to attack the government. it shows it's very, very difficult in some cases, you mentioned not finding some of the conspiracy charges and that lays out in the criminal context when it gets to a jury that some of these cases are very difficult to prove all of the

elements. this is a vindication for the department of justice. i don't think of it as a win so far as the appropriate justice being done. it shows even though witnesses are stating he made these comments to others and people like stephen miller in the grand jury, people immediately at his side, it is a very difficult thing to go from what you know to being able to prove that in a court of law and satisfy all the elements of a crime. as it's going to be very difficult in the days ahead as the senior members of the administration continue to get pulled in front of the grand jury. >> that is the sort of inverted piece of this, right? i mean, these insurrectionists who were carrying out violent criminal acts, we were broadcasting it live, it was surreal, these were i don't know

if low hanging but the priority cases the doj brought. the special counsel investigated crimes by people that were not on the grounds of the capitol. what does that look like? how much visibility do we have into what that looks like? >> so we've seen that the justice department on that question over the summer just before the election period began, they sent out many, many subpoenas for documents and information from a wide variety of people close to mr. trump's orbit or part of his orbit. now they're interviewing people like stephen miller. he's close to the president or remains close to the president. it shows when merrick garland says the pace will not change, that this is likely true. you see even though jack smith has taken over and is in the process of being briefed up. overseeing this broad investigation, that the career

prosecutors who have been working on this problem continue to do so at pace. it does not matter there's been a changing of the guards. they have not stopped their work. >> let me -- the news that steven mill der will be cnn is reporting stephen miller is before a grand jury and the select committee investigating the same things what they produced about trump's ties to stephen miller. here's some of stefanie murphy's reporting. >> as you can see from the president's daily diary here, the president spoke to his chief speech writer stephen miller for over 25 minutes that morning. following his call with mr. miller president trump inserted for the first time a line in his speech that said, quote, and we will see whether mike pence enters history as a truly great and courageous leader. all he has to do is refer the illegally-submitted electoral votes back to the states that were given false and fraudulent

information where they want to recertify. no prior version of this speech had mentioned vice president pence or his role on january 6th. the last-minute edits by president trump to his speech were part of the president's pressure campaign against his own vice president. >> barb, is it a safe assumption that those are the kinds of questions the doj might have for stephen miller? are they likely to be looking at other things? >> no, i think it's exactly right. two reasons. one is the crime of seditious conspiracy or something else relating to the physical attack, but i think a more likely charge they may be proving is conspiracy to defraud the united states. that would not require donald trump to be connected to the actual violence at the capitol. it would be enough to show he was pressuring mike pence to get him to subvert the election laws. that's where stephen miller may come in handy, john eastman and some of the other people who were part of this strategy to

solicit fake electors, to create this false claim of fraud to get mike pence to be able to reject the certification that day and buy some time for state legislatures to throw out the votes of their people and install their own slates of electors. that would be a path for donald trump. that's one they have shown and one stephen miller can lend some support. the same with stephen miller. >> barb, they have access and mike pence is a perfect example to more people than the congressional committee was able to access over 1,000 witnesses, almost all of them, not just republicans but trump republicans. what is sort of in that space between all the witness testimony and documents and

evidence the select committee amassed and what doj will have access to now? >> well, i think a couple of things doj can get that the committee could not. one is communications content. the committee had to rely on subpoenas to the person who owned the device to turn over on their own their communications records. instead, the justice department has the ability to get a search warrant to go to communications providers to get those communications records. they can use a search warrant to seize the phone records of people like jeffrey clark and others who may have been communicating about this. so i think those communications records are an important piece of information that they lacked. there's a lot more case law supporting the justice department's ability for a subpoena and a real contempt to

comply. so i think if the justice department wants to push the subpoenas, they can get witnesses to testify in a way the january 6th committee couldn't. access to people like mike pence, mark meadows and others who refused to comply with the january 6th subpoenas. i think the j us tis department can get that testimony if it pushes it. >> pete, katie and her colleagues have done extraordinary reporting on both the mar-a-lago investigations and january 6th. we know that doj has already -- they've reached stephen miller. he's before a grand jury. they've reached ka tash patel. the at what stage if we're at the cash patel and stephen miller on the insurrection? >> well, nicole, i think they're both fairly advanced. they are having direct contact

with donald trump. you have people now who are in immediate contact with the former president and that shows you a fairly mature and advanced stage. i think if you were to compare and contrast the two investigations, in many ways the mar-a-lago document case is a much more straightforward and simple case. you don't have the same number of subjects, the same number of witnesses, the same issues of trying to define who is involved with what and what they were communicating. at mar-a-lago you have a much smaller group. what that does as an investigator, prosecutor, team working those cases, you can advance those cases in many instances more quickly, one, because it's smaller and, two, because it is simpler in some ways. so if i had to guess, this is all speculation which i think all of us hesitate to do, the mar-a-lago case seems to be much more ripe and towards a

potential movement towards charges. we're still waiting on the 11th circuit to render a decision about the special master and whether doj can have access to those documents. i anticipate the government will get it. i think it means there's very little chance that the government is going to make any sort of charging decision until they get a chance to see those documents, assess their value and assess the impact on the case. >> that was a question on timing. is there any sense that what pete just laid out is for doj investigators on the mar-a-lago side? is there any sense what the time line for getting through all that work would be and any chance it's before the end of the year? >> yeah. so i don't think it will be before the end of the year, large part because of what pete just laid out. while the justice department has brought cases before about pilfered government information without knowing the exact amount of documents taken, we've seen that happen in the past, the

justice department is probably not going to bring charges before they review the documents that they have. plus we have to wait for the justice department. we don't have a sense that that is completed either. we are just weeks away from the end of the year and i would not ever bet on any kind of charges at all happening before january 1st. >> wow. katie benner, i'm glad i asked you that question. thank you for starting us off. bash and pete, stick around. a lethal threat to some communities in our country, the department of homeland security issuing a new bulletin about violent extremists inside the united states. we'll tell you about that. plus, we are learning more every day about what twitter has become under elon musk. his latest move dropping twitter's ban on covid misinformation. the reactions to the dangers of that. we'll talk to kara switcher and

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quote, americans motivated by violent ideologies pose a persistent and lethal threat. there is an enduring threat to the jewish community. it comes amid growing fears of white supremacy and fears that the government is not doing enough to stop home grown terrorism. this increase in domestic terror attacks has been perpetrated by extremists. it is clear the federal government is not adequately dealing with this. le pete, chris wray testified to almost the exact verbatim finding of the senate homeland security committee in september of 2021 in a clip i played on the show so many times i have it memorized.

by far the most serious is white supremacy. how if we've known the problem, we've known it for two years and counting, are we so ill equipped to deal with it? >> nicole, i think that's a great question. the fact of the matter is despite that testimony, one or two months later you had a former president of the united states meeting with ye and nick fuentes, an absolute white supremacist, at mar-a-lago, giving them that propaganda victory and spotlight encouraging this from a former president of the united states. part of what aggravates me is everybody is able to look at the symptoms of the problem. we see threats to synagogues and jewish communities. we scratch our head. i understand government is going to be reticent to assign any

sort of causality to one party or the other. the fact of the matter is, if you step back from this behavior, it is being prompted by one side up to and including one party, someone who has declared his candidacy for the presidency. we have to start assigning some sort of responsibility, not just oh, this is an issue for extremists and white supremacists, but start looking at those who are enabling it, making it acceptable and putting it into the mainstream and that goes to the doorstep of donald trump. >> pete, let me just follow-up. when radical extremism was the top threat to the u.s. homeland, there was nothing, not one thing that ted cruz and mitch mcconnell and kevin mccarthy were not willing to do to take out that threat.

how do you just leave the politics, take the weapons, plots, all of the wire tap programs had the explicit program and enthusiasm. all of the things employed on the war on terrorism were not remotely controversial among senate republicans and ones in the house that are still there. how do you take the threat picture to the people who remember what they were willing to do to protect america then and say, really? you want to fight this with both hands tied behind our backs? >> well, i think it's enormously frustrating. two issues i see. absolute political cowardess and their leadership. there have been notable examples who have stood up and denounced trump meeting with them but by and large kevin mccarthy and by and large people refusing to

make any sort of comment about trump's behavior, about him meeting with these folks, about him continuing to give them sort of the oxygen in the media ecosystem. the second thing, which i think is a little bit more complex, in the international terrorism context, it was very clear when we look at al qaeda, isis, people outside the you states, that is a more clearly defined threat that doesn't start bumping into political dialogue and first amendment protected political discourse. hate speech in the united states is protected speech. it is ugly, terrible. there are complicating factors when you start asking what more can the government do. the first thing that's undeniable, we are unanimous across the board, whoever has a bully pulpit, stand up and say this is absolutely unacceptable behavior.

>> barbara, it is the security challenge of our time, right? you have unstable people and domestic extremists and domestic terrorists, maybe that's the spectrum. they are all a threat to the homeland, especially the communities listed in today's dhs bulletin, jewish communities, jewish preschools. i have a lot of friends who send their kids to jewish preschools. they have around guards outside of them. i don't know if i could leave my child at a preschool with a guy outside with an ar-15 to protect babies. why isn't there a trip wire when the speech can be tied to threats of violence against specific communities? >> yeah. i think that because of some of the abuses of the past the fbi and other organizations are reluctant to criminalize speech.

we had a shameful history in the 1960s and '70s with the co-intel pro with the monitoring of martin luther king and other civil war rights leaders and vietnam war but speech is different than conduct. that is where we can draw the line. it requires a little bit of political courage. there is a little bit adage he who does nothing does nothing wrong. if you take a stand and you turn out to be too aggressive or you're wrong, that could be career suicide. instead, you keep your head down and you go along to get along, but here courage is necessary to take a stand and differentiate between freedom of speech and that which is inciting violence. there's a concept called stoco st tic terrorism. someone puts out an idea knowing that someone will hear it and take them up on it.

it's like what henry ii said, they will take the bait and they will kill someone causing trouble for the leader. it may not be that they're deliberate but they're reckless. when someone says something about the lgbtq community. someone on the far left want to groom your children for pedophilia. these statements have consequences. when they make these statements designed to elicit a violent be response, it's no surprise people take that bait. we need to ensure that statements that are inciting violence are seen as conduct, not speech. >> is chris wray the guy to do that, barbara? >> i don't know. i think he has so far demonstrated that he does not have a willingness to do this. i think his appreciation for free speech is admirable but i think he needs to take a hard look at the data and make a

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the barriers, the walls, protecting against harmful, potentially deadly content online. doctors suggest that the change is a huge step backwards. elon musk has insisted free speech the top priority. today reason to believe it is so much more. that's because a top european official has warned elon musk today that significant changes need to be made to comply with a new eu law governing social media companies and a law that imposes a possible ban on companies that don't apply, potentially twitter. joining us is scale swisher. a contributing editor at new york magazine.

"pivot" and" on." . kara swisher, this feels like a big deal. could elon musk get this banned? >> they have strict laws there. none in the united states. europe has been forcing other tech companies to do various things over the years. yeah, certainly if they abandon too much of their safety, different rules they have in place, they could do it. it has a lot of teeth compared to here. there's no teeth here in this country. >> does elon musk care? >> well, i mean, it's not where their biggest business is but the -- the u.s. is where they do their business. sure. it's not great to get banned somewhere because your platform is considered not safe. he's got to care some. he's in touch with them and the policy people that are left at twitter is in touch with them. >> what is he doing, kara

swisher, from where you sit? >>ing i have no ideas. there's lots of theories. he could be trying to bring the price of the company down so that he could buy the debt. he could be meaning some of this. he could be -- there's all kinds of things. a lot of it i think is performative. everything is a disaster, hair on fire and he'll fix it and declare victory and take it public. there's all kinds of theories what he's doing. much of it is performative. he got to take a walk with tim cook around the circle of apple. >> it's not my space. i don't know what these people are like but it seems so childish to destroy something people care a lot about and the danger is real. the washington post did reporting about the number of people dieing. they're largely republicans dieing. now twitter is going to be

flooded with covid misinformation. >> if you don't look for it, it doesn't exist. a lot of it's theater. again, if you don't make an effort -- i interviewed the former head of trust and safety and he basically said, if you don't have rules, you don't have rules and therefore you're not in trouble if you don't find it. that's more problematic when it comes to child safety or child pornography content and things like that, and that's where it gets concerning, i think. and covid misinformation. >> so covid misinformation kills people, we know that, donny deutsch. here's what's happening with child safety on twitter. according to wild. removing child exploitation is priority number one. at the same time following widespread regulations, one staff member remains on a key team dedicated to child sexual

abuse information from the site. twitter has purged everyone in charge of protecting children and child abuse content. in the delusional world which musk appears in placating and pleasing planet q you have this fictional fantasy world of pedophiles and in the real world twitter is much more hospitable to them. >> i find elon musk reprehensible. 50 of the top 100 advertisers have left twitter since -- this is going back to 2020. over $2 billion since 2020 and just $750 million this year spent like merck, ford, chevrolet, chipotle. he continues this, all advertisers are gone. you can't have a major brand in this country and be putting your ads on platforms like this that are unsafe for children, spreading misinformation about covid that's actually killing people. kara is right. it's performative. that's kind of frightening.

this is a very serious social platform. a lot of people have said why are you criticizing elon musk? there are other billionaires, other very puffed up individuals that are own media platforms, but not as political as this one and certainly don't seem to have as much of their self invested, their own self and self-worth. he's a dangerous man. the good news is the advertisers are going to be the ultimate check and balance. they will have the last say. otherwise there will be no twitter business. >> donnie, should people be on twitter? what should the customer, the consumer do? >> i think -- nicole, you took it to the next level. the consumer is the actual end end end voice. people will start running from it. if there's no credibility there, if it's the wild, wild west, an unsafe place, if it allows exploit tags of children, customers will walk away.

elon musk can live in his own delusional world. this can be fun and game for him. at the end he will drive the business into the ground and twitter will be a napster. >> just from a branding perspective, donnie, does one come back from destroying twitter, burning it to the ground? >> no. no. at some point also as you know, people -- he starts to become enmeshed in twitter. his personal brand and twitter's personal brand. the irony of this whole thing, supposed to be the ultimate global democratic populist 8 billion people platform yet you have one dangerous person who's making it much about their whims and feelings of the day. >> you guys both blow my mind. thank you so much for helping me understand it. the thank you so much.

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responsibility, it's important to remind twitter that covid is still killing about 300 people in this country every single day. it infects more than 300,000 people in this country every single week but it comes amid real efforts from the biden white house to make things better to protect people. biden administration continues to express cautious optimism about their campaign to get people vaccinated ahead of a tripledemic. joining us is dr. zha. i wanted to call you. my whole family has had their covid boosters in the last week. it's this triple thing. we're getting the flu shot, covid shot. i know a lot of kids have rsv. just tell me what this season looks like and what keeps you up at night, if anything? >> well, first of all, thanks for having me back. you know, what happens this season is largely up to us. we are seeing three highly contagious respiratory viruses

circulating at high levels. rsv, ip flew enzsa and sars covid, and we have highly effective vaccines against two of them. influenza and covid. if people go out in large numbers and get vaccinated against those two viruses, it takes hospitalizations and deaths from those two viruses largely off the table. dramatically lowers that risk. reduces the burden on hospitals. then we can manage rsv. we know how to manage rsv. it's been around for a long time. it can be a challenge for young kids. so we know how to manage this. there are a lot of things that are under our control and that's what we need to focus on is doing the things that we know will make a difference. >> do you see the people participating in the new booster as the subset of the original group of people? i mean, are you dealing with a shrinking pool of americans so if you didn't get the original series and you never boosted,

you're not likely to get omicron? are we going to end up with a country in which 40, 50, 60, 70% is super immunized and then you have the deniers, disinfo consumers with no protection? >> i hope not and i actually don't think so. it's worth remembering 90% of adults got at least one shot of the vaccine. >> oh, wow. >> yeah. so the proportion of people who have gotten no vaccines at all is actually quite tiny. then a lot of people have got their boosters last fall. obviously in terms of second boosters people were eligible, only certain people were. here's the big picture shift, nicole, that's happened in the last few months. in the past you had to figure out what am i eligible for? do i get this? do i get that? all of that is now gone. >> okay. >> buy are at a point where one shot once a year. that's it. now for some high risk people, the elderly, immunocompromised, they may need a second shot. majority of adults go out and

get a flu shot every year. it's not a big deal. it's not political. straightforward what you do to protect yourself and your family. that's how people should be thinking about the covid shot. i am hopeful that's how this plays out. >> what are we doing as a country about long covid? there's a terrifying story on cnbc today about financial cost and the long-term disability risks of people suffering from covid. there's all sorts of almost desperate presence of people suffering from long covid on social media trying to create communities and outreach. what are the answers? what is known and unknown about long covid? >> yeah. really important issue. this is an issue the president has actually talked quite a bit about and has asked us all to work on. in my mind there's a three-pronged approach and then i want to talk about what we know on the science. the three-pronged approach, making sure the people who have long covid get the care they need. there's a lot of work that goes

into providing help for a new disease. some of these individuals are really affected, disabled, making sure they have the support they need. third, just as importantly is really investing in the science. there's a huge nih effort called the recover study. produced a dozen studies. new therapeutics to try to a droes this. here's what we know about long covid right now. we know if you are up to date on your vaccines, that dramatically reduces your risk of long covid. it's not perfect. if you are up to date on your vaccines, your risk is substantially lower. some preliminary evidence if you get treated with paxlovid, that can reduce your risk. very intriguing. we're going to get more data. we're going to do everything we can to figure out how do you prevent it and how to treat it. >> dr. zha, what are your

concerns? you were on the front lines of the first battle of covid disinformation around the rollout of the first vaccines and now twitter seems to be moving backward in terms of reinstating a lot of those accounts that spread disinformation. what are your concerns in that area? >> i'll tell you, as a physician i'll start with the basic fact. when i have seen patients in my prior job before starting this one, i needed to make sure patients had high quality information. they deserve quality science driven information and that should be available to them online and it should be available everywhere. the cost of not having that is the fact that hundreds of americans are dying unnecessarily of a virus where if people got up to date on their vaccines, nicole, and if people took treenlts that are widely available and free, we could drive that 300 deaths a day to close to zero. the cost of the misinformation is very large and what i feel very strongly is we have to do

everything we can as a country to make sure people have frr access to high quality good information. >> i cited the washington post article of the 300 people who are dying each day are unvaccinated. >> largely under vaccinated. if you are 70 years old and you got the shots last april, you don't have the protection you need to get through the omicron wave we've gone through last year. the point isn't people who are truly unvaccinated, it's a tiny number. people who are under vaccinated. people not up to date on vaccines. don't worry about how many shots you have in the past. at this point go out and get the new updated bivalent vaccine and it makes a difference in keeping people healthy and not at the hospital. >> did jha, thank you and we bat the questions around. thank you for answering them and

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were yes 61, nays are 56. the bill as amended have passed zbll dear president, what a great day. what a great day. [ applause ] >> we don't have enough of those, right? great days. hi, again. it's 5:00 in new york. great day. the senate passing the respect for marriage act which codifies

protections for same-sex and interracial marriages. 12 republicans voted to pass this and bring it 61-36. raphael warnock missed the vote as he's in georgia campaigning ahead of his runoff election next week. the bill heads where it is expeced and in a statement after the senate vote the president said this, quote, the united states is on the brink of reaffirming a fundamental truth. love is love, and americans be should have the right to marry the person they love. congress was essentially forceds to take on this legislation after a threat outroud and in his writing. just had suggested.

reconsidering. it required all states to recognize same-sex marriages. that would be another example. maybe 71% of americans believe same sex marriages. chasten buttigieg wrote. mornings spent negotiating the daily schedule while stuffing diaper bags. it is the sweat-inducing challenge of getting a sweater on the wiggling toddler and the smile that comes from how cute they are once you succeeds. it's good-bye kisses at the door and be thermoses of coffee in the mini van. it's having the right to juggle it all with the person who makes you feel loved and supported amidst the chaos. it is the right to have a

shoulder to lean on at the end of the day in the first place. it is the promise of hard work for your partner, your kids, for us, our country. my marriage has filled this house with so much love it makes me want to be a better husband, father, citizen every day. it has called me to something bigger than myself while recognizing that my kids are now the most important thing in my life and i'd do anything po connect them in a world that they can thrive in so that they, too, can enjoy all of the love and light and happiness that pete and i have known simply by falling in love with one another. choing us now, chasten buttigieg, teacher, author, husbandbuttigieg. that is the first time i have read that without crying. it is so beautiful. >> good to be with you, nicole.

thanks for having me. >> so what inspired you to write that? how long had you been mulling it before you put it out there for all of us to see? >> i wanted to write it because i just wanted to share, you know, a snapshot of what marriage equality means to one same-sex couple. i was trying to get work done and i was keeping an eye on c span and hearing some of the folks on the floor debate, you know, your marriage, your family just had me thinking so i had to just start writing. i just wanted to share one clims of what our marriage, what our family looks like because at the end of the day that's what marriage equality is. for us, it is the foundation of a loving family. >> what you wrote is so beautiful but i want to get to the darker side of this, that we have to have this conversation,

that we have to have this bill feels so much like going backward. does it feel that way to you? >> yeah. yeah. i mean, well, i'm so grateful, you know, that senator baldwin and democratic leadership got this done, and it means so much. but yesterday i've got to be honest i felt a little bit numb and i was talking about this with pete and some friends yesterday. while it is incredible this legislation passed the senate with a bipartisan effort, we passed this bill because the supreme court is threatening to take it away. we're reaffirming marriage equality because there are those who sit on this bench want to take advantage of this. marriage is our family, showing up for the children, being there for one another. for pete and i it's doing everything we can to make this a more perfect union for everybody

and the reason that we had to put that bill on the floor, the reason that we had to pass it was because people are still threatening to take it away from us. >> what do you think that is about? i spent time and i like to remind people too often i spent time in the republican party. republicans like to think they're about values. there's nothing more that threatens your family versus what justice come to mass threatened to do. what undergirds that in america? >> you know, i don't know particularly why the republican party continues to focus on lgbtq people. i think it's because we're an easy target and i think it's because they don't have solutions to real issues. they're not interested in tackling irch issues and you shared that gallup poll at the top of the segment. only 70% approve of marriage

equality. only 70% believe in lgbtq marriage equality. as you saw yesterday, majority lf of people are out of step. they don't want to focus what people are hoping they go to washington and solve, it's because they need to continuously stoke a culture war to audition for their fox news hit or to get some likes and retweets on twitter. that's not what leadership is about. it's about making people's lives better. i'm so grateful that senate democrats got this done so they can go back and solve more issues for people. >> chasten the department of homeland security issued a bulletin warning of threats to the lgbtq community specifically.

obviously there is in rhetoric,s we've got the senate republican leader who didn't vote for this bill. what makes the threat so pervasive that dhs had to issue a warning in your view? >> i don't know. i didn't see that. that hurts to -- that hurts to hear. again, this is already a vulnerable community. focusing and targeting an already vulnerable community that just wants to live. we just want to survive and exist in a country that sees them for who they are and go about their lives just the way everybody else is. especially trans americans. honing in on a vulnerable community and picking on them and attacking them. many people want to go about their lives and exist freely,

openly, safely like any other american can. the republican leader being here. i want to share with you what this means? >> matt and jeremy live in grand rapids, michigan. they adopted three kids. on the day that their adoption was finalized their young daughter was diagnosed with cancer. their adoption took place in the hospital. we lost kate a couple weeks ago to neuroblastoma. these are two dads who did everything they could for their daughter, flying her around the country, getting her every treatment possible, trying to find a solution for her, giving her the most loving and supportive home that she ever could have imagined. that is what marriage equality is about. it's about showing up for your partner and it's about showing up for your family. they are two of the best dads that i've ever met and at the end of the day we just want to

show up for our partners and show up for our kids and get to work and do what we can to just make this a more perfect union for everybody. that's what it is about at the heart of this -- of this argument. we are just people trying to exist like every other family. that's why in my piece i invited republicans to sit in the play room, see how we play, you know, with building blocks scattered all over the floor and i'm sure messes on the counter. get to know a family who's probably very, very similar to yours. >> it is exact -- i think the thing about your story, it's everyone be's story. it's every mom's story. it's every dad's story. every couple with kids. the little stolen moments with your partner amid the chaos that you can't believe that you love. >> yes. >> the thing about what you've written, wait, as your kids get

older the legos get smaller and they hurt more. that's what you have ahead of you. the remarkable thing about your piece is as beautiful and exquisite as it is. it is the universeality of your household. that is every household. i want to thank you for writing it and putting it out there. i know you and signature -- mayor pete, i know you keep your family in sort of private so thank you for putting that out there, for spending some time with us. i just want to give you the last word. >> oh, i appreciate that. thanks so much for having me on. thanks for having this conversation. you know, like i said, we're just a family. we're just like every other family. i have pouch goop all over the windows of my mini van i'm not sure how i'm going to get it off. i have heaps of laundry and i've got, you know, dirty dishes in the sink and i'm trying to do my best to show up for my kids and i'm so grateful that democrats

and some republicans crossed over the aisle to get this done so that my family can breathe a sigh of relief and go about our day and i hope that the house passes it swiftly and gets it to the president's desk so we can all move on from this debate. >> we should stop having this conversation. you're right. chasten buttigieg, thank you for writing it and talking about it. i think you have pickup in 20 minutes. >> joining our conversation, jonathan capehart, also joining us matt dow, political strategist and democratic strategist iisha mills. jonathan capehart, take our viewers through what you wrote today if they haven't seen it. >> so, i mean, the headline be is a tad snarky. gee, thanks for this tiny step to protect my marriage. i'm happy that the respect for marriage act is hurtling towards passage. it protects particularly

marriages like mine. i am in a same-sex interracial marriage. we forget the interracial marriages are also protected in this act. it's wonderful it is serving as a backstop in case justice tomorrow mace's wish of overturning obergefeld is overturned. it says to states, you must recognize same-sex marriages if they were done is. if bergefeld goes away, 35 laws have same-sex marriage bans in their constitutions. when will row verizons wade,ment moment same-sex marriage is

declared, say nick and i move back to his home state of north dakota. north dakota bans same-sex marriage in its constitution and by state law. north dakota would have to recognize our marriage, however, if we had a gay couple, friends from north dakota in a post obergefeld world, they would have to leave north dakota, go to california prks they would have to leave north dakota, go to one of those places, get married and then return home in order for north dakota to recognize their marriage. that's not -- that's a burden. that is a financial burden on those couples. and then there's some religious

things. the only saving grace is those provisions are just reiterations of current law. they don't make any new law. in the end to my mind the respect for marriage act is like an had a insurance policy. >> the question i put to chasten shall. 2014 is calling. it wankts the marriage equality date back. we are only here because justice clarence thomas threatened to do this. shall. >> it seems to reveal two things, activism, something they

said they cared about in their senate confirmations and this is outside the mainstream. whab do we do about that? >> you know, quite honest will he, i'm still trying to figure that out. and roe v wade has been on the books for almost 350 years. when aleve tow draft was looked o. just as alito's argument put obergefeld when the official ruling came out and jimps tis thomas concurs and says, by the way, we should look at oweberg ga felled, lawrence and griswold

and access to contraseptemberion by mir read. all of those please dents. so they bubble pump slightly early. that's why i'm at a loss other than some sort of reform toot supreme court. i'm not sure who i we safeguard those rights. >> >> matt, i think this is the biggest story and the most under covered story. but the fact of the matter is in their own words they are after those rights that jonathan capehart just articulated by

their own telling. this isn't some conspiracy theory. and the radicalization of the united states supreme court. the truth is roe and kasey and oberg -- >> these why all going with it. the radicalization of the supreme court means that on these big issues that affect american rights, they are as jonathan just said, this is an ideological design on the courts. what do we do? >> well, i have a couple of things about this which i think is fascinating. i'm glad jonathan brought up interracial marriage. this was an instance, which is unusual in the last 2 -- how it led to you spilling and -- -- i wasn't long ago the democrats

voted and pres bill linton signed it. the two major candidates were opposed. barack obama and hillary clinton. they understand the constitutional freedom and rights were there. only 20 or 25% of the country was facing international. >> i would say it's not solely about the supreme court. what i think is happening at the supreme court in the course of

this, this complete okay cue cu occupation. it's why we ended up with the dobbs decision. all of these the republican party. there's an element. the vast majority of the base of the republican party, which ultimately it sends us supreme court justices when republicans are in power. think don't mind running over constitutional building. they don't need what they're following this area as a christ

yang nation at its core. we have to deal well with nationalists. >> the vast majority of voters are not cool with that. the red wave was averted. >> it's absolutely -- >> sorry, matt. let me bring iisha in. >> i have to say, this does -- i'm listening to matt walk through the history here, too. the it feels like the district of columbia's marriage equality campaign. we end the up winning and the city council became great. we are getting excited about

very incremental progress. it's because, nicole, we are a democracy, a nation down that to include more. having full and equal civil rates in this country. the religious fundamentalists, a variety of stripes but until we passed the equality act which will ultimately give lgpp mp period, full stop. regards to pregnancy, people we are going to be a nation that discriminates against people.

increments. my parge is protected as an the getting harried and do we think that everyone is truly deserving of par tigging in what other capacity claims. >> i think what you're all saying a version of is, yes, this is good news. yes, this is a good day. iisha you and jonathan have been fighting. there is a treadmill mark of it. the we need to sneak in a quick break. coming up later in our program, record early voting numbers in georgia with six days to go before the runoff there. president obama due to hit the campaign trail for senator warnock tomorrow. there are questions today about

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american understand. they know that when we take the opposite view we act against our best traditions, against our

highest ideals. as a nation we will never flourish if we choose to depend on a permanent underclass deprived of some or all of the rights and freedoms others enjoy. free people do not remain freebie denying freedom to others. >> back with jonathan, matt and iisha. matt, i have covered in the last hour the latestbility continue from dhs. it warns of a threat of violence, domestic violent extremists. i'm not saying a vote against marriage equality is causal but it exists in the same pit of a threat environment against a targeted and vulnerable community. what do you think of that? >> i'm not surprised at all because we've watched this go

on. >> i've said hateful thoughts lead to hateful words which lead to some people who may or may not be crazy lead to hateful actions. we've seen it over and over and over. any time a politician uses hateful words to a group, the natural thing that happens is people out there get permission in their own mind that they're going to do something about it. then when you couple it -- i don't mean to go back to what i said before. when you go back to this idea that they're divinely inspired to be doing this, to take away people's freedoms to do these things against groups, then that's a brew, a toxic brew that leads to violence in this. i'll give you another thing that goes to this that's concerning. there was a poll out, nicole, this morning where they asked a whole series of groups if citizens thought they were discriminated against, lgbtq, muslims, blacks, jews.

the vast majority of the country said, yes, they are discriminated against. you know the only two groups republicans were discriminated begins were whites and christians. they don't think blacks are discriminated against, they don't think muslims are discriminated against but what they do think is christians and whites which is fascinating since 85 perfection percent are levers. the people are imaginening what's going on.

it's a big knot of twine. what does that look like, jonathan? >> you know what, listening to matt and in answer to your question, nicole, i don't think we would be having this wrenching conversation if donald trump had been stopped in his tracks after his campaign announcement speech where he said mexicans were rapists. instead, republicans fell in lean. they rallied around him. no one of any kind of stature did it repeatedly and then the guy gets elected president of the united states. so now a man who are, you know, was fine with spouting, you know, white supremacist talking points, easily saying racist things, that's coming from the oval office and not the senate majority leader at the time

would say anything about the president saying this is not -- this isn't appropriate. you shouldn't be saying this. the point i'm trying to make is as long as people in power with power and stature stay lie sent in the face of rhetoric like that from the highest office of the land, no one should be surprised by the level of threat against people who are not white and not christian and not straight. we also shouldn't be surprised that republicans and christians and whites feel like they are the victims of whatever it is they think they're victims of because the former occupant of the oval office took the lid off the roiling rages that were in this country and just gave them permission to feel aggrieved and to feel empowered by their aggrievement. so now here we are with the super majority on the supreme

court willing to take a sledge hammer to constitutional rights, to people feeling like they have a right to threaten people who aren't american but without us there wouldn't be an america. without all of us, i mean. >> iisha, yes, it happened when he rode down the escalator but it happened yesterday too. they brought themselves tomorrow condemn ye, nick fuentesfuentes they didn't say this disqualifies donald trump from running in the party. mitch mcconnell's current position is if donald trump is the leader, is the nominee for the republican party in 2024, he's got mitch mcconnell's vote. by the way, donald trump takes after mitch mcconnell's wife elaine chow with incredibly

racist attacks. >> which is so mind blowing that mitch mcconnell, but the republicans at large care so much more about holding on to power for themselves that they will ret the former president of the united states desecrate their spouse to hold on to their own power. there's another piece of this though. while the politics matter and what we are repeating in the media that they've said, the other piece are the platforms that have risen up that have allowed the late hate, the lies, the misinformation, the disinformation and all of the vileness that had been pushed to the underbelly of our society to then spread and be mainstreamed. you've got so many social media platforms and the way media is

moving that is unchecked so people are believing what is reinforced to them that they already believe and they think that it is the majority and that it is true and that a lot of people agree with them when, in fact, it may be few in numbers. the way these systems are designed is that it reinforces the deep, dark ugly that we used to push to the margins. i think we've got to have a conversation about why republicans won't come out and speak out against donald trump and all the things that he has to say that incite violence in this country. i think we also need to hold social media platforms accountable to propagating the lies and the myths and the falseness that also invokes hate and creates a platform for people to gather and organize too do harm. >> yeah. this is another uniquely american crisis, right? the eu is looking at banning twitter if it doesn't bring back some of the safety moderation. we're not having anything close to that conversation here in this country. to be continued, please.

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with just six days to go until election day in georgia, georgians have been turning out in record numbers to vote early in the runoff election for the state senate seat between senator raphael warnock and herschel walker. gabe sterling tweeted that more than 309,000 people voted. more than 830,000 in total already cast their ballots. both campaigns are in full swing as they race down the wire to win the senate seat that will see democrats expand their senate seat. vaughn hilliard in georgia. what are you hearing? >> there are so many variables at play. one of those, if we may, is --

one former president will be campaigning in the state of georgia and that is tomorrow. it's the former democratic president, barack obama. the former republican president, donald trump, he will not be making a campaign appearance. the irony of it is that in fact warnock's campaign is currently running a television ad featuring donald trump at his 2024 presidential announcement at mar-a-lago just two weeks ago touting his relationship with republican herschel walker here. when we talk about where georgia has gone, it says a lot about the individuals that are coming out to support these folks. also the way in which brian kemp has become a late player here. you'll recall that brian kemp who drew the ire of donald trump after he certified the 2020 election results. he ran his own gubernatorial campaign and defeated stacey abrams. he stayed away from her shell walker during the general

election. he's cut his own ad in calling herschel walker, if you may, a partner that is needed here. suddenly it's donald trump who georgia republicans are no longer turning be to for help in the closing days of this runoff. in fact, it is brian kemp who they are turning to and could be ultimately, if herschel walker were to pull this off, really the savior in this race. >> but the reason walker is in this situation, what i understand from greg bluestein, is that 200,000 people who voted for kemp did not vote for walker. the crossover vote wasn't there in november. what has changed for the walker candidacy? >> reporter: not much has changed. the question is could the likes of a brian kemp potentially convince those 200,000 georgians that say, hey, give him a shot. we're talking about a six-year term. do you want a conservative representing you on a capitol hill? this is a conservative state. i think governor kemp's election

results would indicate that.tha. there was 80,000 individuals in the u.s. senate race that voted for the libertarian. another 15,000 plus didn't vote in the senate race at all. raphael warnock bested herschel walker by 38,000 votes in the runoff here. walker's seen as hopeful that also at this go around you'll recall in 2020 there was a president of the united states that questioned whether voting would matter and you had lynwood stumping around georgia and their votes wouldn't matter. you don't see that at play here now. at the same time, it is a mistake to suggest that democrats will not show up in a runoff because if you go back to 2020 again, jon ossoff, he gained 143,000 votes, a net gain of 143,000 votes from the general election to his runoff on january 5th of 2021. that was because democrats and

particularly black voters turned out in a greater share than republicans and white voters in the state of georgia. that's what democrats are trying to do now. the other difficult part here is the fact that there are fewer early voting days. that's where you reference the record number of early voters showing up over the course of the particularly last 48 hours. they need those numbers over the next three days in order to be huge to give them some cushion and allow them to feel a little bit better heading into tuesday. there's a lot of factors here at play. we should note that herschel walker is trying to win the base of trump voters. he was here in rural dalton. he's traveling here an hour from now. he'll be holding a rally in the hometown of marjorie taylor greene, nicole. >> viewers would quibble as georgia being described as a conservative state when president biden won it by 11,000 votes. it's a purple state ossoff and warnock would feel that way too. i want to ask you where herschel

walker lives. i know there's a financial disclosure today that says that his atlanta residence is being used as a rental property up to 2021. does he live there? >> reporter: well, just earlier this year our friends over at cnn found some audio of which herschel walker acknowledged to a crowd in january that he considered himself to be a texan and that he lived in texas, in his own words. his wife is the one that owns the property here in georgia. they were renting it out according to public records. they were renting it out as late as 2021. we have not seen his driver's license at this time but per georgia state law he had to have shown back last august of 2021 some sort of identification, georgia identification to have registered here which he did in august of 2021 before launching his bid. technically he is a george began at least according to voting records here. one in which, yes, his history

maybe question he's been much of a george began 2009 the time he was playing football here and becoming a senator. >> vaughn hillyard always over the facts. thank you so much for spending some time with us today. when we come back, we're going to pick up on something we learned on this program today from our guest bobby gosh after the men's united states soccer team. we learned that some iranians in the streets of tehran were celebrating the american victory as a demonstration against the islamic republic. one of the inspirations for the ongoing protests over women's rights and human rights in iran will be here to help us make sense of it after a quick break. don't go anywhere.

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which is increasingly violently brutally cracking down on protesters. the protests are now in the third month and pose most serious challenge and threat to the those ocrattic regime in decades. joining us is the iran ran america journalist and activist, one of the leaders who has inspired this protest. tell me about the celebrations. >> it was unbelievable. i pride myself, i was happy when the americans scored the goal, i was screaming, but i was not sure whether to celebrate it or not, but immediately i received videos from people from the hometown and people were dancing

after, like, three months of receiving, you know, like bad news, killings, torturing, imprison. finally people are saying we're happy the american football players kicked out the football team of 9 islamic republic so what happens to the team? >> i'm sure you heard that many people, but the second round, all the football players, they started singing the national anthem. i'm sure the iranian regime put a lot of pressure to aislen them, but at the same time teenager and school girls are getting killed in iran. they could threats show solidarity with the members of those people who got killed in

juan. they diplomat. like well-known players, who lives inside iran, they did the best to stand on the right side of history, to support the iranian people they met with ra millennium before going to the world cup. they're under pressure, but protesters are under pressure. >> you don't think iran should have been in the world cup at all? >> imagine it was you being kicked out from a stadium just of being a woman in america, what would have been your reaction? what would have been your demand? >> i think that giving them the stage, i completely agree. i think it's unfortunate for the athletes that geopolitics interfere, but it's wholly inappropriate -- >> what kind of unfortunate when

they see sisters, mothers, daughters are not allowed to go to the stadium. it's been 14 years. athletes are getting killed, athletes are in prison. sports, fifa, world cup, is all about human rights. it's all about manner, dignity, no? but we see that half of the population are being kicked out from a stadium. it's a -- during south africa, president biden was because of apartheid, no? what is different? i love the american soccer players hugging players, america and iran could be good friends. the only problem is the islamic republic. i grew up in a village in school that i had been told,

brainwashed like millions of other people, saying death to america, say it loud so the white house can hear you. now people are saying death to the islamic republic. >> how did it happen? and what do we owe them in return? >> look, from the city of -- kurdish city, that people actually got killed, large number of people got killed, one of main was, like, america, america, we are behinds you. we want america to do the same, stand like, you know, with the people of iran, because the iranian people are getting killed right now, and they have a simple demand -- do not recognize our murders. i mean, president biden, secretary blinken should made a strong statement, saying we are with you, we're going to stop the nuclear deal. they have to clearly say that this is a revolution, we want to be part of it. i don't ask them to bring regime change for iranians, but while

we're doing it ourselves, it's not too much to ask call your allies to, you know, kick out all the diplomats from the western countries close their embassy. this is the time secretary clinton, mrs. obama can call for international rights for iranian women. >> thank you so much for being here. >> my pleasure. a quick break for us, and we will be right back. k for us, ane will be right back

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