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you've been all over the world. you and i have talked about freedom. we've talked about the battle in the past six years between western democracy and illiberal democracy, and emmanuel macron, it was beautiful when he was speaking last night, talking about going back to lafayette and washington and what they were fighting for and what values they shared and what values we share today, and he eloquently, without naming names but he said in his country and in our country, there are illiberal forces. we are worried about russia, china, illiberal forces across the world, but he said in your country and my country they

exist. warnock hates western democracy and has said as much. president putin, the same. and you have the head of the heritage foundation praising -- and other republicans praising a man who says yes, illiberalism, it sounds great, doesn't it. what was beautiful last night is you've got presidents of two countries saying this is a battle we're in, and as i heard them talking, it was just one of those moments, i said, my god, we always win this wartime and again. we, the people, we, the people, we always win in the end. >> i think last night was remarkable and those words do matter. >> thank you. >> at the end of the day, this is our oldest ally. france is our oldest ally. one of the things that's interesting is behind the

scenes, even during the darkest times, there is bilateral intelligence and security cooperation. we've had that. france has been incredible partners in counterterrorism. but what was refreshing is now this is out and open and over and something the world wanted to see. >> no doubt about it. congresswoman, talking about our relationship -- >> congresswoman mikie sherrill is here. >> -- even at the height of anti-americanism during the iraq war, when the french were working against us in the united nations and things got very tense, i would talk to people in the intel community and they'd say, the french, they're professionals, they are our friends, let the politicians fight. these are allies we have to have in the war on terror because they're shoulder to shoulder with us. >> i was serving in the united kingdom at that time and working with the french at that time,

the french military on some different relationships, and, yes, they've always been an ally. we have had our disagreements politically, but i think when you talk about the nations in the world that share our view of democracy, you know -- it's the french, the united kingdom, our allies that have been with us for decades, for centuries, actually, as you mentioned. and i know because i represent the heart of the american revolution in new jersey in morristown. so these are allies that are so important to us, and i think what struck me when i went to brussels in the lead-up to the war in ukraine, it was a couple weeks before the war started, and we were going there to really kind of take the temperature of our alliances in the aftermath of the trump administration, the previous administration, which had done a lot to undermine those alliances. so to go there and to make sure

we were all in, you know, unity on this, in this fight as we led up to the invasion of ukraine, and when i went to the nato headquarters, when i was in brussels with the eu parliament, this sense of almost relief that the united states was back at the table, that the united states was once again willing to lead, because we saw in those years when the united states had taken a step back from that table, no one else stemmed up to lead our democracies. >> right. >> nobody else seemed to be able to do that. so it really was wonderful to see last night again just a continued reassertment of our alliances with our allies. >> with apologies to absolutely no one, i would say we are the indispensable country to step up with our allies. we can't do it without our allies. that's what was so great about last night. talking to the french

delegation, also understanding that joe biden and emmanuel macron were comfortable enough with each other that they went in, they had very direct and very blunt conversations as good friends do. and they put it on the line about their disagreements, and they said, okay, let's get people working on this. >> right. what grown-ups do. >> that's what grown-ups do. >> instead of donald trump, i'll say his name, instead of pushing people around and photo-ops, instead of having handshaking contests with macron, you have grown-ups sitting there -- we have these disagreements. all right. we're not going to have our people work -- we're going to come together as the two oldest alliances. >> a year mar-a-lago last fall, the relationship with france went through a bumpy time after we canceled the submarines that they were building and after afghanistan and, you know, for

whatever reason the allies felt blind-sided by that even though we all knew that was what joe biden was going to do, but these relationships built on principles of democracy that were upheld in our country, upheld by -- shown by macron being re-elected. that's what continues to bind the country together. just to think about the beginning of last year when we saw that what was likely to happen in ukraine and people thinking is the united states up to this, can they lead after afghanistan, people aren't so sure. and can the nato alliance hold. and to see after the midterms we had those two presidents standing together to reaffirm democracy, reaffirm these republic values is reassuring. and then meanwhile the republican congress -- republican house wants to defund ukraine. defund zelenskyy. they think that's the winning issue and, like, the

juxtaposition between that leadership you see at the white house versus, you know, the her thing they want to do is investigate hunter biden. like -- >> here we go. jen palm merry joins us, co-host of "the circus" on show time. >> the republicans in the senate, so many are horrified by what's happening with the republicans in the house. the problem for republicans is the whack jobs in the house that are going to make kevin mccarthy's life difficult because he doesn't know how to control them, those whack jobs are going to define the republican party over the next two years leading into '24. >> i think the message of the day yesterday was, you know, a respect and a love for democracy, a unity that, you know, it felt like a long time coming, the entire day, the events, the conversations, and the partnerships that were being built in open -- you know, for

everyone's eyes to see. there was one more moving moment from president macron's visit yesterday where he awarded medals to five american world war ii veterans at the french embassy in washington, d.c. this was actually on wednesday. the legion of honor award, the highest honor in france was given to the veterans for the role they played in liberating france during the war. macron praised each veteran for their service and pinned medals on them. in a twitter post, he listed the names of the five veterans and wrote, "you came to fight 80 years ago from the other side of the atlantic to ensure our shared ideals and faith in democracy would triumph. france will be eternally grateful." >> so, marc, in 2004, at the height of anti-americanism in france, i discovered a few things about france. i'd been there once in high

school on a trip. i did not leave a fan of france. very hostile towards americans, especially during the reagan era. we went to paris first before we went to normandy and every parisian stumbled over themselves to say listen, listen, we love you, we love americans. we don't like your war, your president, but very surprised by that because the french sort of standoffish and reserved, but they wanted us to know we're together. normandy, one of the most moving things i'd ever seen, veterans, 60th anniversary, guys walking in some of the final years of their life, you could tell, maybe final months of their life, and walking towards the cemetery. and as they were ambling toward the cemetery, young french families came up, and the children had flowers and handed them the flowers. still all these years later it's

hard to say without tearing up. and they said thank you. my parents have told us we're free because of you. american flags flying from every home in normandy. it was just a beautiful, beautiful celebration of that. we saw it again with president macron and those heroes. >> you know, when we kind of look at the alliances around the world, you know, there's some that are transactional and some that can be new. there are some that are foundational. this is a foundational relationship. >> yes. >> i look back again at my career, mostly running counterterrorism operations around the world. the french were incredible partners. nobody really knows this, but behind the scenes we worked so closely with the french because of the shared values and ideals. there are americans alive today because of french counterterrorism. so i think for a lot us it is something that -- last night was something that was meaningful, and of course it goes back to world war ii. reaffirming. >> reaffirming. >> there are some americans that

are live because of the french, including my grandfather. before he passed away, he was rescued by the free french when he was shot down in world war ii. so, to go to normandy on the 75th anniversary and to see the graves there and to see what was sort of amazing was to see all of the jeeps, the jeeps that have been restored that we just left there after world war ii. it's amazing because there are hundreds of them throughout normandy as they celebrate, and to imagine the effort that went in to freeing the french and making sure they were able to, with the resistance, to take back their country from the germans, is really shocking, and to see the dedication to remembering that. they do world war ii reenactments much like we do re-enactmentings of the revolutionary or the civil war, so to see the paratroopers come

in and my friend jason crow. >> so fun. >> he told general milley, i would love to jump in, and the general said we can make that happen. then he said why did i say that? jumping out of airplanes. but he did that that day. >> cool. >> amazing. >> we want to turn to this morning's breaking economic news. the november jobs report showing 263,000 jobs were added last month. ton employment rate held steady at 3.7%. and wall street is reacting with a big sell-off before the bell. dow futures drop more than 400 points in a matter of minutes. the nasdaq is down hundreds of points as well. let's bring in nbc news senior business analyst, the host of "the 11th hour" on msnbc, stephanie ruhle. the host of "way too early," jonathan lemire is still with us as well. >> stephanie, there's a reason i don't work on wall street, because we have to make announcements, good news, and

good news is always followed by wall street crashing, bad news followed by wall street going up. for a simple country lawyer like me -- >> what is going on? -- >> it's hard to keep up with, but this economy is showing such resilience still. >> it is. joe scarborough, you are absolutely not a simple country lawyer. let's not start with that. >> whatever. >> you are a complicated man. >> wow. >> it's as though businesses, it's as though they are not hearing the fed that's saying slow down to the economy. remember, the fed has raised interest rates six times this year. so for wall street, they don't want to see interest rates go up again. why? because that means it's more expensive to borrow, more expensive to operate. however, for you and me out there, the jobs picture remains strong. we are seeing strong hiring across the majority of sectors. we're seeing wages go up. so, yes, inflation is a problem. it's a struggle. but for people out there, one could say, guess what, there's a job out there for you, possibly

two. the one caveat i would make here, while the fed is trying to slow the economy down, we had a huge labor shortage before the pandemic. that labor shortage continues today so kind of matching the two is complicated. >> it's fascinating. you talk about jobs, jonathan lemire, ronald reagan always had a line, he said a recession is when your neighbor is out of work, a depression is when you're out of work. as we're trying to sort through this last election in 2022 and people talk a lot about inflation, yes, inflation is a real challenge for working-class americans, middle-class americans, but when jobs are so plentiful, nobody's thinking this is a depression or a recession. and that's the thing. the job market remains strong. consumer confidence going up. consumer spending going up. this economy, jay powell's biggest problem, the economy is too resilient. it's hard to cool it down.

>> slow and steady growth. that's the message from the white house throughout this period. i'm sure we'll hear back from the president when he speaks later this morning. stephanie ruhle, take a step back here and put in context the american economy, because how do you square the great job numbers we're seeing here, saw the futures board in red, tech companies and other companies lay a ton of people off, you know, interest rates -- inflation has cooled but still high, interest rates keep going up but less than they were, it's all pretty confusing. explain this. >> two things. first thing, you bring up a really important point. there are so many headlines in the last two weeks about these huge layoffs in the tech sector. that hasn't really been captured in this backward-looking jobs report. we will likely see it as we move forward. the fact we're seeing all these layoffs in the tech sector is noteworthy because they had such a massive hiring boom over the last ten years in large part because of the stock market, because of interest rates, right. the valuations of these companies were so high, right,

interest rates were so lit, growth, growth, growth mode, and now they're cutting back because they need to, because it makes sense. now, when you say the economy doesn't make sense to me, how is it we can have inflation, people struggling and things are still booming? it's because, jonathan, we have two economies. we have an enormous country. people don't seem to like to say that, right? is the economy good or bad? it's two things. it was this way before the pandemic and it's the same way now. people who are living on the midlevel or higher up, white collar jobs, we saved money, still saved money and we are out there spending. think about travel. try to book a plane ticket right now. enormously expensive. but white collar jobs people have the money, they're racking up the credit card debt and spending that money. unfortunately, people on the lower end of the economic scale who were suffering before are suffering even more now. that's the problem.

we are a country divided by greed. >> stephanie ruhle, thank you very much. we appreciate your coming in early this morning. we'll be watching "the 11th hour" weeknights on msnbc. thanks, steph. >> we talk about the resilience of the economy, look at the fact that gdp grew at almost 3%. that's good. that's good. but you compare it to the rest of the world, compare it to europe, it's great. >> yeah. this is the, like, slow and steady progression of, you know -- for the economic recovery, slow and steady progress across the board for biden and legislative accomplishments, it's, like, press the advantage now. like normal wins, right? >> right. >> we have learned that globally. we have learned that at home that normal wins. and as republicans are, you know, doing all this crazy oversight investigations, you know what democrats know how to do?

eviscerate republicans when all they focus on is fake made-up scandals. we're really good at it. we have a lot of experience doing that. do that. so, fine. >> please, go ahead, republicans, you want to defend insurrectionists, weirdos, freaks, they're trying to overthrow the gover january 6th, that's what you want to do with your three-person, four-person -- go ahead. you'll get just absolutely slaughtered in the polls two years from now. >> yeah. it's such an unbelievable layup for democrats. i mean, not to discount all the actual policy challenges and the misgotten opportunities, opportunities you won't have because democrats are in charge of the congress, but my god, you come in and the first thing you say when you get the majority is you're going to investigate hunter biden, that's your number-one priority. i thought that must not be what kevin mccarthy said. that must be old.

but, no, that's what they -- >> the second thing they're going to do is investigate the mistreatment of insurrectionists. >> january 6th -- yeah. >> rioters. >> i have talked with marjorie taylor greene about this. this is a very big concern and priority. >> and democrats should say thank god because, again, they're walking right into the trap. >> what is the take-away from the election? it's normal wins. so, you know, congresswoman will have to do this, democrats will have to point out what the republicans are doing and how crazy it is. but then press the advantage on the progress that you're making on the economy with all the caveats of it's not good enough, not fast enough, but, like, you have the opportunity to prove your proof of concept that this is working. >> you look at the d.o.d. bill some republicans are talking about holding up because of vaccine mandates. they've had vaccine mandates forever. now they're talking about doing this because of the covid vaccine mandate. we talk so much about this issue

and there's so much back and forth and both sidism, you look at the polls, the majority of americans say we like how the democrats handled covid a lot better than the flat earthers are handling it. >> it's also something so overtly political. you're exactly right. i can't tell you -- i was just talking to another service member about his experience going overseas and my experience going overseas, and you'd have doctors and nurpss on either side of you just jabbing you with vaccines and god knows what. and that is what you do because we need a fighting course. >> yeah. >> we don't need what happened under theodore roosevelt where everyone went down with covid. we couldn't keep that ship up. the republicans would be the first group of people screaming if in a republican administration democrats had overturned a d.o.d. order, standing order by the department of defense. i think this is a slippery slope. i think this is bad precedent.

but this is -- you know, we have to get our defense bill passes do we'll see. >> congresswoman mikie sherrill, thank you very much. >> thanks. >> we really appreciate it. still ahead, closing arguments are under way in the trump organization tax fraud trial. we'll get a live report from outside the courthouse in new york city. and team usa faces off with the netherlands tomorrow, hoping to reach the world cup quarterfinals for the first time in two decades. rebecca lowe of -- i can't believe, is she going to be on "morning joe"? >> that's what i hear. >> rebecca lowe of nbc sports joins was a preview on "morning joe."

it's 28 past the hour. welcome back to "morning joe." time for a look at the morning papers. in florida, the "pensacola news journal" reports that governor ron desantis will publish a book next year amid increasing speculation that he will run for president in 2024. the memoir entitled "the courage to be free: florida's blueprint for america's revival" -- >> wait. what? revival? i think we're doing pretty damn good right now. >> released in february. it will detail the governor's years serving in the military and government. >> it's crazy. >> i need to get to rebecca lowe. >> they're talking that america sucks. >> it doesn't suck. >> mark rubio has some book out, i forget what it's called. it's like why do they hate america? >> i don't know. >> our economy is strong.

our military is strong. >> strongest. >> strongest in the world. >> in the world. >> exactly. >> you just saw the independent mail reporting that former south carolina governor nikki haley will be evaluating a potential 2024 presidential bid over the holidays. she said if we decide to get into it, we will put in 1,000% and finish it. >> our next guest. >> rebecca lowe? >> yeah. the thing is, rebecca lowe, you know -- >> oh, my god. >> -- how sometimes you may get some great football players, great legends that will come on and they don't want to talk about current players because there's this competition, right? well, mika has been in the broadcasting business for 30 years. >> for forever. >> she doesn't hand out compliments. i wake up every saturday morning screaming at tv sets, and mika is, like, what are you doing? and she walks through the room and she sees you and she's

transfixed. >> yes. >> my god, who is she? >> she's so good. >> then she sit downs and says, so, here's mika, who doesn't hand out a lot of compliments and after, like, five seconds of seeing you, she says, she's an incredible broadcaster. so, you bring mika to watching premier league football. >> i'm a fan of rebecca lowe. your biggest fan. >> mika. oh, my goodness. mika, right back at you both. joe, mika, this is such a pleasure to be on the joe this morning. thank you so much for having me. >> oh, my god. >> it is so great. and i really do -- we spend saturday morning, sunday mornings with you. >> i love her voice. >> the two to robbies. you guys are the absolute best. so let's talk about usa soccer. alex shepherd wrote this great piece saying i'll admit it, i hate watching american soccer, i hate watching american football, but this team, this team finally

belongs there. i don't have to make apologies for them. my god, how fun is it watching these guys do what, well, what the women have been doing for american soccer for some time? >> joe, you're right. it's been so fun, except when they played england. i have to say that wasn't particularly fun for me to watch. i'm a little bit split. i have a little boy who's born in america, so i do love this u.s. team but obviously coming from england, that was my number one. but watching the likes pulisic and tyler. look at them fly. they need to find somebody maybe over than pulisic who can get on the score sheet because goals have been hard to come by for them in qatar. but they're into the last 16. you know what, they're playing against the netherlands, a team that over the years have been full of history, full of

wonderful players, but this netherlands team, i'm not so sure usa can't beat them. i actually think the u.s. are going to go through the quarterfinals, which would be utter magic and do so much for the game of football in the u.s. >> that would be amazing. again, just total -- beautiful football. it comes from the netherlands, but also they're such -- in the past at least, such head cases, back to '74. hopefully they'll be head cases here. they have virgil van dijk, a liverpool man, but he'll make it tough. >> that brilliant documentary you did when you went to england, that was so fun to watch about english football. >> that was so great. >> wasn't it good, mika? >> yes. >> exactly. virgil and how much they love him over in liverpool and of course in holland as well. he's not going to be easy for

that american front line to get through, but the other issue they have at the other end of the field, like they say it's not a holland or netherlands team of brilliant standing but they have a danger man in kobe, who is scoring goals at the other end of the field for holland so far this world cup. manchester united have their eye on him. i think he'll be going to the premier league at some point, probably in january even after the world cup wraps up. the united states have definitely got a difficult task without a doubt, but the players in this u.s. team, the likes of tim ream at the back, who plays in the center half role, 35 years old, and playing like he's 25. i'm not sure anyone saw that coming. they've got players to come off the bench who are young and fresh and fast and exciting. and then of course they have christian pulisic. it won't be easy. don't get me wrong. i've just got a feeling, this u.s. team has something about it. its youth i think what is mainly so exciting about this young

team. >> this has been a world cup with so many shocks, a heck of a lot of draws because the teams have had a lot of time to gel together before coming into the world cup, but let's talk about one match yesterday that just crazy. for a few minutes it looked like japan could possibly knock spain and germany out of the tournament. at the end of the day, it was just them knocking germany out of the tournament, but what a remarkable match. i just got to ask, was the ball out or not? >> joe, i am still stressing out about that ball. i have looked at every possible camera angle i can. i don't think it was out, but -- between the england national team and the german national team, and this ball was the reason why germany went out of the world cup, i'm okay with it, i'm okay with it. >> oh, my god. >> it looks so out, doesn't it? >> it was so out. >> it was so out.

but japan have been nothing short of magnificent at this tournament, and i'll give you two reasons off the field why i love japan to go through, one, because their team cleans up their locker rooms afterwards. no other team cleans up their locker rooms and sweeps the floor. and yesterday after the game against spain, the fans cleaned up after themselves in the stadium. >> oh, my god. >> what? >> never seen before. i know. god bless them. right? let japan go all the way. >> i'm telling you that's some ocd cleaning that i can relate to. i like that very much. >> he does. >> rebecca, we talked with roger bennett, who of course now -- >> we canvassed him. >> poor rog, like so many brits, everybody who's a brit, a self-hating brit. every time i would talk about english football and i always cheer on england because they're the guys that i watch week in and week out, he always has a gloomy forecast. do you have any good news for those of us who will also be cheering on england?

>> well, i think -- >> oh, my gosh. >> i'm struggling. i'm not struggling. i'm trying to be positive. this is the way we are as britds. >> yes. >> so i have -- it's how we're built. half of me -- actually not half of me, let's be honest, about 10% of me is thinking this could be our year, this could be our year because look at all these amazing young players. and then the rest of me, most of me, is thinking, senegal on sunday have got so much motivation, they could shock us. so if we can be brave all the talent we have, maybe the best in 15, 20 years, if garrett can be brave, play the best player in the team, not just who he wants to play, who he thinks he should play, who might be the safest to play, but the best players, then i think we can go far. i just don't know if he's brave enough. >> ah. >> let's bring up roger bennett

one more time. as rog always says, last word on our show every week, courage. show some courage. >> yes. >> rebecca lowe. >> yes, rog. >> thank you very much for coming on the show today. it's so nice to meet you on the air. i want to see you in person someday. we'll have you on the set. >> that would be lovely. >> check out her podcast "after the whistle." >> it's fantastic. >> team usa kicks off tomorrow against the netherlands. coming up, judging by the midterm results, democrats did something right in managing their message, but can they keep it up? we'll speak with the new communications co-chair, joe neguse. and we'll catch you up on the trump organization fraud trial with a live report from outside the federal courthouse in new york city. "morning joe" will be right back.

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42 past the hour. any moment closing arguments are expected to resume in the trump organization's tax fraud trial in a new york state courtroom. the organization is accused of a sweeping 15-year scheme to compensate top executives of former president donald trump's company off the books. let's go to the courthouse. nbc news investigative correspondent tom went sr. -- winter is there. what's the latest? >> reporter: good morning. as you said, closing arguments expected to resume any moment now with the prosecution going, so it's little different than the federal system in state court at new york. the defense goes first then the prosecution has a chance to make their final remarks to the jury and kind of put it all together for them in a condition they hope for here, which won't result in jail time for anybody but will result potentially if convicted in fines just shy of $1.6 million. yesterday the defense really putting this on allen

weisselberg, the now convicted cfo of the trump organization, an important reminder, he's still on the trump organization payroll, so he's up for a half a million-dollar bonus in january that he says when he was testifying that he's hoping to get. for weisselberg, they say this is the guy who did this, did it for his own greed, using the word greed several times, echoing something weisselberg said himself on the stand and really trying to put it on him basically saying this guy was trying to line his pocket, we were giving him perks, it was up to him to essentially pay the taxes. that's where this all went south. on top of that, the trump organization was spending $2.5 million a year to donald bender to make sure we were on the right side of the law. you also didn't see any corporate records that were put forth here and surely the d.a.'s office would have done that. then the prosecution taking the podium 3:19 yesterday afternoon in saying, look, you have to look at a couple different

things here. allen weisselberg is the cfo. he's the person that's pulling the levers. and under new york state law you have to find that one of the people that was involved in which was in a, quote, high managerial position. how much higher can you be than the organization's cfo? and how could you say they don't have a benefit when they avoided these payroll taxes swell having to pay people additional money to cover those taxes? so that's really where this is centering and i expect we'll hear more about that shortly. >> nbc's tom winter, thank you. i want to get to jen palmeri in a moment about any political ramifications but first the state attorney for palm beach county, florida. what's at stake for donald trump? what do you expect to see happen? >> it's just money, a civil matter. >> corruption, right? >> you have to believe the irs will be watching because there are federal tax issues at play here and the irs has been silent. if there's any future criminal convictions or charges from this it would be from the feds, not

from the state. but here they're trying to push everything on allen weisselberg saying he's the bad guy here, did it on his own. >> that's vintage trump. >> it is. i thought they were going to call a coffee boy. he has a kabuki dance because on one side they're saying he's the bad guy but he's still on the payroll. he'll have a job with the organization after this is over. on one end they're punching him in the face metaphorically speaking on the stand while they're patting him on the back in secret. >> whoa. that's rather weird. so, a jury decides. what are the consequences here? >> just like $1.6 million in fines. it's not that big of a deal. but it would be an embarrassment and it could lead to perhaps some criminal charges down the road federally. but really the big existential threat to donald trump is in the mar-a-lago document situation. >> there we go. >> this is child's play compared to that. >> let's talk about that because a big setback for donald trump with the special master and the

decision by judge cannon being completely halted. jen, first of all, does it matter to trump voters, are they following this? i mean, you've been on the road with a number of republican members of congress who are still very much in the trump camp. where does this stand? >> it's weird and funny because i thought this would be very motivating for trump voters because there's a whole field of legal action against him now. there's this case for the trump organization. don't forget what letitia james is up to in new york, you can't do business in new york city anymore, that the trump organization can't do that, plus you have this -- plus you have the very serious mar-a-lago documents, criminal indictments, like very, very serious. so, i thought this would be motivating to trump voters. one rally i went to right before

the election in dayton, trump -- they -- right before he came on stage they had a video of letitia james and how she's racist and out to get him and the fbi raid on mar-a-lago, and the crowd did not react at all. >> wow. >> i was really surprised. there was no -- there was, like, zero reaction from them. when he got up to speak, he spoke for two hours, of course, at the end of the two hours he gave his printed text remarks from the teleprompter but the rest was his personal grievance about how everyone has treated him so unfairly. it wasn't motivating. whether that keeps him from being a republican nominee, i don't know, because thus far there's -- if everyone -- marco rubio has a book coming out, kemp suggested to hilliard he may run. desantis. >> pompeo. sorry. a lot of them.

>> but no one's been willing to be the person to jump first, right. who is that person going to be? >> i don't know. >> so i can see trump -- there's a way he could make all this stuff work for him, but it hasn't materialized yet. >> i can see what it is. so the special master has been halted. what is the process moving forward? in the documents case. >> that's one major obstacle out of the way. >> maybe he could appeal and delay, delay, delay. >> he will, but the supreme court doesn't seem to go his way on personal issues like this, so he'll lose at the supreme court. to me the doj is trying to charge donald trump now that this decision happened. it will be sometime after the runoff on tuesday. i don't know when. but this is a major victory for doj and a real smackdown to judge cannon, who went out of her way to intervene in this case, and that is her lasting legacy. she's got this on her permanent record now. >> and marc, the concept of a former president facing an

indictment, strength of democracy, where does that -- >> mika, if i was, you know, back in my career in the past overseas, an embassy country team would get together and the ambassador would kind of set policy from the state department. the section heads would all kind of gather around and we'd find our way to demarche the host government. often it had to do with candidates that were corrupt or countries going through turmoil. it's fascinating. the world is watching this right now. i think what's happening and ultimately this notion of accountability is really important because we have to practice what we preach. >> we do. >> and i think it remains to be seen what will happen. i think the signs are much better than the past, that somehow there will be accountability for this. we can't go around the world preaching about the rule of law and the importance of democracy if with don't practice. >> no man is above the law. state attorney, always good to see you. nice to have you in washington.

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sometimes we can have noisy krgss, but as ke show time and time again on issue after issue after issue at the end of the day, we always come together, find the highest common denominator and get big things done for everyday americans. >> the newly elected lieder of the house democratic caucus hakeem jeffries discussing what to expect when a new wave of lawmakers takes over in the next congress. one of those democrats is colorado's joe neguse. he was elected to a new role yesterday, chairman of the house democratic policy and communications committee.

and congressman neguse joins us now. conversation on your new role. what to you think realistically you hope to accomplish in the next term? >> good morning. thank you. there's a lot we can accomplish. our deeply talented leader articulated it so well. there's much we can do to find common ground with folks on the other side of the aisle and deliver real results, but also draw the contrast given the rising extremism on the other side. we're going to tie to forge consensus where we can and tackle the most consequential issues and remain laser focused on the issues that we have been working on for the better part of the last four years, lowering costs, creating jobs for americans and building safer communities awe across our great country. >> congressman, we have been talking all morning about the dilemma the republicans have, narrow margins. there probably will be places you can work across the aisle to dwet things done. but there are some extremists,

the marjorie taylor greene of the world who are coming to positions of real prominence now in the gop. which will will soon be be in control of congress. how do you navigate that dynamic? >> you said it well. there's clearly a stark contrast when you think about the chaos, the havoc on the other side of the aisle. around the new generation of leadership and all of us remaining focused on delivering real results for the american people. it's not to say there won't be some opportunities over the next year. the farm bill reauthorization, faa reauthorization, a number of debates we'll have, but make no mistake, this is not dwight eisenhower's republican party. it's a different republican party. clearly, disinclined to work and govern from a common sense perspective. so we intend to do everything we can to deliver for our

constituents. >> good to see you. so your job is to sort of keep people focused on policy, keeping the focus on policy. you just lost the house. in the caucus, what is the mood? are people tealing? is it going to be hard to motivate people? is it going to be difficult to enact? are you feeling that people are somehow inspired after the midterms? >> it's interesting. from my perspective, folks are very excited and mission toexed about doing everything we can to regain our majority in 2024. you know this having been involved for so long in different election cycle ps this last election was outside the norm. we ultimately defied historic

norms and outperformed the expectation of every pundit in the united states by keeping the senate and democratic hands and the majority on the republican side is razor thin. far smaller than they predicted. that's in large part buzz of the record of accomplishments under president biden, the way we deliver results for the american people, the people over politics message frame we developed and the candidates and members in the house democratic caucus. some of the most talented leaders in our country. people like our new congressman from new york, i think that we will be united and we'll stick together over the course of the next 24 months. the republicans are going to be embracing the chaos, is my sense. we will govern from a place of common sense and try to make the case to the american people about the road ahead. >> congressman of colorado, thank you so much for being on.

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good morning. i'm jose diaz-balart. a very busy friday morning. minutes from now, president biden will speak inside a