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as republicans have been made to condemn trump's words and actions repeatedly over the years. but there has never been any true accountability for donald trump or reform within the party. each time it happens, it cracks the door open just a little bit more. it makes the party more inviting two races, extremists, and white supremacist. back in october, the twitter account for the house judiciary republicans posted a simple tweet. kanye,, elon trump. it was meant to herald three

popular, and culturally relevant figures who have made the right wing conservative views more explicit in recent months. the tweet was deleted to just this past thursday, by the way. while kanye west was in the middle of a three hour long interview during which he spewed violent antisemitic comments while praising not seize and adolf hitler. since masks to takeover of twitter, hate speech is increased on the platform and that's before he restored banned accounts that were run by conspiracy theorists and far-right figures. republicans will soon take back control the house. kevin mccarthy's ideas that they are prepared to investigate the january six investigation. the racism, and extremism among the ranks remains a glaring problem for the republican party. yet they still don't appear to have any meaningful plan to confront up. joining me now, michael steele. he is the former chairman of the national committee first black person to hold this position. he is since left the republican party. he's an nbc political analyst

and host of the michael steele podcast. this is a guy who has a lot of experience with this kind of stuff. michael, my friend. good to see you, as always. >> good to see you, ali. and by the way, i am still in the party because this is the mauve so. >> oh good, okay. i always wonder about. that sorry about that. it's a common question, right. because some of the people in the party did do the right thing. they did condemn it. they always condemn it mitch mcconnell said something very interesting, he said that there is no path to being elected president for someone who holds those kind of views except he seems to have missed the point that donald trump had those views and he actually did get elected president once. so maybe he is saying that there is no path again. i'm not sure believe that. >> yeah, it is very hard to believe. and that is one of those typical washington speak denunciations where you say. it's like a big word salad of platitudes. but at the end of the day you don't say the thing that everyone is waiting for you to say and that is, donald trump has no place in the republican party. that those who support donald

trump alla margaret taylor greene and so forth. because remember, we have plenty of formed photos of marjory hanging out with does racist not see. we've got plenty of photos and video of others in the party espousing these very same counts of you. so this is not something that is an aberration. something that the party just stumbled into. it is something that, not just party members, activists have brought in. but it is also that elected officials are actually are actively perpetuating. because they are going to these conferences, they are standing shoulder to shoulder with these individuals, they are elevating their narrative. and so, it says a lot more about. a lot less about what donald trump means to all of this at this point and a lot more about how much this infection has

taken hold, and how much harder it is for republicans like myself to make the case that this is not the way to go. to encourage the leadership to stand with us to denounce it and to return us, as people say. i just want the old republican party back. well, i don't know if it is the old republican party or some other form of it, but this is not at. and i think with the election show this past fall, ali, is that the american people don't think so either. >> you know, back in 2012 when mitt romney lost the election to barack obama. that the republican party undertook, i guess coney postmortem at the time about what it could do differently. and it was a very thoughtful postmortem. it was, like if we do this kind of stuff. and some of it had to do with not alienating certain constituencies, including black people. and it sounded like, hey if we did this instead of us this might work and we may broaden this ten.

that is a thoughtful postmortem. there's no effort in that right now. the phone pillow man wants to be the head of a republican party. he wants me to position that you held. this is not going anywhere in the right direction. >> so about that postmortem. 1 million dollars or thereabouts with spent to do all the things that you described it would do. open up the ads of the party to the reality of a mare that america's diversifying. i don't see that. you can see the country is changing. didn't need to spend 1 million dollars to recognize that. but okay, you spent the money. but you know what they did with it? they let donald trump travel over. they let donald trump come down that escalator when he announced his presidency and call out mexicans. and demean and derived them. and say to the nation, not only do we not like them or want them, we are going to build a

wall to keep them out. oh, but then i'm going to pivot to say that muslims aren't welcome either. so what was the point of this grand autopsy? so flash forward. chairman ramah is sitting there now talking about, we want to have a review. a review of? what to wear? to spend money to get people in a room to talk amongst themselves, to put out a white paper saying it you want to do all these granting glorious things when you won't tell marjorie taylor greene to shut the hell out and get the hell out of the party? don't give me your damn review. because you are not serious. you are letting the rot continue around you we'll use it and huddled masses talking amongst yourselves about how much black men now are leaning towards the gop. like that is some kind of indicator that you have turned a corner? talk to the black men who at when they go out talking about

trump and see what their women say them. that conversation is real short. the reality of it is, you can't sit back and see what they are doing face forward. all with all the window dressing. you know, wanting americans to believe we are done with trump. all these folks running out now to microphone saying, oh we are done with trump. we are moving past trump, it is time for us to move on. when trump decides to really get into this race for the presidency, what the hell do you think is gonna happen ali? what do you think that where do you think those people are gonna go? they are gonna get right back to trump. you know why? because his base, their base, is still with him. and they haven't peeled off of him. >> michael, thanks as always for being with us this morning. thanks as always when you are here when i'm not here i feel like the show is better when you are. >> we unite are gonna be talking in philadelphia couple. weeks we will be in person and having a nice long conversation about the future of democracy in this country. i'm really looking for dizzying

in person, thanks. >> same here, my. friend >> michael steele, former chairman of the republican party. former lieutenant governor of maryland, msnbc political analyst. i'm joined now by olivia troye. she previously served at the homeland security adviser and counterterrorism advisor, senior adviser to mike pence. olivia, good morning. thank you for being with us. i have to ask you the same question i asked michael because i identified him as a former member of the republican party. he's a current member of the republican party. are you? >> that is a top question. i call myself a recovered republican. i guess i'm still looking back on the president bush days where he is a former president released a book of immigrant portraits. my, how the party has fallen. we are so far away from. that we represent everything that stands for anything about that right now. and it is just horrifying. it has been a horrible week and i'm embarrassed and i think it is upon all of us to call this out, to stamp this out. this has been just a completely

awful in deplorable. >> i'm probably gonna get a little anger on twitter saying this but that book of portraits painted by former president bush is one of the most is on my coffee table because it's actually an excellent book at the stories go long with all the immigrants whom he has portrayed are really worth every american reading. but one of the things michael never talked about his policy within the republican party, right. so we are talking about the 2012 postmortem and how to remake the republican party into something more appealing. putting that aside, putting the hay jones alienated, migrants don't alienate black people, don't alienate all these different groups, there is also the issue of policy. you are a policy expert. the reason you are an adviser to mike pence is that there are areas of which you have policy expertise. something that the republican party also struggles with, because they decided in the last election, there's no actual policy. it is donald trump. the policy is to support donald trump. and into new to the party of its intellectual prowess and its ability to debate with democrats in the last election. we saw a surge of some criticisms of how biden is

dealing with inflation. but the republicans had nothing to offer on the other side. >> yeah, i keep asking about that, right. they tell us border security. both border security, they tout the great replacement theory which is that and antisemitic tropes. they don't propose policy. i've yet to see a solution about what they are going to do on this. we have heat on the rise, violence on the rise in communities, gun violence happening every single day. are they looking to justice issues? they talk about crime. they ran platforms on crime this election cycle insidious. what are they actually doing about it? instead of continuing to certify, instead of continue to unfold it. and empowering people who encourage such a thing. they are empowering marjorie taylor greene. marjorie taylor greene is about to have power again when this next congress takes over. this is someone who called joe biden hitler on twitter. that was just a couple months ago. this is who they are. it is incredibly frustrating

for people who like me who are national security people who want to actually see them be the party of national security, who want to see them be the party of law and order that these overclaim. but instead there anything about that right now. and i don't see that changing anytime soon. because they've decided that this place to their base of this place to their donors, which i actually am incredibly confused and disappointed by because how can you be funding this type of thing when it is destroying our country? it is allowing for adversaries to come in and stir the pot with them. they are watching this, and they are enjoying this because they're like let the american, let the americans destroy themselves. we will help them by messing with their social media. will help them by pushing these things out, but they are doing it to themselves right now. >> your former, boss mike, pence was actually one of the few republicans who didn't equivocation his criticism of donald trump's dinner with nick fuentes. you tweeted about. you said glad to see mike pence joining the group of gop is

publicly will be again trump for his meeting with nick fuentes. however, actions speak louder than words. you just talked about immigration and the replacement theory. stephen miller is the brains of that operation. in the trump inner circle, what is the point you're making you with mike pence? >> i think that if you are going to sit there under the circumstances and actually say the right thing during a moment, you have to live it out. you actually have to reject these types of personalities. you have to not include them in your circle. why, why is one of them advising one of their closest confidants? why do you keep these people employed? why do you give them the opportunity for a platform? and look i saw these people firsthand. i have heard there -- he'd un-racist comments the meetings. they don't shy away from him. they are who they are, and they wear like a badge of honor. and these are the types of

personalities that we have to reject. and you will see some of these people come back in. you are going to see them join the desantis campaign, you are going to see them be on the trump campaign. these are the same circles that are looking for the opportunity. and we are not careful, these are the same people that are gonna be running things like national security in potential 2024 white house where one of these candidates who doesn't reject these types of personalities and these types of sentiments ends up in the oval office again. we can't allow that to happen. >> olivia, thanks as always we are analysis and your expertise and your service to the country. olivia troye is a former senior advisor to vice president mike pence. still ahead, on, velshi more than 1.8 million people already voted in the georgia runoff between rafael warnock and republican challenger herschel walker. we are live in georgia with just days to go until election day. remember, that are officially a post-roe story of a ten-year-old rape victim who was forced across state lines for safe and legal abortion. hard to forget that story. but the story didn't and there, and active fight for the young girls private medical records

is underway. also, the velshi banned book club's back and it was well worth the wait. the singular, margaret atwood will join us to explore shakespeare's the tempest. the play is as critical today as it was in the 16 hundreds. exploring themes of forgiveness, reality, and colonization. at, would who publish her own modern retelling called hags seed has said that shakespeare is infinitely interpretable. don't miss it. interpretable. don't miss it. don't miss it. downy in-wash scent boosters survive the washer & dryer for freshness that lasts 6 times longer than detergent alone. release freshness with every touch... with downy in-wash scent boosters. (scrooge) bah humbug! my signal is totally ghosting me! (cecily) you need a better network. release freshness with every touch... 'tis the season to switch to verizon. they'll give you the new iphone 14 pro. (scrooge) amazing phone! (vo) this holiday season verizon gives you the new iphone 14 pro. plus an apple gift, like apple watch se, ipad and beats fit pro. all on us. that's a value of up to $1900. (scrooge) wow! (vo) and there are unlimited plans for everyone starting at just $35 a line.

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the hotly contested runoff the georgia senate. right now the incumbent democratic senator, raphael, warnock is holding it event. this is live with the evo seattle labor union in atlanta. meanwhile, republican candidate herschel walker is expected to attend an sec college football watch party with voters later this afternoon. the latest polling numbers indicate a tight race among likely voters. a brand-new cnn poll shows support for warnock in 52% support for walker at 48%. however, the differential falls well within the poll's margin of error. as many people pointed out, this is going to be a story of who turns out their voters on tuesday. the period for early voting and in the last. night according to george's secretary of state's office, more than 1.8 million voters have already cast early ballots in person and by mail. here is a look at what it was like to try to vote yesterday. this is the problem, by the. way 2022 in georgia. what you are looking at right now is the problem with voting in america. these photos were taken by matthew browne at the washington post just before polls were set to close at the

atlanta public library. the line to vote wrapped around the building stretch for two blocks. this is either sense of how energized voters are to choose their next senator, or how stupid voting is in america sometimes. joining me now is matthew brown, democracy reporter for the washington post. i just love the fact that there is a democracy reporter, for the washington post. he's facing allana, hasn't won the race closely. matt, those are pictures of the vote voting place in atlanta. i was asked this question when people stand the lines. is it a sign that they are energized and democracy is alive and well, or is it a sign that there's something wrong with our system that we love to wait in these kind of lines to vote in america? >> well the fact that voting in georgia in 2022 is the fact that it is both frankly. the voters that i talked to are very energized to vote but also the officials that i talked to the actual polling place said that they weren't able to process the numbers of voters that they needed to at this place because they didn't have

the staff. because the deadlines and the time to vote had been compressed by 2021 the election law. so there are lot of issues that had gone on in terms of being able to get to the polls. making sure that georgians had as much axis as they would like to in the voting process, and the result of that is that you have seen a lot of people who are enthusiastic flock to these polling places to vote early, which is resulted in these long lines. >> well, there are a number of important counties. we'll look at georgia on tuesday night, we'll be looking at all the counties. but it will be happening in cobb county just this morning something to do with mailing ballots. is this an important development? >> yes, so we judge recently just ruled that cobb county is going to extend the deadline of sending mail ballots to voters who adopted their ballot by early voting deadlines. this is an important element because it both shows that voters who, voters were almost not allowed to vote in this process in this runoff election in the way that they would have liked because of errors that

were put into the system. it also shows that election workers were deeply overworked. that they are under a lot of pressure to conduct this incredibly tight turnaround, one of election that is only three weeks including some holiday time between this and the general election. >> let me ask you about the polling. there is a reason why people. the polling is very tight, it's all within the margin of error. i've seen police at the walker, head pulls up warnock ahead. but in the end, everybody tells me this is not about what the voter thinks. this is about whether the likely voter votes. >> exactly. everyone is expecting the turnout is going to drop a little bit in this election. as we have seen, there's been a surge in voting from the early voting train which is just one week this year. so i think it is just gonna be very important to see which turnout machine, democrat or republican, is gonna be the most mobilized. which base is gonna be the most determined a vote in this process and so far it has been very interesting to watch the polarization of actually making sure that people get to the poll. so for instance, the georgia

republican party national republicans came in and argue that that deadline should not be extended, whereas warnock had made comments to for instance velocity to myself to extend saturday voting in this runoff. and also had argued that practical access is not necessarily available. so the fight over how to get people to the polls and what voters are going to get to the polls is actually the thing that will return determine the result of this race. >> that's an interesting thing to say. a practical access isn't available to voters. people might say that's not actual voter suppression, but in 2022 there should be access for all voters in america. matt brown is a democracy reporter for the washington post. coming, up cutting story of a tenured rape victim went across state lines for a safe legal abortion continues to play out in indiana after the states antiabortion attorney general launched an investigation into the abortion provider who helped her. plus, don't miss this meeting of the velshi banned book club with none other than met margaret atwood. to get to meet again to

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overturned roe v. wade, a story merch that are tenured rape victim had to travel across state lines from ohio to indiana in order to access safe and legal abortion care. many were outraged. it became an early flash point in the post roe fight for abortion rights that highlighted the complexity and quality cruelty of the supreme court's decision. the story of the general girl came from dr. caitlin bernard. the indianapolis-based doctor who performed the abortion. she told first told the story to the indystar, a local news out, light that published it without identifying the patient. the story caught the attention of indiana's republican attorney general, todd repeated who began investigating dr. bernard, her medical partner, and their practice. that story is largely faded from the headlines, there was

only the beginning of an ongoing conflict between the doctor in the attorney general. just as, week rookies asked indiana's medical licensing board to discipline dr. bernard, it alleging that she broke the law in telling the girl story and not reporting the abuse to the authorities, even though it was reported to the authorities in ohio who arrested the man suspected of raping the young girl. to counter the investigation, dr. bernard filed a lawsuit last month to protect her patients privacy and to protect, to prevent the attorney generals office from retrieving private medical records. but yesterday, state judge heather wells ruled that about the kitchen continue, because now it is in the hands of the states medical licensing board. she also chastised the attorney general for making public statements about the case that were quote, clearly unlawful breaches that requires him to maintain confidentiality over pending investigations. investigations abortion providers by state officials as nothing new. similar probes and violations of push and private ceo

courting kansas in the 2000s when phil klein, the states overzealous attorney general used his office to scrutinize abortion providers. he was reprimanded for his unethical tactics and his law license was even suspended indefinitely in kansas. abortion is still illegal in indiana, for now. accorded injunction has blocked the state's abortion ban from taking effect. but the attorney general's actions clearly signal that the state and its executives remain hostile toward abortion providers and toward patients who are seeking abortion care. joining me now is kathleen sibelius. she previously served as a secretary of health and human services during the obama administration. important for this discussion she is a former governor of kansas. kathleen, good to see you. again thanks for being with us this morning. i just want to make sure we start in the right place here, and that is a state hostility toward abortion providers has serious consequences. some of which are scaring abortion providers away, making abortions and available in states where it is even legal because abortion providers are fearful. but it is also resulted in harm

and sometimes death to those abortion providers. >> that is true. and we have seen all of the above in kansas. we have seen state officials used their positions in an attempt to you circumvent the law and kill the opportunities for women to access the care that they need. we have seen abortion providers attacked initially and then murdered. dr. tiller in wichita was murdered in kansas by a zealot who believed he was fighting a war on behalf of children and found it appropriate to go into a church and murder a health care provider who he disagreed with. so we had an attorney general who was disbarred because he confiscated abortion records, we've seen a whole array of really outrageous activities up

to an including murder. >> in fact, when you're the governor of kansas, he made at a bill that would require doctors to provide additional information about patients who were seeking abortions. and you said that the bill would, quote, lead to the intimidation of health care providers and reduce access to comprehensive health care for women, even when it is necessary to preserve their lives and help. so, this effort to intimidate both abortion providers and recipients of reproductive health care is nothing new. and you at the time realize the danger of what the attorney general in indiana is trying to do right now by both intimidating that the abortion provider, the doctor who provided the abortion, and people are seeking abortions. >> well, we have had, ali, sort of the battle over very zealous abortion protection for years in the kansas. we had the so-called summer of mercy in the mid 19 hundreds where we had thousands of people congregate in wichita kansas and surrounds that

clinic. not only surround the clinic, and that is become more common practice. it was a little unusual at the time. but when i saw a close and personal was that staff of that clinic, health care providers, doctors and nurses, and clinicians who were tracked to their homes wheeler. terrorized in grocery stores, and their kids were leaflet it out schools. this was an element of terror. trying to force individuals to shut down what was a legal practice, providing women with desperately needed care. we watch the patients be tortured and terrified as they tried to access that care, being screamed at, cars. some laws now exist to provide some perimeter protection and provide some additional support. but this is another, albania

where individuals are going to use their authority as attorney generals, governors, legislators, to try to stand between women and their right to access health care. >> so, i'm curious because if you look at the results of the ballot measure in kansas which ended up being repeated in the midterm elections, both on people who are trying to protect abortion rights or who were trying to eliminate them. we what a lot of americans who don't necessarily outwardly support abortion rights are finding is that, this overreach by attorney generals and governors, particularly those trying to make isaacson example or direct tear toward them, is not something that a lot of americans who otherwise would not be considering the option of abortions are not really like the idea, that they are reacting to what you are talking about. the idea that these are draconian medieval measures of control. we >> well. you're right. i think the vast majority of americans find these tactics

very frightening. and the idea that we wouldn't we, in a health system where we know we have a limited number of providers. anywhere we want the providers to have the best training possible, where you want any patient to be able to access an array of care. what we are hearing from women is that, in this effort to really chilly the opportunity for women to access abortion care, they are also discouraging doctors from giving appropriate care, following a miscarriage or treating women who are bleeding heavily because they are terrified. or having lawyers in the hospital visit of women instead of a doctor. that is a horrific place for health care to be for women in america and it is really being led by this very zealous effort to prevent women from accessing the care they need. >> kathleen stability, good to talk about this. thank, you your experience of says analyze these things more fully than we can without. you kathleen sibilance is a

former secretary of health and human services during the obama administration. also former governor of kansas. coming, up today's meeting of the velshi banned book club is nearly underway. we are tackling one of shakespeare's most important, plays the tempest, with the events margaret atwood. we will dig into the central themes of the tempest, the power of outwards own retelling of the story with her own book, hag seeds, and the all too real removal of the shakespearean play from arizona classrooms. shakespearean play from arizona classrooms for alarm, so dad brought puffs plus lotion to save it from harm. puffs has 50% more lotion and brings soothing relief. don't get burned by winter nose. a nose in need deserves puffs indeed. america's #1 lotion tissue. my most important kitchen tool? my brain. so i choose neuriva plus. unlike some others, neuriva plus is a multitasker supporting 6 key indicators of brain health. to help keep me sharp. neuriva: think bigger. nicorette knows, quitting smoking is freaking hard. you get advice like: just stop. go for a run. go for 10 runs!

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even his traders brother. this, you will recall is the story attempts by william shakespeare. right around 16 ten. the tempest is considered one of shakespeare's most important works, as well as the last of his place to be written alone. it is tragic, comedic, and even by modern standards, romantic. it is a favorite among casual readers and academics alike because it ends with many unanswered questions and contains particularly complex characters. the tempest grapples simultaneously with multiple themes, including the illusion of justice, the sanctity of family, reality, on colonization. as we view it through a modern lens, the relationship between when -- and cal taliban draws in his relationship to the call either and the colonizer. prosper, oh lands on an island, caliber native to the alley introduces him to his land. make it possible for prosperous and his daughter miranda to survive. this power of dynamic shifts rapidly. prosper, dismissing taliban as

a savage reduce them to a. slave in arizona, the process statute that expressly forbade publican charter schools from teaching courses that quote, promote resentment toward a race or class of people or advocate ethnic solidarity instead of treatment of peoples as individuals, and quote. the tempest was among the literature that was banned. the former arizona teacher wrote a blog post reaction to the law saying, we have been told that we cannot teach any race, ethnic, or oppression themed units. i asked if i could start cinching shakespeare is the tempest and was told no. due to the themes that are present, and the likelihood of avoiding discussions of colonization and enslavement and racism we are remote. i can't believe i have to say this but i do. banning the temperature any works of shakespeare for that matter is quite simply a detriment to students. something through the tempest as a sophomore and a heisman, a high school understanding it more as a college student, and revisiting once more as an adult as an opportunity and one

that everyone should be given. pick any of shakespeare's plays or sonnets, reading that will inspire new ideas, critical thinking, creativity, and inward reflection. you will see shakespeare in your most hated game phones characters. the plot of your favorite 90s movie's, then things i had about you. and even in your most used curse words. and you might not even like it. the language is frustrating, the plots are complex, but you should be able to make that decision for yourself. not an angry school board member or an overreaching law. right after the break, the prolific author margaret atwood's gonna discuss this with me. she is best known for her modern classic, the handmaid's tale. what has published some 18 novels, 11 works of nonfiction, eight children's books, and more. including, the new york times bestseller, hank seed which is a modern retelling of the tempest. heck seed follows the theater director felix who was exiled from society and living in the woods after an act of treachery. but after 12 years, he has the opportunity to take revenge via a theater course at a local

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ask your healthcare provider right away if an authorized oral treatment is right for you. joining me now is a hugely celebrated author margaret atwood. she has won two booker, prices pen lifetime achievement award, and today she's running the velshi banned book club on the hag seed which is a modern retelling of shakespeare's the tempest. margaret, good to see you again. thank you for going to join us. you are one of our earliest guests on the velshi banned book club. it is great to have you. back >> thank you. >> let's start with hegseth. you wrote it through the whole guard shakespeare project, a 2016 effort to retail shakespeare for the modern audience. it coincided with the 400th anniversary of shakespeare's death. and you included a chapter in your book on rioters and writing about the tempest. tell me why you are taking by the play and thought about

doing this retelling of it? >> well, it has a lot of dimensions but it is the play of shakespeare that comes closest to him writing about what he actually did. so he was in the play at a crossroads essentially the producer director of a play, the tempest. and his special effects guy is aerial. but, he also has overtime it has been the most reinterpreted play of shakespeare. it was an opera in the 18th century, they added a couple of characters and the wind how four voices. they could have quartets. frieden had a brother. there was a female accompanying miranda, and people like that version. when i went back and had to do the original shakespeare, people don't like it as much. it got reinterpreted again in the 19th century with taliban changing from a comic character, which he is in the original, to

a tragic character. because people connected taliban with slavery. a lot of sympathy for child forecast callahan in the times of abolition. but, suppression of the fact that why he gets to posed by prosper is that he tries to rate miranda. so you don't get an mixed characters in shakespeare. through some, prosperous is the good guy. through other eyes he is a tyrant. so you have to. >> what is interesting, you name the book hag see it which is an insult that prosperous calls taliban. so you have centralized callahan to the story as opposed to cross pro? >> well, i think he is central because right now that is what people and of talking about. but also, it is a double insult because it has got the word handbag in it which is a derogatory mention of

callahan's mother, supposedly a witch. so, we you have a very complex group of characters. and every time you see a production of, it you're gonna see it played differently. khalil kellyanne these days is usually shown as a kind of semi best. he's got scales. but he claims he is the original posture of the island. that isn't entirely true either. aerial could make the same claim. >> you know, a group in toronto so you are everybody's favorite author. at every canadian candidate wreaths margaret atwood. but then it united states and i realize you're actually everybody's favorite author. so the best question that we always have. and the best question someone could ask of your favorite author is who is your favorite author. you said before that william shakespeare is actually favored author. >> i was pecan because he is

safe. but it is kind of true. everything writers say about this kind of stuff, it is kind of true. but he is dead, and people can't resent him. where is if i name somebody living, people make it very mad. >> let me ask you though, in staten island, your prosper character felix is in a prison. tell us about that. why that choice? >> i'm the playing backers and forwards and backwards and forwards before undertaking this. and everybody in the plane is in in some way at some time. in the last speech across pro, the last three words are 70 free. so, set him free from what? so then i went back through and looked at them all again and decided that the place for cross pro to be putting on, or for felix to be putting on his revenge play would be a prison in which the actors would be

that prisoners and would get to write some of the text. and it got very meta because a president st. louis marjory missouri said can we do this? can we do you play, right the play of the tempest as interpreted through hag seat and put it on in the prison? i said, absolutely. and i was going to get down for it but covid struck. they have since done it, and i would like to see a ton again because i think they did a pretty good job. >> i wanted to message you couple days ago to see if you could join me on the show. i want to see than the tempest. and you said, did hags get banned? which it hadn't. but when you think about the themes that gets the tempest band, which seem very broad and like much of this book brought it but banning it's very broad. and as someone who has had books banded critiqued, what about hank seeds avoids the thing that got tampa spanned in

arizona? >> nothing. they would ban that to. callahan is. >> that is actually perfect. answer that's exactly. right >> right. because what the banning seems to be about is, let's not have any awkward conversations. so, i realized sometime later, after i had been through high school in the 50s that the reason we had mostly 19th century and 18th century techs was that there wasn't any overt sex in them. so there is sex that takes place offstage, which is how people get born. just letting you in on that. but there isn't actually any described sacks in those 19 century. tax so things did not get awkward for the teacher. and it did leave child mind wondering what was going on in the woods. but i think that is why they

did. it and i think a lot of this is the. same they don't want uproar in the schools. they don't want ferocious arguments. that is my. guess what do you think? >> i think that's exactly right. we are avoiding awkward conversations and that serves nobody purpose. in fact, we will talk in a few minutes when we are off line about the handmaid's tale and that exact thing that you introduced the world to very uncomfortable conversations about things that are actually unfolding in front of us right now. margaret atwood, to see exactly where you are. i will continue this conversation on the other side. margaret atwood, as you will know is the author of numerous books, including the handmaid's tale and hag seed which we are talking about. there is more where that came from. i will continue the conversation marker that went in a few days you'll be able to extreme the extended cut of the discussion on peacock. but for, now that does it for me. thank you for watching, catch me tomorrow at velshi, don't forget it's available as a podcast for those of you who don't wake up early enough to

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