thank you at home for watching the sunday show. i'll be back next sunday, our second anniversary, at 10 am eastern. stay tuned because my friend alex wood has the latest. hi alice. >> it is your second anniversary, that is so exciting. oh my gosh, we're going to have to have a celebration here. let me just tell you something to as well, because -- with representative clyde, bergen i was echoing the surprise in your voice as you asked a follow-up question. do you mind sticking around for a few minutes, because i want you to come back. i have so many questions about that. >> sure. >> i know you did. to cystic right where you are. >> okay.

>> thank you my friend, we'll see you in a bit. a very good day to all of you from msnbc world headquarters here in new york. welcome, everyone. developing this hour, some brand-new reaction to donald trump calling for the end of the united states constitution. we'll be going to have details of the new review from the white house in just a moment. today's lawmakers on both sides of the aisle, they're reacting to trump's statement. >> i thought it was a strange statement, but the republicans are going to have to work out their issues with the former president and decide whether they are going to break from him, and return to some semblance of reasonableness, or continue to lean into the extremism. >> i certainly don't endorse that language, or that sentiment. i think the question for everyone is, how we move forward. >> meanwhile, were two days

away from the georgia runoff that is hermansville the senate democrats are gaining 51 seat majority for the next four years as democratic senator, raphael warnock, a republican herschel walker, amid their closing arguments today. we are learning that georgians have smashed early voting records of more than 1.85 million votes already cast. when it had led the way with that, 56% of the early vote, data them. 52% of those votes are coming for democrats as well. also, new reaction to the democrats knew primary calendar. this no longer has iowa posting the first in the nation caucuses. today, republican senator, joni ernst, reacted as she's defended republicans decision showed -- >> i am sorely disappointed that the democrats chose not to have ayo as their first in the nation caucus. i'm glad that republicans are staying the course. you know how i feel about this. democrats have really given middle america the middle finger. >> that was over her's line

right there. some new reaction from south carolina congressman, -- explaining why he feels his state was promoted by president biden totally that process. >> the president decided that he thought south carolina to go first. i think he did so because iowa is not as reflective of the democracy, of the demographics of this country, as south carolina as. >> now let's get more reaction to those trump remarks, with them is some feces -- and josh lederman at the white house. welcome to you both. josh, we're going to start with you. how are the white house and democrats reacting to trump's latest election fraud claims? >> well it's no surprise,, alex that democrats and the biden administration are responding by perceiving trump's comments in the same way that democrats often do, which is outrage in clear criticism. you know for the white house, they have tried for really

since the start of this administration not to weigh in on a day-to-day basis on former president trump's musings, not to really elevate those kinds of comments and give them more oxygen by having the president of the united states weigh in on them. and doesn't, since the white house felt that they did need to come out and say something to make clear that those kinds of comments were not acceptable political discourse with white house spokesman andrew bates will easiness damond referring to the american constitution as a sacrosanct documents, that for 200 years is guaranteed our freedom. say, in a tacking the constitution at all it stands for is anathema to the soul of our nation and must be universally condemned. white house spokesman bates went on to say you cannot only love america when you end. already, we see members of congress says they are out on the sunday shows, and in their districts, forced to respond to

former president trump's. including democratic congressman from rhode island, who said this earlier, to jonathan kaye part. >> this is just the most recent, and maybe the most explicit argument that we should disregard the constitution, the rule of law, and all the other great traditions of our democracy, allowing them to stay in office because he wants to. it's very dangerous and everyone should condemn that. he's become like the crazy uncle at mar-a-lago, say things that make no sense in american democracy. >> what a lot of democrats are watching for is whether these are the kinds of comments from former president trump that simply blend into the long list of controversial things he said in the past that seem to disappear within a new cycle or to, or whether this is more along the lines of former president trump's dinner with nick fuentes and the kanye west, , year at mar-a-lago, which seems to lead a lot of

republican officials to say that is a bridge too far. already we're seeing that may not be the case with some republicans. david joyce, a republican from ohio, he wasn't another network earlier this morning saying that trump says a lot of things, and declining to explicitly condemn former president trump for those remarks. alex. >> listen, at minimum, his statements are unacceptable. it's also downright scary some of the things he's talking about, josh. thank you so much from the white house. let's go from there to msnbc's alan rafah of capitol hill. the republicans are still trying to figure out how to respond to trump's comments. ali, welcome. what we heard from them today? >> hi, alex. i think before we go into what they said today, it's important to recognize the backdrop here and what they've set in the past. you know in the past, a few weeks and months, we have seen a good number of republicans try the distance themselves before former president trump and his baseless claims that the 2020 election was stolen. we've seen the repercussions of that, the impacts of that in

midterm races. the impact on trump backed candidates in the midterms, the impact on his announcement for another bid for the presidency in 2024. there is still this lingering question of how much the gop is willing to be tested by former president trump, ahead of 2024. republican lawmakers didn't really respond to these comments that he made yesterday, calling for the termination of the constitution. they were asked about this on the sunday shows this morning, as well as whether they feel comfortable supporting him in his bid for the presidency in 2024. take a listen to what congressman had to say this morning. >> i think at the end of the day, whoever the republican -- because that, even if is donald trump in his call for suspending the constitution? >> it's going to be a big field. i don't think donald trump is going to clear out the field like he did -- >> the assault on a mask. and i'm asking you if he's a nominee, would you support him? >> i would support whoever republican nominee is. i don't think that at this

point he will be able to get there because i think there's a lot of other good quality candidates out there. >> alex, this issue is really putting a spotlight on divisions within this party, a party that just saw voters deny election denialism as a major motivating issue in the midterms. that's not impacting other republicans. you had a new york -- newly lévesque did new york congressman, mike, lawler say earlier today that he rejected trump's comments. he thinks that it would be better for the party to move forward and stop talking about the 2020 election. if he plans to be successful in x, one. alex >> okay, ali, from capitol hill, thank you, ali for, that. joining me now, denver -- former republican congressman from virginia, and author of the breach. the untold story of the investigation into january six. also -- a criminal offense attorney, and legal analyst, gentlemen, thank you both. i'm going to go to you for us, what do you make of donald trump's call to terminate the

parts of the constitution that prevented him from overturning a fair election? we heard republican lawmakers there refusing to condemn his comments. how would the republican base interpret this? republicans often consider themselves have the constitution. >> >> you know, i know dave joyce very well. you know it's something to see someone who is very moderate, very common sense individual, say that they would still support the nominee. i don't think you get your arms around that. that's the question, alex. the people that watch a program here, they're going to recoil with donald trump said about the constitution. the only thing that matters is what congressional leadership says. when you're talking about the new leadership, or the nominees for the leadership positions, where the people who are going to be running for president -- and what are they saying? the only question that matters is are you going to support the

nominee? that's at. and gop circles. we look at what's in the gop base right now, i don't think this is really going to head any type of nerve or button. i think that the kanye, alex jones, nick what days thing might even hear more above than this. as far as this is concerned, i recoil at it. i think anyone who defines themselves as a conservative, but as far as the, base as far as leadership of the republican party, i think the reason why you're seeing such a minimal type of reaction to this is because he is still holding so much power in the party. i find it cowardly that to gop members can't come out and say that this is so heinous, based on the background of the republican party and history that we have to pull away from. again, we're going to be looking at polling in their districts and fund-raise aim, and winning in the future. it's going to be more important for was true, factual, bus for this country. >> what you're saying is that the republicans who don't come out and speak against us, they're doing so out of fear of losing, as opposed to standing

up for what they may personally believe them. their morals and principles. is that what you're saying? >> their politicians,. alex polina fundraising drives, most of these individuals, whether they're going to what elizabeth district. they're responding to the base. can you imagine coming out and saying hey trump is wrong, i can't stand a piece of, that we have to move away, then all of their funding, police, districts and favorable crop. oh dear lord. you throw your hands up and panic. it's all about winning. the orientation in 2018, remember mccarthy saying, winners make history. you have to win at any cost. i think that's what sad not just about the republicans but about this two party system, and how -- but the republicans are hold my beer stage. it comes down to winning. i know, alex, that it's -- but as they're looking at polling and fund raising in the district, they're going to try to ignore this as much as they can and move on to hunter,

biden. they're gonna move on to fauci. they're going to move on to the january six committee. that's what's going to happen. >> look, i want the answer that you are prepared to, given a listening to it. i understand why you're saying that. kind of troubling, but i understand it. there are just days before the truth social post draw in which donald trump sent a video message to a fund raising event, speaking of the money. it was hosted by the patriot freedom project. that group supports the families of those charged in the capitol attack. take a look at this. >> freedom is what it's about. that is not happening in our country. people have been treating unconstitutionally, in my opinion, and very unfairly. we are going to get to the bottom of it. >> this race of extremism, along with repeated attacks in the justice system, now the constitution, and as if it into a pattern of what we saw play out on january six? >> while, january six is its

own political subset of the gop. i think when we say that, it's a massive portion of the gop base. i think he had to do. at not only when you look at kanye, sort of becoming the new chaos agent for the gop, he's really taken over in the social media circles. almost like this bizarre, far-right, neo-nazi messiah. he had to come out. the defenders talk about the fundraising, it's about winning an election. my guesses, but looking at base, pulling trump is starting to fall behind. that guy being the fighter for those j 6th offends, and also for a lot of the really far-right groups that are leaning white, christian nationalists. he had to do that. is he has to be the one up front and center. he has to be the one being mean, he has to be the one being talked about, hashtag about. i think he did it out of necessity. i think that is what his advisers told him to do. now you are talking about fundraising for the january six defendants because he feels like he has to be based on other types of awful far-right

diatribes. again, he finds people. >> the ramifications all of this, danny, does trump's call for terminating the country's founding doctrine disqualifying to count a dead from office in any legal way? >> anytime you are going to punish someone for free speech you have to hyper focus on what exactly is been said in the words, but also the context. i have to point out as an initial issue, it's not a sensible statement in a way. the constitution doesn't contain rules and regulations, those regulations are created by agency, which were created by the governments, which were created by the constitution. it shows that he doesn't even seem to understand the basic underpinnings of government. that is part of. that could lead to an inference that this is just talking about general overflow of the government in the abstract, and the first amendment does protect speech of about generally that overthrowing the government as long as it does

not rise to incitement, as long as it doesn't present that clear and present danger. well it may be deplorable to talk about overthrowing the government, striking down the constitution, if you are a former or an aspiring president, from a first amendment sound point, it is probably protected speech. in addition, there been talks in the past about using a little known provision that the 14th amendment to disqualify trump, or, a four, example giving aid and comfort to our enemies. you can do that with speech. does this particular speech rise to that level? i would say probably not. as much as we don't like what trump is saying, we do want to preserve, and holden sacrosanct, not just speech as a protected by the constitution, but in particular, political speech. the supreme court has said it's sort of a super formal free speech. the kind of thing we have to extra protect if we're going to protect free speech, and those

-- >> okay, i want to ask each of you a question on this. donald trump obviously still in the crosshairs of the january six committee, which completed its last interview this week. it is expected to issue its final report by christmas. denver, as a former advisor to that committee, will the conclusion of their work, will it bring closure to this entire affair, or could it get lost in the holiday hubbub? >> oh gosh. i think, i know the committee pretty well. i think what they've done, and sort of defining trump and what he was in his state of mind, i think it was very effective. as far as doj, i would say the fbi, doj, i don't know if it matters that much that the j six has criminal referrals, but i do think the report is going to be absolutely groundbreaking. what they define as far as donald trump. i don't think it's going to be as predictive, as i would like, and, personally i think a lot of the other teams would follow the money in the counterterrorism radicalization teams, things like that, i think they're going to be more

important for the future. as far as the regency of, doesn't donald trump's state of mind, the legal arguments that he tried to use, the people that he tried to use who would push his message, i think is going to be very important. we looked lost a little bit the holiday of love? maybe. i think, i would say that's the hearings ahead before hundred selective. the report, you, know needs to -- but i think the hearings did affect the elections, the midterms. i think they were successful, i'm just not quite sure this is going to be as huge of an impact. >> with the committee still deliberating, in fact, after that meeting on friday we're discussing exactly with members talking, about the prospects for criminal referrals and how to handle those who didn't answer subpoenas. that includes five republican lawmakers. now ajax mid leading the doj's investigations, will any potential criminal referrals to the doj bring significant influence? >> not likely. i've been saying this for months now. with respect to denver, the

point is that from the political standpoint, it may not be a smart move for the january six committee to make referrals, because if they're feeling confident the doj jackson mid may eventually bring charges, then why make that referral? later on, republicans will point to it and say this is a political prosecution. this is like a third world country now where we're going after politicians and former politicians. that is not the right thing to do. that is going to be the argument. maybe the january six committee says, look, we produce a very organized demonstration, production, of what went wrong on january 6th. as an aside, there's been talk that there may be new information that we haven't heard about. that would surprise me because why not included in this wall thought out presentation of the january six committee put out over several weeks in the summer and beyond? but going forward, i think strategically, if january six committee's goal is to direct

donald trump, this may be counterintuitive, but the last thing they want to do is make a criminal referral with doj. maybe sit back and say, our work here is complete. here is our report. maybe all the transcripts, the public improved about their leisure, and let doj do what doj will do. >> quickly to you, do you think the doj would be more likely to charge trump in mar-a-lago, or one sex? >> you're talking to me? sorry about that. i think mar-a-lago. i agree completely. i don't think that they should be referrals at this, point i agree. i think that it would be seen as political, but as far as charges, i think mar-a-lago is probably more likely than january six at this point. >> okay, guys, thank you so much, appreciate the lunch out there. denver and, i look forward to seeing you both again. in the meantime, we have this breaking news that comes -- as reports a significant change following unprecedented protests there.

attorney general says the so called morality police has been disbanded, that is according to government affiliated media. this may not be official. the attorney generals office does not oversee the morality police, and there's been no word from iran's leadership. -- says that the morality police have not been seen for months. attorney general also noting that it's reviewing us mandatory head scarf law. we're going to have much more on this breaking news ahead for you in a live report. next, to georgia, and a head-scratching aspects of the senate runoff there. when we show you some very specific early voting numbers. they may raise a very important questions, and offer very few answers. if you missed enjoying the sunday show, just over an hour ago, minority whip james clyman says something about kevin mccarthy kind of shock jonathan capehart. jonathan is sticking around and joins me next. ins me next. it immediately feels like somebody's poking directly on the nerve. i recommend sensodyne. sensodyne toothpaste goes inside the tooth

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as republican, tries to become the next speaker of the. how stomach reddick congressman james clyburn has any message for him as he tries to get the 218 votes needed. >> i think that he has -- to put together the kind of deal, stored necessary to get to 2:18. however, if there are seven or eight people who are not going to vote for, then i would advise him to go and look at the other side of the aisle, and see whether or not there are deals over there to be made as well. >> joining me now is jonathan capehart, houses thundershower jonathan capehart right here on msnbc. thank you so much for, i found, for sticking around. >> of course. >> here's why i want to talk with you, you sounded stunned when the congressman said that during your interview. i was in the makeup around, and

i was like, wait, what? i was thinking, did i hear him right? tell me what went through your mind, what kind of a deal could he be made? >> right after, you played that clip, and right afterward, how i looked in i said, oh, what kind of deals? >> wu club burnside, wall things that we go talk about, things that we could do for the american people on a bipartisan basis. clyde byrne, from south carolina, has very focused on rural issues. as well as how rural issues are being forgotten by both parties when a majority of african americans live in rural areas. maybe not a majority, but a lot of african americans live in rural areas. those are a couple of the things he pointed out as areas potential deal may gain, now alex, something we have to keep in mind here, with claiborne, i think, is, i think he is half

serious, and half mischievous. think about it. if cabin, kevin mccarthy is very desperate to become the next speaker. so much so that he's talking to the likes of congresswoman, marjorie taylor greene, about putting her back on her committees, investigating all sorts of people in the biden ministration. if he gets to the point where he has to go to democrats for those votes, well a chaotic speakership will just evolve into chaos, into mayhem if you were to do that. the other thing that clyde byrne is twine with mccarthy. he knows how desperate mccartney's. >> i'm glad you made all those, points and i'm in no way questioning with clyde burn because he knows what he's doing, he's been a congressman long enough, he knows how to run the show, run again if he needs to. how unprecedented, jonathan, but it be if democrats helped mccarthy become speaker of the house? nothing comes to mind to me in recent memory. >> it would be unprecedented

edge. you know, if you win the majority, your party should be able to elected speaker with the majority of members who are coming into that next congress. the other thing, as i think it's almost impossible to see democrats voting for a republican speaker, simply because of where the republican party is right now, and a lot of the folks in that party were there, and have, in some instances, given aid and comfort to the folks who ransacked the capitol on january 6th, 2021. i think the bar would be extremely high for democrats to actually say, yeah, we'll give a vote to a republican speaker. >> yeah. last question, and it's picking up on what you just said. if mccarthy did end up getting votes from democrats, how is that's not seen by the extremists of the gop as an absolute betrayal? you remember former speaker,

dealing with the republican party, after the tea party and bridges were envelop done to the house but being elected, congressman a woman, he said it was like herding cats. i'm trying to think of how would this play out. >> i'm trying to think of an animal more slippery, more widely than a cat. >> porcupine? that would be uncomfortable, budget porcupine is running around. i don't know. >> this gets to what i was saying before, alex. it would be absolute mayhem, yes. it would be a betrayal, but there would be mayhem. he would have no control over his caucus, over his majority. some might even argue, even if he does cobble together the 218 republican votes to become the speaker, in order to get those votes, he would have to negotiated away, given away a lot of power, and a lot of authority, that accrue to the speaker.

this is basically make him weak, and toothless. >> gotcha. okay. thank you for sticking around. it's always good to chat with you. >> you too, alex. >> thank you, my friend. for all your work. the sunday show is every week proceeding the show, 10 am eastern. stick around and catch us -- meantime, is the final push in the georgia senate runoff, now just two days away. democratic's -- and republican herschel walker making closing arguments out on the trail again today. these stats show a record number of georgians have already voted, including more than 76,000 who did not vote at all and the general election. msnbc is joining us from atlanta. these numbers are remarkable. what do we know about the new voters that have been drawn to this runoff? >> it is quite remarkable indeed. early voting is over in georgia. the election is two days away. we are looking at a very energized electorate. it certainly seems from the early numbers that the senate runoff between rafael warnock and herschel walker, let's

break down the electric, overall, 1.8 5 million voters are expected to top 1.5, million absentee ballots come. and by gender, 56% are women, 56% of them. by, race 55% wire -- make up each, just under 2% of the electorate. the others declined to respond to that question. by party, democrats have 52%. republicans at 39%. about 9% did not affiliated with either party. now to your point about the new voters, 76, 000, more than 76,000 voters who did not show up in the general election for the midterms in november did vote in the georgia senate runoff. who are these voters, i started wondering. dig into, a three votes fit. voters under 30 have more than 15% who voted in this election. they didn't vote in the general election. hispanics are at about 8%. asian americans it's a little over 9%. one thing we scripts have in

common is that there are all democratic-leaning constituencies. i spoke with one canvassed are to raphael warnock event yesterday and asked her why all these people showing up potentially in the midterms? this theory is not a lot of democrats assumed raphael warnock would win in a walk, that no one would take herschel walker seriously. turns out they were very wrong. herschel walker came within a point of raphael warnock on the general election, not force the runoff. it's very difficult, alex, to find undecided voters here. georgians have been bombarded with ads, and direct mail, constantly for months. it's been one of the most expensive races. let's double and so what some voters have to say about these candidates. >> herschel. >> why? >> he and i think alike. we have some of the same beliefs. we understand basically government needs to get out of our away and do our thing. we can be pretty self sufficient. less government, more power in our hands to fulfiller our destiny. >> i've got warnock.

>> he is a steadfast person that has not filtered. he is way above the bar. i really believe that warnock has an interest in the people. >> and at this point, alex, it's all about who cautioned -- election day in georgia, two days away. >> it is just two days away, thank you for. that and all of you joining msnbc for live coverage analysis that tuesday runoff, rachel maddow, joy, rebuttal wallace, -ing steve kornacki, they'll breakdown the results we starting at 7 pm. stephanie continues coverage on the 11th hour. that's 11 pm eastern. if you watch it all in msnbc, also streaming on peacock. it could be a groundbreaking change in a country where you how you dress could get you jailed or even cost you your life. the breaking details resonating throughout the world, next. as a sad number unique to this country, there have now been 619 mass shootings in america

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overseas. reports that iran has disbanded its morality police. that is according to the country's attorney general. there may be big changes to the country's mandatory head scarves law. this is all being followed up thomas, potentially protest. let's go to raf sanchez, he has more on this from london. , ralph welcome. what are you hearing? big question, is any of this official? >> that is the key question, alex. it's the question being asked around the world, and in iran tonight. here's what we now. over the last couple of weeks, iran's fear of morality police have basically disappeared from the streets of tehran, and from other major cities. it's been really noticeable. last night, when the country's attorney general is that a religious conference, he was asked why have the religious police disappeared.

he did not take issue with the premise of the question, in fact, he replied, the same institution that established a, the morality police, has now abolished them. alex, in terms of parsing what is going on in the complicated mechanisms of the governments and islamic republic, the attorney general is not in charge of the morality police. we should say, not everything and iran is final until the supreme leader has pronounced on it. this does appear to be a very big moment. a very senior official is saying that the morality police really have terrorize people since 1979. forcing women to live under that strict islamic dress code. that official a saying the police have been abolished. that times with the lived experience from what we are hearing from people inside iran. women are saying they are walking around in the middle of tehran now without their head

scarves on. they are not been stopped, not being harassed by the authorities in the way that they expected to be, in the way that they have been for decades. alex, remember, the morality police have been the target of so much of this public anger during these protests over the last two months. massive amini, this young woman who died in police custody, was stopped by the morality police before her death. this may be a big moment in the islamic republic. alex. >> hundred percent. it could be absolutely huge if it is indeed confirm. thank you for setting that up for us. all of you might have heard donald trump's call to terminate the constitution. next, a reaction to why that is alarming even when we consider the source. the democrats 2024 primary calendar, a new report tells us who might already be a big winner as a result. nner as a result ♪ kevin! kevin! kevin?

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trump takes his election denial to a whole new level. the former president calling for the termination of the constitution. the 2020 election could be overturned, and he could be president again. the white house responded saying, attacking the constitution and all stands for is anathema to the soul of our nation, and should be universally condemned. you cannot only love america when un. joining me now is don calloway, democratic strategist and founder of the national voter protection action fund. susanville percio, republican strategist and former republican congresswoman from florida. david turley, both of the letter msnbc political analyst. we are going to get into this right. now don, beginning with. you the biden administration, as you heard, they're pretty aggressively heading back with that statement. how effective will it be? can republicans mount any defense whatsoever to this?

>> no. there's no defense. cruelty is the point. the white supremacy is the point. the constitution has always been an area avatar to give them talking points to justify what they're doing. when i got into the state house back in missouri back in 2008, you know, they would brag about the constitution. they would give the speeches about the constitution. that's when you first started to see the emergence of this new notion of conservatism. i spent a lot of time and law school, and i knew the -- became apparent for me that for 15 years now, constitution has been something that they. say this is nothing real about. it's of those that the real about, it they have no problem discarding at. we have been building up to this moment since the time that donald trump came down those escalator stairs and new york city. there's no regard for the constitution. there's no regard for the bill of rights. or for personal rights. that context, it's only a matter of time before they, or

he called, for it to be scrapped. and then we descended to whatever happens after that. >> so, susan, based on, that as you well now, the law called itself the party of the constitution. will trump statement foreheads -- ben now speaking nap. could the spin inflection point to some? kind >> of wall, it hasn't so far. i've watched quite a bit of the other sunday, shows, alex stand you have members of congress, and more soon to be sworn in members of congress pushing themselves into a pretzel to basically say that constitution is good, but not mentioned donald trump. similar to what we saw when donald trump had dinner with ye and we're now at holocaust in iran and antisemite. what's interesting about the whole thing is that trump forgets the whole oath of office when he was sworn in as president was to preserve and protect and defend the constitution.

the very thing he wants to abolish. i think president biden's response of you can love america when you when, i would argue donald trump is never loved america. these loved one person, and he sees that and a reflection when he looks in the mirror. >> dave, let's take a listen to an exchange. this is what republican congress -- said earlier today. let's play that. >> would you support a candidate if he wants to suspend the constitution? >> he says a lot of thanks. you have to take him in context. right now, i have to worry about making sure that his republican governance, group republican majority that we make things work for people. i can't be really chasing every one of his crazy statements that come out for many of these candidates at the moment. but that's an extraordinary statement. he can come out against someone who's for suspending the constitution? >> first, off he has no ability to suspend the constitution. >> but he's for it. >> he says a lot of things.

that doesn't mean that it's ever going to happen. you have to ace structured fantasy. >> i know you are shaking your hats, but david, how extraordinary is that he cannot come out directly against someone who wants to suspend the constitution. how many others do you think are going to now offer some kind of equally machine wash the answer? >> yeah, alex, painful to. watch i served there for joyce, i consider him a friend. what i would suggest is this is an indication of donald trump continues to have this grip on the gop. david joyce is actually one of those slightly more moderate midwestern members that you would expect would break with donald trump. if he is not willing, to that tells you that no one else really will as well. look, we will hear a variety of condemnations talking around the issue, much like we did with kanye and fuentes. i think at the end of the day, what you will see is what i call the mitch mcconnell. rule that is whom over the gop

nominee, is they will fall in line and support that nominee. including if it's donald trump. >> it's funny -- because former congressman whom i spoke with earlier in this hour's as the same thing about the rejoice. very moderate, dying up to wonder if he's kicking himself now thinking, oh man, the blow back. this is not who i am. i don't know, maybe he's thinking that. this latest outburst comes days after trump gave his support to -- who are charged with attacking the capitol. take a listen to this. >> patriot freedom is what it's about. that is not happening in our country. people have been treating unconstitutionally, in my opinion, and very unfairly. we're going to get to the bottom of ads. >> don, is donald trump more openly embracing extra -- compared to previous campaigns. is this how it plans to win another four years in the white house? >> you know, i don't know his campaign strategy is. he certainly embracing the

extremism. again, this is the natural progression of where we are. i don't want to sound alarm as, there are people who are smarter than i have thought about this stuff and written on the staff. i would direct or viewers to a book on on tyrants by de snyder. he's a professor of yell school of law. he talks about this essentially by tracing the arca pastry. if you look at where he lit again the rhetoric, and you look to his colleagues, and people on that right side of german leadership who wore -- did not tamp that down, that's the position that david joyce is and right now. that's the position the former congressman was then. they chose not to suppress that top. that devolves into totalitarianism by normalizing not only january six which has become normalized, but these people have been elevated as true patriots. the next insurrection will be much worse. i want to be clear, the necessary outcome of things like to tell it areas them is

violence. the necessary outcome of elevating these people who have participated in violent insurrection is more and larger than agrees of violence. it's very clear, history is very instructive, as to how we get here. that's what we're seeing. unfortunately, alex, we're not seeing the beginning of this. we're at the 2025 yard line of a very clear progression into something much's suboptimal, far more suboptimal than the operating functional democracy. >> i have to say, it's so concerning the amount of times we've heard mentioned on this broadcast, and throughout media in general, the words adolf hitler, and leading up to nazism, in all of that. this year alone it has been horrific if you start to count at. suzanne, it brings me to this question. donald trump, he still phase in the fall from hosting the dinner with ei, and nick fuentes. yeas fanning the flames after making outrageously antisemitic statements. the more this kind of thing paul's on trump, can he get out from under a?

>> well,, alex it's been less than three weeks since donald trump announced his campaign for presidents. he's had a major court decision go against him when it came to mar-a-lago. he has been asked not to go as the leading republican, because he's the only announced candidate for president, not to go to georgia of all states. he's been banned from georgia. he's been seen having dinner with anti synthetic, horrid, racist individuals and yet the party is still not gone completely away. maybe he thinks he can hold on to the angry 20% stats angry and violent 20%, perhaps but i have to say it's the next three weeks goes like this, he may actually be -- >> you want to chime in on this, david? give me a reaction? >> i agree with suzanne. we're kind of watching donald trump implode about. i think the silence of rob

desantis my, and others, because this is been a very good three weeks for. than the question, is there may be a scenario now or donald trump simply cannot marshal enough republicans to get the nomination. and the pecan, but if you can't, want to see? do he may actually burn down the party rather than hand the torch to desantis. we may be in that situation. if he denies losing the gop nomination, or if he tells us voters to stay home, this is one of those ultimate scenarios we've considered. he loses and 20, comes back in 24, breaks the party and a half. >> extraordinary. i want to get it one last question, guys, in a different topic with a new news article that says biden's 2024 primary calendar gives kamala harris an edge in a future white house bed. it's south carolina and nevada and up at the front, and harris would be starting out in a strong position. don, do you agree with that? how much is this part of president biden's overall calculus? >> she would be in a strong

position regardless of the order of the state, simply because she is the vice president. however, is this changing of ordering of states advantages anyone who is able to speak capably and competently to communities of color. the previous set up disadvantaged communities of color, diverse communities across the country, and i think that's what the biden is trying to rectify more than trying to advantage the vice president. to be clear, this does not advantage just. her this advantages anyone who has the ability to speak to diverse communities as candidates. don, susan, david, thank you. gas prices this country have been steadily falling, they did so again today. could new -- of oil producing countries change? that the answer next. a live report from dubai. t from dubai u get advice like: just stop. go for a run. go for 10 runs! run a marathon. instead, start small. with nicorette. which can lead to something big.

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early today, a group of oil producing nations led by saudi arabia and russia agreed to stick to its policy of reduced oil production. they won't cut output any further, at least for. now two months ago, opec prize in court the u.s. and its allies when it agreed to cut production by 2 million barrels per day. that's about 2% of world demand. joining me now from dubai, cbc international correspondent, have the gamble. hadley, welcome. as you, know a few months ago opec plus ignored the calls from the u.s. to release more petroleum, trying to lower u.s. gas prices. how might this decision to keep it where it, as montaigne the same applied, impact the fuel prices and the global economy? >> well essentially, alex, this is what is known as a roll over. there is such a keeping in line with the decision that we made a couple of months ago in terms of the production cuts. when we think about this a bit more broadly, these are folks that are really watching this market closely. they are looking at the demand picture, they are looking at the impact that these lockdowns and china may have. they're also looking at the

long term, and even short term impact that the cap on russian oil can have on the markets, because you don't want to downplay the situation. we're at a very critical point where russia could just stands to even allow themselves to cut production, to take barrels off the market, just to her ear, up the west, and their efforts at this point. to curtail their profits from crude. >> okay, but gas prices in the u.s. have been steadily falling over the past couple months, despite this cut in opec. can you explain that for us? and the factors that are responsible for a lower prices at the pump. >> okay, china is essentially -- important to the demand picture as opec plus as to the supply side. you never want to discount how important is the word recession. at the end of the day, and a high inflationary environment, people are looking at their bank accounts and thinking, where can make a cost? how can i make the money that i have stretch as far as i possibly can. things like higher energy costs

are outweighed in some ways by higher food prices, mortgage, raids the fact that people are really stretching their funds to make things go as far as possible. one of the things that they're able to cut is so bad for that group. they're just driving less. what are the questions going forward is not just the pitch back at home in the united states, but also globally in terms of this cap on russian oil. it's been very mixed receive, mixed reception from folks we've spoken to over the last few months. india, china, and others have made it clear that they're open to continuing to take on russia, just as long as they can essentially bypass any kind of sanctions from the west, from the united states. the bigger question going forward is the demand picture, and how important what we've seen in china, in terms of the covid strategy, it's going to be long term for the market. what we really see over the last couple of days, and weeks, even a saudi arabian, at the de facto leader of a pack, speaking to all of their partners and, saying, guys they know that you want to produce, more but at the end of the day,

we don't know enough about the impact that this cap on russian crude, as well as the bigger picture, which is the china demand story. >> gotcha. i'm always much more clear on things like this after speaking with you. thank you so much for ironing all out for us. have a good one. in the meantime, it is a warning to republicans in the former gop leader about what might be president biden's most powerful political advantage. that's ahead. and mounting legal losses for donald trump, or he faces the most peril. most peril nicorette knows, quitting smoking is freaking hard. you get advice like: just stop. go for a run. go for 10 runs! run a marathon. instead, start small. with nicorette. which can lead to something big. start stopping with nicorette. the eat fresh® refresh just won't stop! now, subway® is refreshing their catering with easy-order platters and lunchboxes perfect for any party. pool parties... tailgates... holiday parties... even retirement parties. man, i love parties. subway keeps refreshing and refreshing

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