i am. [applause] >> yes. oh my gosh. that may have been a first for saturday night live as keke palmer revealed her pregnancy in her monologue. there was no shortage of comedy on the show including an open future of a meeting between herschel walker and republican senate leader. >> in the final push, let's lay low and focus on the message. >> exactly. just like kanye. >> now, now, no. on the issues people care about, inflation, crime. >> vampires, werewolves, -- yeah. we're gonna be looking at all of that. >> all right, that wraps it up for me. i'm yasmin vossoughian, all the back in the chair next saturday and sunday. -- at 10 am. so we'll see you there.

symone starts right now. symone starts righ >> greetings, you are watching symone, the final count down, the georgia senate between senator raphael warnock and republican challenger herschel walker. they have two days to make their pitch to persuade state voters. we're talking to civil rights icon, who knows some things about georgia. i'm talking about -- andrew yang. we're gonna get into the critical importance of this race to the future of this nation. plus, the respect for marriage actors heading to the house this week. we're talking about the protections for the lgbtq+ community, that the legislation provides. -- i'm congratulations for my girl mess keke palmer, we are talking about her surprise announcement on snl in the regroup. i'm one symone sanders-townsend, and i have something to say. ♪ ♪ ♪

two days, two days, people. that's how long we have until we'll know whether georgia voters will give democrats a 54 seat in the united states senate. but the reelection of democratic senator, raphael warnock, whereas republicans will gain a protect jeff la jolla herschel walker. more than 1.2 million people voted early in georgia. this includes 76,000 voters who cast ballots in the runoff but not in the general election. that's more than double the vote margin that separated warnock and walker in november. this is crucial, of candidates, thbeen hitting that vinyl in this final stretch. senator warnock appearing at three different events and athens, and gainesville. and herschel walker speaking to voters in loganville. make no mistake, whatever

happens on tuesday, will have monumental effect on georgians, and on our nation's future. our next cat, civil rights icon and former ambassador, andrew yang, is someone that not only known as georgia better than almost any one else. but he knows the work. i'm talk about the work that led us to this moment. because he was doing it. young says when he started out as a preacher in thomasville, georgia, this wise advice inspired. and it says you can do anything you want in those fields, preacher, but it's not until gots time that the flowers bloom and the cherries bear fruit. that was months before the lynching of emmett till, and the start of the bus boycotts. from that time forward, young dedicated his life to making sure that the fight for justice, for civil rights and equality bore fruit. he served as executive director of the southern christian leadership conference, a close friend and confidant of martin luther king junior, andrew young was by dr. king side as he took his last breath.

andrew young served as the first black congress member from georgia since reconstruction, and the first black person appointed ambassador to the united nations. after that extensive -- he served two terms as the mayor of atlanta, georgia. the turnout that we're seeing in the peach state, the representation of georgia is seeing in the senate. it wasn't -- this progress was claimed. it was claimed through organizing, protest, threw blood through the determination of icons like the man who joins us now. ambassador andrew yang. welcome to you sir. it's very, very good to see you. you know, mister ambassador, you've experienced so much defining moments of our american history, and you've spent your life pushing us forward -- and now, you may even see georgia's first black senator win reelection. i had to imagine when you are a young activist, did you think you'd see this moment in your lifetime? >> i really did a.

i thought -- i knew we can do almost anything we wanted to do. but we didn't have control over the senate. we didn't have statewide control. -- when i was mayor, we were less than 1 million people, atlanta now is a metropolitan. it's approaching 7 million people. we've had more voters coming in, we've had more people coming out of our colleges and universities. and, fact we have close to 1 million students in college. those are black and white. from hope scholarships. and, so georgia has paved in educational boost, economic boost, and there is no reason why we won't take political boosts. >> you know, not too long ago,

i think it's fair to say that democrats winning multiple statewide elections in georgia was completely out of the question. there was a coalition put together, in georgia and i'd like to say i don't know if people know, the coalition you put together when you won your first race for congress, was one of black voters, but white voters. middle, and working class voters. in the district. so, how do you think democrats should apply this strategy to other southern states? >> actually, what we did was we organize the black community, but we didn't -- and we all run racial elections. we run elections based on intelligence, efforts, history and and raphael warnock, i think, is closer personality to martin luther king as i've seen in this generation.

he's wise, he's calm, his politics is based spiritually on the heritage of his father and grandfather, he comes from rural georgia. -- that can backfire from you, it's the same region that a certain member of the supreme court came from. and so, he didn't get the message. warnock got the message. and he's demonstrated that, he has been a student -- as was dr. canning. and there's something i say, i wonder how there is always a rivalry, but i still say i served on wildes board. they gave me an honorary degree. we used to say, you can tell

them -- you can't tell a much. >> and aunts, i think he represents a tradition of martin luther king, of benjamin nays, of howard thurman. and the black intelligence that elected jimmy carter. that supported all the way back to eisenhower. republicans -- candidates from the republican party. who we had kennedy, johnson, and it's been a very well educated -- it's grown so fast. >> it's a sophisticated electorate? >> very much so. >> but we're caught up in the confusion of the other party.

and they are doing things, i don't think aren't anybody's interests. and they become a party of no. and they want somebody that doesn't know much. that would say no, and that will block any progress effect -- economically. a little late, culturally, and really the conscience of a nation has come in and helped us i think. and what i was running for congress, -- all day the day that i was the one day i had and we still had a 72% turnout. and we got about 15% of the white but. and it was inconceivable, but it means that we have good

people in georgia. and we've had -- and we can't let the confusion on the other side, not only turned back georgia but turned back our whole nation. >> america needs to lead the world in this period. it's very dangerous everywhere. >> ambassador, this is why i was so honored to have you on today. i think you said everything that needed to be said, sir. >> one more thing i'd like to say. they want to campaign against joe biden. i when i was in congress and joe biden in 1973. and joe biden wise, i think, almost like an overlord. and then his wife, his daughter were killed. and he almost approached the

same -- for a young man, to lead washington, get on the train every day and go and race two boys. i went to africa couple times. and when it wasn't popular to go to africa. he's always been trying to do what's right, and what's best. -- and the world. he is a global view, but he's a country boy from pennsylvania, and delaware. and he represents i think, the best that america has to offer at this moment. and i think he needs the kind of support that warnock will give him. >> and bassett, or knowing the president how i do, i can say for sure that i'm sure he appreciates the comments you

just made. and i hope people in georgia are listening. we'll see what happens on tuesday. ambassador, andrew young. thank you so much for your time today. >> god bless you. >> god bless you and happy birthday. 90 this year. it's a milestone. >> here to unpack everything that the great ambassador just said. what's happening in georgia beyond i want to bring in my political panel, sabrina rodríguez, national political reporter for the washington post. former keith boykin, clinton white house aide and, -- robinson republic. we just had an icon, keith, your reaction to what you just heard from ambassador young on the importance of georgia? >> while, i think andrew wrong -- comes from that same tradition that andy young, john louis, julia von, smith black, in the state of georgia -- martin luther king as well. and it's sad and that's race has got into a runoff in georgia.

that's clearly herschel walker as -- he's an embarrassment to the state of georgia. and to the republican party. he's become a punchline to the republican party of saturday night live. and raphael warnock's busy talking about policy, in herschel walker is talking about werewolves and kunce. the choice couldn't be clearer for the people of the state of georgia. >> sabrina, i want to talk about recent reporting by you and your colleagues at the post. you all right and you talk to, you write that operatives on the ground in georgia that they're growing nervous about rockers prospects. what are they saying to you? i know ryan is a republican -- will get to brian in the second. sabrina, tell us what the reporting says? >> the reporting has just shown us in the weeks leading up to the runoff. there's been a concern that walker isn't going to be able to pull it off. heading into this runoff, we saw that warnock was ahead by

about 36,000 votes. even if he didn't hit the 50% required to win outright. and then we saw the big gap between the votes that governor brian kemp caught, and what walker got. and one of the things we're seeing now in the final days of him campaigning, it's tomorrow for example, he's heading to mostly north georgia. one of the areas where there's a gaffe between civil war for camp and walker. he really has had to make up for. that a lot of operatives on the ground are saying, we hands at him camp on a civil patter to campaign for him, put him in tv. adds to come help and beef up his campaign. he hasn't necessarily taken the opportunity. he hasn't been as aggressively on the campaign trail. and it's a real concern for a lot of the party. >> brian, well one, do you share this sentiment? but is this also what you've heard from fellow strategist and republicans in georgia? >> while, as far as chances go, you have democrats that have

hundred thousands of votes already. we're going into tuesday, but raphael warnock being hundreds of thousands of votes ahead, and my estimation and under republicans who are looking at the data coming in. herschel walker on election day, in november, got 220,000 more votes than warnock did. warnock beat him in the early vote and absentees. so, walker's gonna have to have a massive turn it on tuesday. and it's -- your georgia counties have got to come out and force -- i know she's not popular necessarily with this political battle. but people like marjorie taylor greene need to help get the strong republican base out to the polls. yes, he did lie behind camp of it. camped out there winning his public capital at the moment. but tuesday's gonna be a big day for republicans and it's gonna be make-or-break. >> we will be watching on tuesday. i want to remind folks at home there's no more early vote

tuesday is the last day to get it done. i want to talk about something that's been in the news. democrats are moving to restructure the democratic primary order in 2024. we're talking about move, but not just 2024, but beyond. they want to move south carolina to the front line. ousting iowa, adding georgia to the first five primaries, and keeping new hampshire in the mix. keith, talk a little bit about the strategy here. and who doesn't benefit most in 2024. i need to know, if president biden does that decide to run freely election, as he intends to do, there will be a primary? >> what would happen in 2020, as you recall, symone, we have diverse candidates in the democratic primary line. very few of them made it very far. in part because of the way we set up the system with iowa and new hampshire at the beginning. and south carolina which has

the largest black voters in the states, doesn't come into the end of february. i think it's really important to boost our count up to the front. because black voters are the most loyal -- democratic party. and i think black voters should have a voice in choosing the democratic nominee is gonna be. before iowa, new hampshire which isn't represented in the party in terms of constituency. before they get a chance to put their fingers on the scale if you will. i support this move, i like the idea of having nevada, michigan, and georgia in the lineup. get some states there that are reflective of the diversity of the population. iowa new hampshire on those states the reflect the diverse population of the democratic party. >> the people in the midwest are gonna be mad at you, keith, you've told that one line my friend. >> it's the. truth >> i want to move on to my least favorite subject. talking about former president donald trump. he's hard to avoid. i mean he recently called for suspending the united states

constitution and appointing himself president based on false claims about the election. he said this on his social media site. this was two weeks after hospital already leader, kevin mccarthy, vowed that republicans would read the constitution allowed on the house floor on the first day in congress. brian, there are many republicans who say their strict constitutionalist. what's your reaction to donald trump's absurd suggestion. and it's not even a suggestion, it's something that cannot happen. it literally blows my mind. where the republicans landing on this? >> i hope it can't happen. in recent years, we've all got concern of the future of our democracy. but for actions on both sides, from the view of the republican. i think republicans are gonna begin, have already begun to react differently to things that former president trump says before there was a reflection of defense. simply because if you stood up with him within the party, you'd be destroyed. like, your political career be

over. we've seen that break, and guess who broke, at georgia. we reelected brian comp, got into the primaries, and gave him a big margin. and this november, he was the first guy to successfully stand up to trump and when. i think he bent the arc of the story. >> people are saying brian kemp might have bigger aspirations. we might need to talk about that another. day four sabrina rodríguez, keith boykin, and brian robinson, thank you all, very, very much. congress is doing work this week. they'll send -- to president biden's desk. it's a very good step, the question is is it enough. i'm gonna ask that question to congressman ritchie torres. but first, our besties here, my colleague richard lui, with other top news stories. hey. richard >> back to you my friend. we're watching several stories. first, off attorney general saying the country's morality police were disbanded. and that a review of hijab law is under way, this says local

media. it's the first time a senior officer commented on the morality police. -- protests sparked in september. but there is no confirmation from iran's leadership, interior ministry, or police. which raises the question as to whether ag's comments were sanctioned or true. we'll follow. that and the city of wisconsin's counting down its first rehearsal parade since a man drove through last year, killing six and injuring dozens. this year's festivities will include more security and a new roof, it's that the -- five eastern. and soccer legend pele is responding well to treatment for respiratory infection as a brazilian hospital where he's been covering there since tuesday. the 82 year olds receiving chemotherapy against cancer. he remains brazil's all-time leading scorer. more are symone, right after this. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ kevin! kevin! kevin?

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the final passage of the respect from aaron jacked. this is a historic piece of legislation. it enshrines protection for same-sex marriage. as this new law law require all 50 states to recognize, to continue to recognize same-sex marriage even f the supreme court strikes down the protections established by the -- burger feld v. hodges. the respect for marriage at passed in the senate last week, and now it heads to the house

where it's also expected to pass that head over to the presidents desk. despite this very important step forward, it's an incremental step but it's important. many are still concerned and rightfully so about the need for additional protections left out of the legislation. joining me now to discuss is congressman ritchie torres, he's a democrat representing new york's 15th congressional district. very good to see you again, sir. let me first get your thoughts on the significance of this upcoming vote in the house. i believe it's scheduled for tuesday? >> yes. and the respect of marriage act represents -- we in congress are doing for marriage. what we should've done for the right to an abortion. more trying to get in front of overawe. and how to protect it from the wings of the supreme court. on the federal rights for marriages essentially insurance policy against the far-right supreme court. and the risk it poses to marriage equality. as you said, clarence thomas was on a mission to overturn a

whole host of cases. protecting the right to marriage, the right to intimacy, the right to privacy. and so instead of standing by idly, and allowing those rights to be stripped away. or harnessing the power of federal rot protect. >> i want to check into what the legislation requires. it does require states to recognize previously established same sex marriages. it does not require states to issue new marriage licenses to same sex couples. i think that's significant, if the supreme court overturns obergefell v. hodges, the 35 states that have bans on the books that would kick in blocking those marriage licenses from being issued. so, can we expect action from congress to address this particular pace? >> wow, the respect for marriage act was the only bill that could survive the filibuster. so even though it's five far from perfect represents progress. it repeals the defense of marriage act.

which is one of the most discriminatory laws ever an act that in american history, in my view. and it provides a federal recognition of marriages. keep in mind there more than 1000 federal laws providing benefits, rights, and privileges to married couples under the respect for marriage act same-sex couples would have equal access to those federal benefits and privileges. as is the legislation perfect, no, it is a represent historic progress. absolutely. >> i think that's a fair assessment, congressman. those folks that would cite the exemption for religious nonprofits who don't believe in gay marriage. and ask, why was that included. and say that's maybe a hindrance to the bell. what would you say to those folks? and is there any plan to address that gap going forward? >> the respect for marriage act, is the best bill that we could pass within the constraints of political reality. we have a stumbling block, known as the republican party,

and the overwhelming majority of republicans in the senate and house remain -- that's reality we did our best to overcome. >> all right, congressman ritchie torres, straight no chaser. i appreciate your time, sir. thank you. >> i meant he was giving me the facts straight, people. people here are like, what. i want to now bring in sarah kate ellis, she's the ceo and president of glaad. sarah, you're someone that just tells it like it is. so, i want to start with your thoughts on the respect for marriage act. what does it mean for lgbtq plus rights, given the gaps i've discussed with congressman torres? >> it's a step in the right direction. here is the deal, when you're a marginalized community that's been largely invisible, the majority of the time. it's a packed work of rights were pulling together. as best as we possibly can. >> every move forward, or every

move is a move forward for thert to marriage equality. at the supreme court level. i also think there is a real threat to intimacy at the supreme court level. which is something we haven't really talked about. but thomas did say, he's looking to overturn lawrence v. taxis. which is about intimate same-sex relationships. that would criminalize us as a community. so, i think these are all steps in the right direction. >> sarah kate, i want to make sure we talk about the supreme court. i want to underscore something both you and the congressman said. this is the reality, political realities were living. and i think you need to continue to be aspirational, but also dealing with the world that we are in a push for progress. given that world, the supreme court's gonna hear a case this week, and it involves a colorado based web designer who argues that she should be able to refuse to create wedding

website for same sex couples. because she has a free speech right to refuse that work. and that conflict with her views if she cannot do that. i'm starkly reminded of when the same court heard the dobbs case. and the dobbs case ended up getting row. so, how concerned should folks be about this case going further than what exactly on the table? >> very concerned. to put it bluntly. i think, i think let's pull back the curtain here, this is the alliance defending freedom, which is manufactured this. there is nobody that wet to this woman's website service, who same sex and asked for a website. so, this is a manufactured case. because they want to attack lgbtq people. this is, by -- southern poverty law center. it designated an anti-hate group. they're very anti lgbtq.

they've been coming after us since marriage equality, it's something that became of a piece of the conversation, or part of the culture. and, so their job is coordinating to attack us in public accommodations. so, we can't live freely out in the world. and i think that we should be very concerned considering how the supreme court's been lining up lately. >> sarah kate ellis, thank you for breaking that down. and bolding underlining everything you just said, we appreciate your time. >> thank you. >> now the january six committee is still active, but only have 27 days left to finish its work before time is up. the clock is ticking. so, next time when a talk with a former federal prosecutor about everything they need to do before it's too late. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ty. in fact, subaru is the largest corporate donor to the aspca...

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hearings and countless pages of testimony the january six committee is expected to release its final report before an expires at the end of this month. the committee will also decide whether or not to advance a criminal referral to the justice department against former president donald trump. potentially adding to is now legal lows. joining me now to discuss, is former federal prosecutor and msnbc legal animus, cynthia -- cynthia thank you for being here. you always have the details, let's start with this giant

decision the committee has to make on charges. judging from the committee's work so far, what charges if any do you think they would refer? >> i don't think ultimately they will refer. i don't think they need to. this guy jack smith is on top of that. he's moving very quickly, there is a pleading and then the very next day he's responding in the middle of a thanksgiving holiday. they kept a ruling from the court, the very next day you could put witnesses in the grand jury for ten hours. i don't think they need to unnecessarily pull it aside in their position. i don't think that's important are necessary. >> i agree with you. let the people know, cynthia. >> let's get into some news over the last couple of days. former white house cancel, but out cipollone, and his deputy patrick philbin. they were seen entering the courthouse area of the u.s. district court in washington, d.c., on friday where at least one grandeur he was meeting. an attorney for cipollone

without comment to nbc news on the reason for his appearance, but this comes right after a federal judge reportedly ordered the pair to provide additional testimony, rejecting donald trump's claims of executive privilege. how significant would youhow siy this development is, what do you think we all need to stop speculating? >> i think it's a huge development, because these are the people that had direct conversations with trump about the documents at mar-a-lago. what had to go, they made negotiations with. them as well as the run up to what was going on to overturn the election. these are direct conversations with trump. that's what we're missing from them and from pants. who still doesn't have the guts to do what he supposed to do and testify in front of a grand jury. >> he's left his staff out there to hank. >> right. recognize that they can testify and one ground jury, in the

mar-a-lago grand jury and then be asked all of the questions. and those questions and asked airs if they ask questions about the insurrection, those questions and answers can be read into other grand jury. it doesn't matter what ground jury they go into, as long as they make a record about the conversations they had with trump. and what he was doing to overturn the election, and steal documents from the american people, and refused to return them for what she will ultimately be indicted. >> a very important point. lastly, i want to talk about the 11th circuit panels ruling that really struck down judge aileen cannon's special master order in the mar-a-lago documents case. this is a stark rebuke of her order. what is this battle go next? we >> wow, the documents case could be indicted tomorrow if they wanted. they have the evidence to indict the documents case. but what they will do, is now get a hold of all those 22,000 pages. and review them to find out exactly what happened what them,

how they relate to the confidential documents that they already have, who trump shared them with. so, there is a lot of background research that needs to be done in order to finally prepare the case. but just so our viewers understand, the case is relatively simple. the facts are at this point pretty obvious, they stole the documents and he refused to return them, they relate to national security. he made efforts to conceal them. the case can be indicted any day. >> cynthia, thank you, you're sending out, thank you very, very much. >> next, the asian american pacific islander community in georgia is growing in size. and it's growing influence as a voting bloc. up next, we'll get into how their voters could very well tip the scale in that crucial senate georgia runoff. stay with us. ♪ ♪ ♪ with us ♪ ♪ ♪ unlike some others, neuriva plus is a multitasker

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islander voters across the country, they have something to say. according to new pew research from 2000 to 2019, asian americans were the fastest growing racial ethnic group in the united states. the georgia runoff election in just two days away and aapi votes, they could put either of the candidates over the top according to new msnbc news reports and aapi data released in 2021. asian voter turnout in georgia grew by 84% or, to put it more pointedly, 61,000 votes between 2016 and 2020. those ballots were a large part of the reason president biden won the state in an effort to mobilize aapi voters, senator raphael warnock's campaign recently released a group of digital ads called proud -- featuring people sharing why they are voting for the democratic candidate who are

korean, chinese, and the enemies. warnock was also a naypyidaw just last night. i wanna bring in someone who knows a little bit about a lot here -- director of the asian american advocacy fund. you are the expert here. organizing expert on what is happening with the aapi community on the ground in georgia, and it's important out here that the aapi community is not a monolith. it is vast and diverse, so, do you think the two parties really to understand this diversity. that they are doing enough outreach for this voting bloc? >> yeah, thank you symone for that question. the asian american community is not a monolith in the takes intensive research, relationship building, and organizing to really mobilize our communities and i don't think that's possible by anyone candidate or party unless they have a long term infrastructure to organize and continue to mobilize the communities over the course of elections.

so, organizations like ours, the asian american advocacy fund, is here year-round making sure that we are not talking about voters during the election season but we are touching on them about legislative issues. reminding them about the opportunities that is provided to us because these like toiletries, particularly after 2020 in 2021. that is how we do our work every year and every election. . >> in georgia, in the last few weeks, georgia is actually in the state legislature just got its first aapi caucus. if you just could describe the feeling on the ground for the community right now about what the potential is for the organizing capabilities. what they could do if they turn up and vote. what is that feeling? >> our voters are so proud of our efforts in. in 2020, again in 2021, and just recently in 2022 midterms and it's so impactful to see that our votes mattered. i know from so many community members, so many groups, they

are excited to see that increased representation at the local and state level. they want to make sure that their voices are heard once again during this runoff. i think what's going to be key for our turnout this week is going to be if we can he mobilizing our community and show up and remind them what is possible if we win 51 seats. >> well, aisha, let me say that it is organizers who help win elections and push our democracy forward. you are an organizer going and doing the work. aisha, thank you very much. >> all right, y'all. the group chats are blowing up about a few things. one of them is keke palmer's big baby surprise last night on snl. we have got the tee up next in the regroup. don't you go anywhere. kevin? oh nice. kevin, where are you... kevin?!?!?.... hey, what's going on? i'm right here! i was busy cashbacking for the holidays with chase freedom unlimited.

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is -- the host of 105 fm. i'm starting with you, i am a big keke fan. i'm very happy for everything that is happening in her life, her career. the other night was harassed and al debut. were you surprised by the announcement that she made? >> oh, quinn, you are muted. >> there we go, simone! >> i am like, come on. >> i was saying i was definitely surprised. we should be on mute, about being up in this ladies business. i was less concerned with her being pregnant. she's 29 and rich. more concerned about who the baby daddy was. okay? what we find out that she is he is darius jackson, brother to -- who played on insecure and, guys, calm down it is not a shotgun baby. they're not having a shock on wedding. kiké has been with her man for a year and a half. they met at -- bash hosted by didi and these

are raised. everything is on the up and up for kiké. . -- >> he literally grew up on the big screen, so i think people forget that she has a life and she is also not a child. she's 29 years old. >> right? >> how do you think she did last night on snl and are you excited for the new -- >> high thing she did an amazing job last night. key palmer has a sense of humor and charisma to pull off what she did last night. i wasn't surprised with the baby news because, like you said, the internet has been talking about this since back in september. i'm like, girl, we knew we were you are present pregnant. we're just glad you decide to share with us on what you already knew. up here i think she did an amazing job and i think people have lash akilah in the grow up because akilah has apparently been stung by a bee, if you know what i mean. >> honestly i am done with both of y'all. >> [laughter] well congratulations to kiké palmer.

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