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moving snake river, have yet to surrender a body. >> is she gone forever? >> i know we're not going to give up. >> hopefully we might still find her remains. >> for the justice system, its case close. but for those rachel left behind -- >> you know, there's no truth justice. just bring her back. >> is there a new chapter opening up for you? >> it's just begun. because when i found my mom was missing, i fought tooth and nail. so did actually. that's what we do. so at this point, it feels like the fight is over. the grieving process for me has just begun. because there's nothing left to fight for. >> that's all for this edition of dateline. i'm craig melvin. thank you for watching.
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she was free spirited. just loved life. >> what were the chances she would ever walk away from that family? . >> there weren't any chances. liz would've never left her children. >> the missing persons unit, did not see any signs of foul play. it's like look, i just feel like something was wrong. >> i very much believe my friend was in danger. >> if you get the impression you on a list of possibles. >> the researchers of his home -- >> the victim was cooperative, the boyfriend would not. got a warrant for his phone and computer. >> this is a very complicated, pace elizabeth mattered, she needs to be brought to justice. >> i got a goal called flame will never forgive you. >> >> it was just a picture,
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showed up one day on social media back in 2014. it was early offering in our missing america series, and that bright, open face the question that begged for answers. who was elizabeth sullivan. >> it's completely brilliant. she was almost an unacknowledged enis. >> i couldn't describe, it is like a tornado mob those disheveled, and she was flighty, and three top here in here and go over the place. >> they knew her well, these two, so they knew that in october of 2014, something very serious what's going on. >> i've never seen her so nervous. she didn't know what to do. >> the best friend seem to be
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on the verge of doing something drastic. >> she was angry, she was -- i want to call it frantic, but it gives you cold sweats. >> we needed to know, what happened to her? who >> was she alive? what she did? he couldn't know that he. we can there is a story here that we could see. we didn't know then, the following the mystery around this woman, all these, ears would take us to places as strange as fiction. >> and again, and the very beginning, ordinary was not the sort of word you used to describe missile oven. smart, maybe, funny perhaps, vibrant, well read. a little ocd. >> when i first saw her, she was beautiful, and i thought she was fashionista. and we started talking.
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i just needed to know more. >> liz was in her twenties when she met calandrelli get. but soon they were like teenagers. >> it was fabulous. there are oftentimes where we spent three, four hours, maybe a bottle of wine, getting ready to go out, to never make it anywhere. >> there was, there is something else about liz. her friend to landry knew and understood. >> i think that if the world in itself were a little more introspective, we would've figured out that we all have a little something, and we wouldn't judge others for the little something. >> this is a little something was that she had trouble regulating her emotions. which might help explain how tangled her love life eventually became.
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it might also explained her unique flair, for sometimes manic enthusiasms. >> she was exploring vienna dancer, she was a swarm being a writer. >> and it's sometimes also major unpredictable, or anxious. >> she wasn't so different, said calandrelli. >> sometimes you can have a perfectionist personality, that leads people to think that you are disorganized. >> and in her case? >> in her case, she was very infectious. elizabeth had a very eclectic and personality. >> listen to landra lived near northern virginia, the biggest naval station in the country is in norfolk, in the whole world, in fact. and somewhere in that big quadrant of a romantic possibilities, liz encountered him. her perfect guy, matthew sullivan, minnesota kid in the navy, night and shining armor. so then, it became a love
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story. >> could you see that little sparkle in our eye, that she was infatuated with the guy? >> you could see it when they were around each other, they sparked up really quickly. i think she saw so much potential. lose saw a lot of potential in everything, everything have potential. >> matt seemed to promise permanence, stability, wasn't just a handsome face, who's a ticket to something better. >> did he see what she can do for her? >> he saw stability an opportunity. and then, possibly, a stable, loving relationship like her grandparents, long haul. >> but it's a story as old as war. the navy loves love as any institution that is, that maybe not so much when it comes to personal matters, like actually spending time with the one you love. matt was reassigned across the country to san diego, california, but he just wasn't ready to say goodbye, to the most exciting woman he'd ever
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known. and so, a couple of months after they met, matt proposed. and lou said yes. >> i think they got married so fast, because he is having a good time, she was having a good time, it seemed like a perfect match, perfect opportunity. >> so, then things were very busy indeed, as they puzzled around to get ready for the move out to the naval base in san diego. right in the middle that preparation, surprise surprise, -- >> she called me, and excuse my french, she was like holy bleep, i think as a kid in here. >> liz was pregnant, and a bit over well ms.. >> there is a entire period where we could not say stroller, because she couldn't breathe. >> gonna believe it is happening to her? >> couldn't believe. it >> is terrifying. >> couldn't believe, it she was our permanent rock star. she did not see that coming. >>. ,,.
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,, yet. coming up, so the news from liz 's husband, matt. >> they put her on red alert and freak out like nothing, and it concerned called the police. >> look, you know i'm just a friend, but she should've texted with me. i just feel that something's wrong. >> when dateline continues. when dateline continues r a nunormal with nucala. nucala is a once-monthly add-on treatment for severe eosinophilic asthma that can mean less oral steroids. not for sudden breathing problems. allergic reactions can occur. get help right away for swelling of face, mouth, tongue, or trouble breathing. infections that can cause shingles have occurred. don't stop steroids unless told by your doctor. tell your doctor if you have a parasitic infection. may cause headache, injection site reactions, back pain, and fatigue. ask your asthma specialist about a nunormal with nucala.
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like that of many military wife. but snatched out of immaturity, leaving everything behind to follow her husband across the country. they left norfolk, moved to san diego, but apparently had time to unpack before my was
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deployed overseas. >> she was still pregnant, so it was a struggle being alone. >> matt was far, far away, and their daughter was born. he came home for long enough fertilized can't pregnant a second time, but soon was away again. raising her kid in a town and stay completely for into, her lives felt -- her only contact with friends and family was on the phone. >> she was by herself, you, now so they came a time when she got a little job, so that she could meet, people be out in the public. >> and one day, lives walked in to an eyewear store, where nathan character worked. >> she had this plaid shirt on, that was like two sizes too big, and she was carrying this double stroller. and i was like oh now, what is this woman want. and she came in, and she was
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just a flurry, saying i'm sorry i don't normally look at this. and we just started talking until the store closed. >> but she was kind of like a little force of nature. >> not a little force nature, she was a huge force of nature. >> all right, there is. >> yes, she was. and, complicated, for reasons nathan would discover from self soon enough. >> why did you like her as much as he did? >> the first thing that your meter was her sense of humor, and she was smart, i like that she went to school. but eventually, i really begins a lot of lives because i didn't feel like i had to hide anything of myself from her. and she wouldn't judge me, because we both knew that we had are our flaws, and it was the first person i felt really comfortable, admitting stuff
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like that to. you know? >> that's a pretty rare thing. >> yeah >> so lizza nathan confided very personal things to each other, like liz's marriage. matt was back, but it wasn't going well. >> she and matt had moved to liberty station, a residential district in what would what used to be san diego's naval training center. >> she got settled into a routine where, he was basically a single mother. matt didn't know the kids, and she had a particular routine, and way, and that really got disrupted. >> when you go back? >> yes, when you can back on his bat for a while. all the sudden she had to integrate this new aspect into her life, and i was jarring. >> it's pretty common these days. , people coming back from deployments, and try to re-enter life, it's hard for them, it's hard for the family,
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they can't figure out quite what to do. >> especially since there wasn't any past with liz and matt there was that foundation of getting to know them really being with you. >> they weren't friends, as it were. >> exactly. >> the more liz and matt got to know each other the more they seem to be leagues in part, and she said the first time we spoke to her. >> i remember a very prevalent issue was that matt did not have a drivers license so something needed to be done or somebody need to get somewhere including him to work, it was lives waking up early taking him to work she would have to do the grocery shopping if they had appointments that was her also i also think that math was disappointed that he lost his big-time wife that he lost his
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big-time wife. >> it wasn't just the weight of daily wife driving a wedge. >> she would try to item about things, let's do, this what's got here, she saw all these opportunities for her in them, and he was content where he wasn't life, he didn't really want to explore or do much outside of work go home, or go home. >> so turn on the television have a beer that's it. >> yeah, and i wasn't cutting phyllis. >> you know, you ask a guy to step up and he doesn't step up, as a major math. >> i can't say, matt it was frustrating. i think it is more disappointing, like now what, i came out here because you're so responsible, but to be responsible together in bill this life, and has me building. and you're not doing much of what you need to do. >> right.
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>> on top of that. matt had just announced that his family, her in laws, we are about to move in with them. >> he had already made the arrangement, they were on their way. >> it put her on red are lurked, and freaks her out like nothing. i've never seen her so nervous. >> matt's mother was coming, and not just her, her partner and matt sister too. and liz, did not like them one bit. told nathan, matt's mom didn't approve of her, or her marriage to matt. >> there were qualities in the family members, that lives did not want around her daughter, definitely. >> when liz called nathan, she sounded desperate for a way out of that arrangement. >> did she then ask if she can come to talk through this? >> yeah, it wasn't it wasn't an ask, it was i'm in the car on the way over now. >> lives spent the night at
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nathan's, venting. and the next day, feeling somewhat better, but still wary went back home. >> but when nathan's voter the following day, she sounded tense. >> she was very hard to get off the phone, and it's like i have to, go by, done. >> before she hung up, liz told davison, she would call him in next, day monday. but, monday came, and went. >> it wasn't until i went to work on tuesday or lunchtime, i still hadn't heard from her, and i knew the plane was gonna land with her in laws. so that's what i thought it was weird. >> so, he called matt. >> has he heard from liz? >> no, and we hasn't heard from her since yesterday. >> matt knew lives was upset about his family moving in. they just drive that morning, and figured she was trying to put off dealing with them. wouldn't be the first time
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lives had gone off on her own, without saying where, or with him. she could be impulsive, as matt in nathan both new. but nathan couldn't shake the nagging feeling, that this time, there is more to it. and somewhat reluctantly, he made one more call. >> i called the police. i stress the fact that, look, i know i'm just a friend, but she should've checked in with me. i just feel like something is wrong. and officer kind of blew it off. >> but then, another day went by, and then a third. liz's daughters waited, matt waited, the in law settled in, everybody wondered, where is she? that's when, san diego police put the word out, the young mother of two was officially missing. >> coming up.
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>> a publicly from liz's dad. >> the missing persons unit did not see any sign of foul play. >> when she missing or hiding? >> she spotted in a soccer field of thousand feet from her house. m he house. ♪ ...by, you know how i feel. ♪ if you're tired of staring down your copd,... ♪ it's a new dawn, ♪ ♪ it's a new day... ♪ ...stop settling. ♪ ...and i'm feelin' good. ♪ start a new day with trelegy. no once-daily copd medicine has the power to treat copd in as many ways as trelegy. with three medicines in one inhaler, trelegy makes breathing easier for a full 24 hours, improves lung function, and helps prevent future flare-ups. trelegy won't replace a rescue inhaler for sudden breathing problems. tell your doctor if you have a heart condition or high blood pressure before taking it. do not take trelegy more than prescribed. trelegy may increase your risk of thrush, pneumonia,
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reporters find missing, investigators drop by liz's house. they met matt and the kids, and the in laws. and took a police type tour the place, as wide open. >> the missing persons unit had looked over it very well, and did not see any signs of foul play. >> that's detective kim collier. -- and what did they find? nothing, very illuminating. lives hadn't taken her car. it was parked in the garage. some trash in a parking receiver inside. and next door, car the usual garage stuff a big broken mirror in a stand-alone freezer like this one, which they opened. it was empty. >> today search her room in the house, that she shared with matt? >> yes, outside of it being a
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little messy, there was nothing of note. >> except, said matt, one of their suitcases was missing. >> she felt she might have love for their computer, and her laptop, and a phone. and wasn't sure, but he couldn't find those items. >> seem cooperative though? >> matt told the detectives, he had found her private journals, and he took a turn those over. something, else he was a pretty big deal. he had discovered that lives had transferred all the money and their joint checking account, $1,072 to her individual account, before she disappeared. so the cops called liz's credit union, and the people there confirmed, there was activity on her debit card, after she was reported missing. >> what did you think when you heard that? >> i was very hopeful. i was very excited, because that means that liz was somewhere, she wasn't dead. >> still, they posted flyers
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around town, her photo was all over the news. >> 31-year-old elizabeth sullivan, witnessing on october 2013 2013. >> that was peoples responds, people thought they recognize the woman on tv,, she's gone a week and she was spotted in a soccer field. i thousand feet from her house. >> who saw her? >> it was an off-duty police officer. >> in fact, an off-duty sheriff's deputy and his wife, so they saw and talk to liz six days after she went missing. they said she appeared disoriented, was looking for her phone, and told them she had slept in the park neck the night before. then days later another reported sighting, this went down in the san diego airport. but after that, a month passed with no sign of liz. matt gave him people magazine.
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>> i'm running on fumes right. now >> i don't know where to look. -- and be with matt, and the girls. >> he was interviewed by and i happy -- and pleaded with the public for help. >> i feel like she's in trouble. >> it can happen to, you and what it, does it gets very personal. and you get a strength looking never had before, because that's my daughter. >> and san diego detectives dove into their investigation. --
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they made my job very awkward, i was short with, him and said i couldn't leave them. and this, time you met, and it was very interrogatory. >> they ask you to take a polygraph? >> yes. >> what did you say? >> it is helpful to the place. >> i told, i'm go ahead, searchers house, which i said several times, and he consented of him both of his daughter's dna collected. just in case the first happened, and they needed to idea body. >> did you ask him to take a polygraph, any chance. >> he has. >> how did the score? >> he did pretty well. >> it was a suggestion about what happened to her?
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>> he ended up saying, she had just left, and walked out with a bag and he didn't know where she was going. >> and now, detectives had an idea or two to follow. they've been looking over those journals matted given them, and, well, things people right when they think no one will look. maybe lives sullivan's life is more complicated than anyone knew. maybe she didn't want to be found. ant to b found. coming up. secrets villa. liz, and a dating app? >> one day she had tinder. >> and private writings. >> there is a story about somebody that is missing. >> leave your kids, and runs, and leaves it all behind? >> right. >> fiction? or fact? >> it had some very real actual events in the story. >> when dateline continues. hen dateline continues just claire and i. she was still recovering from her brain surgery.
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have voted in the election between rafael warnock and herschel walker. former girlfriend of walker, accusing publicly of domestic violence, walker has not commented. >> and the attorney general of iran, has told the local media in the morality police is going to be disbanded, after multiple protests. msnbc cannot confirm his comments, and not been officially confirmed. now, back to dateline. to dateline. it didn't take very long. and san diego investigators asked family and friends, to tell them about the missing live sullivan, they ran into right away. >> she was complicated person, right? >> oh yeah. >> she's very complicated. >> complicated. lives have been diagnosed with the borderline personality disorder, and may still make a big deal, but it isn't too uncommon. millions of people deal with it,
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and loses, case her journals, private sometimes tortured thoughts, made it clear that for all her spunky and less for life, she'd been battling deep-seated issues for years. liz opened up to friends about her drug use, both recreational and prescribed. she took prescription medication like adderall, but there were times she over medicated. >> did she talk much about? that >> oh yeah, she would talk pretty freely about it. liz had already been under the care of psychiatry wrists. and she had her stash of medication, that she needed, but that she also liked as well. and she knew how to work the system, to get the medication she wanted. >> so, kind of partially self medicated. >> yeah, exactly. >> which is when people start running into trouble? >> yeah, that's when people start wanting more, or trying
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to skew it, so they get refills early, that kind of thing. taking a little bit more than she should've. now. >> and, when medication wasn't enough, it is sometimes resorted to alternate ways, and finding relief. >> she was a, qatar so is a way for her to kind of release any type of anxiety. >> what kind of cutting every talking about? deep cuts? little scratches? what? >> now, for the most part they're superficial wounds, cause you a little pain, and have you bleed a little bit, nothing which they knew the hospital. >> she knew that she had problems, and she did whatever she could, and she tried so hard to circumvent those issues. >> more hurdles and most people. >> yeah. >> when things were going wrong in her marriage, liz did what she would often do, she wrote about it. as if writing fiction, she showed a ton nathan. >> it had some very real actual
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events in the story. >> the woman analysts a story had been rescued from her alive struggles by a man named brooks, her white night. they moved to california, -- and then things went bad. i'm a failure, a lifetime movie. a lifetime movie that retains such saccharine sweet model unpredictability, that i left. i left brooks. i left my little girl, and walked out of that nightmare. i walked out of my life. >> the parallels to liz's real life, as nathan told detectives, were so obvious. >> what did you think when you read it? >> it made it hard, because it was a story about what we are dealing with. somebody that is missing, and if she acted out that story in realtime, then it would've aligned. >> leaves are kids, runs, and leaves it all behind. >> right. >> maybe, butler's astoria also
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offered a second possibility. >> i am so sick of everyone, but mostly, completely and entirely sick of myself. maybe everyone is better off in my absence. >> did you ever think that suicide was a possibility? >> >> it was something that was unfortunately in the back of my mind. >> and, to those possibilities, and yet another. months before she disappeared, lives created an online dating profile. >> when she got in the app, it wasn't to be taken seriously, at all. >> she told calandrelli all about it. >> it was an escape hatch for just a couple of hours, yeah? >> more of a fantasy thing? >> sure. >> >> i'm in bad spot, i'm wondering what's out there. >> and i believe, when you get in certain situations, that affect yourself esteem, sometimes it's easier to have someone else tell you, you know,
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the things that you need to hear, just for that moment. just for that moment. >> nathan thought it was more serious than that. >> i don't know if i introduced her to this app on the phone or she found it on her own, i can't remember. but one day she had tender. i didn't judge her for it. >> maybe not, but suddenly the investigators were dealing with a big problem. was she seeing someone. had she taken off with him? whoever was? or did some man do something to make liz sullivan disappear. >> coming up, a new man in her life. >> stephen was a boyfriend, he had aspirations and goals, and he was all the things amount wasn't. investigator sought, matt had one thing going for him over stephen. >> a husband was cooperative,
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and the boyfriend was not. >> when dateline continues. continues they have a high-risk factor. such as heart disease, diabetes, being overweight, asthma, or smoking. even if symptoms feel mild, these factors can increase your risk of covid-19 turning severe. so, if you're at high risk and test positive, don't wait. ask your healthcare provider right away if an authorized oral treatment is right for you. elizabeth sullivan had been
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gone about two months, and the missing persons unit asked kim collier and her nurse to get involved, it thing was, detective collier were thomas like cases. and this one? they didn't know exactly what
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it was. >> it really made them worried that this was more than just somebody that had walked away from their life. >> but, then missing persons had done their searches, had taught to them has been matt, who told them about her psychiatric issues, and told them she could be unpredictable, impulsive. and that interview people who reported seeing her, after she went missing, and people who said they were just worried. like, for example, her friend nathan. >> was she ever considered a suspect at all. >> i think the person missing persons unit in the beginning, who might have wanted to bring them in, and talked him a little bit more about what he knew. i never felt that he was suspect, now. >> yeah i had a feeling about, it and insisting? >> i mean yeah, it kind of comes of the job. >> what made you feel that nato is beyond reproach? >> he was the one that reported her. that's the big thing. he ended up contacting the
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police. because he was concerned. and that's a friend. >> in fact, nathan, it turned, out was a kind of encyclopedia, but i came to liz. to him, she had confided just about everything. >> i heard all of her life story, everything, and i think she needed somebody to tell it's, who she was a full-time mom, and so she didn't have anyone to talk to, to let all of this out. >> and over the course of their friendship, nathan became very familiar with the problems plaguing liz's relationship with matt. but it also seem to both make a real effort men their marriage. >> she was raised catholic, i remember one instance, or one period, she decided, you know nathan, i'm really gonna focus on my family, i can make this work, i've been hard on my husband, but he provides for me in a children, and i need to be more appreciative. and respectful of that. and i remember her really putting her all into it.
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>> as about the time that nathan had them over for thanksgiving, the year before, she disappeared. >> how old were they then? >> they're doing great. i had never seen them so, happy and talking in conversing. and it was like, there are real family >> as a night? >> it really was. >> there is no bickering, they complemented each other, there's only time i've really seen them together. i come at christmas, it wasn't the same. she came over to the house for the girls, and you can see the dynamic had changed, already and it didn't take long. >> and by summer, elizabeth spending time with other men she met on tinder, now investigators had to expand their list of potential suspects. >> who is marcus hodges? >> he was one of the individuals that we know, that she had connected with. >> they pulled his record. he had been arrested for
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choking his then wife, during an argument. the charges were later dropped. >> does that factor into your thinking at all? >> it was part of the reason we were more concerned. it played a factor in us, paying a little more attention to him. >> but the markets lose relationship turned out to have been brief and casual. it was a dead end. except, marcus wasn't the only one. there is another man, guy named steven sutton. maybe he was the real deal. >> i think that when she found, steve steve was kind of it for her, and then whatever contact she had made during that time, we are not important to her anymore. >> as liz confided to nathan, -- >> steven, yeah, steve is a boyfriend. >> but as you say about stephen? >> she showed me this picture, is a good-looking guy, he had aspirations and goals, and he wanted to better himself, and he was educated, and they could
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talk, he was all the things that matt wasn't. >> perhaps he was. he was also the last person that liz dated before she disappeared. so naturally, detectives wanted to talk to him. but, they had a problem. steve didn't want to talk to them. >> the husband was cooperative, and the boyfriend was not. >> coming up. >> liz felt bad, she did. >> true confessions. liz is forced to reveal her affair. >> she's about to be caught? >> yeah, so she called me up, and she said what am i gonna do? >> when dateline continues. when dateline continues over 50. it's lying dormant, waiting... and could reactivate. shingles strikes as a painful, blistering rash that can last for weeks. and it could wake at any time.
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she knew this whole situation wasn't right. >> i very much believed, that my friend was in danger. she was not out gallivanting the world, exploring without me, without her, girls without even a phone call. and that was not, elizabeth. that was not her. >> but more than two months after liz disappeared, there is nothing, not a word. >> officially, it was still an missing persons case, but really? it was the homicide unit, detective color in our partners, who wanted to talk to steven sutton, the man was started scene before she disappeared, but steve didn't want to talk to them. >> he ended up getting an attorney, so we are kind of done at that, point being able to talk to him, without more information. >> so they tried to piece together that part of liz's life without his help, and discover that, about a month before liz disappeared, her
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affair with steve imploded, in spectacular fashion. >> i do know, that lives enjoyed been over there with steven's roommate, and they enjoyed having her over. >> girlfriend, however, not some much, she saw child seats in the car, and assumes, incorrectly, that lives had left the kids home alone, and so she called cps. >> i don't it disparaged at young ladies actions, because those actions do save someone's life, it just didn't apply to the situation. >> to light now. >> that's what sparked everything, that phone call to child protection services. >>, yeah that's getting real now. >> yeah. >> cps turned up at liz's house, asked some difficult questions, but found nothing to to indicate she was an unfit mother, except. >> and then cpr said, well, as part of procedure, we have to
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notify that we call this cold together parent. >> she's about to be caught. >> and i worked with her time, so she called me up, and she said this is what happened, you know what i'm gonna do? >> nothing left to do, so nathan. but tell matt the truth. so that night, liz told her husband everything. >> any idea how he reacted in the moment? >> based on his interview, well surprised i don't think he came across is not bothered by it, because they had been living separate lives, in their own home for a couple of years. >> separate lives? matt told the detectives, he and lou slept in separate that in terms. >> so, he was presenting the marriage where, there are both moving, they just happen to live in the same house. that be fair? >> yes. >> it, is on the other hand, was wrecked with guilt, according to matt, who said she qatar self using a piece of
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that broken mirror. that's the one investigator saw when they connected that first search of a's house and garage. is that cutter so before, but nathan was afraid this time might be different. >> it is filled bad. she did. she said is bad with matthew, and she encountered herself, and she thought that she'd gone a little too deep. and when i saw her, i mean she had -- her arm's bandaged. i didn't see the wound, but i was really concerned about it. >> steve's reaction to the whole thing? hard to say, because he wasn't talking. when investigators asked him to take a polygraph, he refused. and not only heightened detectives this suspicion, so they kept digging. >> why did you conduct a search at a lake? >> and there was a search, and that was done by certain rescue,
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and we had them go to a place where we knew was close to his home. >> close to steve's home, and a place they knew he had once taken lives. and team of more than 50 search in and around the area, and they found something. something very interesting. a shallow grave, and in place of a headstone, someone had left a high heeled shoe. it was like something out of a movie, maybe they'd finally found those sullivan who. the investigators brace themselves and dug up the grave. and it was not her. it wasn't even human. >> apparently they had buried an animal and it didn't have a connection to elizabeth. >> it can give some buddy attorney financing like that,
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and not knowing what was inside first. >> yeah, right. >> it was just weird, finding it near steve's home. the uncooperative ex-boyfriend had become a focus of the investigation. if he knew anything about liz's disappearance, he wasn't saying. so liz's father to any parent, desperate to find a daughter would do. >> and stepfather is basically, kind of begging steve, i want to know, is there any signs of life? you know anything about my daughter, kept begging him to provide something. >> and, through his attorneys, he did, sort of. steve said he received an email from lives more than a month after she disappeared that it was from an email account he didn't mechanized, badly drawn girl. >> steve wasn't convinced that whoever he got in this email from was from her. so i'd asked a kind of coated
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questions. >> his question, he said, was what did lose give him for his birthday, and badly drawn girl responded i gonna be key chain the answer was correct. so why is she alive and just hiding somewhere. >> detectives asked you to turn over the email, but he said he couldn't, even if he wanted. to >> what did you do with that email? >> he deleted it. >> a rather odd thing to do a bad break for the investigation because the badly drawn girl email, if it was real, it was just about the only remaining silent lives might still be alive. one by one, the others had fizzled out. people who thought they saw her at the, park it turned out they had their dates mixed up. the money she transferred to her bank account, just sat there on spent. the debit card activity that popped up after she disappeared, detectives found out the actual
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purchases have been made beforehand. >> those things did happen, but they happened before she went missing. so that was a huge disappointment. >> if lives was not alive, detectives had to figure out who was responsible. and by when they cleared, nixon and then that early suspect, marcus hodges. and finally, after months of investigation, stephenson. >> after we executed the search warrants, that steve's, he did not appear to be involved. >> but steve, said the detectives, had managed to drag out the investigation. >> i, mean who's protect himself, but was making it more difficult for himself. -- >> and a deep dive into steve's records, wasn't a total dead end.
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looks like matthew at that point. >> matthew, the husband. the fans in a very interesting, multiple text messages from matt. >> this is where you start noticing, matthew, who is tionesta you didn't care that much. it became clear that he cared more than a lot on. >> coming up, there is an article released by people magazine, where he was so concerned. >> concerned, by calculating. >> i did that same week, he deleted all posts regarding elizabeth from facebook. matt sullivan, under the microscope. >> what are impressions of him? >> he always seemed to have an answer for everything. >> when dateline continues. dateline continues discover caplyta. caplyta is a once-daily pill proven to deliver
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disappearance of liz sullivan, we're combing through her boyfriend steve's phone records. -- and they discovered a release of odd text from her husband matt. >> as will need a place to stay soon. >> i forgot to mention, earlier i work at a hospital, if you need help getting that std cleared up. >> i guess the best way to put it would be, badgering, or poking at steve text messages. >> and matt seem to know whenever stephen lives talked on the phone. >> glad you got to talk to her today. >> and a few days later. >> good chat earlier. >> about a week before eyelids went missing, matt texted steve. sorry to trouble you yet again. but i am going to cut her off financially soon. if you do care, and please take action and supporter. >> i'm much as he tried, after you found out about stephen, it
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just didn't get better. >> so, her life is a mess again. >> yeah, but more so than it had ever been. >> there is no hiding the problems in the marriage anymore, there is no sweeping it under the carpet, she can pretend. >> did you fill it traps? >> oh gosh yes. >> remember the last time she was over nathan's, when the in-laws are, coming and loose seem so desperate? nathan, knew it wasn't just about the in laws. liz had told him that matt was physically abusive, and she wanted to end the marriage. >> she contacted a divorce attorney. told her what the problem was, and this is divorce attorney giver solution to it, it's not a pretty good. -- >> if it's for issues a domestic violence in the past, -- and be super necessary to begin the divorce proceedings. >> so she left your place with a plan. >> do you think this is all
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gonna work out? >> i was proud of her really taking control of her life, and doing something proactive. >> i've spent that following monday planning for a future without matt. she met with a divorce attorney, pay the attorneys fee with her husband's credit card. >> remember that parking receipt detectives found in her car during the search. it was for a lock near the lawyer's office. the date on the receipt was october 13th, 2014. the last day lives was seen alive. >> at, same-day investigators later discovered, husband that made an rather unusual phone call. >> here's matt on the phone with 9-1-1 on. >> i have concerns my wife is
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trying to have me, evicted or arrested from my house, and take my children away from me. >> okay. >> i mean, she took my personal credit card, used it to hire a lawyer against me. >> he said he was worried that liz was gonna report, him for having gone through her emails and journals. >> i haven't been served with any papers, that but i know she's called the department, earlier this morning, and i think that's where she's headed now to try to get me detained. >> about an hour and a half later, matt called police again after she noted he noticed something. >> and she said she took all the money out of your shared bank account. >> i just checked, and it's all gone. >> might be 13 cents left. >> i'm still here as my children, and i don't know. >> that sounded worried.
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>> you can call us back when she is there. >> but matt never called the police again, and liz vanished. and quite, sun collateral noticed on behaviors. >> i called and i asked him, is anything i can, do your wife was missing, you have two small children, this is now an extremely unusual, let's try to make sure that the girls are good. >> he said no, he didn't need anything. >> >> then, there is an article released by people magazine, where he was so concerned. but in that same week, he deleted all posts regarding elizabeth from facebook, he unfounded me and several other of her friends. >> and, then he shut off liz's cell phone. >> i was irritated, because if she was missing, and trying to get back, why would you take
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her service away from her? >> then, less than three months after liz disappeared, another woman moved in with matt. >> he first said, it is just somebody that had come out there was a mutual friend of theirs. and she is simply gonna help wash the kids. >> watch the kids? well. it is a little more than that. a lot more. matt had moved on, really moved on. >> he switched his facebook account game, and he stated he was in a relationship. oh, i'm done for now. i'm boo hoo crying. i'm just sure that this is not right. who is this lady? >> what we are impressions of him. his approach, his demeanor. >> he always seemed to have an answer for everything. he is a very difficult person to interview, because he was very slow in his delivery. >> but, they gradually pull details out of slow talking matt. like, for example, to specific
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credit card charges. one of, them the nathan reported he was missing. >> we noticed he'd gone to her ace hardware, and he got carpet cleaner. >> what was his answer for? it >> answer was, that his mother was coming into town, and he wanted to get that cleaned up before she got there, because it looks dirty. >> perfectly reasonable. >> reasonable, but suspicious. >> the second charge? a month later. more carpet cleaner. and the role of plastic wrap. >> i don't mean the kind of use for kitchen, the big industrial stuff. >> they have an explanation for? that >> he said when his mom was coming out, he needs to wrap up some of the things that, she had brought and put them in storage. >> another perfectly reasonable answer. so, for all their suspicion, they can prove math did anything. well, liz didn't run off on our
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own. so, went until detective collier and her team had exhausted all of their leads. and soon. >> elizabeth sullivan, claudia says leslie wells helene turner and jermaine quay. >> she was another in a long list of people profiled and nbc investigates. >> just names to us to family members and friends their mother's father's friends son's daughters. >> two years went by, as family moved out, when his new girlfriend moved in, and about a year later, the couple welcome to baby of their own. and time moved on. as if to swallow the public's memory of liz sullivan. and then one day, detective collier was on vacation. cell phone rang. office calling. >> you'll never believe this, but there's a body that's shown up, over at liberty station. over at liberty station.
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big mystery tonight in the waters of san diego bay. >> police found a woman's body on the shore of the liberty station channel. >> a body in the water, and fear among friends. >> i had to call me and say, hey do you think it could be lives. >> i said well, no. >> i screamed, i cried. for days. why didn't anybody listen to me? >> when dateline continues. when dateline continues to get results? i power up my skin with olay. it works. guaranteed. try niacinamide for strength, retinol 24 for smoothness and vitamin c for brightness. i like to use them all! olay. face anything. my asthma felt anything but normal. a blood test helped show my asthma is driven by eosinophils, which nucala helps reduce. nucala is a once-monthly add-on injection for severe eosinophilic asthma. nucala is not for sudden breathing problems.
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get your free offer at opendoor.com about a week shy of the two year anniversary of matt sullivan's disappearance. an off-duty u.s. marshall, when for his usual late afternoon stroll on a walking path. come to the san diego bay. >> and it has rocks the kind of
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cascade down the edges, and a, dog of course, he walked over in that direction, i was curious about something. >> as his dog pulled him towards the bank, marshall saw what looks like some nasty halloween prank, something stuck among the shoreline rocks. >> he realized there is a body. there >> the body was wearing jeans, and it's sweater, and a single brown boot. >> a big mystery tonight in the waters of san diego bay. >> police found a woman's body the shore of the san diego channel. >> my friend called me, and said hey, they found a body a liberty station. they haven't identified, it do you think it could be lives? i was like why. no. >> and went online, i checked where it was, i was like wow, it's really close to liz's place. >> less than half a mile, in fact.
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they had to use dental records to get a proper i.d.. and then the search was over. it was elisabeth sullivan. >> i'm broken. a screams. i cried. for days. i had a i told you so moment, i know the whole time moment. why didn't anybody listen to me. why didn't anybody know her, and know that this wasn't normal? >> obviously, there's that kind
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of numbness, that shock, gosh over told me, it's like well easier some closure. i was like yeah, but, with close enclosure you lost hope. i think i'd rather have the hope that the closure. >> the autopsy show the list tested positive for her prescribed amphetamines, also for fentanyl and cam cannabinoids, but that's not what killed her. the medical examiner noted, a number of elliptical shaped cuts, that seemed to in your clothes or skin, and her ribs. because of death homicide, sharp force trauma. >> essentially, she had been
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stabbed with a sharp object, enough to cause damage to some of her bones. >> somebody stabbed her, again and again and again? >> yes. >> she also had a fractured jaw, so stabbed and beaten. >> investigators had long believed, liz did not run off on our own, that she was murdered, the very october night she disappeared. but when her body was found, collier knew immediately, that something didn't add up. >> and like there's no, way should be in the water for two, years and be in one piece. major, wonder why, there why now, what happened? >> it's a really her? >> it was a really? her yeah, all kinds of things go through your head. for whatever reason, they felt fairly confident about it, i was intrigued. >> sure enough, the pathologist who conducted the autopsy estimated that lives was killed only one month, two at the most, before the water washed up at low tide.
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>> surprise? would be an understatement. she'd been missing almost two years. a whole new puzzle now. which, just like that, jolt the case back to life. case back to life. so, what happened to the investigation, and the discover the body. >> we ran full steam ahead at that point, because now we had a murder. >> so you want to talk to who right away? >> matthew. >> but? >> he had moved. >> three days after liz's body was found, without a word to detectives, matt slipped away to join his girlfriend in maryland. >> and detective collier learned that october 4th, the very morning liz's body was discovered, movers arrived at matt's house. >> to pack up his whole house, essentially, and put it in a container, so they could ship it back east. >> matt sent his girlfriend's
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photo, with a message, movers are working. >> what's fascinating timing? >> yes. >> couldn't quite say it would prove anything, but it certainly was suggestive. >> it's very suggestive, in my opinion. >> over the, years detective collier had been keeping an eye on matt's facebook page. and when she saw matt and his girlfriend are expecting a baby, she figured they might need a bigger place. >> it was always in the back of my, mind that if they did move, out they want to go in and do a complete forensic examination of their place, before it was rented to somebody else. was that something that could not have been done while he was living in the house. >> well based on the fact that he had allowed us so many consent searches, and we didn't have more to go on, it would've been gone hard to be that intrusive, without more probable cause. >> sure. because friends or sneeze everybody to the house, and looking at everything. >> yeah, it's a chemical, so
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it's something that is definitely intrusive. >> now it seemed mad had left the door wide open. so, a few days later, siena team investigators set out douche search matt and loses home from top to bottom, really tear the place apart this time. and what they found, well we'll. coming up. >> she called me. and she sounded frantic. she said, talking about he's gonna kill me. >> a phone call from liz becomes a crucial new clue. >> i told her, lock yourself in your room, we just have to get the morning. >> and hidden in the attic, another. >> we're on the case that long and you're like, this is it. so it was a very good moment for me. >> when dateline continues. downy in-wash scent boosters
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carolina -- damaged by gunfire, sunday. tens of thousands are currently without power, and the curfew is in effect. in waukesha wisconsin, it's a heavy as they held their annual christmas, great one year after a man thrown suv through the, town killing six, and darrell brooks was convicted of murder and sentenced sentenced to life in prison. now, back to dateline. >> they got in about a week after liz's body turned up in this shallow water of liberty station. got into the sullivan is now vacant home, that is. >> a proper search this time, and right away, they couldn't help but notice. >> there was an odor in the garage, in our opinions, an odor that should be followed up on. >> like the odor of death?
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>> right. >> i look around did not reveal what caused it. but that could wait. first, detectives wanted to follow at lead they'd, found buried deep in the case file. >> the missing persons unit found out about it pretty soon, i to say in the first month of the investigation. >> the story was. this at the very beginning investigation, his friend told them about an alarming phone call from liz. >> she called me, and she sounded frantic. they were arguing and she said, she said this expletive, is talking about he was gonna kill me. i was half asleep, but i know that i told her lock yourself in a room we just have to get to morning.
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who well in the next day. >> i didn't know where he was. if they were arguing, and i'm calling her, even if she chose not to answer the phone ringing, it could become an aggregate to the situation. >> i did not want to make things any worse. >> she never heard from liz again. the call sounded, ominous, that's for sure. >> the problem, was the lantern couldn't remember what night was, and went detectives got loses phone, records there is no backup that it even happen. >> there was some confusion for a period of time, until later down the road, we discovered she had most likely called calendar on whatsapp. >> so, much later, collier circle, back master for her phone records, and bingo.
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they've revealed that she not only called, calandrelli called it the night of october 13th, very same night she went missing. which made one detail climbs remembered, potentially very important. >> i just told, or you know, like yourself in your room. >> and that very thing, the cry for help, they advice from calandrelli, now became a kind of map for the search of matt's house, which led them straight upstairs to liz's room, they solved her bathroom door with luminol. it lit up, and then they cut out a section of rug outside the bathroom, pulled it back, and found a large stain. >> we ended up friends ugly examining it with luminol. >> it lit up to, meaning blood, lots of it. >> the bloodstain from that had to leak into the padding. and then be able to go through the padding on to the sub floor,
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and the sub floor stain itself was at least a foot. and saturated. >> is, though not on the surface of the carpet. it must have been clean with that carpet cleaner matt bought, maybe? the dna, no surprise, matched lives. >> what did you think when you got those results? >> i thought, here we go, you know? >> that's a big moment. was not the case, as far as you could tell. it's, not okay could persuade the da, based on this? >> we hoped. >> we don't get to make all those decisions by ourself. >> and detectives presented their case to the da, the retooled they just didn't have enough. so, detective collier got on a plane, flew to maryland, and knocked on matt's door. >> tell me about that. >> again, a very long painful interview, at that point, i definitely knew we had the right person. there wasn't any doubt in my mind. but, he didn't confess.
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>> once again. the case had hit a wall. and yet another year went by, not a single lead. but they couldn't just give up. >> we all sat down and just collectively decided that we wanted to go back in the house, because there are some things that we needed more of. >> during the previous, search they had noticed someone insights in the attic, broken as if someone had been climbing around up there. so when they returned in october 2016, that's where they went looking. >> i started just pulling up all the isolation, and the whole attic, and making sure that everything was looked under, and through. >> and up in the attic, under the insulation, she found it. a military style folding knife. >> but is that moment like. >> for me? kind of thrilling. because i felt like it
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definitely meant something. it was hidden in a fashion that was not like it fell out of your pocket, or something. >> could it be that this was the murder weapon. well, lab russell's were conclusive, liz's blood, on the inner workings of the knife, and on the handle. a mix of dna from both liz and matt. detective collier worked three long years for this. >> what did you do? first, after that. >> well, actually cried. you know, you are case along, and you're like, this is it. so, it was a very good moment for me. >> yeah. >> sorry. >> it matters. you've become that young woman's, representative on this earth, and here is the thing you really need to defend, or supporter, do something. >> right. >> what did the da have to say
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about that? >> go get him. >> so, she did. but, like everything else in this case, it wasn't quite as simple as she'd hoped. >> coming up. >> separate bedrooms. domestic violence. infidelity. financial issues. these are the hallmarks of a marriage in crisis. >> matt sullivan, on trial, and the key for the defense? his wife's time of death. >> almost two full years after she goes missing. all i have is an allegation that he did something on october 2014, and it's forensic science saying she died in 2016. >> when dateline continues. continues by asking your healthcare provider if an oral treatment is right for you. oral treatments can be taken at home and must be taken within 5 days from when symptoms first appear. if you have symptoms of covid-19, even if they're mild,
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sullivan's defense attorney. >> he was born and raised in suburban minneapolis, you know, played soccer, did boy scouts, went fishing. no one is for the law, or angry girlfriends, nothing. 9/11 happens, and it kind of has that thought a lot of people did, hey, i'm gonna serve. and he listed the navy, as you thought was his patriotic duty. >> i, yes the situation. five years after elizabeth sullivan disappeared, her husband matt went on trial for murder. >> detective color had retired by then, and she wasn't about to sit this one out. >> i was there every, day because i wanted to participate, because meant a lot to me. >> separate bedrooms, domestic violence, infidelity. financial issues, these are the hallmarks of a marriage in crisis. >> deputy da joel lambert, told the jury the mets marriage,
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wasn't minnesota nice at all, that math was a violent man. >> the key testimony came from liz's best friends. >> part of elizabeth this general turn a voice would've been in the timeframe we talked about. >> increasingly submissive. she became very quiet, whispered a lot. >> there are a couple of instances, where she told me that matthew had become physical with her. >> liz called me, and she informed me that, matt had grabbed her by the shoulders, and shoved her -- so he started swinging at or. and it scared her. >> and when louise made plans to leave it, so the prosecutor, matt killed her, and left behind evidence. >> a large bloodstain on the carpet. the carpet cleaner, plastic wrap, the knife hidden in the attic. and on the night she disappeared, loses desperate
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phone call to cassandra. >> she said he she and matt had some kind of disagreement. it was really serious, and that she is afraid. >> she said hold on a sec, and then she said got a, go quietly. i don't hear from her anymore. >> is that your last conversation with elizabeth? >> yes. >> there was more evidence, in the form of matt's own words. >> sending a police, this is. melanie >> detective color in the prosecutors, had gone back and let's listen to the comments made to police, one of his disappeared. and i noticed something. >> so, in the call, the dispatcher asked what elizabeth was wearing. >> do you know what she was wearing today? >> she got over there in in a
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hurry, she is wearing way genes, some brown boots. >> and when elizabeth's body was found, almost two years later, she was wearing jeans and a brown boots, which tied it exactly with how they describe through the day she murdered her. >> my guess is that he got in the bedroom, and stabbed her, and then cleaned up that bedroom, and then dumped her. when he had to, because he was moving, so river he had her can leave her there, because she'd be discovered -- hope how things should watch out to sea. >> i've circumstantial case, yes, but a strong one. and then matt's lawyer, marcus depose went to work, and reasonable doubt. >> you're not gonna see one piece of evidence in this case,
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ladies and gentlemen, which is inconsistent with the idea of -- who had a secret life, and who made erratic decisions. >> prosecutions evidence? the right at other are quite reasonable explanations, said the defense. like the bloodstain on the underside of the carpet, that could've happened when liz qatar, self and then tried to clean it up. >> when you pour liquid on a stain, the experience tells you what happens, the stain spreads. so to say, that one way to get a double watermelon sized bloodstain, is to bleed a lot. another way, is to take a smaller stain, and overtime wipe it larger and larger. and because the science cannot tell us what order those things happen, reasonable doubt requires that we say that it was something that was not connected with her disappearance. >> as for the knife in the attic? it was standard navy issue.
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nothing suspicious about it. the blood and new dna evidence on the night? that was simple. >> he goes, out he goes overseas. gets his sweat, dna, all over the handle of that knife. he then comes home, and that becomes a cutting tool. >> mansour tierney asked, if matt had used a knife to kill his wife, why wouldn't he have thrown it in the ocean? >> he's either a mastermind, for he is a fool, he cannot simultaneously be both things. and to say that he can go through all that, and leaves a knife, when he spends a month moving out. i've never killed anybody, i imagine if i did, it would weigh on me. and that try not to get caught, woodway on me. and one of the things that i might think to myself, as, maybe i should get rid of the murder weapon. >> if he got his friend nathan to admit she thought about running away.
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>> did elizabeth ever express to you, her desire to leave the family? >> yes. >> and what did she tell you about her mindset, why she should leave the family for kids. >> she had expressed the fact that she was unhappy in our current life. >> i believe she just regretted not been able to live her life to the fullest. >> the defense seized on that email, stephenson received about a month after liz disappeared, the one from badly drawn girl. as proof that lives was alive then. and, no surprise, the defense brought up this's mental state, her apparent drug use. her affairs. and said it all led to one conclusion. >> what, she just walked out of the, house according to him? >> as she had several nights in a row, for the past six months to a year. >> that was the part that is just so hard for people to grasp, we might just, leaves a
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don't know where she sat? >> well, that's how she had the affairs. >> but really, said the defense, liz walked out through the last, time that night in october, 2014. >> how did she managed to live without being discoverable by anybody. through either cell phone, or a bank account, or anything. and why she didn't contact her children. there must be some explanation for that period of time, is what i'm saying. what could possibly be? >> another loving, another life that she's building? >> a life that must have gone on somewhere, for almost two years after lives left to match. remember, said attorney debose. when liz's body was found, the medical examiner said it appeared she'd only been dead a month or two. >> putting the time of death, sometime in or about august september of 2016. almost two full years after she
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goes missing. i'm a defense lawyer, i have no burden of proof. all i have is an allegation, that he did something on in october 2014, and it's forensic science saying that she died in 2016. >> the explanation was simple, he said, the prosecution was wrong. matt did not kill liz. instead, she ran away. an unstable woman fleeing her marriage, who lived on for two more years, until she met a violent and, at the hands of someone other than her husband. >> you think you made a good case? they had a pretty good chance, or what? >> yes. i thought our case was well presented. i thought that the reasonable doubt existed. i basically every turn. >> except maybe, for one thing. a rather big one. the detectives found in matt
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sullivan's garage. >> coming up. >> do you think somebody was trying to frame? >> maybe. i don't know. >> matt sullivan speaks, at last. >> so, how do you explain her body washing up right where you live? >> i can't explain, it i really don't know what happened. >> and, the verdict. >> i don't know how to describe it. i was actually kind of shaking in the courtroom, like please, please. >> what would the jury decide? >> we the jury in above entitle -- find a defendant. >> when dateline continues. hen dateline continues ♪breeze driftin' on by...♪ ♪...you know how i feel.♪ you don't have to take... [coughing] ...copd sitting down. ♪it's a new dawn,...♪ ♪...it's a new day,♪ it's time to make a stand. ♪and i'm feelin' good.♪ start a new day with trelegy. no once-daily copd... ...medicine has the power to treat copd...
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labeled with a grim, clinical term, the postmortem interval. >> there were two separate medical examiners who examined the body. they both found and then testified, to the fact that the postmortem interval, which is a period of time between the autopsy, and what science determines to be the time of death. they both found, that that was a 30 to 60-day window. >> meaning, according to the condition of the body, liz was murdered no earlier than the summer of 2016. but, the prosecution's whole case, was based on the idea that matt killed her in october of 2014. nearly two years earlier. a big problem, said the defense, and it created a whole big lump of reasonable doubt. to which the prosecutor said. >> that did not take into account the possibility that something could have interrupted, or delayed the
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decomposition process. and, both a forensic anthropologist, and the medical examiner, testified that yes, freezing is something that could delay it. >> freezing. you may remember, the very first time police searched the sullivan's home, they found a large freezer in the garage, the freezer was empty. >> so, what's the explanation? if she's already did what would she be? >> i don't know if you'll ever know for sure based on the evidence we have. my personal belief is that she was hidden somewhere else on the property and attic is a likely spot. but it was later moved to the freezer. >> prosecutor joe lindberg believe that after matt stabbed illicit death and clean the climate crime scene, he could've wrapped her body in the industrial plastic evolve, and hit it somewhere for a few days, and then stashed it in that freezer, for the better part of two years. >> to maintain the illusion that liz was alive, detective
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color, thought matt pretended to be her, with an email account, badly john girl, and emailed her boyfriend. and he might have gotten away with, it said the prosecutor, if he hadn't decided to move out of state, which forced him to finally take liz's body out of that freezer in a carriage, and dumper in the bay. leaving behind, the stench of death. detectives could not help but notice it. quite a story. who would the jury believe? defense? >> ask yourself, in your mind, what piece of evidence points to the fact that it was frozen in the freezer in the cellar at lagrange. >> or prosecutor. >> you know from the, evidence that the defendant murdered's wife in their home with that knife. >> so, did he, or didn't? >> i've been questioned by the police department numerous times, i answers and never
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changed throughout the years. >> when we spoke with matt, he is in the san diego county jail, awaiting legal decisions. he insisted he was an innocent man, the police had it all wrong. >> i've been totally open with them, i passed a polygraph exam, i've done literally everything i can think of to cooperate with them. i don't know what else i can do. >> so, why would they think you did it, if you are so cooperative? >> just because the evidence, they ran out of leads. >> the prosecutions freezer theory? absurd, said matt. >> i don't see how i possibly could've stored a body, in a house, for that many years, three children living, they're five adults living there. multiple workman coming through, dozens of friends and family members coming through. the police search in the place, multiple times. without her been found. >> so how do you explain her
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body, washing up on the bay, around where you lived on the same day as the movies came to your, house just days before he moved out of the house. >> it wasn't the same day. around the same day, i'll give you that. well, i can't explain, it i really don't know what happened. >> do you think somebody was trying to frame you? >> maybe. i don't know. >> he brought up loses cutting the night of the cps incident, as a way to explain that stain on the carpet. >> i had to bandage her arm up, and it's pretty brutal. >> or, you stabbed her -- there's nobody to say which version is true, except your story. >> i don't know why i would've done that, that doesn't make sense to me. >> i think that the allegation was that you did that because you are finally fed up, with somebody who had been cheating on you, who you had come to hate, and you had constant
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fights, and finally you just lost it, killed with a knife. >> now, as we were saying, keith, and hussein i was trying to do the right thing, i was trying to find my family to take early, kids and when we got everything squared, away i don't know why i would've done, that it doesn't make any sense. >> he simply didn't do it, he said. >> no, absolutely not, that's crazy. i've never laid a finger on her, i've never hit her. nothing like that. >> you never hit her? never, once? >> no, no, no, no. i don't do that. i was definitely raised better than that. >> well, perhaps he was. anyway, not ours to judge. mans honesty, that was the juries job. it reached its verdict after a little more than a day. >> we the jury in the above untitled cause, find at sullivan not guilty of the
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crime i agree murder. >> and she read not guilty. i was holding my clients plant, i was holding my colleagues hand, and there's that moment for, when she reads it where, did i miss the guilt? okay, all right. you could feel it in both the hands, but there is hope, and of his life, and there's happiness. >> not guilty of first degree murder. but the jury wasn't done. >> i don't know how to describe. i was actually kind of shaking in the courtroom, and please, please. >> we the jury in the above entitled cause, find a defendant, matthew scott sullivan, guilty of the crime of second degree murder. >> guilty of second degree murder. matt was sentenced to 16 years to life. >> and i was so happy. elizabeth got justice. and her husband didn't get away with it. >> it had been a way to carry around, said detective collier.
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in a case that wouldn't let her go. >> what memories do you carry around? of elizabeth sullivan, and the story. >> i bought a necklace, for jill and for myself, and for tammy, who is one of the dna lab analysts. and it's what we all carry around with us, periodically. >> describe to me, if you don't mind? >> it is a little leaf, and it says, badly drawn girl but you never gave up. >> no, that young woman had the force of life in her, said her friends. the kind of person you couldn't possibly forget. >> she loved to smile, and laugh, more than anybody else i knew. >> people have infectious lefts, she has an infectious smile. >> when you're in a graces, you
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felt like you are on part of the highest rated tv show ever. the evidence the audience was watching you, everybody was, laughing and everybody wanted to be in company with her. >> i miss her terribly. every time something did happen to, me and i want to call her. the last thing that i want, at the end of the day, is for lives to come across dry and troubled, when there was so many facets to her. she's fargo like a princess cut diamond. you could not take the shine out of her, you decide to know which pass it you are supposed to beyond to be seen shine, that's all.
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