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embracing white supremacists and anti-semites. >> there is no room in the republican party for anti-semitism or white supremacy. but as trump fueling riffs in anti -- semitism, refusing to speak out. benjamin netanyahu, a fierce defender of trump during his presidency, is here with his reaction. plus, the next generation. >> house democrats are passing the torch. >> for the first time in nearly 20 years, how democrats have a new set of leaders. >> american people want solutions. >> i'll speak with congress democrat woman catherine clark of massachusetts. and one more time -- >> this is the fifth time my flame has been on the ballot in less than two years for the same doggone job. >> georgia voters go to the polls once again to decide who will win the last seat in the

u.s. senate join us me for inside, is yamiche alcindor. >> jen psaki, and ashley parker, marc short, former chief of staff to vice president mike pence. welcome to sunday, it's "meet the press." >> announcer: from nbc news in washington, the longest-running scholls in television history, this is "meet the press" with chuck todd. good sunday morning. donald trump launched his third bid for the white house just 19 days ago, believe it or not. already his campaign and the republican party are being tested, as he refuses to disavow the anti-semitic and racist part of the party that he's aligned himself with for years now. he's been endorsed by just a single senator, tommie tuberville.

on the house gates, meat gates, marjorie taylor greene and gosar. not only are mike pence, mike pompeo, and nikki haley not supporting touch, but, but as this week a federal appeals court fast-tracked the mar-a-lago investigation, ending a special master review and freeing the justice department and special counsel to use them in their federal investigation. now trump is testing the limits of his ability to be a relevant figure. after the rapper ye, formerly known as kanye west, lost luke regard tiff partnerships because of an anti-semitic tirade, donald trump still welcomed him to mar-a-lago for a pre-thanksgiving dinner, and kanye jest bronc look nick fuentes. donald trump claims to not know

fuentes, but has yet to disavow. on saturday, seemingly out of nowhere, called for the suspension of the constitution as yet another attempt to overturn the 2020 election. trump has been political underestimated before with these antics. in the end, the party has stood by him when he's been their nominee. the backlash this time is

growing. >> anyone meeting about people advocating that point of view, in my judgment, are highly unlikely to ever be elected president of the united states. >> it's been clear there's no bottom to the degree to which president trump will degrade himself and the nation. >> i don't think anybody should be associated or be a part of nick fuentes. >> president trump was wrong to give a white nationalist, and anti-semite and holocaust knee dyer at the table. i think he should apologize for it. >> this comes at a time of rising anti-semitism. according to the antidefamation league, incidents have hit an all-time high in 2021, more than

2700 incidents of assault, harassment and vandalism reported. around the world, according to a report from the researchers at tel aviv university, anti-semitic incidents have increased by 29% in germany, 34% in britain, 54% in canada, and whopping 74% in france. joining me is the incoming and longest-serving prime minister of israel. he's returning to the post for the third time. he's the author of the new book "bibi" my story. it's not a small read, very much a long read, but one worth reading. mr. netanyahu, welcome back to "meet the press." >> thank you. good to be with you, chuck. >> i wanted to start off, to make sure you knew we were but to talk about your book, and we do want to talk about it, but i want to start with

anti-semitism. it's rising around the globe and here in the united states. what do you attribute it to? >> it's the oldest disease as a systemic ideology. it's accompanied our history with horrific results over these centuries. it's not going to go away. what has been changed is the birth of israel that allows the jewish people as a collective body, to defend itself against the periodic flash points of violent anti-semitism. i think free societies have to take a consistent position to condemn anti-semitism, to stand up against it and to do consistently. this jew hatred is somewhat a kin to saying like some, dislike others, but say the jewish people shouldn't be around. i like some blacks, i dislike other, but black people shouldn't be around, our chinese

people. it's not just morally unacceptable, but dangerous to categorically deny the rights and existence of an entire human group much that's a danger for not only jews, but all free societies. i think it should be a consistent and unabashed condemnation to it. >> you have a unique relationship with former president trump. he has consistently flirted with some really fringe characters that spout this anti-semitic behavior, that preach white cement sit, white nationalism, things like that, and doesn't denounce it. he has yet to denounce kanye west at all, has yet to denounce being with the white supremacist days ago. why do you think he halls this difficulty, do you think? >> i don't know. first, president trump does great things for jerusalem. he moved the american embassy there, recognized our sovereignty in the golan heights. he got out of the disastrous

iran's deal, which would have paved iran's path with gold. so he's done they great things. i remain appreciative. on this matter of kanye west and the other unacceptable guest, i think it's just wrong. i hope he sees his way to staying out of it and cone condemning it. >> you want to praise him for what he did for you, it's an ends justifies the means argument. at what point does this impact -- if his behavior is creating death threats to jews, inspiring people like what happened at the trail of life synagogue in pittsburgh, to shoot and kill jews, doesn't that wipe away anything good he good for israel? >> it's if systemic and continues, and i doubt it will because i think he probably understand it cross as line, but if you ask me what is driving

anti-semitism in fran or britain or elsewhere, i would say probably what is driving it is the -- one of the unfortunate effects of the internet age. there are many, many blessings of the enter net age, but it comes also with a curse, the curse is polarization, in the case of anti-semitism, it's the melding, the fusion of the anti-semitism from the extreme razz cal left with the extreme radical right. it fuses into jew hatred. the capitalists blame the jews for being communists, if you have a problem, blame the jews. it's one of the oldest hate treads of humanity. it was wrong then, it is wrong now, but it's gotten extra life, probably in the united states and overt countries by the age of the internet.

i think that's the biggest phenomenon. >> are you at all concerned that if your government gets what you want, you overlook whether it's vladimir putin, who is also an anti-semite, or a donald trump? what is the line for you? >> i don't overlook anti-semitism. i have a clear position, which i voice and expect others to voice as well, as i have just said. if you're asking a deeper problem, which i deal with in my book, plug it relent leslie during this program, if you know, but i mean it, because it's real. the issue of balances interests with values, that's really what you're asking, where do you draw the line?

you make -- in real life, in real political life, in real political leadership, leaders of democratic countries constantly make that balance. the president of the united states, an old friend of mine, joe biden, for 40 years, he meets sometimes with leaders of democracies, many obvious with leaders of dictatorships, that he finds unsavory, because he's balancing america's interests. everything does that. for me, the division line is clear, when it comes to safeguarding our existence, existence comes first. i don't maintain that that's the case here, but you can draw the line morally without go ahead into that bind. chump hill, who i admired greatly, make a pact with

stalin. he said, well, to deal with the larger danger of hitler-ism, he made a pact with stalin. that's where i would draw the line. i hope we never get to that. >> it sounds like you're explaining a question i had. you've been more critical of some congressional democrats who are critical of the israelis government than you are of a donald trump who's been elevating people who praise hitler. does that go to this transactional nature, if it's, you know, that they're helping israel. if they're helping israel, that's what's got to come first? >> sorry, chuck, i just nullified that argument on this very program and on previous programs, when i came out very strongly against that meeting with that -- those anti-semitic

rantings, which, in the case of at least one of the participants, seems to be something that, how shall i say this -- related to personalities more than probably -- probably more than views, but they're bad enough either way. whoever says it for whatever reason is wrong. you don't praise hitler. how can you praise hitler? he was the greatest mass killer of all time. anybody who praises him is wrong. anybody who gives him legitimacy is wrong. >> would you like to see donald trump as president again? >> oh, god, i've had enough i my politics. i just went through four of my elections. do you want me to good through your politics? keep me out of it. >> would you like to see him as president? is that good for israel? >> i will deal with anyone who is elected president, knows that i work with them in the past and anyone who comes in, because of the bond between israel and american. this is not a -- not just a saying.

it really is a bond of people also, and is civilizational bond and it's strong. i'll deal with anyone. i certain will not step on that land mine that you just put before me, chuck. keep trying. >> fair enough. i appreciate you asking me to keep trying. you write about your relationship with vladimir putin in your book -- from the first moment, putin was mark, shrewd and totally committed to restoring russia as a great power, yet you write that i decided to be straightforward with him. on the issue of ukraine, how do you get vladimir putin to withdraw his forces from ukraine and end it peacefully. you know this manner better than most. >> it's a tough one. first of all, on the question of ukraine itself -- not the first thing, but one of the first things i intend to do, god willing in a few days i assume the post of prime minister

again, to have a detailed discussion with our experts and be updated. ukraine is a tragedy of monumental proportions, but it could actually be worse. if you asked me a year ago when this war began what are the chances that it will degrade to tactical newspapers, which is a longer way of saying entering nuclear weapons, i would have said the odds are low, but not -- in three quarters of a century, we have not crossed that threshold, we must not cross that threshold. to the extend that there's anything i can personally do to help prevent that, or for that matter, to help end this horror, then i will do so. i'm not sure that i'm in a

position to do it. i can tell you i was approached about a year ago to enter this. i said, no, there's one prime minister at the time, like the american presidency. there's one president at the time. our prime minister tried his hand at it, and unsuccessfully. i didn't want to step on anyone's toes or hands, but i will certainly look into it. if anyone in the world can help end this, for the sake of humanity, but also for the sake of world peace and security, they should do so. i don't know if i'll be in a position to do it. statistic safe to say that israel will continue to remain neutral in the war? >> first of all, we've been helping ukraine by taking in an

inordinate amount of citizens, jewish and non-jewish. we are a tiny country, yet have taken in a great many. you asked about military assistance, that's one issues i'm going to take up. i'm not frivolous -- fast and furious, as you like to say, on this. i think it requires careful deliberation. one of the reasons why it requires careful deliberation, i put it my life mission to prevent placing an arm of iranian generals, on the op sid side of the syrian border. we have bombed them consistently under my guidance. we're flying in syria, in spitting distance to russian fighters, for, russian aircraft. i have avoided that war, the russia/israeli war, and that remains -- it's a complicated issue, i don't hide it, but

again, if there's anything i did do to help end this conflict, i assure you, i will do it. >> i want to ask a few questions about your formation of your government. two people in particular have gotten people upset. ben givir, once on a terrorist list, on a security ministry, and avi manos, on an education ministry. there's concerns about them for different reasons, but both because they're very far right and seem to be small-democratic leans in their nature. how much weight will they get versus what you would like to see done? >> well, i'm not sure i would characterize them the way you do, but i will say this, on the supreme court looked into the matter of ben's eligibility.

they decided categorically that he could. remember, we just had a government where the party that's beholding to the muslim brotherhood, who don't believe in any democrat tick values, lgbt rights, women's rights, they were part of the outgoing government. i didn't hear a word from the chorus of critics that have come out, because most of it was led by the outgoing government that can't accept its defeat. secondly on the lgbt questions, i just won't accept any of that. i have a report, and i have a report in general of having two hands on the wheel, and i ultimately decide policy. in the first instance and in the last instance, and i've these doomsayers saying the end of

democracy. for 30 years they characterized me as a warmonger, and there will never be peace. number one they were fewer wars, fewer casualties, safest, because i'm a bereaved brother. i lost my brother, and human life is important for me. the life of our soldiers, and by the way, everybody in israel agrees with that, probably with why i was reelected. i don't go into unnecessary military ventures. i'm going to safeguard democracy, i'm going to bring peace. categorically i think i can get another breakthrough for peace and i'm going to stop iran. that's what i'm coming back for and committed to. benjamin netanyahu, the book is "bibi" good luck with your next term. >> thank you, chuck. i appreciate that.

donald trump is calling for the overturns of the constitution, as a campaign becomes even more desperate. our panel is next. our panel is next.

we can back to the panelists here yamiche alcindor, ashley clark, marc short, former chief of staff to mike pence, and former white house press secretary jen psaki. marc, there's no active campaign for mike pence, right? >> that's right. >> but you are advising him and could be involved down the line? >> there's no way i know where that's going to go, chuck, but yes, i would be an honor to serve the vice president. donald trump, what he's done with kanye west, nick fuentes, what he's done with the constitution, is this time different? >> i don't think it's a good platform for a president to say we should set the constitution aside. i feel like we have seen this aggress continue ever since january 6th.

candidly, i think that's what he asked the vice president to do two years ago when rioters were attacking the capitol, and he asked the vice president to overturn the election results. unfortunately, i think this has been a consistent trend. i do think there's many convention from many conservatives about what happened with the twitter revelation, believing the media has had a double standard. when mike pence was vice president, his son was getting a paycheck who serve the marine corps. when joe biden was vice president, hunter biden was gets tens of million. but the president's remarks, the company he's keeping is way beyond the fold. >> the terms we just had wasn't

just a democrats won so affirmative, as with the dja, and where they're the power energy, even some of that said, look, i benefited from a pretty mediocre maga opponent. they voted for sanity, and a former president meeting with a white nationalist and anti-semite is not a particularly sane stance. >> yamiche, is this time different? >> the fact we have to ask the question shows a grip that the former president still has. these extreme maga people that are still supporting him. that's something to the fact he can still win the nomination. we've been here before. this feels familiar to me. we were here with the "access hollywood" tape, when people thought they didn't want donald trump to be the nominee. after january 6th, we saw people leaving the white house in droves, and at least the senators that had the power to say we're going to convict you, they all decided, actually, this

is the line we're not going to cross. so i think, yes, does it feel different? yes. i still think it's too early to say whether or not he's completely out of the ability to win this nomination. >> i think democrats and sane republicans underestimate trump at their open peril. in order for him not to win the nomination, there has been to say a better alternative. ron desantis, this man -- he's either the savior or currently at his peak. mike pence, with all due respect, didn't exactly light the world on fire politically before he was selected as donald trump's running mate. who is the alternative? trump has evil charisma to help win the nomination. the nomination process is long, and my view is people should not underestimate him. >> and he plays a weak hand

well. that is the thing that's allowed him to continue. >> recently there's been a certain irony that former president trump is actually underestimating his supporters. he seems to think the only way to have the support of his base is if he embraces white nationalism, anti-semitism. in fact i think a that's the fringe, that's not what's so appealing. >> i think she's right. people -- the record tax forms, the record of national security, appreciated what we did with judges. so afternoon he doesn't focus on what me accomplished. >> it's funny. in fact, do you find that there are people that like the president, but say i don't like hi behavior. that was a constant theme.

>> sure. absolutely. it's a matter of what are your choices? in many cases we don't like the behavior, but we like the record. we've reached a point ever since january 6th, that was a dividing line for a lot of people. >> i think the dividing line was not january 6th, but november election, that reps said it wasn't advantageous to run as election deniers. there wasn't a loud republican opposition to january 6th. its now not a good thing to run on. that may be the change. newt gingrich earlier wrote -- we dislike biden so much, we focus on his difficulties and other personal flaws. our averse to him and his the biden team his one of betts

first term off-year his in history. >> joe biden ran for president in the 1980s before he broke through. yay yeah, i think we underestimate him. i think newt is exactly right. >> i would add the policy wins for democrats, which i heard a lot when i was traveling around the country, the democrats were feeling good to move legislation. we also underestimate americans being able to push aside -- this is not the first time we've had a conversation about racism and anti-semitism. we've had the former president himself use racist language at times, and he's continued to move past that, and republicans condemn the tweets and then say, i still like the man. >> we kind of saw that with benjamin netanyahu, he wanted to criticize the behavior, but not everything.

>> in this latest dinner with nick fuentes, and ye, it seems like if you're a human to come out against racism and anti-semitism. i think among one of the most forceful was mike pence, who actually said donald trump needs to apologize. compare that to some of the people who wouldn't even mention donald trump's name. >> before i let you go from this round of the panel. kevin mccarthy, if he doesn't have the votes, can he be speaker? >> i think so, absolutely. >> you would still take his ticket over steve scalise. we're taking a look back to 1986. >> throughout our jewish

history, if the jewish people went out of the existence, just because other people wanted them to go out of jewish existence, there wouldn't be a jewish people or israel today. but there's a certain stubbornness about our people that we just want to live as others do. we have lived among nations that didn't like us, and now we live in an independent state where people don't like us, we hope temporarily. >> that was golda meir, who became israel ace first knee peal prime minister. katherine clark will tell us how she will lead. if you have diabetes,

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making ways for hakeem jeffries, katherine clark and jim clyburn is staying in the number four spot. now, in the minority they'll be working to protect the biden administration's changes. and katherine clark of massachusetts, who is the incoming democratic whip, first elected to congress in 2013, reps the suburbs of boston, welcome to "meet the press." >> thank you, chuck. good to be with us. >> let me start with the new team in general. it's being hailed as a new generation of leaders, very much is diverse in appearance, but while there's diversity of life experience here, between the

three of you, there's not a lot of geographic diversity. very much blue strongholds, southern california, boston suburbs, brooklyn, new york. do you think there's enough geographic diversity inside the leadership team? >> you know, we represent a caucus that's historically diverse in all ways, that includes geography. what we have demonstrated over the last four years that we have been in leadership working together as a team, is that we reach across our democratic caucus to make sure that those perspectives are brought to the table. we put people together with solutions, and the strength of the democratic party in the house of representatives is that we are diverse, and we know that that gives us a great strength, and that coming together gives

us our power. >> do you have a -- what's a way that the average democratic house member is going to see a change between how pelosi and hoyer ran things verse how you and hakeem jeffries are going to run things? >> you know, one of the biggest changes is going to be that we are coming into this in the minority, but the commitment that we have had to the people of this country to workers, to women, to the climate is going to continue on. one of the things that the incredible leadership team that is transitioning out of the leadership has shown us is how to lead by putting the american people first. they have also given us a model

to become or own leaders. let me tell you what it means to me, coming in as a different generation. i remember my middle child waking up over nightmares about climate change. i've had my family at a move theater, when the movie stop, my children immediately felt there must be a shooter in there with us. these are the experiences we will bring as we continue to push to meet this moment of challenge for the american people with progress. >> i want to ask about something that happened this week, the vote to avert the railroad strike. some unions were not happy with democrats on this one. one quote from the maintenance of way employees division of the teamsters union -- you can

damned well believe our members will remember which politics supported the common courtesy of a sick day when we go to the ballot box. are you comfortable that the democrats passed a bill that bailey prevented more sick days. >> it's a national shame that we do not have paid sick leave in this country as a national policy for every single worker, including the railroad workers. that's why democrats, along with president biden made sure that that was included in the american rescue plan, so people could have a chance to recover from covid and other illness -- >> it didn't get passed, though. >> and then we went on in build back better. we have met absolute resistance from the gop, but our commitment is not to back down from this issue, but to continue to press. it is good for workers, and it

is good for the economy. >> when it comes to what needs to get dove but you end up in the minority, there's a lot of different items on this lame-duck agenda. i'm going to put up a graphic on the screen, from government funding, debt limb, electoral count act, what is realistic here? the electoral count act seems to be the most of must pass, but what else would you like to see get done before the next congress? >> just this week, we know we are going to be taking votes on the mdaa, making sure we're funding our national security. then we are going to have if the marriage equity bill come before us that has passed the senate, and we are going to celebrate being ability to enshrine that you can marry who you love in this country. then we have to pass a budget.

the chairman of our appropriation committee is at that negotiation table 24/7, making sure that we are putting together a blueprint of our values in how we spent our money. we do not want to leave that to the happens of the gop, who are already threatening to take down our economy and hold our budget hostage. so we have work to do in the remaining weeks of this session, and we plan on getting it done. >> i want to ask about ftx, the fallen ceo sam bankman-fried, given nearly $40 million to democratic causes over the last campaign trial, $6 million to the house majority pac, another million to the senate side of things, do you think the democratic party got itself too tied up with the crypto industry in general? >> you know, ftx is a cautionary

tale for all of us who are looking at how do we regulate crypto? how do we make sure that we are embracing what might be new technologies and currencies, but also making sure that consumers have account act and transparency. let me remind you, it is the democrats who make sure that we are pushing laws to get dark money out of our politics, so that people can see who's funding our campaigns. that has met with absolute resistance across the aisle. that is an issue that we are going to continue to push. >> should the party figure out a way to return all this money? >> you know, that's going to be up to individual campaigns, but, you know, this is how our system works. what is important is that we are making the improvements so that

people know exactly whose funding. one of the most alarming things we saw in november was a rise of dark money, money coming in from the individuals exceeding over a billion dollars, and money and campaigns that we don't know who it came from. so let's make it a transparent system. let's make it a system where the small donor has great responsibility and ability to participate. katherine clark, the incoming democratic whip not next congress, representing the suburbs of boston.

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welcome back. data download time. a record number of early voters have already cast their ballots no next week's georgia senate runoff. democrats have more than doubled republican ad spend fog this runoff. taking a look at the daunting senate map they'll face in 2024, it maybe give you an idea why democrats are fighting so hard

to keep this individual seat blue. let me show you a map here. 2024 senate matt. 23 of them democrats, including 21 democrats, technically, but this is bernie sanders's seat, angus king, they both caucus with the democrats. not a single one of these seats are in a state that joe biden carried, but there are three states here where donald trump carried them, and carried them by a lot. montana, jon tester, ohio, sherrod brown, and joe manchin. all at least of these democrats won when barack obama sought reelection in 2012. they all ran ahead. both tester and manchin ran well ahead of obama. they'll have to run farther ahead of biden if they're going to pull that off. look at the rest of this map. nevada, ace arizona, wisconsin, pennsylvania, there will be seats to defend, and one thing we have learned. if a republican presidential nominees flips this state to their side, they're likely going

to flip the senate seat as well. look on the republican side. there's just one seat up decided by less than 5%, and that is florida. maybe they try to do texas. ted cruz is up. but to play offense for democrats, is not easy. this is why they're spending so much money to hold this georgia seat. up next, democrats have outspent republicans by an astonishing margin in georgia. is it going to make a difference on tuesday? hey, are you ready? ♪

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welcome back. all right. i'm obsessed with the georgia ad spending. i have to set up another set of numbers. this is all the money that's been spent essentially on behalf

of rafael warnock, all right, since 2020. we're nearing $400 million, in one state. mitt romney ace campaign spent $400 in 2012. so that much in two years, assuming he wins this runoff on tuesday, isn't rafael warnock basically the first guy off the bench now for 2024? >> that's a great question. i'm not sure i can answer about the first person off the bench, but it underscores that they're taking this race very seriously, and as someone who has been down there in georgia, warnock is put ago money in there saying even no matter what he says, he's sort of an imbecile, i'm still going to vote for him because he's a republicans. warnock is putting money in this race, because he knows he has too. why the polls -- they're still pretty tight, tight in a race where most folks -- >> ashley, i like at everything that's happening in georgia 2022, it really is a republican leaning state. >> on the presidential level, it's a state that has long gone republican until biden flipped

it in 2022. after the november election, when the balance of the senate no longer hangs in the balance, it -- more for republicans, because it doesn't help republicans take control. for democrats, it -- this is not sexy, but makes a lot of procedural things a lot easier. more importantly, you know, those democratic votes that schumer and the white house had to wrangle, manchin is not the same an sinema. and having just one more makes it easier. >> i have sensed a resigned feeling that it's not going to goal their way. >> i certainly hope herschel wins. to ashley's point, the big issue will be on legislation if the

republicans take control of the house, but it will be a big deal on confirmations, as biden puts forward for that extra cushion. if you go to the november race, as far as raw votes, aside from, you know, kemp, the reality is herschel finished at the very bottom among the commissioner of

insurance, superintendent for state schools, you know, the challenge he has is a big one at this point to try to -- >> and he can't dangle control of the senate as an incentive. >> if it was a proxy of schumer versus mcconnell, that would help, but he doesn't have that. >> let me put this up on screen, and, of course, if he's running for reelection, those are contest that is won't really matter, about you it matters who shows up at the convention, south carolina first, then nevada and new hampshire are the same day, a week later, georgia, and then the early window closes with michigan. the south carolina thing caught everybody by surprise. >> so did the cbc thought that nevada would be the first in the nation.

>> i think joe biden loves south carolina. he's sitting in the white house today -- >> go with the voters that brought you. >> that's right. but talking to a lot of democrats involved, what we see this as is the february group of states that is bringing geographic diversity, demographic diversity. that's more aligned with where the electorate is today, as you watch this closely, thinks just the beginning of the process. they have to present -- they have to approve the moving of the dates, so the georgia secretary of state has already said he won't do that. will new hampshire really be first? i'm skeptical about that. this was joe biden saying, hey, i want to make sure progressives have a harder time getting this nomination. this is a primary calendar essentially for the establishment wing of the party. there is that, but also a calendar, if, for any reason someone wants to challenge a sitting president is going to be good for joe biden. the first questioned up is south carolina is not a general election state.

that's a big question for me. to me part of the reasoning that you heard, so i think it's interesting they're going to spend all the money where they can't win. >> as jen put it, we have a lot of chess pieces to put on the table here. before we go, a quick programming note. especially if you love streaming. you can stream user local nbc state right now, local news, weather, all of your favorite nbc shows, including this one, "meet the press." that's all we have for today. thanks for much watching. we'll be back next week, because if it's sunday, it's "meet the press." frankly, i think people are tired of looking backwards. i think