good day. i'm chris jansing live at msnbc headquarters in new york city. the georgia senate race runoff is in the critical closing hours with two candidates who frankly couldn't be more different and stakes that couldn't be higher. georgia voters have absolutely taken notice of all this. shattering multiple early voting records. we'll go live to atlanta and check in with steve kornacki at the big board in just a minute. plus, today there seems to be few political implications after donald trump's call to suspend the constitution but what about any possible legal ones? >> finally, a growing number of

americans are right now living in fear as hate speech spreads and hate crimes spike. later in the show, i'll be joined by two guests who represent and advocate for the people facing those threats. they're take on why it's happening and what needs to be done now. but let's start in georgia just 30 hours left before the polls close ending one of the most intense and at times one of the most bizarre senate races in recent memory. the stakes are huge. democrats strengthen the senate, republicans strengthen the state of georgia and donald trump's strength as a political king maker for the gop. as we speak, senator raphael warnock and herschel walker are in the midst of holding nine events today as they try to seize last-minute momentum and maximize turnout in a race where early voting has broken records. senator warnock talked about the stakes at one of his stops this morning. >> we're not about to be lulled into sleep because the issues

are too urgent, the stakes are too high and the differences between me and herschel walker are way too wide for us to sleep through this election. i feel good but we will press all the way to victory. >> i want to bring in mario parker, national politics editor at "bloombergkornacki at the bi msnbc political analyst. mario, if walker can win, it will be in spite of what seems to be a never ending string of odd statements and verbal gaffes combined with allegations from women about his behavior. that said, take me inside the strategy for the walker campaign. what are they doing, why, and what needs to happen now? >> well, you laid it out perfectly there. the walker campaign in the final

days is hitting up rural areas of georgia. he's going to a place called flowery branch for example. his travel is notable for a couple reasons. it's republicans he needs to turn out yes but for some other reason -- >> obviously, we're having technical difficulties. let's go to steve kornacki at the big board. >> the dynamic from the glove general election set this run off on paper there was enough voters to elect a republican but a critical number of them had reservations with herschel walker and compare the senate race, raphael warnock finished a point ahead of walker. that's why we're in this run off territory with the governor's race. brian kemp the republican won easily in the governor's race and not the only republican to win statewide in georgia.

republicans, this was a very republican friendly electret that turned out the november general election. joe biden's approval rating in georgia 41%. so why did herschel walker run five points behind brian kemp? one group of voters with a real problem with walker, independents. he lost by double digits by 11 points in november compare that to the governor's race. kemp won independents by a point. this is where you saw the biggest gap between warnock and walker and did the candidates show good judgment? 50% said that walker does only 34% of voters said that walker shows good judgement. nearly two-thirds said he doesn't among those who said that herschel walker does not show good judgment, here is the partisan breakdown. not popping up but i can tell you, nearly 30% of republicans in almost three out of four independent voters said herschel

walker does not have good judgment. so that's what cost him with voters so it's a real big question, i think, heading into tomorrow. you've been seeing early voting data that democrats are getting excited about. they think they're turning out their voters well in the early voting. the question is election day turnout, will the republicans match and exceed what democrats have been doing in the early voting and the question really is those republicans who were there in november for every republican except for walker, are they going to turn out and vote tomorrow? and if they do, are they going to hold their noses and vote for herschel walker or vote for warnock? we're going to look at fayette county south of atlanta, fast growing metropolitan atlanta area. you see walker carried this county by three points back in november compare that to what happened in the governor's race in the same county. kemp won by 14 points. there is a whole bunch of counties in the atlanta metro area, especially on the fringe of the metro atlanta area where republicans run up the score and get the decisive margins from.

kemp got the margins. the other statewide republicans got those in november. herschel walker won the counties but didn't get the margins republicans need so we'll look tomorrow night to see did walker get enough of those voters who were for all the other republicans in november, did he get them to turn out and did he get them to pull the lever for them? that's his challenge. >> both campaigns know this, mario. the gremlins have been banished so you're back with us. you were talking about herschel walker's strategy. i want you to have a chance to finish but compare that to what we've seen from raphael warnock. if he doesn't win, it won't be for not trying. he's been out there hour after hour, day after day trying to get that get out the vote movement going. talk to me about strategy overall on both sides. >> yeah, his point, you're seeing walker go to places that are republicans but he's trying to turn out voters in those

places where there was a disparity beteen those that supported kemp and those that supported him. flowery branch is one of those examples where he lagged kemp by 5,000 votes and warnock actually outperformed stacey abrams by 3 thousand votes. around here down in georgia, i mean the -- did i have did i have. >> apparently the gremlins are not listening to me today, steve. i don't know what is going on. matthew, we'll go to you and hopefully not have problems there. the concern was there would be a lack of concern and interest. it tough in the runoffs anyway but we found out it would not decide control of the senate, but we've seen these early voting records shattering expectations. 1.87 million at last count. what do you think is going on? >> i think we've seen this ever

since donald trump arrived on the scene in 2016, which is that it's motivated a lot of democrats to turn out. we saw it in 2018. we saw it in 2020. record setting votes. we saw it in the 2021 special elections in georgia when democrats elected two u.s. senators and saw it again in the general election this past fall. so donald trump has been a great motivator. he motivates his base but he also motivates democrats and that actually has helped the democrats more than it has helped republicans in this. i would just like to remind viewers in this that when democrats win georgia, that's the biggest victory democrats had in the race that came a little more than a year ago in that special election. that's the largest margin of victory in 25 years. this will be close. i think all the data right now favors warnock in this. not only the early vote and

turnout but herschel walker carries with him an immense amount of baggage. he's far more unpopular than raphael warnock and more distrusted than raphael warnock in this and the republican supporter of herschel walker is lukewarm at best. so the turnout is good. you can thank donald trump since he came down the escalator. he motivates democrats. >> so you can thank donald trump on the democratic side. on the republican side, though, do you think that for some republicans, if not many republicans, they're looking at this to see whether or not the magic is still there in terms of donald trump the king maker, we saw obviously what happened in the midterms or that the magic is gone? >> well, i think that's going to tell us what happens tomorrow night. i mean, i think if herschel walker was to pull this -- was to get across the finish line, it has nothing to do with donald trump and would have everything to do with the governor, popular republican governor state able

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at this hour and we're getting this first at msnbc, the white house calling on republican leadership to denounce donald trump's call to suspend the constitution. there has been as we've been reporting a deafening silence from the right particularly republican leaders after the stunning escalation of his false claims about the 2020 election that he says quote allows for the termination of all rules, regulations and articles even those found in the constitution. while gop congressional

leadership remained silent, some members did weigh in including the top republican on the house intel committee. >> i disagree with the statement that trump has made. trump has made, you know, 1,000 statements in which i disagree. there is a political process that has to go forward before anybody -- >> constitutional conservatives are pretty clear where they value the constitution. >> exactly. >> there has to be -- >> suspend the -- >> you get the pick the questions and i get to pick the answer. >> i'm trying to get you to answer the question i'm asking. >> there say political process before a front runner or anybody is even the candidate for the party. >> do you condemn him saying something like this? >> absolutely. >> let's bring in ali vitali on capitol hill and matthew dowd is still with us, the founder of "country over party" chef strategists for the bush cheney presidential campaign and msnbc political analyst and barbara

mcquaid, good to have all of you. ali, i know you haven't had time to get reaction. we just got this from the white house via kristen welker. the pressure is amping up, hasn't it, for republican leadership to make a statement of some kind? >> reporter: yeah, look, it's not surprising the white house is trying to add to the sense of urgency while highlighting the fact these republican lawmakers by in large have not said much about trump's latest calls but this reminds me of just last week or two weeks ago surrounding the kanye west dinner and the nick fuentes dinner. all of these lawmakers arm at home but all can avail themselves of social media if and when they want to. the fact these lawmakers isn't taken to social media to condemn this call to overturn the contusion and over throw the election results because donald trump wants to is notable. now, to that end, we have reached out to all republican

leadership offices here. they have not given us a response. if i were a guessing person, i'd imagine mitch mcconnell might have something to say about this tomorrow when we typically see him for leadership conferences and kevin mccarthy gets back tomorrow and we'll have the chance to ask him this, as well. once again, the thing you saw from mike turner on cbs is something that we're starting to see a lot from republican lawmakers in the halls of the capitol which is they don't want to spend their time getting into the majority talking about donald trump reacting to the same think he's been doing, whatever the headline is of the day, they would like to forge ahead. the reason that is problematic is a, he's the standard bearer of this party, b, especially the house republican conference, they have been remade in his image in many ways and c, he's the only announced republican candidate for president right now so they're going to have to respond to what the former president of their party and current person trying to regain that status has been saying.

including the latest turn about the constitution. >> so matthew, "the new york times" put it this way. the explicit suggestion of suspending the constitution was astonishing by the standards of mr. trump who has spent the past two years spreading lies about the 2020 election, which he lost and promoting various illegal mechanisms for overturning it. look, i don't think anybody believes that republican leadership is going to respond because the white house said you need to respond, having said that, what's the line? where's the line? is there a line? what's the pressure point at which a constitutional conservative will say no, we don't throw out the constitution? >> well, chris, i think you asked the most poignant questi. is there a line donald trump could cross that they would be willing to abandon him and i understand why republicans don't want to talk about donald trump but for six years they

propertied up donald trump. this is their problem more than anyone else's in the country. they enabled him. they helped him along the way. they didn't hold him accountable and now looking like what do we do? let's not talk about this. it's their problem in the midst of this. i think, i believe that for most americans, this is a red line, maybe it's not for republicans. it seems that the only red line republicans have as far as donald trump is concerned is the moment he becomes a political liability in elections. more republicans turned on donald trump in the aftermath of the '22 elections, 2022 elections because he lost a series of races he supported than turned on him when he won't defend and protect the constitution of the united states of america. >> mike pence's former chief of staff made a connection between trump's comments this weekend and what's going on potentially, i think, legally, and his words leading up to january 6th. take a listen.

>> look, i don't think it's a good platform for a presidential campaign to say we should set the constitution aside and i feel like we've seen this, i think, continue since january 6th and candidly, i think that's what he asked the vice president to do two years ago when rioters were attacking the capitol and he asked the vice president to overturn election results. unfortunately, this is a consistent trend. >> could trump's comments from this weekend be used in a special counsel's investigation? impact might they have? >> i think they could. chris, this say rule of evidence 04 b that says ordinarily statements about other acts that are bad are not permissible in evidence just to show someone's propensity to commit a crime but they are admissible to show someone's motive for intent. if this is designed to show the common theme as we heard there

of sort of an ends justify the means motivation of donald trump that i'm willing to sacrifice the constitution when it comes to advancing my own self-interest, that statement becomes admissible at trial. my guess is that the lawyers would try to at least get it admitted into evidence. the only thing that would keep it out is if a judge finds it's more prejudice. >> could it affect timing? do you look at in the big picture when you look at the things he said or actually put out on truth social? >> it sounds to me like someone who is very desperate and very concerned about what might be happening to him under the law as it exists if we're to follow the constitution so i don't know whether he is simply reading the same things we are about all of the bad legal rulings that happened against him last week from the 11th circuit decision to some of the other things that came along or if he is getting other information about people

who are cooperating against him or requests by mike penls and others to go before a grand jury and he may not know things that are publicly known about his legal jeopardy so it strikes me as something you say when you're desperate, the danger, chris, saying these things out loud is when you do that, theirthey'rel unthinkable. >> we saw it with january 6th. his behavior and words and social media get more and more outrageous, escalates as "the new york times" pointed out, does it make it any less likely we'll be the republican nominee in 2024? >> the biggest liability today is he's being branded a loser and republicans don't want to support a loser. it's the actual opposite where he was six, seven years ago where everybody thought he could be a winner coming out of nowhere. that's the more problematic

thing for his nomination process in 2024. at some point, the political baggage and legal baggage as barbara laid out becomes so heavy, republicans said listen, we disagree with donald trump on x, y and z but love the base and everything he stands for which is opposite the constitution but they abandon him not because of his statements about the constitution, not because of his corruption, not because of all those but he become such a heavy legal liability and political liability, they're unwilling to drag him along. >> matthew dowd, barbara mcquaid, thank you very much. we're keeping a close eye on a manhattan courtroom where jurors just started deliberaing in the tax fraud case against the trump organization. donald trump himself is not on trial but his company is with his former cfo allen weisselberg as a key witness but prosecutors tried to pull trump into it anyway insisting he knew all about the scheme. one lawyer called the ex president quote the elephant not

in the room. nbc's tom winter is outside the courthouse. it took a little while, i don't know if it was jury instructions or what but they finally have the case. give us a sense where things stand right now, tom. >> reporter: that's right, chris. jury instructions took more time than the judge i think initially or any of the observers thought, more than the hour anticipated and that makes sense a little bit because this is a complex kind of legal case in a case that really is not often brought. it's not often that corporations are charged criminally in new york and it's not often this particular law is a plied. before getting to this point before closing arguments, both sides with the judge went back and forth about the specific elements of the crime as you said and as the judge said, nearly echoing your comments or vice versa, earlier today this trial is not about the former president. he is not sitting there with the defense team but it does involve two of his former companies and

it could potentially have also involved donald trump at least according to prosecutors so they in their closing arguments address what they called statements made by their defense about closing arguments and testimony the defense tried to elicit as to the personal knowledge of the former president about these payment schemes. the alleged payment schemes for which the trump organization and two subsidiaies are charged with, specifically that the trump organization had some sort of a benefit. that's really the key line here, chris, that there was some benefit the trump organization received by not having to pay additional salaries, something called grossing up in order for these executives including allen weisselberg who pleaded guilty to pay the taxes they needed to pay on those particular benefits. we're talking luxury cars, mercedes benz, a luxury apartment overlooking the hudson in new york city and tuition to grandchildren. that's been kind of the key focus looking at weisselberg now of this case and whether or not

somebody in a high manager position, that's what it's described under the law is able to make that benefit for the trump organization. during the course of the trial, they said look, we did no analysis on whether or not this would benefit the trump corporation. on the other hand, they knew and the prosecution said look, we have a document here that has the president's initials they routinely adjusted the salary to compensate for benefits. ultimately, the jury needs to focus on the trump organization according to the judge. that's what they need to look at. this is not a case about politics. the prosecutor said we'll have to see what the jury ultimately determines about the former president's companies, chris. >> tom winter, thank you so much. appreciate it. tens of thousands in north carolina could be without power for days as cold weather rolls in. why authorities are now calling this a targeted attack. you're watching "chris jansing reports" only on msnbc. reports" only on msnbc pfizer va! so am i.

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more than 33,000 people in north carolina may be without power until thursday as temperatures hoover around freezing. officials say the electricity was cut after two suspects opened fire on substations in

moore county saturday night knocking them out of commission indefinitely. the fbi is working with state officials to determine who might be behind what they are calling a targeted attack. >> this was not a random act. this was something targeted. the folks that done this knew exactly what they were doing and that's scary. so it's scary to me and it ought to be scary and a wakeup call to the state of north carolina and to our country. >> a state of emergency with a 9:0 0 p.m. curfew is in effect and schools are out today as they hunker down. how are people staying warm and do officials have any leads on who did this? i mean, at least it sounded like obviously somebody who knows their way around a substation. >> reporter: hey, chris, this community right now has been really destabilized by this attack. about 30,000 -- more than 30,000 people woke up this morning

without power and in many cases woke up without running water in their homes as temperatures have been going down to around freezing every night. this is a community with a lot of elderly people, a lot of parents who have very small kids. there are calls for emergency assistance for elderly folks that need oxygen for example. so the county has been responding to the emergencies but also set up a shelter and is encouraging people that need a warm place to be and need some help to head there. but a lot of people here are actually just staying at home and hunkering down as they try to make it through this chaotic time. as you drive-through town, traffic lights are down. stores are completely in the dark. gas stations are closed. so people are really staying close to home as they wait for duke energy to be able to get the grid back and going. right now, the estimate is looking like thursday but that means several days potentially with kids out of school and without a lot of important resources here for people and, you know, on the investigation front, there are no leads or confirmed suspects at this time.

what you heard from the sheriff speaking to our colleague blayne alexander as you played a moment ago, that's really the core of what we know here. we don't have the suspect but we do know this is a criminal act, that the authorities here federal and local believe this has been done by an individual or a group that really knew what they were doing, that knew the resulting consequences of attacking these substations and, you know, that they are seeing no groups here at this time raise their hands and take credit for this action but they're really alarmed not just for what this means for this community in moore county but really for the larger question here of the vulnerability of our infrastructure systems around the united states so as you heard him say there, there is a wakeup call for people living through this mess here on the ground but also for people across this downdownry -- count right now. the campaign rally for rar

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increasingly experts are worried this growing level of hate is going main stream. fueled by some celebrities and politicians with massive followings. so what is it like inside these communities right now and what can be done about it? i want to bring in new york city council member eric botcher and beth cane the ceo of the los angeles museum of the hole cast. so glad to have both of you here. you represent many of the areas have been historically queer, gay bars have been a safe haven and we seen a series of attacks, bricks through the window of a gay bar in hell's kitchen. i wonder what you're hearing from the community and is it on edge? >> it is chris and there is a great deal of concern and anger quite frankly because what we're seeing is entirely predictable. what do we expect when leaders at the national level are

ratcheting up rhetoric against the community like lauren boebert that represents colorado springs where five people were killed at a bar with a drag show going on, she is putting things on the internet issuing a warning to drag queens to stay away from our kids, calling us groomers and then she goes on twitter the day after the shooting and gives her thoughts and prayers. people like that have blood on their hands and we're tired of it. >> marjorie taylor greene who has i think 1.6 million followers over the weekend retweeted an article on guiding children away from transgender. you see a direct through line from speech to frankly, violence. >> absolutely. and look, this is what we see throughout human history. people exploiting marginalized communities for political gain and that's what is happening now with the jewish community and we all stand in solidarity with

each other, the lgbtq community, the jewish community, african american community are together in this because what we're going through is what happened throughout history we're being exploited for political gain and manifests itself with violence. >> christopher wray shared this statistic in a speech recently. american jews make up 2.4% of the u.s. population. they're the target of 63% of religious hate crimes. our president just had to tweet that the holocaust was real, that hitler was a demonic figure. what is happening and what can be done about it? >> this should be a wakeup call for the world. you're absolutely right. hate and anti-semitism is being accepted into the main stream in a way that holocaust survivors in our community are saying scarily mirrors germany in the

1930s and the events leading up to the holocaust. >> i don't want to let that go by. you're saying holocaust survivors are telling you that it mirrors what happened then. >> that's correct. yes. mary bower is a 96-year-old survivor at our museum yesterday speaking to a group of students. she has a tattoo seared into her arm and an auschwitz survivor witnessing her parents walking straight into the gas chambers and did slave labor and she's scared and agitated. we need to listen to the holocaust survivors. this is a wakeup call for everyone because they know what can happen when hate and bigotry go unchecked. they know where this racism can lead. >> so what is your message, beth, to politicians, to celebrity, to celebrities fueling antis-semitic remarks and anti lgbtq racist remarks and for anyone frankly not

publicly denouncing it? >> well, first and foremost, we need to put a lot of pressure on business leaders like elon musk and the chief executive of amazon and we're seeing a ripple effect of dangerous people using influence and platforms to promote hate and anti-semitism and perpetuate false narratives. most people, especially young people have no idea what these antis-semitic tropes mean. when the chief executive of amazon says they refuse to remove the book that kyrie irving promoted, which is now a best seller, that's problematic. that -- his excuse was they want their customers to have varying -- be exposed to different view points. when it comes to the hole cast, there is one view point. it was the systematic mass murder of 6 million jews and l millions more including lbgtq

and people with disabilities. there are no second opinions when it comes to the holocaust. so first and foremost, we need to put pressure on these business leaders. and then there are legislators who can use their power to put -- enforce anti hate crime programs for the classrooms. individuals can play a role. if you're a parent or grandparent, teach your kids to treat peoplespect and treat your kids about everyone -- empathy and teach kids ho how to stand up against acts of racism and bigotry. we all have a role. we have a shared responsibility that starts with a small act of kindness. >> eric, how do you see allies can do better in the face of this? >> stand up and call out hate

when you see it. in your conversations with friends and family who might be conservative, please try to get them to stand up and i want to communicate to the people who are working at fox news and people who are booking people on these shows like tucker charleston had gays against groomers, that is incredibly, incredibly dangerous and some of you are members of the lgbtq community. please, please stop because this is manifesting itself in very hateful ways and people are getting killed. >> do you have any hope? i want to ask each of you very briefly, we don't have a lot of time. do you have hope these things that are happening are serving as a wakeup call, beth? >> yes. we like to be optimistic. we know that education is our greatest catalyst for change. we need to educate to stop hate. and there are museums like ours across the country and they're

doing a lot of work to educate young people. we know that when the adl did a recent survey shows students in high school when taught holocaust education and when they hear a survivor testimony they have more empathy, more tolerance, they're more open minded and that is a fact. so i am hopeful and ptimistic through education we can affect social change. >> beth, eric, i wish we had more time but i thank you both for really important conversation. we appreciate it. free speech and gay rights are on a collision course to the supreme court again. what did we learn where the court is leaning from today's arguments? we got that next. rom argumes?nt we got that next. i promise - as an independent advisor -

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couple. nbc's yamiche alcindor is outside the supreme court. this is a little different because that was a fairly narrow ruling. and the court now has a 6-3 conservative majority. talk a little bit more about the two cases and what we're expecting. >> reporter: well, as you said, chris, the 2018 case really was a narrowly-decided case. in favor of the baker who said he did not want to make a wedding cake for same-sex couples. but in this case, you have laurie smith who is suing the state of colorado pre-emptively and wants to get an assurance that she will not be sanctioned by the state of colorado if she decides to make a wedding website for an opposite self couple while also denying that same website to a same-sex couple. she is saying that her religious views make it that she is opposed to same-sex marriage and she shouldn't be compelled under free speech argument, that she shouldn't be compelled to make that website. we have heard tense exchanges

along with the two lawyers laying out the case ander what what the colorado attorney general had to say before the court. >> the company can choose to sell websites that only feature biblical quotes describing a marriage between a man and woman just like a christmas store can choose to sell only christmas-related items. the company just cannot refuse to serve gay couples as it seeks to do here just as the christmas store cannot announce no jews allowed. >> there you have it. colorado laying out the argument there and several of the justices, including justice sotomayor asking the lawyer for lori smith who is arguing in favor of allowing authority deny a same-sex couple a website, saying, in fact, what does it mean if you want to deny this, to a gay couple or interracial couple and justice jackson, ketanji brown jackson making the argument, what if a photographer doesn't want to photograph children that are african american, with santa, and decide

i only want to photograph white families because i want to go back to the 1950s, a lot of key arguments being made here, and the decision in the case could have a lasting impact. we will see what happens. chris? >> yamiche alcindor, thank you for that. that will do it for us this hour. "katy tur reports" is next. ur "katy tur reports" is next with downy inf ns, let the scent set the mood. feel the difference with downy. (scrooge) bah humbug! my signal is totally ghosting me!

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