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goods to be with you. i'm katy tur. it is a big 24 hours for west
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virginia. yes, west virginia. and it's all up to the voters of georgia. yes, georgia. you can see where i'm going with this. for the past two years, anything the democrats have wanted to do has needed the bye-in of west virginia -- buy-in of west virginia senator joe plan chin, -- manchin, it made big democratic promises like the child tax credit, paid family leave were stripped out of bills and efforts to to address climate change were adjusted allowing for concession for the fossil fuel industry. manchin have had so much leverage in washington that some have half jokingly referred to him as president manchin. now that republicans have gained influence manchin will still wield significant power over the democrats in the senate, still
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controlled, with judicial nominations. nonetheless, georgia voters choose the democratic party one more vote, a clear 51-49 majority by re-electing snaf raphael warnock to a full six-year term. to catch you up what happened over the weekend in georgia, warnock seems nobody a position of strength. the record surge in early voting indicates he is likely built on his narrow lead from last month's election, and walker is still very much in contention. a win for walker would be a big boon for gop morale including former president donald trump and his 2024 hopes. a sign that partisanship can push through even the most controversial candidate. and on that note, nbc's vaughn hilliard has a big concern, sitting down with cheryl parsa, who was with walker for five years. here is what he she says
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happened between the two of them back in 2005. >> and he had his hand on my throat, and my chest, and then he leaned back to throw a punch. >> neither walker nor his campaign have responded to multiple requests for comment on these allegations and it is unclear how much effect they will have on the second round of voting which again is tomorrow. so for the sake of joe manchin, lets get you up to speed. joining me from atlanta, vaughn hillyard, and trymain lee. >> vaughn, you have this exclusive. tell me a little bit more about what walker's ex said. >> right, i think let's start with how this came to be. the daily beast, roger sullen berger did the initial report when he brought light to light cheryl's story which chronicled her five-year romantic relationship with herschel walker in which that episode you just heard her recount, took place nine months into their
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relationship. she went on to tell me about why she stayed with him. she particularly talked about dissociative identity disorder which herschel walker acknowledged having, and no longer going through treatment and is okay. but when you hear her talk about the episodes that she endured over the course of those five years, it also is important to understand that herschel walker, dating back to thursday, when the daily beast first published its report, and when i attempted to directly ask him myself at an event on saturday, in which he ignored me and the campaign chose not to respond in any meaningful way, then yesterday, we came back to them, yet again asking if they had any comment on the allegations put forward by cheryl parsa. we have heard nothing from them. i want to let you hear a little bit more from her. take a listen. >> who is the man you got to know over the next five years? >> nothing like the man i met.
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absolutely nothing. in there were glimpses of him. and i thought i met herschel, the real herschel, and nothing about his dissociative identity disorder at that time. i watched these women come forward with their painful stories of betrayal, of their own fear, and denying the children, and he doesn't even know them. he told me many times when i was with him, i can sell dirt to georgia. in light of where we are now, there's a lot of relevance in that statement for me. >> katy, herschel's ex-wife in 2008 alleged that herschel walker held a gun to her head and threatened to blow her brains out. he has never denied that situation and only says that he does not recall it.
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his own son two months ago said that his father threatened to kill the family. and of course, over the course of this year, you have heard these multiple women who have come forward to allege that he paid for their abortions, there are three children who the public is now aware of that he was previously not acknowledging, and this, from cheryl parsa is not only on the record but also on camera in which she alleges this incident among others over the course of this five-year relationship she had with the republican candidate for the u.s. senate. >> very serious allegations. trymaine as vaughn said and as we said, the walker team has so far not responded to this. we reached out multiple times. what is he doing today on the campaign trail? what's he doing? what's warnock doing? >> both of these candidates are pushing into their base of core voters. herschel walker even with the latest allegations swirling around, took a last-minute bus trip to rural north georgia to lean into his supporters there.
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and raphael warnock is pushing into the communities that helped him win the special election in 2021, working class voters, young voters, black voters so he started off the day at a u.p.s. distribution center and talked about workers right and workers dignity and needs the union to stand behind him. and here we are at georgia tech university where he just left a rally and talking to leaning into their concern for young people that progress isn't happening enough and they're impatient and likened himself to when he was young, and fighting for rights, and the way to many young people stood up in the wake of george floyd's death. and later today, raphael warnock will be joined by the barber shop, with a group of black men and barbers together, to stand up in this moment where there is a clear contradiction between raphael warnock, a beacon and carrying the tradition of light of ebenezer baptist church and the legend of dr. king and herschel walker carrying the football and he would paint less value and moral standing, and
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reminding them even it is a historic race two of black men, that he needs them to push the community forward. in the final hours before they give their sendoff, the countdown begins and they're pushing into their bases. >> thank you very much. joining me now, the atlanta journal constitution's politics reporter, and senior national reporter mark caputo. thanks for being with us. these walker allegations, the latest allegations, and the sit-down that my colleague vaughn had with his ex is, that being heard by georgians? is it making a difference, shannon? >> boy, it's hard to say. we're right in the homestretch here. i don't know that at this point, it is going to make much difference. i think at this point, you have three categories of people in georgia. you have folks who don't believe any of these allegations against herschel walker, who feel this is all sort of a left wing media smear. you have the folks who do believe them, but think walker is a changed person. that he has a religious
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redemption experience and everyone should be allowed to make mistakes and come back from them. and you have the folks who are just not going to vote for him and i feel like everyone is locked in at this point. and maybe it will take an independent voter home, who might have been on the fence about going to the polls but i think at this point, people are pretty certain where they're going in this race. >> almost 2 million georgians have cast early ballots including 77,000 who did not vote last month, shannon. is there a difference maker in getting people to come out? i mean i know walker has been leaning on republican senators, popular republicans, like governor kemp who won outright for his bid for a second term as governor. even though walker did not get into the senate without a runoff, is that making a difference here? >> well, i think you see surrogates on both sides. we just reported a bit ago that trump will dob a tele-rally with
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walker tonight at his final appearance, at his campaign eve appearance i believe it is going to be, so he's coming into georgia but he will be beamed in, and you know, the walker folks believe that that will help mobilize their core supporter. of course, they're probably doing it at the last minute because they don't also want to mobilize people who don't like trump to come out as well. raphael warnock has had some very strong surrogates. he had barack obama here for a rally last week. that was really well attended. he had dave matthews, stevie wonder, some powerful surrogates on the warnock side. >> you have some reporting on the turnout so far. >> yes, republicans are nervous. they calculate that if you just took all of the early votes, warnock is going to win by nine points. but then there's election day. and what does that mean? that means that the republican estimation, that walker needs to win the election day vote by 20 points. that's a lot. now, what was really interesting in the last clip that you just
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had with vaughn was the rain behind it. tomorrow, it's going to rain in north georgia. you know, when you have a turnout problem, which walker does, and you have rain, it usually makes your turnout problem worse. we'll see. remember, in the general election, in november, walker got 203,000 fewer votes than governor kemp, and if you look at the polling, the campaign internal polling, he does better with democrats than republicans and that means walker has a problem relative to warnock with his own base. and now he wants to get his own base out. >> we no longer have a motivator that this is going to be down to who controls in the senate. the democrats control the senate. this would be an additional vote for democrats. so how would this change matters in the senate? we started this show by talking about how it is going to dilute joe manchin's power. >> that's really kind of arcane stuff for most voters to pay
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attention to. i think walker's biggest problem generally overall, when you kind of look at the arc of the campaign has been walker. when he's on the campaign trail, he's just running a very partisan primary republican campaign in a general election runoff. he's talking a lot about pronouns, that's what he is not talking about vampires and werewolves, so walker's real got a steep uphill climb. is it impossible? no. when you talk to republicans, both out of georgia and in georgia, people are paying attention to the data, and they think there is a real problem. >> what about, though, the senate, and control in washington? the republicans control the house, democrats again have control of the senate, what's going to, what is it going to matter for them to have one more vote in the senate, a clear 51-49 majority? >> i think the difference in 2024, that is, democrats, we don't want to forecast too soon, republicans expect to do better in 2024 than they did in 2022,
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and as big as they expect, it doesn't mean it is going to happen. it obviously helps to have every extra vote. when we're talking about razor thin margins in the senate currently. so every extra vote certainly helps. now, if we're talking about 2024, and you look at joe biden, he would rather have an extra democratic vote in the senate, and to a degree, having a republican house run by kevin mccarthy, who is essentially going to be hostage to his own caucus, assuming he even gets chosen, is not a bad thing for biden to run against. and that's according to biden's own people. >> and we also have a little bit more control over judicial nominations and getting them out of committee faster if they're not committees made up of 50-50 republicans, and democrats. marc caputo, thank you very much. and shannon watts, thank you as well. tonight, joy reid live from atlanta, speaking with senator raphael warnock about his race. watch at 7:00 p.m. eastern on
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the biden administration today says it is not commenting on the ambiguous an vague claim made by iranian officials that the company has abolished its mo at police but they did say there was no evidence that the regime improving its treatment of women and girls. over the weekend, iranian media said iran's a. g. told reporters the group is dubbed the morality
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police, and the hijab rule is being reviewed. now while that is the a. g., the a. g. does not include the morality police. there is no confirmation from the iran's supreme leader, president, interior ministry, or police. joining us is the iran bureau chief. what is the deal with this? can you help entangle this? why would the a. g. say it? >> because it is a hot mess and authorities don't know how to hands tal. since the death of mahsa amini, women in iran are suddenly saying enough, is enough, we're not going to wear the head scarf, we're not going to wear the coat that is mandatory anymore and they haven't been wearing it for the last three months, so the laws in iran haven't been changed, that women are now walking around and dress how they like, but they are not
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abiding about the islamic rule. so it is a state of chaos in that there right now. just before i came on air, katy, a senior official, a cleric in iran, said that the morality police has been disbanded but they may come back in a different form. so it is really unclear what's going on there. a lot of hard liners are saying let's physically remove them from the street. but monitor the women through surveillance cameras, fine them for not wearing the head scarf or not letting them claim their insurance or go through a bank. so it is a real mess right now. it isn't because they're taking a step back and they want to remove some laws. it is because of the critical mass of women supported by the vast majority of the population, saying we're not going to wear it anymore, so you walk around iran today, about 60% of the women refuse to wear the hijab or the coat, so what are the police going to do? arrest 60% of the female population? it is untenable. this was a move made by the people and the government are
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now scrambling to kind of figure out what their next move is. >> 60% of the women, that is a remarkable number. what does it feel like in terms of whether the country is on the precipice of yet another revolution? >> well, it's a crisis that the republic has never faced before in the 43 years. during every conversation you hear in iran, it is about the protest and what could happen next. it's unclear. it's unpredictable, the trajectory, but they never faced a problem like this. you never heard such open criticism of the regime by everybody from all walks of life in iran. and i can tell you, tehran looks very different than it did three months ago. women are not walking around with a head scarf. the walls are covered in graffiti across all cities in iran, with anti-government slogans.
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in the municipalities paint over the slogans and again people spray paint them. it is a very different country. it is on the edge. people are waiting to see what's going to happen. but the system is very deeply rooted, and the protesters are also very determined. >> thank you very much. and joining me now is carnegie endowment for international peace, senior fellow, good to have you. you call this the dictator's dilemma. what do you mean by that? >> well, every dictator, if they rule long enough, they eventually are faced with this dilemma that after decades of oppression, the population rises up, and when the population rises up, as we've seen in iran the last three months, if you don't offer any prospects for change, and your sole response is oppression, in the case of iran, it hasn't quelled the unrest. but at the same time if you
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actually offer promises of reform and change and say, you know, we're going to do things differently, you run the risk that instead of actually placating protests and quelling the unrest, you are actually projecting vulnerability and you embolden the protesters. that's a dilemma which the command leader understands and that is how they came to power in the 1979 revolution. >> what do you make of what ali just told us, what the streets of iran feel like, 60% of the women not wearing hijab, the grafsz on the walls, it doesn't feel the same as a few months ago. >> first let me commend him for outstanding and brave reporting, he is doing outstanding work. in these days iran is an inaccessible country for many independent reporters. ali is one of the exceptions. what is striking is 50 million smartphones in iran, we have incredible citizen journalism,
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and these types of changes and social changes that we once thought were just limited to urban areas, like tehran, northern tehran, maybe other cities, what i find remarkable is you see these protests throughout the country, women removing their head scarves throughout the country, university students, and we normally would have thought a very conservative areas, tearing down gender barriers, and this really is a nationwide protest, which transcends a lot of socioeconomic divides in the country. >> there's a video that you shared with us of the ongoing three-day strike, and what it's like to walk through the historic bazaar, and how it sem ty. we'll show you this. what is the significance of what we're seeing here? >> well, what is really significant is the strikes among the merchants, the bar zar, was
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one of the key factors that brought down iran's monarchy in 1978. another key part is the fights among oil workers. so you if see sustained strikes among merchant, the and then petrochemical workers, it is going to be very difficult for the islamic republic to preserve its power. >> i will ask the same question i asked ali and i know it is a different one to answer, difficult one to answer, but where do you think this is headed? are they on the edge of another revolution in iran? are people willing to fight back and say enough with this religious extreme, extreme religious regime? >> as ali also put it, you have two powerful forces, a young modern society that wants fundamental change and an old reactionary regime which wants to do everything it can to preserve its authority. neither one of these two groups are going to give up any time
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soon. over the medium and long term, i feel confident that the population in iran is going to prevail. but in the near term, you know, these things are really unpredictable how they play out. >> thank you very much. and director of national intelligence afternoon ril haynes is the down for an exclusive interview with andrea mitchell at the iranian defense forum and weighed in on the iranian protests and the zero covid protest in china. joining me is chief washington correspondent andrea mitchell. kudos on the exclusive. what did she tell you about what we're seeing in iran? >> they do not think that the regime is going to be toppled by, this as it was not in 2009, but she acknowledges this this is unprecedented. we've seen the pictures. you've heard it from ali, who knows it so well. and the experts on this. they are watching really
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closely. on this morality police issue, with the state department official, the senior official was telling me, that they do not see that the top leaders, including the supreme leader, none of them are talking about the morality police in this context, so it is not at all clear that they're letting down. this could just be sort of a head fake to try to stop the protests, the three-day protests that are about to happen. and to try to get people not to show up. this is what was said. >> speaking of protests, extraordinary protests, really have never seen to this extent, not in 2009 either, to what extent do you think it will actually need to change? because the iranian women, whom i speak to, they believe there is no turning back. >> yes.
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>> that the regime doesn't seem to be movable. >> yes, it is remarkable to see, and i mean among the protests that we've seen really be launched by a cultural issue, that was just extraordinary, and yes, so look, i think, you know, we're not seeing the regime perceive this as an imminent threat to their stability, in effect. >> the chinese protests -- >> yes. >> especially surprising to many observers after president xi jingping had just consolidated power. >> yes. >> how significant do you think these protests are? >> i think in a way it's a different version of the iran and really more of the public prudence piece, which again it is not something that we see as a threat to stability at this moment, or you know, regime change or anything like that, obviously, but it is nevertheless something that we're watching quite carefully, and you know, again can have an
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impact on the decision making and how it develops will be important to xi's standing. for one thing, it is highlighting the challenges that xi finds himself in the context of his covid policy, right? i mean it has had a pretty negative impact on the economy in china. and yet it is also something that, you know, seeing protests, and the response to it is, countering the narrative that he likes to put forward, which is that he, you know, china is so much more effective at government, they're better at management, they're sort of no chaos here, we don't have these kinds of problems. >> one of the similarities is that both iran and in china, the government is really challenged by economic problems. iran more so than china. but certainly the covid lockdown and the protests against them have sort of torn the band-aid off deeper problems that xi jingping is facing, which is not surprising, given that he has
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just consolidated his power first coming out of that party conference. >> it is very interesting. i'm so glad you had answers to both of those questions. what is going on with paul whelan and the imprisonment in russia along with brittany griner. >> we had news overnight from dave, paul's brother, saying that paul had told his parents in following up that mysterious absence over thanksgiving and going into the prison hospital, that he called his parents and said that he was taken where he was not sick, to the hospital, with no explanation, and then returned the next day, after thanksgiving, with no explanation, and then discovered that what he is missing, and what they deliberately wanted him to miss, was recruitment for prison inmates to ukraine, and the tough fighters in syria, these mercenaries now being used by putin, with some of the toughest and most brutal in
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ukraine, with the absence of really the troops from russian soldiers and the unwillingness of those who are signing up. and he also, according to my information, called officials at the embassy and gave that same explanation and my reporting from officials in the u.s. that this is incredible. that the group is in the prisons trying to recruit and that also, on another very sad front, they do not believe there is any prospect of paul or brittney griner getting out by christmas. they are aware of another u.s. offer, but they believe it is being stalled by the person that president putin has delegated to be in charge of the negotiations. >> andrea mitchell, thank you very much for all of the fresh reporting. >> appreciate it. coming up, democrats stripped her committee assignments and now the gop is back in control of the house, what sort of committee
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the white house says it is monitoring a targeted attack on the power grid in moore county, north carolina, which left tens of thousands in the dark and in the cold. police say a suspect or suspects drove out to two energy substations saturday night and opened fire, causing the blackout that could last through thursday. the fbi is now involved. so far, no motive is known. but it is showing just how susceptible critical infrastructure is to even an unsophisticated attack. joining me now is grid policy consulting ceo and founder john wellinghoff, a former chairman of the federal energy regulatory commission. thanks for being with us. a bit surprising for a lot of people, me, included that you could fire at a substation, with a gun, and knock out power to tens of thousands of people, for days. >> well, thank you for having me, katy, it is really
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surprising, although there was an incident in december of '13, 2013, excuse me, april of 2013, about nine years ago, called the met calf zin, just north of san jose, california that knocked out 17 transformers. although that did not result in any, just any individuals or businesses in the area, because it was in such a densely populated area that there were other substations and other resources that could be used to provide power. but it's not unprecedented. this has happened before. >> you have been trying to get people to be more aware of the vulnerabilities. and the susceptibilities of our power grids across the country. our infrastructure. what are you warning? >> well, the simple warning is that this is something that can occur. it's not something that is
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difficult to execute, as was evidenced by met calf. and by the way the fbi investigated that incident and still to this day does not know who fired into those 17 transformers, and disabled them. and not only is it something that's relatively easy to do, but it's relatively easy and inexpensive to perfect. that's the message i'm trying to carry forward here, that we should be doing more, we should be putting money into protecting this infrastructure, because it is so vulnerable. >> so do you want to see the federal government have, pass a bill that talks about shoring up, or hardening up our energy grids, or is this something that can be done at a local level? >> well, a number of federal agencies have already put regulations in place that are intended to provide for the protection of physical infrastructure like the electric
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grid. we need to oversee, enforce, and implement those regulations. we also need to have state governments involved as well. certainly the state of north carolina should get involved, and ensure that duke energy, which is not an unsophisticated utility, ensures that their substations are adequately protected. and the protects here again, katy, we're talking about, it's not something that is sophisticated, we're talking about cement block walls like the met calf substation in california after that incident, and you can't just do this one-on-one. simply, as simple as putting up sandbags, for example, could prevent something like this from happening. >> jon, thank you very much for coming on and helping us understand how simple it is to protect us from something like this. jon, appreciate it. and a price camp on russian oil goes into effect today. what it is already doing to gas
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the latest piece "why is she like this". >> why is marjorie taylor greene like this, alaina? >> well, first, thank you you for having me, katy and one of the reasons i wanted to do this piece, because as much as congressman green has been written about, i feel like there hasn't been sort of a deep dive into her origin story, and what i hoped, you know, reporting and writing on a piece like this might provide is some instructive blueprint of sorts to kind of understand how her brand of politician sort of sprouted up into the trump republican party and i would say that the primary reason why she is the way she is, and why there very well are several more politicians, or would-be politicians like her in america today, is the ease with which it is to be sucked into conspiracy theories like q-anon today. marjorie taylor, for instance,
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marjorie taylor green, was not really i think looking to become a politician or anything like that. she was looking for an identity. and what she found was facebook, and what she found was sort of a rabbit hole of sorts that allowed her to become part of the community that seemed to have been really lacking in her life, based on my reporting. and you know, she kind of just went from there. >> the piece is really interesting, and just speeding lieu it, because it is so well-written and so interesting, you also talk about, and you said this in the open, that the gop base was looking for someone just like her. what do you mean by that? >> i'm glad you asked that question. one thing that came up often in my reporting when i was talking to her supporters, especially in her very first primary in 2020, was this notion of right now, we in the republican party have people like megan mccain, people
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who in their words that we thought were conservatives, we had thought were, you know, pro-women, pro family and behind us all the way, but they got online or they look on tv, and it's women like that, you know, so-called conservatives that they would say, just bashing trump incessantly. and talking about the tweets, and plucking pearls over everything he does, and so what marjorie taylor green provided in essence was a stand-in, was the ability for republicans or base voters to be able to say, look, marjorie taylor green is a mom of three, she is a devoted wife, she owns a family business, and she loves donald trump. she is sort of, she sort of provided that missing variable in a way, and build a vacuum that a lot of base voters in the republican party thought was missing. >> her husband has filed for divorce recently. did you get a sense, and it's
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interesting, because you talk about people who remember her or don't remember her growing up, her teachers, they don't remember her as someone who was political as you mentioned a moment ago, somebody who was outspoken and wanted to be, on the front lines of shaping policy in this country, but you say she was looking for an identity, did you get a sense of whether she believes some of the stuff that she spouts, some of these conspiracy theories? >> i think that at the beginning, she was certainly drawn in by them, as i said, i think that she has explained before that the russia collusion narrative early on quote-unquote gave her a promotion structure basically to believe in things like q-anon and that the clintons were, you know, running a ring of pedophilia in the basement of a washington, d.c. pizza restaurant, which is of course, you know, quite an explanation for it, but to answer your question more pointedly, i would say that as much as she was kinds of roped
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in by these theories in the beginning, i really firmly believe that at this point, she does not, they're not really kind of the center of her ideology at this point. but i think that gets at something, you know, really destructive about the brand of a politician like her, which is to say that politicians like marjorie taylor green are very, very happy to capitalize on the popularity within certain segments of these conspiracy theories but then abandon them when they're no longer necessary for them. that is to say, once they've won an election. what happens in the aftermath is that she has only helped kind of gin up the popularity of such theories, draw potentially more people into that orbit, without explicitly, you know, supporting them, themselves. and that i think is how you get something like january 6th. i remember covering congress, and asking, you know, republican lawmakers constantly, what do you think about trump's latest
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