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thanks for staying up late. i will see you at the end of tomorrow. tomorrow but to have you here, so we're coming up on ten years since it happened in california, and we still don't know to this day who did it. on the afternoon of april 15th 2013, the boston marathon got bombed. you will remember this. twin bombs, three people killed, hundreds of people injured, some of them grievously. 17 of the people who were injured had to have limbs amputated. it was just horrific. again, that was april 15th, 2013. less than 12 hours after that bombing between midnight and 1 am that night, something much
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less deadly but also unnerving happened in northern california. it was just southeast of some san jose, california. it started at 12:58 am and an unincorporated sort of semi rural areas not far from silicon valley near the when one freeway. fall 50 8 am. somehow, someone almost certainly more than one person opened up the heavy metal cover of an underground vault on the side of the road. it wasn't a normal manhole cover like you see on the street, something you might be able to see yourself. it was something heavier than that which is why investigators think it would've likely taken more than one person to open this thing up. but whoever it was they opened it up, they got inside that underground vault and when they were in there they cut the fiber optic cables that ran through it. nine minutes later, they did it again. a different nearby underground
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vault containing fiber optic cables. they pulled open the doors, got in there, and sliced off the fibre. and the consequences of that were immediate. people all over the area immediately lost cell phone service and landline phone service, and 9-1-1 service went down. police would ultimately have to tell people in the area that if there were having an emergency and they needed to call 9-1-1 they should try to do that from a cell phone. if that didn't, work they should try to do it from a landline. if that didn't work, police advise people in the area you'll have to drive to the nearest fire station and ask for help in person because we have no other way for you to reach us. but cutting the fiber optic cables in those two places, that was part of the attack. because less than 25 minutes
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after the second batch of fire uptick cables were cut, the shooting started. right out the place where they had cut the cables were an electrical power substation. electrical power, you know, this it travels long distance on really high voltage high powerlines but when that electrical power's gonna be distributed to homes and businesses, and needs to be stepped down from that super high voltage that it's at for long distance transmission. it has to step down to the regular voltage that we all use when we plug something into the wall. a substation is where the power company puts in its big transformers that either step down or step up the voltage between regular neighborhood voltage and the high voltage that's in those long distance high powerlines. there was one of those substations filled with electrical transformers right next to the spot where whoever it was cut the fiber optic cables just outside san jose, california in 2013. 21 minutes after they cut the second set of fiber optic cables, whoever it was started shooting into that electrical
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power substation. with ak-47 style rifles. the wall street journal later reported that when investigators walked to the side to try to figure out where exactly the attackers had fired from when they shot into the power station, they found distinctive small piles of rocks, like little karen. investigators say the shooters fired more than 100 bullets into the electrical substation. over a period of about 19 minutes. they were firing carefully enough and with enough well informed deliberation that in that 19 minute period where they were shooting all those dozens of rounds, they were able to knock out 17 different electrical transformers in that substation. some of them by shooting them directly and some of them by
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causing them to melt down. quote, the shooters appear to have aimed at the transformers oil filled cooling systems. riddled with bullet holes, the transformers leaked 52,000 gallons of oil, then overheated. the first bank of them crashed at 1:45 am. between hitting the oil that was used as a cooling fluid for the transformers and hitting the transformers themselves, with more than 100 rounds of ak-47 rifle fire but, 17 transformers were knocked out in that electrical power substation. and with the cutting of [inaudible] cables nearby, self, and landline service was knocked down. that northern california attack in 2013 altogether, all those different components of it, it took less than an hour. and by the time the police come turned up, the perpetrators were gone. it took 27 days for authorities
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to make the repairs and get that substation back up and running and get the fiber connected again. it was only because that attack happened basically adjacent to silicon valley, there was enough redundancy in the system, enough nearby electrical substations that could be rude to that it wasn't a mess powering communications outage for thousands of people. but it was a fairly coordinated complex attack. investigators say, for example, there were zero fingerprints on any of the 100 bullet casings that they recovered from the scene. again, that took place in april 2013 and northern california. that attack remains unsolved. nobody ever publicly claimed responsibility. no one as far as we know has been arrested. no motive was described to whoever carried out that attack. because it came just hours after the boston marathon bombing, there was some initial fears that maybe it was a coordinated follow on attack to what happened in boston. that does not appear to have been the case. the boston marathon bombing has been attributed fully in the courts. one perpetrator of it is dead,
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the other is on death row. nothing ever surfaced in any way that linked the strange incident in california that happened earlier in that day. the only link appears to have been the date and that looks like nothing so much as coincidence. still though, whoever cut those cables and then shot up that power station, that's, far they got away with that. we don't know who they, are we don't know why they did it. no fuss for to this. here february of this year, february 2022. three man, one from ohio, one from wisconsin, one from indiana and texas pled guilty in a plot to do much the same thing. inspired by white supremacist ideology. department of justice press release three men plead guilty to conspiring to provide material support to a plot to attack power grids in the
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united states. domestic terrorism plot was in furtherance of white supremacist ideology. the plea agreement in that case, again from earlier this, year spells it out. it says in the fall of 2019, two young man aged 21 age 21 meta on line for. i'm one suggested to the other that they have to plan to take out electrical power substations in various parts of the country. try to set off civil unrest and to hopefully tried a set off a race war in the united states. this is from the plea agreement. , quote the plan was to attack the sub stations with powerful rifles that would penetrate the electrical transformers. members of the group estimated
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that would cause the government millions of dollars to recover. in addition, the defendants believe that time associated with replacing the substations but cause confusion and unrest for americans in the region. they were also conversations about how the possibility of the power being out for many months could cause a race war. additionally, without power across the country, they hoped it could cause the next great depression. people would show up to work, the economy would crash, and there would be a ripe opportunity for potential white leaders to rise up. that plea agreement until by the government earlier this year explains how these young men decided they would need to cause a pretty good -- a great explosion as a distraction. set off some kind of pick explosion that would distract police from what they were going to do to the power substations which is something again that they hoped would cause millions of dollars of damage, something that would take months to be able to repair. to set off just that distracting explosion they admitted to buying bomb components and starting to test explosives to suit that part of their plan. they also obtained multiple so-called ghost guns. guns with no serial numbers so they can be traced. they built what the government describes, multiple ar 47 style semiautomatic rifles. they built the rifles they were building more, and they started training with them and firing ranges. when the fbi search their homes, they found multiple firearms
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including firearms with no serial number, multiple silencers, milling tools, weapons modification manuals, explosives production diagrams and manuals, chemicals and components that an fbi lab determine could be used to create an explosive device. prosecutors said they found, quote, a large amount of not see related material such as videos, books, and images. also detailed u.s. power infrastructure information, a list of specific power substations, and, quote, an article regarding the sabotage of a power substation in california. the california attack on that power substation was in 2013. still unsolved. this, year we get neo-nazis trying to set off a race for planning what appears to have been a copycat attack, copied from what happened in
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california. also to the extent that they're also planning on using high powered rifles to shoot up electrical substations and try to knock out the power. the guilty pleas to the plot that was uncovered by federal prosecutors, the guilty pleas for earlier this year in federal court in ohio. and now this weekend, here we are again. moore county, north carolina. >> i promise, you we will get through this and we will get through it together. moore county is very strong. we are very united here in more county. and we're not gonna let this hold us back. we're not -- i will promise you, to the perpetrators out there. we will find. you shortly after 7 pm, power outage began here in the carthage area. shortly thereafter, the outages would spread through the greater majority of central and southern north county.
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upon the arrival of the power crews and our deputies, extensive damage was found at their substations. the scene indicated that they showed that the firearms had been used to disable the equipment. we have formed a plan for the night in the next few nights that this may -- that we may be out of power. this is a serious situation. we have come to the agreement it's best to protect our citizens and protect our county. we're gonna implement a curfew tonight, starting at 9 pm and that's county wide. from 9 pm to 5 am. >> a county wide curfew. a county state of emergency. all schools closed. first for one day, now again tomorrow for a second day. emergency shelters opened up for people to try to keep warm. all power generators. the whole county trying to get by on generator power.
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power out for what they call 45,000 customers. customers in this case means a 45,000 homes and businesses, altogether are talking about over 100,000 people. it was initially 45,000 customers, 45,000 homes and businesses. it's now down to 33,000 homes and businesses. but that still tens of thousands of americans tonight with zero power. zero. this isn't like lions down in a storm. they go out and rewire the lines and put them back up. this is to electrical substations shot up with firearms like in california in 2013 and like the neo-nazis just pled guilty to doing earlier this year. this is major equipment, transformers at substations are
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austin custom built equipment. they're big, they're complex, they're expensive. this is not a quick fix. it may be days in more county north carolina before there's power. and we have nobody in custody, nobody claiming responsibility. no word on any potential motive. apparently no suspects. and more county in north carolina this weekend, it was two different electrical substations reportedly about ten miles apart. the two of them reportedly shot at and disabled by gunfire within about 45 minutes of each other on saturday night. now, the sheriff tonight was asked if those attacks were simultaneous or if they're sequential. he wouldn't say either way. if the attacks on the sub stations were not simultaneous, if they were sequential, one than the other, it would leave open the possibility that it could've been a single perpetrator who carried out both attacks. driving between the two sites hitting one and then hitting the other. but we just don't. no that's a position on my part based on the fact that we've been given.
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>> as for the motive, we literally have no idea. and there has been a lot of speculation both nationally and locally since we have learned that this happened. since we learned that this was a deliberately inflicted attack. but honestly, bottom, line really do not know. at the first press conference yesterday with the sheriff and local officials took the first questions about what had happened, they were immediately asked, and then asked repeatedly, whether this attack on the electrical infrastructure and north carolina might be related to threats and intimidation that had been directed at local lgbtq groups and moore county recently. and in particular at a drag show and no downtown venue in the town of southern pines. a show that started just minutes before the power stations were shot up and the lights went out. they were far-right, anti-gay, anti-trans protesters trying to shut down that more county event. on saturday. just hours before the power stations were shot up. this followed another similar protests by masked far-right paramilitary groups including
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the proud boys at an lgbtq event last month in nearby sanford, north carolina which is only about a half an hour away from moore county. by snooze points out today that this was a whole weekend of menacing anti-gay, anti-trans protests and multiple places around the country. including columbus ohio where, honestly, it looks like a gun show on the street outside one gay and trans friendly event with armed proud boys flashing white power signs and screaming at people, and white supremacist group called patriot front showing up information. white lives matter of guys doings hitler salutes, random guys with no apparent affiliation just turning up and full camouflage military style outfits with assault rifles. that was columbus, ohio this weekend. lakeland florida had neo-nazis this weekend outside a queer event. flying a big swastika, holocaust deniers showed up to another queer event in new york city this weekend as well. when more county, north carolina was host this saturday to another one of these far-right, anti-, gay anti-trans protests, and then just as a local drag show that there were protesting started up, someone shot up the power stations and cut power to the whole county.
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yes, understandably people locally immediately started asking the sheriff if that was the reason why, if there was a connection. the sheriff has said repeatedly that he has no idea if the attack on the power stations is linked to those anti gay anti trans protests. there really is no indication either way. the sheriff says he has no idea about a motive of any kind, no suspects, nobody claiming responsibility. no one in custody. we've got a u.s. senate runoff tomorrow in georgia which will determine a lot about who's [inaudible] in washington over the next two years. we're awaiting an imminent jury verdict in a criminal trial of the business of the former president who says he's running for president again and was that this weekend we should get rid of the united states constitution. in his where it's he said we should, terminate the constitution and reinstall him in power without.
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it we have all of europe as of today banning oil from russia. we have a red pill sophomore billionaire allowing the world 's neo-nazis back on the social media platform that were kicked off years ago for inciting violence against jewish people and others. we have the incoming republican speeder of the house saying the republicans will defund the u.s. military fewest troops still have to get their vaccinations in order to serve. which is something they've had to do for decades. we've got a lot to deal with as a country right now. but on top of all of it, we've got another incident of this very low tech, very high impact infrastructure sabotage. somebody shooting a high powered rifle into electrical substations in north carolina. it's happened before. tonight it's happened again and tonight tens of thousands of our fellow americans are shivering in the dark in north
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carolina on purpose for reasons unknown. joining us now is msnbc correspondent antonia hylton. and she joins us live from north carolina. you're on campus hill, that's about a half an hour away from where the incident happened. she's breaking curfew by local authorities. there thank you for being here tonight. >> good to see you, rachel. thanks for having me. >> first of all, let me ask you if there was a fair characterization of what we understand about how things are going thus far and more county. let me ask if i got anything wrong there or our understanding, or your reporting has advanced the story anymore in terms of what happened and what authorities think might have been behind it. >> rachel, i think most of that was spot on. i think the only thing i would add is a description of how strange it is in moore county right now to just bring you into the scene there. first it's pitch black dark there. everyone has to be off the road by 9 pm.
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schools closed, so kids are at home with their families. this is a community with a lot of elderly people. people who in some cases depend on things like oxygen. so they were plunged in a matter of minutes into chaos. and that chaos is going to stretch from saturday night. now it's looking like until thursday. i spoke to a spokes person a duke energy and he said the vast majority of people aren't going to be getting the power back until then. and it's not just the darkness and being cold at night. it means a lot of people don't have running water. so it means you're not gonna get a good shower until thursday. people are struggling to find food, you can't really find an open guest station. you have to leave the county to get most of your resources right now. so it has this ghost town feeling to it. and all of the local anxiety that comes with all of that. so for me there was this realization i guess that a random act or set of actors couldn't in just such a short
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amount of time plunge an entire community and school system, its infrastructure, its resources into this kind of chaos. and then that chaos could last for days. >> in terms of these random actors. we have no idea who did this. we have no idea for motivation. do we know anything further, anything beyond what we learned in the immediate aftermath of the attack about how this was carried out? i know they've said it's too substations, it's my understanding that these are substations that we're about ten miles apart. i've seen some reporting that it wasn't simultaneous attack. it was a subsequent attack although the sheriff is refusing to comment on that detail tonight. we also know with ortiz have described those substations been knocked out by gunfire and then there being a kind of cascading effect down the line that knocked out power so much more widely. is that still our understanding, do we know anything further about how it was carried out? >> yeah, part of what's been frustrating for reporters here on the ground, rachel, is that as we try to get some more of those details, we keep getting rebuffed. so here's what we do know.
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we know that these two substations were attacked by gunfire. that offense was broken down in the west process. they're using the same words over and over again. they use the word intentional and then they specifically consistently use the phrasing that this person knew what they were doing. and when i ask the sheriff and also the governor of north carolina today across conference what is the word intentional mean. are you saying that this person, perhaps, has worked at these sites. they really know what a substation is. because let's be honest, most people don't know what a substation is and would be able to find one if asked. so what are you saying if -- when you say someone you what they were doing that night? and they repeat the phrases over and over again. so for me, what i took from
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that and what all the reporters gathered we hear tech from that, this isn't a bunch of teenagers pulling they were doing and everything that comes with. that they knew the consequences, they knew what they were plunging this community into when they took this action saturday night. >> in terms of a potential motive, obviously the bottom line is we do not know the motive and they were clear about that. i saw headlines about this over this weekend but i didn't go back and actually watch the raw footage. local authorities were instantly first question asked if there was a connection to attacks on the local lgbtq community. local residents. confronting local officials saying, we think that's what this is about. there's been these protests outside this truck performance
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on saturday night, that performance was saturday night right around the time this happened. folks who live in more county are raising this repeatedly as if they are convinced that there is some connection. but i have to ask you, is it just people wondering, is there any substantive reason to suspect a connection? >> right now, we don't have any facts about the motive, about the suspects. they don't even have suspects named in this case. but i don't want to diminish and anyways the concerns of that community is raising here. lgbtq people are reflecting real anxieties that they're having right now. and here's what we do know. in the days leading up to saturday night, it wasn't just that day. the protests and the minutes before 7 pm came. it wasn't in the days leading up to this, people were posting horrible unfounded stuff on social media. the performance, the people in that community plenty to attend the event were frightened by the rhetoric that was coming not just from random people on the internet but from people
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who are well-known in this community. people connected to positions of leadership even in this community. so people were really afraid. i don't diminish in any way that raising questions about that, the frustration as a reporter is that we don't have the answers yet and we have to be careful about drawing any of those connections because they're not there this time. but certainly people who are living here are making the connections with all the patterns that you described just minutes ago as they are themselves, as performers or just people attending these events in this community, trying to support lgbtq people living here, they're seeing what's happening here across north carolina and across the country right now as right-wing activists target lgbtq people and community spaces that they try to bring together and they are feeling that. so i think it's very much the right and they should be asking those questions, they should be -- it seems like authorities have no idea who's done this, they're asking people to call the tip line, to --
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were hoping that we find out in the coming days. >> we have to find out more and they need to get the lights on in the water flowing. it's a consequential thing that happened. here msnbc correspondent antonia in chapel hill tonight. very good reporting. it's good to have you here. we've got much more ahead, do stay with us. stay with us showed that centrum silver supports cognitive health in older adults. it's one more step towards taking charge of your health. so every day, you can say... ♪ youuu did it! ♪ with centrum silver. laundry truths: the bargain jug. ♪♪ that's a huge jug of detergent. yeah, isn't it a bargain? you know that bargain detergent is 85% water, right? really? it's this much water! so, i'm just paying for watery soap? that's why i use tide pods.
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attorney's office, made an investigation of trump's family business, got a little bit more ominous today, after the announcement of a new senior council been brought on by the da to work on what the office called, its most sensitive and high profile white collar investigations. today was matthew colangelo, first day on the job of the manhattan da's, job in his new title of senior counsel, but he definitely knows his way around the place. mr. colangelo, served as a senior official during his time and main, justice is the number three personna doj during his time in washington, but he has lots of relevant experience investigating donald trump, from an important previous stint in new york. in the new york attorney generals office, he was part of the team that investigated, for example, trump's fake charity, the trump foundation. that investigation about the trump foundation, shut down. mr. colangelo was part of investigation that led to a quarter of 1 million dollar lawsuit, the attorney general by trump and his adult kids, and his business. that lawsuit was filed by the new york aging september.
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now michael colangelo is going to the new york da's office, with a keen understanding of his business dealings, and a track record of being in very hard edged prop processes against trump, that presumably will be a valuable asset, given the new york. -- potential criminal, members helping whether it would be has committed tax fraud in the course of his family business. joining me now is rebecca, wavy she's a former district attorney in the aids, officer she is now professor new york law school, thanks for being here again.
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>> the das office or the ag's office? >> da's office. >> so the ag's office in the da's office, despite the fact we call them by their initials, tell me about what it means to have somebody that had that kind of experience in attorney generals office, those come into the da's office. typically those of, us people watching outside new york might not know what the difference between the two might be. >> the da's office, it is primarily a prosecutorial office, and attorney general new york, primarily has a responsibility for civil cases, at some jurisdiction for criminal cases but less so. but the fact that she's coming over here, it is not because of his experience prosecuting cases, but because of his experience supervising major investigations and particularly this investigation into the former president. we tend to think of cases like this as it isn't a syrians citizen b, in the case of these -- which as trump alleging to operate a fake charity, using the trump foundation to instead
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put money in his own pocket, and do some political favors for himself. the result of that civil lawsuit was the shutdown of the trump organization, which tells you something about the fact that the teeth could be in some of these cases. colangelo was 100% legal. it's kind of a civil case, where the victim is the public, and so someone suing somebody, else because that one was hurt, suffered some kind of damages, instead it's like the public suffer damages, and as a civil case that is brought in the public for half, that's what the attorney general is doing. >> so in this case, when mr. colangelo is remembering them on is the senior counsel, if they're exclusive to this new york times, they put up press release up there after, not
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naming him as a person working on trump things. but because he doesn't have experience as a political prosecutor, it's his expertise with a trump that he brings with them as baggage into this. the reason that they brought him on board. should be surmise from that, who and some of the understanding that he garnered in the civil investigations, will result in criminal charges brought against trump unrelated matters. >> think it's an exaggeration to say from this, but there wouldn't necessarily be some kind of indictment involving the same facts as were involved, in those civil cases, but i think we can draw the conclusion that these cases and investigations, are extensive, potentially extensive and ongoing, and that in themselves isn't it significant. there was some question, and the prosecutors office about whether not that was true. i these investigations are going on, and you don't have to do is some small issues that
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can be resolved from the office itself, but rather are extensive and complex. >> i just did this podcast where i talked in part, they spent a lot of time researching how the justice department in the 1940s, dealt with sedition charges from a lot of people that were up to crazy stuff in world war ii, and one of the disturbing things like materialize in that course that research, with the podcast ended up being about, is that the justice department is let's get in it thinks it is at resisting political pressure. that when people with a lot of political power get inside to prosecutors, political pressure gets to there, in a way that more often than the justice department would like to, amid results and people either escaping being charged altogether, or prosecutors been fired, or cases been unduly limited. and that's upsetting, but i feel like we should also be honest about, it i did not podcast because i want to talk that about that more honestly than we have. what is your feeling about the new york da's office, and political pressure? >> i think all prosecutors, as you, say are subject to certain political pressures. i think that's unavoidable, but
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particularly unavoidable when you're an elected official. i think it's very hard to fly below the radar, especially many of the constituency that voted for you, people are said about certain things all the time, there are high profile cases that have a greater weight than all the things we were doing. nobody even notices that you're doing in the office. so of course. but what we want is to minimize the political impact. and the various different, and i am sure you know this because of investigation, but they're very different structural ways you do that. but fundamentally we rely on the character of prosecutors to be our backstop. i think people get upset and frustrated about it, but there just isn't really a better way to do that. there wasn't a way to do, that much better than the alternative. >> and the power in the weight of political pressure is the more honest way to confront, it because you do have to build
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firewalls, you've got to protect her prosecutors, you don't protect your processes. >> i think it's must much better we should be more afraid of prosecutors under political pressure indicting someone, then people under political pressure not going as aggressively against a political opponent, because as much more opponent concerning when someone's liberties at stake. but both of them are not ideal. >> rebecca roiphe, a former assistant attorney to manhattan da's office, now professor at new york law school, i'm glad we were able to corner outfits. more news, ahead stay with us. >> tech: when you get a chip in your windshield... trust safelite. this couple was headed to the farmers market... when they got a chip. they drove to safelite for a same-day repair. and with their insurance, it was no cost to them. >> woman: really? >> tech: that's service the way you need it. >> singers: ♪ safelite repair, safelite replace. ♪ detect this: living with hiv, i learned i can stay undetectable
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law after the 2020 election, which dramatically shorten the amount of time that voters had to work but early in an election like this. now early voting is over, -- will happen on election day tomorrow. in terms of what to expect tomorrow. the latest polls show a very tight race between warnock and walker, a new poll out today from fox five atlanta, shows senator warnock with 51% of the vote, and herschel walker with 48% of the vote. and emerson poll, released late last week, similarly showed warnock 51%, walker 49%. again, that's within the margin of error of that poll. a cnn poll of the race, released friday, found senator warnock in 52, and herschel walker at 48, as just barely outside the margin of error, in that poll. margin of area, pull is 3. 8%, and that was a four point spread, so take that with the gigantic grain of salt. polls, of course, can be wrong, the only poll that actually
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