couple of weeks ago we were do it. >> and the neutrality robes that they've done which are literal cloaks, costume themselves as neutral arbiters of law can't mask what we're hearing when they're talking about reeducation camps. melissa murray, elie mystal, good to have you here. that's all in on this monday. neither mitchell meadows just start. now >> thanks to you at home for joining us this hour. good to have you here. we're coming up on ten years since it happened in california, and we still don't know to this day who did it. on the afternoon of april 15th, 2013, the boston marathon got bombed. you will remember this. twin bombs, three people killed, hundreds of people injured, some of them grievously. 17 of the people injured had to have limbs amputated. it was just horrific.

again, that was april 15th, 2013. less than 12 hours after that bombing, between midnight and 1:00 a.m. that night, something much less deadly but also unnerving happened in northern california. it was just southeast of san jose, california. it started at 12:58 a.m. in an unincorporated, sort of semi rural area not far from silicon valley near the 101 freeway. 12:58 a.m. somehow, someone almost certainly more than one person opened up the heavy metal cover of an underground vault on the side of the road. it wasn't a normal manhole cover

like you see in the street everywhere, the thing you might be able to lift up yourself. it was much bigger than that, heavier that that, which is why investigators think it would have likely taken more than one person to open this thing up. whoever it was, they opened it up, got inside that underground vault and when they were in there, they cut the fiber optic cables that ran through it. nine minutes later, they did it again, a different, nearby, underground vault containing fiber optic cables. they pulled open the doors, got in there and sliced off the fiber. the consequences of that were immediate. people all over the area instantly lost cell phone service, land line service and 9 lesson call service went down. police to have to tell people in the area that if they were

having an emergency and needed to call 911, they should try to do that from a cell phone. if didn't that work, they should try to do it from a land line. if that didn't work, police advised people in the area that you're going to have to drive to the nearest fire station and ask for help in person because we have no other way for you to reach us. but cutting the fiber optic cables in those two places, that was only part of the attack. because less than 25 minutes after the second batch of fiber optic cables were cut, the shooting started, right near the place where they had cut the cables was an electrical power substation. now, electrical power, you know this, it travels long distance on really, really high voltage, high power lines. but then when the electrical

power is going to be distributed to homes and businesses, it needs to be stepped down from that super high voltage that it's at for long distance transmission, has to get stepped down to the regular voltage that we all use when we plug something into the ball. a substation is where the power company puts its big transformers that either step down or step up the voltage between regular neighborhood voltage and the high voltage that's in those long distance high power lines. well, there was one of those substations filled with electrical transformers right next to the spot where whoever it was cut those fiber optic cables just outside san jose, california, in 2013. 21 minutes after they cut the second set of fiber optic cables, whoever it was started shooting into that electrical power substation with ak-47 style rifles. "the wall street journal" later reported when investigators

walked the site to figure out where exactly the attackers had fired from when they shot into the power station, they found distinctive little small piles of rocks. investigators say the shooters fired more than 100 bullets into the electrical substation over a period of about 19 minutes. they were firing carefully enough and with enough well informed deliberation that in that 19-minute period where they were shooting all those dozens of rounds, they were able to knock out 17 different electrical transformers in that substation, some of them by shooting them directly and some of them by causing them to melt down. quote, the shooters appear to have aimed at the transformers oil-filled cooling systems. riddled with bullet holes, the transformers leaked 52,000 gallons of oil and then

overheated. the first bank of them started crashing at 1:45 a.m. so between hitting the oil that was used as a cooling fluid for the transformers and hitting the transformers themselves, 17 transformers were knocked out in that electrical power substation. and with the cutting of the fiber optic cables nearby, cell phone, land line and 911 service was knocked out. that northern california attack in 2013 altogether, all those different components of it, it took less than an hour. by the time the police turned up, the perpetrators were gone. it took 27 days for authorities to make the repairs and get that substation up and running and get that fiber connected again. it was only because that attack happened basically adjacent to

silicon valley, it was only that there was enough redundancy in the system, enough other substations they could reroute to, that it wasn't a mass power and communication outage for thousands of people. but it was a fairly coordinated, you know, complex attack. investigators say, for example, there were zero fingerprints on any of the 100 bullet casings that they recovered from the scene.

again, that took place april, 2013, in northern california. that attack remains unsolved. nobody ever publicly claimed responsibility. nobody as far as we know was ever arrested. no motive was ever ascribed to

whatever carried out that attack. now, because it came just hours after the boston marathon bombing, there was some initial fears that maybe it was like a coordinated follow-on attack to what happened in boston. that does not appear to be the case. the boston marathon bombing has been adjudicated fully in the courts. one perpetrator is dead, the

other is now on death row. nothing ever surfaced in any way that linked this strange incident in california to that attack that happened earlier in that day. the only link is the date and it just looks like coincidence. still, though, whoever cut those cables and then shot up that power station, thus far they got away with it. we don't know who they are, we don't know why they did it. now, fast forward to this year. february of this year. february 2022. three men, one from ohio, one in wisconsin, one from indiana and

texas pled guilty to a plot to do much the same thing, inspired by white supremacist ideology. department of justice press release, three men plead guilty to conspiring material support to a plot to attack power grids in the united states. domestic terrorism plot was in furtherance of white supremacist ideology. and the plea agreement in that case from earlier this year spells it out. it says in the fall of 2019, two young men, one age 20, one age 24, met in an online forum. one suggested to the other that they hatch a plan to take out electrical power substations in various parts of the country to try to set off civil unrest and to hopefully try to set off a race war in the united states. this is from the plea agreement. quote, the plan was to attack the substations with powerful rifles that would penetrate the electrical transformers. members of the group estimated that would cost the government millions of dollars to recover. in addition, the defendants believed that time associated with replacing the substations would cause confusion and unrest for americans in the region. there were also conversations about how the possibility of the power being out for many months could cause a race war. initially without power across the country, they hoped it could cause the next great depression. people wouldn't show up to work, the economy would crash and there would be a ripe opportunity for potential white leaders to rise up. that plea agreement, unsealed by the government earlier this year, explains how these young men decided they would need to cause a big explosion as a distraction. they wanted to set off some kind of big explosion that would tie up the police and distract police from what they were going to do to the power substations, which is something, again, that they hoped would cause millions of dollars of damage and something that would take months to repair. to set off just the distraction explosion, they admitted to

buying bomb components and starting to test explosives to suit that part of their plan. they also obtained multiple so-called ghost guns. guns with no serial number so they couldn't be traced. they built what the government describes as multiple ar-47 style semiautomatic rifles. they built the rifles, they were building more and they started training with them at firing ranges. when the fbi searched their homes, they found multiple firearms, including firearms with no serial number, multiple silencers, milling tools, weapons modification manuals, explosives production diagrams and manuals, chemicals and components that an fbi lab determined could be used to create an explosive device. prosecutors found a large amount of nazi-related materials such as videos, books and images. detailed u.s. power infrastructure information, a list of specific power substations and, quote, an article regarding the sabotage of a power substation in california. so the california attack on that power substation was in 2013. still unsolved. this year we get neo-nazis trying to set off a race war planning what appears to have been a copy-cat attack, copying what happened in california. also to the extent that they're also planning on using high-powered rifles to shoot up electrical substations and try to knock out the power. the guilty pleas to the plot that was uncovered by federal prosecutors, those guilty pleas were earlier this year in federal court in ohio. and now this weekend, here we are again. moore county, north carolina. >> i promise you, we're going to get through this and we're going to get through it together. moore county is very strong. we're very united here in moore county. we're not going to let this hold us back. i can promise you to the perpetrators out there, we will find you. shortly after 7:00 p.m., power outages began here in the carthage area. shortly thereafter, the outages would spread to the greater majority of central and southern moore county. upon the arrival of the power crews and our deputies, extensive damage was found at their substations. the evidence at the scene indicated that the -- showed that the firearm had been used to disable the equipment. we have formed a plan for the night and the next few nights that this may -- that we may be out of power. it's a very serious situation. so we've come to the agreement the best to protect our citizens and to protect the businesses of

our county, we're going to implement a curfew tonight starting at 9:00 p.m. and that's countywide, from 9:00 p.m. to 5:00 a.m. a countywide curfew, a county state of emergency. all schools closed, first for one day, now tomorrow for a second day. emergency shelters opened up for people to try to keep warm all powered by generators. the whole county trying to get by on generator power. power out for what they call 45,000 customers. customers in this case means 45,000 homes and businesses. altogether we're talking about over 100,000 people. well, it was initially 45,000 customers, 45,000 homes and businesses. it's now down to 33,000 homes and businesses. but that's still tens of thousands of americans tonight with zero power, zero. and this isn't like lines down in a storm that you go out and rewire the lines and put them back up.

this is two electrical substations shot up with firearms, like in california in 2013 and like the neo-nazis just pled guilty to planning in ohio earlier this year. so this is major equipment. transformers at substations are often custom built equipment. they're big, they're complex, they are expensive. this is not a quick fix. it may yet be days in moore county, north carolina, before there is power. they have nobody in custody, nobody blaming responsibility, no word on any potential motive. apparently no suspects. in moore county this weekend it was two different substations. at and disabled by gunfire within about 45 minutes of each other on saturday night. now, the sheriff tonight was asked if those attacks were simultaneously or if they were sequential. if they were simultaneously -- if could be one perpetrator driving to one and then driving

to another. that's supposition based on the facts that we've been given. as for the motive, there has been a lot of speculation both nationally and locally since he learned that this happened. we learned that this was a deliberately inflicted attack. but honestly, bottom line we really do not know. at the first press conference yesterday where the sheriff and local officials took the first questions about what had happened, they were immediately asked and then asked repeatedly whether this attack on the electrical infrastructure in north carolina might be related to threats and intimidation that have been directed at local lgbtq groups in moore county recently. and in particular at a drag show at a downtown venue in the town of southern pines, a show that started just minutes before the

power stations were shot up and the lights went out. they were far right, anti-gay, anti-trans protesters trying to shut down that moore county event on saturday, just hours before the power stations were shot up. this followed another similar protest by masked far-right paramilitary groups, including the proud boys, at an lgbtq event last month in nearby sanford, north carolina, which is only about a half an hour away from moore county. vice news points out today that this was all weekend of menacing anti-gay, anti-trans protests in multiple places around the country, including columbus, ohio, where honestly it looked like a gun show on the street outside one gay and trans-friendly event with them screaming at people and a white supremacist group showing up in formation. white lives matter guys doing hitler salutes. random guys with no affiliation showing up in random camouflage

style outfits with assault rifles. that was columbus, ohio, this weekend. lakeland, florida, had neo-nazis outside a queer event flying a big swastika flag. neo-nazi holocaust survivors showed up this weekend as well. so when moore county, north carolina, was host this saturday to another one of these far right anti-gay, anti-trans protests and then just as a local drag show that they were protesting started up, someone shot up the power stations and cut power to the whole county. yes, understandably people locally immediately started asking the sheriff if that was the reason why, if there was a connection. now, the sheriff has said repeatedly that he has no idea if the attack on the power stations is linked to those anti-gay, anti-transprotests. there really is no indication either way. the sheriff says he has no idea

about a motive of any kind. no suspects, nobody claiming any responsibility, no one in custody. we've got a u.s. senate runoff tomorrow in georgia, which will determine a lot about who's in control in washington over the next two years. we are awaiting an imminent jury verdict in the criminal trial of the business of the former president, who himself says he is running for president again and who said this weekend that we should get rid of the united states constitution. in his words he said we should terminate the constitution and just reinstall him in power without it. we've got all of europe as of today banning oil from russia. we've got a red-pilled sophomoric billionaire inviting the world's leading neo-nazis back onto social media platforms that kicked them off years ago for inciting violence. we've got the incoming republican speaker of the house saying republicans will defund the whole u.s. military if u.s. troops still have to get their vaccinations in order to serve. which is something they have had to do for decades.

we've got a lot to deal with as a country right now. but on top of all of it, we've got another incident of this very low tech, very high impact infrastructure sabotage. somebody shooting a high-powered rifle into electrical substations in north carolina. it's happened before. tonight it's happened again. and tonight tens of thousands of our fellow americans are shivering in the dark in north carolina on purpose for reasons unknown. joining us now is msnbc correspondent antonio holmes who joins us from north carolina. she is in chapel hill tonight, about an hour away from where these incidents happened. she's there to avoid breaking the curfew in moore county implemented by local authorities.

thanks for being here tonight. >> reporter: good to see you, rachel. thanks for having me. >> so first let me just ask you if that was a fair characterization of what we understand about how things are going thus far in moore county? let me just ask you if i got anything wrong there or if our understanding and your reporting has advanced the story any more in terms of what happened and what authorities think might have been behind it? >> reporter: no, rachel, i think most of that was spot on. the only thing i would add is a description of how strange it is in moore county right now. to just bring you into the scene there, first, it's pitch black dark there. everyone has to be off the road by 9:00 p.m. school is closed so kids are home with their families. this is a community with a lot of elderly people. people in some cases who depend on things like oxygen so they were plunged in a matter of minutes into chaos and that chaos is going to stretch from saturday night, now it's looking like until thursday.

i spoke to a spokesman at duke energy and he said the vast majority of people won't get their power back until then. it's not just the darkness and being cold at night, it also means for a lot of people you're not having any running water so you're not going to get a shower until thursday. people are struggling to find food. you can't really find an open gas station. you have to leave the county to get most of your resources right now. and so it kind of has this ghost town feeling to it. all of the local anxiety that comes with all of that. and so for me there was the realization, i guess, that a random actor or set of actors could in just a short amount of time plunge an entire community,

its school system, its infrastructure, its resources into this kind of chaos and that that chaos can last for days. >> in terms of these random actors, again, we have no idea who did this, we have no idea of motivation. do we know anything further, anything beyond what we learned in the immediate aftermath of the attack about how this was carried out? i know they have said it was two substations. it's my understanding these are substations that were about ten miles apart. i've seen some reporting that it wasn't a simultaneous attack, it was a subsequent attack, although the sheriff is refusing to comment on that detail tonight. we also know authorities have described those substations being knocked out by gunfire and then there being a cascading effect down the line that knocked out power so much more widely. is that still our understanding? do we know anything further about how the attack was carried out? >> reporter: yeah, you know, part of what's been frustrating for reporters here on the ground, rachel, as we try to get some more of those details, we keep getting rebuffed. so here's what we do know. we know that these two substations were attacked by gunfire. that also a fence was broken down in the process. and every time we ask follow-up questions, officials use some of the very same words over and over again. they use words like scary and dangerous.

they also use the word intentional. and they specifically consistently use the phrasing that this person knew what they were doing. and when i asked the sheriff and also the governor of north carolina today at a press conference what does the word intentional mean? are you saying that this person perhaps has worked at one of these sites and really know what a substation is? let's be honest, most people would barely know what a substation is or be able to find their way around one. they just repeat those same phrases over and over again. for me what i took from that and what all the reporters gathering on the ground take from that, for example, is this isn't a bunch of teenagers pulling off a prank randomly one night. this is someone who knew what they were doing and everything that comes with that. they knew the consequences. they knew what they were plunging this community into when they took those actions saturday night. >> in terms of a potential motive, obviously the bottom line is we do not know the motive and authorities have been very clear about that. i was struck. i saw the headlines about this over the weekend but i didn't go back and watch the raw footage of the initial press conference when we were prepping for today's press conference where they followed up.

i was struck by the fact that when they initially announced this attack and what they knew about it, local authorities were instantly, first question, asked about whether there's any question to attacks on the local lgbtq community. local residents sort of confronting local officials saying we think that's what this is about. there's been these protests outside this drag performance on saturday night. that performance was saturday night at 7:00, right around the time this happened. folks who live in moore county are raising this repeatedly as if they are quipsed there is some connection. but i just have to ask you, is that people just wondering? is there any substantive reason to suspect a connection? >> reporter: right now we don't have any facts about the motive, about the suspects. they don't even have suspects, you know, named in this case. i don't want to diminish the concerns that community is raising here. lgbtq people are reflecting real anxieties they're having right now. here's what we do know. in the days leading up to

saturday night, it wasn't just that day, the protests in the minutes before 7:00 p.m. came, it was in the days leading up to this. people were posting horrible, unfounded stuff on social media. the performers, the people in that community planning to attend that event were becoming frightened by a lot of the rhetoric coming not just from random people on the internet, but people connected to positions of leadership in this community. so the frustration as a reporter here is that we really just don't have the answers yet and we have to be careful about drawing any of those connections because they're not there at this time. but certainly people who are living here are making the connections with all of the patterns that you described just minutes ago as they are themselves as performers or just attending these events trying to support lgbtq people living here, they're seeing what's happening in north carolina and across this country as right wing activists target lgbtq people and the community spaces they try to bring together and

they're feeling that. so i think it's very much their right and they should be asking those questions. reporters should be requesting those questions too. right now it seems like authorities truly have no idea who's done this. they're asking people to call a tip line to help them out right now. and we're hoping we find out more in the coming days but that connection just isn't there for us yet. >> we'll need to find out more and they need to get the lights on and water flowing in moore county. antonia hylton in chapel hill, north carolina, tonight, thank you for that really, really good, spot on and nuanced reporting. it's good to have you here. thank you. we've got much more ahead here tonight, stay with us. .

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reportedly investigating trump over his hush money payments to stormy daniels during the 2016 campaign and the d.a.'s office is also apparently investigating potential criminal matters involving whether trump committed bank fraud, insurance fraud or tax fraud in the course of his family business. joining us now is a former assistant district attorney in the new york d.a.'s office and is a professor at new york law school. thank you for being here. >> thank you for having me. >> d.a.'s office or a.g.'s office? >> d.a.'s office. >> aside from the fact we call them by their initials, tell me about what it means to have somebody with that kind of experience in the new york attorney general's office coming into the d.a.'s office. people watching from outside new york don't necessarily know the difference between these offices. >> right, right, right. the d.a.'s office is primarily a prosecutorial office.

it does criminal cases and the attorney general in new york primarily has responsibility for civil cases. it has some jurisdiction over criminal cases but less so. so the fact that he's coming over here probably does mean it's not because of his experience prosecuting cases, it's because of his experience supervising important major investigations, and particularly this investigation into the former president. >> and i think we generally think of civil cases, those of us who aren't lawyers, tend to think of civil cases as citizen a suing citizen b. in the case of the cases brought by the new york attorney general's office, one was covered closely in the press including here on the show which was trump operating what was alleged to be essentially a fake charity using this trump foundation, which is supposed to be a charitable instrument to instead put money into his own pockets and do political favors for himself. the result of that lawsuit was the shutdown of the trump foundation which tells you what kind of teeth there can be in these civil cases. matthew colangelo was the lead attorney on that. >> right. instead of somebody being somebody else because that person was hurt, suffered some type of damages, instead it's like the public suffered damages

so there's a civil case brought on the public's behalf. that's what the attorney general is doing. >> so in this case, as you said, them bringing him on as a senior counsel, they gave an exclusive to "the new york times," put a press release out there, obviously wanting people to know this is happening. they're not naming him as a person working on trump things. but because he doesn't have experience in the past as a criminal prosecutor, it is his expertise related to trump that he sort of brings with him as his baggage into this, the reason presumably they brought him onboard. should we surmise from that that some of the facts and some of the understanding that he garnered during the civil investigations will now result in criminal charges being brought against trump on related matters? >> i think it's an exaggeration from this we can read there will necessarily be some kind of indictment involving the same facts as were involved in those civil cases. but i think we can draw a conclusion that these cases and

investigations are extensive and ongoing and that itself is significant because there was some question back when several prosecutors left the office about whether in fact that was true. i think we can now pretty much say to ourselves, okay, these investigations are going on and they probably don't have to do with some small issue that can be resolved by the issue itself but rather are extensive and complex. >> i just did this podcast where i talked in part and did a lot of time researching how the justice department in the 1940s dealt with sedition charges against a bunch of people up to crazy stuff during world war ii. one of the disturbing things i realized is that the justice department is less good than it

thinks it is at resisting political pressure. that when people with a lot of political power get into the sights of prosecutors, political pressure gets brought to bear against individual prosecutors and the department as a whole in a way that more often than the justice department would like to admit results in people either escaping being charged altogether or prosecutors being fired or cases being unduly limited and that's upsetting, but i feel like we should also we honest about it. i did that podcast because i want to talk about it more honestly than we have. what is your feeling about the new york d.a.'s office and political pressure? >> you know, i think all prosecutors, as you say, are subject to certain political pressures.

i think that that's unavoidable and it's particularly unavoidable when you're an elected official. i think it's very hard to fly under the radar when you have a constituency upset about you. there are high-profile cases that have a greater weight than all of the things you were doing, that nobody even notices that you are doing in the office, so of course. but what we want is to minimize the political impact. there are various different -- and i'm sure you know this because of your investigation, but there are various different structural ways that you do that. fundamentally we rely on the character of prosecutors to be our backstop. i think people get upset and frustrated about that, but there just really isn't that much of a better way of doing it. it's imperfect -- >> but the power and weight and inertia of political pressure, you do have to build fire walls and protect your prosecutors and

your processes. >> right. we should be much more worried about prosecutors under political pressure not going against a political opponent because that's much more concerning but both of them are not ideal. >> rebecca, former assistant district attorney in the manhattan d.a.'s office, now professor at new york law school, it's a pleasure to have you here. i'm glad we were able to coordinate our outfits. oh, it'st little people inside! and a snowglobe. oh, i wished i lived in there. you know i can't believe you lost another kevin. it's a holiday tradition! that it is! earn big time with chase freedom unlimited. ♪

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