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good to be with you. i'm katy tur. voters are voting in georgia and in a matter of hours, we could find out the final breakdown of the senate. we're going to get into election day and how the gop ended up with herschel walker in just a moment, but first, we have news we want to get to from capitol hill. the january 6 committee is considering criminal referrals to the doj. >> we have not made a decision as to who, but we have made decisions that criminal referrals will happen. i wish i could tell you one, two, three, four, but all that's still being discussed.

>> so bennie thompson is not saying that much. who might be at risk beyond former president trump and does the doj want these referrals, we'll explain why jack smith might not in a moment, but on the subject of the special counsel, nbc news has just confirmed with "the washington post" first reported according to multiple county officials that jack smith has subpoenaed local officials in arizona, michigan, and wisconsin for any and all communications with trump, his campaign, and a long list of aides and allies. it was a milwaukee clerk who confirmed it had subpoena there and provided the copy to the post. we'll also get into what that tells us what these specific subpoenas tell us about that investigation along with what should have been a touching moment in washington. today, the police officers who responded to january 6th were awarded congress' highest honor, yet michael fanone says he was heckled by members of his own

squad as he accepted the award. what happened with him? and what other officers did when mitch mcconnell and kevin mccarthy tried to shake their hands. let us dive in. joining me now is garrett haake and jake sherman and "washington post" national reporter and msnbc contributor, carol lehning. garrett, i want to begin with you. bennie thompson said referrals multiple times. is it wrong to read in there might be more than one person getting a criminal referral? >> i think that's a reasonable thing to assume here. this sort of running series of media encounters with thompson today has only served to increase confusion about what the community is up to here. he has in multiple instances been talking to reporters so the committee has decided they will engage in some type of criminal

referrals to have the committee stand back and say it's the kind of thing they have to vote on, that they're still discussing. thompson saying it is decided, thest just more of a question about who and how many folks might be the subject of a referral. i'm not going to stand here and speculate about who might be the target here, but we know there's kind of two broad buckets of things they're looking at here. this committee has started operating under the premise that it was donald trump who was responsible for this attack. every subsequent hearing they've held has only further confirmed that thinking as they've progressed. liz cheney quoting federal statute and code from the bench, suggesting that she thinks at least that he's criminally responsible and of course, there's a subpoena that they put out to him at the last hearing to which he's not responded. so there's the trump bucket of this then the possibility of what you might call process crimes. various people who might have lied under oath, failed to respond to subpoena could conceivably held in contempt. i think those are the broad bucket, but the committee is

meeting again today to further this discussion and perhaps we'll get a more complete answer from them in the not too distnt future on how they want to move forward. >> carol, talk to me about what the doj might or might not want with this? would the doj be welcome to get these referrals? does this complicate things or make it easier? >> well, i think it's complicated because and you're right to ask the question, katy. the january 6th committee, that investigative team has been a standout among congressional investigations. at least in my time covering washington and capitol hill and the department of justice. here's another exceptional thing. they found a lot of information and they were way ahead of the department of justice on some key moments. some key findings. the january 6 committee, a group of congressional staffers along with often former department of justice investigators, uncovered

a lot of material about how trump and some of his aides were coordinating on the levers they were pushing to try to claim the election was fraudulent. to try to pressure vice president pence not to do his constitutional duty and certify the election. to try to embroil the department of justice itself in claiming falsely that the election was problematic and fraudulent and rigged and therefore interfere in some way in the results being certified. all of that coordination or i shouldn't say all, much of the evidence we know about coordination came from the congressional committee first. it's a little bit of a comedown for the department of justice to have been learning these things from the committee and because the committee has a political motive, you can't separate -- from politics, right. they have a political goal along with their factual goal and the

department of justice is almost allergic to the point of hives from head to toe to any notion that would be persuaded or pushed or compelled by a political body. so receiving these referrals, i think if they do, the department of justice will sniff at them publicly and privately. go ahead. >> so i'm wondering, so they might no be happy with it, but what about if you're taking out of january 6 and you're talking about some of the contempt of congress issues. subpoenas were handed out to a number of lawmakers, jake sherman, as you and i have talked about multiple times and they didn't show up, like kevin mccarthy. could we see that sort of contempt referral sent to doj, a criminal contempt referral? could that be what thompson's

talking about? >> i don't think so and i'll defer to carol on this because she's the expert on this. i think it will be very difficult for the committee to convince the department of justice they should take action in a dispute between legislators and the legislate legislative b. this is the only logical conclusion from this committee. there was no other one. this is the only thing that we should have all expected from the beginning. liz cheney has been laying the groundwork for a criminal charge against donald trump now for months. since the committee was created. they could not get out of a democratic controlled washington without suggesting the department of justice should take some criminal action against the person they've been laying the groundwork against for all these months. so i don't think we should be surprised here. anything short of this would

have been a massive disappointment for the people who are fans of liz cheney or following liz cheney or people watching this committee and have been persuaded. not by anybody else, but by this committee, that all these people broke laws. so i don't think there was any way for this to end besides some sort of criminal referral. >> we'll see what happens with that. what about jack smith and the subpoenas to these county officials and these key places where donald trump or people around him tried to pressure local officials, county official, to overturn the results of the election. what does this signal, carol? >> if people are always saying he's not going to let my moss grow under him, this is proof positive that he's not. he's asking for all of this information that specifically seeks in i communications these key county officials received

from trump lawyers, trump aides. a list of more than two dozen of those people including everyone from rudy giuliani, jeff eastman, jeff clark, who were essentially hench men and puppeteers of donald trump's in the effort to try to block the election results from being certified. so to ask for those communications with trump or very specifically, he's going right into the hornet's nest and doing it rather quickly after being named. i also think it's pretty important that rather i would second what jake said. i don't think contempt is what's going to be referred here. i think you will likely see referrals that have to do with obstruction of a government proceeding and i agree that multiple is the more likely thing. even though trump is the target in a sense of this committee and all of its work, there were other people assisting other

people for whom the committee gathered evidence and that's really important, too. >> all right. again, we're going to watch out for that. let's talk about what happened today on capitol hill. the honors for the capitol hill police officers. the ones that responded to january 6th. garrett, why was officer fanone booed by other police officers? >> i think that's an issue more inside the department than anything else. i did not have a chance to talk to officer fanone, but he's been very outspoken ever since that day. this has always been some of the tension between the officers and how this moment has been covered. all of us have covered crime and police departments at some point in our career, and the rank and file don't typically like the kind of spotlight that fanone found himself in and he and some of the officers who were more frequently quoted on camera and more frequently on the outside of the department, i think it may be related to that, but this

feels like an internal npd issue spill out into the public eye. >> what about brian, first of all, other officers refusing to shake the hands of mcconnell and mccarthy and sicknick's family refusing. we have a little sound from his brother explaining that decision. >> unlike liz cheney, they have no idea what integrity is. they can't stand up for what's right and wrong. >> jake, explain. >> well, i think the big qualm here is that mccarthy and mcconnell both did not support the impeachment of donald trump after the january 6th attack. mccarthy immediately after january 6th went down to mar-a-lago to be with donald trump and has embraced donald trump as leader of the party. there's the difference between mcconnell and mccarthy, of course. mcconnell has called on trump on

multiple occasions, not to the extent some would like, but there's a big delineation here between them on the issue of donald trump and the issue of january 6th. i would say some of the folks who. >> it is striking video to see. garrett and jake and carol, thank you very much for starting us off. my brain will start catching up with my mouth. thank you, guys. and joining me now is former federal prosecutor, paul butler. paul, thanks for being here. let's talk about jack smith and the investigation or the subpoenas to these county

officials. if you were working for him now, what would you be doing? >> i'd be following orders because the special counsel has hit the ground running. these new subpoenas are about whether the trump campaign tried to get local election officials to interfere with the vote. so these subpoenas went to officials in state that is the trump campaign had targeted for the big lie that the election was rigged and we know that rudy giuliani met with maricopa county officials and trump himself twice called one of them around the same time that he was urging georgia officials to find them enough votes to make them the winner in that state. >> all right. do you have an idea? does it tell you anything about where they are in this investigation? i mean, do you think that it's going to, there's going to be results? the closer we get to the meat of

the campaign trial, it starts to get up and running next summer, next fall even. are they going to drag this investigation out that far? >> i don't think there's a whole lot of dragging they could do. if they get the referral from the house, they will have a roadmap to prosecuting donald trump and possibly others for not only the blood and violence of january 6th, but also the fake elector scheme. the mar-a-lago documents case might be the easiest prosecution for the justice department, but these new developments suggest that january 6th remains actively under investigation. especially the fake electors scheme. >> all right. paul, thanks so much. and how did the gop end up with herschel walker on this election day? plus, what public records reveal about who was footing the bill for key witnesses in the mar-a-lago classified documents case and what it might do to their testimony. also, explosions in russia. what drone strikes a a key air

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warnock has the momentum and if he pulls it off, it will leave republicans searching for answers on what went wrong for them and why they ended up with herschel walker in the contest.

how did walker get to this point? you'll have to go back to the 1980s when walker played for the short lived u.s. football league on a tome owned by donald trump. their relationship lasted longer than the league did and when donald trump ran for the white house in 2016, walker was a supporter. he even got a position in the trump administration of sorts. co-chair of the sports and fitness council. then in 2020, walker backed trump on camera at the republican national convention. in return, trump publicly and privately urged walker to throw his own hat into the political arena, which he did. filing paperwork in august 2021 to run for the u.s. senate in georgia. walker entered a crowded primary field, a six-way race against a string of lifelong republicans including a veteran, a former state rep, and even an ex-trump administration official, but only walker had trump's official

backing. something that mattered in the primary. still, walker wasn't taking all that seriously. yes, he had unmatched name recognition and the former president's endorsement, but he didn't exactly have a plan. he was an ex-football player with zero political experience and a dark cloud of controversies already surrounding him. so that might explain why a dime was not spent on any anti-walker ads by any of his opponents for months, which was a mistake as a fan favorite with all that name recognition and donald trump behind him, walker surged in the polls. so by the time superpacks began dropping millions against him, bringing up the allegations of domestic abuse and dodgey business dealings, it was too late. on primary night, he won 70% of the vote and didn't appear in a single debate. also by that time thanks in part

to a last minute gop ad blitz against walker, the democrats had a roadmap for how they thought they could beat him. the question is, will they. joining me from atlanta is vaughn hillyard. we've been talking about this race non-stop for a while now. and it seems like we're going to get results hopefully tonight. what are you hearing today? >> reporter: we could know the winner tonight depending on the turnout. let me be frank about what we're seeing at this dekalb county location. there's hardly anybody here. to give you an idea, this is a county that voted for warnock with 84% of the vote just a month ago and the folks we're talking to here say that's because everybody came and early voted. we were just down the road in a fulton county location and the same reality was playing out there. i want to let you hear though, because there are some democrats that are still coming out here and i want to let you meet one

of them. take a listen. >> i could have came early, but like, when i came to vote on the 8th, like, i came here because it's right down the street from my house so i just walked down, voted, quick and easy and done. doing the same today in between world cup soccer games. >> did you need any encouraging to vote today? or you were definitely going to come vote? >> i was going to vote. my mom said you've got to go vote. vote now. 7:00 a.m. i'll go vote. i'm going to do it, but just on my own time. >> reporter: you were seeing across the greater fulton county area, dekalb county, not long lines here. democrats were trying to turn out those voters who had yet to turn out, but the bigger question we're waiting to get more on is what is happening in some of the more conservative counties outside of the metropolitan atlanta area here because it is a necessity for walker after democrats from the

data that we have, they were able to cushion a lead coming into today. and so the big question is was walker able to convince conservatives to get out and vote on this tuesday, that is what we are waiting to get a little bit better understanding of at this hour. >> that is true. dekalb is a more liberal county. more democratic leaning county. so the more rural counties will be interesting. thank you very much. and joining me now, latasha brown. seeing turnout so low, what does that say to you? does it make your nervous or are you leaning on the early voting turnout? >> i think there's a number of things. one, i believe the early voting turnout is going to make the difference and set the cushion. it was very intentional from organizations and groups like mine to come out and vote early. we didn't want to take a chance.

particularly since the passage of the voting rights, what we call the voter suppression bill passed after the senate race by the legislature in georgia. what it did is it truncated the period we had for early voting. so normally, last election, we had eight weeks. that's gone from eight weeks to four weeks. so there was a lot of effort and energy to make sure that people did not take for granted they had the same period of time to vote. so there was a lot of people that voted early. so we think that's an indicator of that. secondly, there has been a steady flow. while there has not be the same kinds of lines we've seen throughout the early voting period, there's been a steady flow. we've been to several voting sites throughout the county and you don't see the visuals the same way because it's just a steady flow and trickle of voters coming in, but it has been steady. and -- out of this, there's a big cushion i think the democrats had in the early

voting period and i think we're going to see that play itself out. >> let me ask you about something i read from adrian, the executive director to have black pack and just noting that no matter who wins today will be historic for georgia. a black senator voted to a six-year term. here's how she put walker's candidacy. it insults the intelligence of black people when you can just serve any old person up and black people will vote for them because they're black. when you think about the multiple stereotypes walker represents, that tells you what republicans think black people are and what they will accept in terms of political leadership. do you think the republicans missed an opportunity by nominating someone like walker? >> oh, absolutely. matter of fact, i think it's extremely insulting. this is a candidate that literally a term that had been used as a racial slur throughout

the '60s. some may recall that dr. king, it was intentional races were calling him dr. martin luther coon, that it has been a derogatory term used against african americans. at his rally said that being called a coon, not only did that not bother him, but he was a country boy and it was the smartest animal. so for him to actually attach himself to a term that's been so negative, that's created a bad taste in the mouth of many voters, but particularly african american voters. the fact he doesn't live in georgia, donald trump picked him up out of texas, brought him here and by his own account, he's been living in texas, not in georgia and is not a resident of georgia. all those things come to play when we've talked to voters today. >> i didn't even know he brought up that word. thanks for joining us. appreciate your time.

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former president trump donald trump save america pack is footing the legal bills for a number of witnesses in the mar-a-lago investigation. "the washington post" reports that kash patel and walt nata are represented by brand woodward law, which has been paid more than $120,000 according to public records. patel and nouta could be key witnesses. patel was chief of staff of the pentagon and nouta is a former military valet. "the washington post" citing multiple sources that nouta said trump instructed him to move boxes at mar-a-lago. josh, explain this reporting. >> hi. yes, so what we've reported is that the former president pack, his political group, is funding the legal defenses from both of these witnesses who are viewed at key witnesses by the

department of justices. kash patel who has said the former president declassified some documents but has gone to the grand jury at least in the beginning and pleaded the fifth amendment later came back and appeared before and answered questions. and walt, the former president's valet in the white house and went with him to mar-a-lago and who the video camera evidence showed that we reported, he moved boxes in the summer at the former president's instruction. at least according to his account. so these are two key witnesses that doj needs in a lot of ways in this case and the former president's pack is paying for his defense. they're also paying for a number of different witnesses. the group has raised all this money and hasn't spent it on candidates, on campaigns.

they have of course some spin on that, but not a lot compared to what a lot of republicans want them to do. they've spent about $10 million on legal fees and they have $70 million or so in the bank. so the former president's clearly using this account as a defense for him against these various investigations. >> are there rules against that or can they use that money at will? >> the pack rules are liberal in personal use. the former president's used it for all sorts of things. even melania has used it on designers. i want to remind you and the viewers that the pack is under investigation for its fund raising practices, but they have a large amount of money and a lot of it can be used for what are the former president wants to use it for. >> what have legal experts told you about why it may be concerning or why it might concern them that his pack would pay for legal fees of two of these witnesses? >> well, we don't know that's

happening in this case. but the concern is that they would be less likely to cooperate than they would be less likely to answer questions. obviously, the former president is paying for your lawyers as incentive to you. you know, both of these folks have stayed around him. have stayed in his good graces and yet are viewed as really key witnesses by the department of justice. i think the nub of it is that a lot of these folks former president wants to keep close in the department of justice also is very determined to have their cooperation. >> and kash patel is set for a grand jury. what does kash patel have in terms of knowledge? you talk about nouta and moving the boxes, what is the value? >> the value is that patel made a lot of public statements of interest to the doj about why the former president wanted some of those documents. in one interview with breitbart, made a lot of comments that were

quite interesting to the doj about what he kept and why and also, kash patel has said publicly the former president has declassified some of these former documents and that's something they're skeptical about. they've talked to a number of employees who haven't heard him do any declassification like that. they're trying to understand what the former president's defense would be for why he did what he did and to understand that, they believe you need to talk to kash patel among others. >> thanks as always for your reporting. still ahead, what do president biden, arizona, and china have in common? we're going to explain. first though, explosions in russia. what happened and what it means for both putin and for ukraine. for both putin and for ukraine vicks vapostick.

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showed a large fire with smoke trailing for miles. similar explosions rocked two other bases on monday killing three military personnel and injurying four others. ukraine has not taken responsibility for the attacks. joining me now from kyiv is nbc's ellison barber. what is the latest? >> reporter: these strikes are really interesting because they appear to be very significant. ukraine, they're not explicitly claiming responsibility for the attacks, but in terms of the first two you mentioned yesterday morning, very far deep into russian territory, russia says those were carried by ukrainian forces and that they used soviet drones to carry out these attacks. those are particularly significant. the one that happened this morning inside russian territory is as well, but you see the one that happened this morning is closer to the ukrainian border.

the other two airfields from yesterday morning, those are 300 plus miles beyond the ukrainian border and what it suggests, if ukraine did carry out these strikes, which seems likely, it suggests a couple of things. one, that ukraine is seemingly willing to now take this fight more directly to russia and to their military bases and it also appears to suggest that they are becoming more effective at using weapons to attack russia at a greater distance. you think about the conversations we've heard around military aid provided to ukraine. western allies, nato in particular, they've been really hesitant to provide ukraine with more long range missiles, weapon systems, in part because they worry if they were to do that, it could drag nato into this conflict, but ukraine, they have repeatedly asked for more long range missiles because they want to achieve quite a few things here. one, they want to win the war and not just hold russian forces

where they are, but push them out of ukrainian territory and reestablish the borders they have had here since 1991. they also want to stop these large scale missile attacks that we've seen and to do that, the argument has been that they need to have the capability to target the source of the attacks. the bases where they're coming from. not just intercept them once they've already made it into ukrainian air space. what those two drone strikes, particularly yesterday at those airfields, previous attacks they have launched missiles from those bases. it appears ukraine is making an effort to stop those attacks at the source and not only appearing to make an effort, but seeming to have been somewhat successful doing it without western weapons, right? russia's ministry of defense is saying the drones used here were soviet drones. ukraine still wants more from the west. they want systems that have been developed in the united states that can fire things that far, but so far, that's not something

the u.s. or other allies have been willing to give them. but this is significant from a military standpoint, potential shift point, if you will, where we're seeing ukrainian forces appear to be attacking russia much further into russian territory versus just intercepted them once the missiles, artillery is already in ukrainian air space. >> thank you very much. and joining me now is former u.s. ambassador to russia, michael mcfall. it's been a long time. thank you for joining us today. i was curious after learning about these air strikes, two things and i thought there's no one better to ask this right now. one, what is the reaction to these explosions within russia and then two what does it mean for putin's grip on power there? >> well, with respect to your first question, we need to break it down. the russian government and russian society, right? the russian government is claiming that these are terrorist attacks.

and you know, saying they're illegal et cetera. what i see, is that this means that russians, russian citizens in those cities, are seeing they are being attacked and they are not defended by the russian government and that is going to, i believe, over time, generate more questions about why are they fighting this war. you're already seeing that kind of sentiment grow in russia since the mobilization back in september. we have credible public opinion polls that are showing that. i think this will fuel even further doubts about why are they fighting this war. >> what about putin? >> i think zelenskyy, you know, it's been very difficult for the government of zelenskyy and his officials to fight this war with one hand tied behind their back. they have to wait and be attacked by putin and then they can't counterattack. i think this does signal a new level that they're willing and going to try to do so.

by the way, the counterintelligence that might be involved here is also something really interesting to watch. and that means that putin is not going to just be able to gut it out and wait it out until we disengage even if the west disengaged zelenskyy and his warriors are going to continue to fight. i hope that's a lesson putin takes from this attack. >> do you have a sense that the price cap that the eu is trying to or g7 countries are trying to impose on russian oil might have an effect, not to mention the ban on crude in europe? >> it's already had some even before it went into place. myself, i wish it would be $30 less than the one they decided on, but it's better than doing nothing and over time, sanctions will continue to constrain putin's efforts to fight this war. i hope it's not over year, but it's the right thing to do. i just wish we would do it more

and more comp hensley. >> andrea mitchell was talking about how paul whelan told administration officials from his prison camp in russia that the group has been recruiting soldiers from within russian jails. what do you make of that? >> well, it's true. it's crazy. i've seen the videos of it. it's absolutely, think about how strange that is, right? this vogner group is a private military organizations and they're going into prisons. i think that is a real sign of desperation. you don't do that if you're winning the war. you do that if you're losing the war. >> so how do you think this continues? do you see an end in sight? >> i'm not sure. i don't know. i know historically wars tend to end in two ways. either one side wins or there's a stalemate on the battlefield

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white. ben is also the host of politico money, the podcast. ben, i tease this with what do arizona, the president, and china have in common. so walk me through the through line. >> sure. well, there is a lot of things that they have in common. biden is obviously going to arizona for some political reasons, it is a swing state. will be a swing state in the next election. he's also looking to tout manufacturing, a big goal for the white house after we saw during the pandemic how vulnerable we were to the fact that the taiwanese make most of these 3 nano chips that go into our phones. and then the chinese question, the geopolitical question is, a., can we rely on a free taiwan, we want to have more manufacturing here and how much do we anger the chinese by a taiwanese making a big investment in the united states rather than there. and then you get into europe and how upset they are with us for

subsidizing semiconductor but that is a separate trade war and i don't know if you want to dig down that deep. >> well we did talk, excuse me, about that when macron was visiting the white house. i'm sorry, i've got this post nasal drip from my cold. so, in the 1980s, the u.s. was the leading chip maker in the world. what happened? why did we see that -- to taiwan? >> cheaper labor essentially. you know, we had a unionization and what not in the united states, not that the union trend was bad. but labor is more expensive in the u.s. and these are expensive to make. the taiwanese figured out how to make them in bulk, in massive numbers. thor u.s. production is dwarfed by what is made on a daily basis out of taiwan. and while we get the fastest technology from the second plant, the three nano tech, they're going to be working on two and one and keeping that in

taiwan. so it is not all transferring over to the u.s. but they just figured out how to do it cheaper and faster and at greater volume than we did and hence we're trying to catch up and subsidizing our own industries here. >> can we catch up? how far behind are we. >> into far behind. we can't catch up in the short-term. they have the technology to do something like 600,000 chips a day. we can't come anywhere close to that and we're not the same level of technology. we can't produce now as you said the chips that are needed for smartphones, for apple and others and that is why tim cook will be there today because the plants will get to cutting-edge by 2026, three nano technology. but it will eventually be behind. we're not catching up any time soon. but we need a domestic resource and emergency supply where if we have supply chain break downs and something happened in taiwan, we're not out to lunch and can't make any of this stuff. we have to make some of it. >> and apple and looking at the protests there and what is happening at their plants has issued and is looking to go to

other countries an they talked about india but that is complicated. thailand as well. not as with the space or capacity that china does. but what is china does end up invading taiwan and war does break out between those two places. how does that effect our cars, ore phones, the technology that we rely on? >> yeah. every geopolitical expert you talk to will say that the most dangerous place in the world is the taiwan strait and the biggest risk to everything is that type of conflict in which the u.s. would be drawn in to defend taiwan presumably from aggression. but we've seen a breakdown happen. it is not good and good for the u.s. it means higher inflation and production. but this is a long-term project to get us even close to domestic supply of the semiconductors we need just pay for that not to happen because we're not ready for it and it would destabilize the world. >> worth while long-term investment.

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