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point on the 2022 midterms reshaping the political landscape and delivering much-needed political breating room to senate democrats. >> after one year, ten months and 17 days of the longest 50/50 senate in history, 51, a slim majority. that is great. >> plus donald trump's family business convicted on tax fraud. the manhattan da telling reporters the trial exposed the lies, the greed and the cheat ing that characterized a decade-long criminal scheme. but what's the fallout for donald trump himself? and finally, the governor of north carolina will join me to discuss two stories with huge um implications. attack that cult power to hundreds of thousands of people along with the latest on the supreme court case that he says could, quote, up end democracy. we start with ra fall
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warnock's win in georgia. giving democrats the critical 51-49 edge in the senate and dealing a significant blow to donald trump. warnock's victory, his fifth in a row, could have huge implications for democrats. it means an outright majority in the senate no longer stymied by senators like senator sinema. it represents another loss for donald trump's hand-picked candidates. i want to bring in vaughn hillyard. ryan nobles joins me from capitol hill. jeff bennett is correspondent for the pbs news hour. and simone is host of "simone" here on msnbc. let's talk the big take away. both for the political landscape going forward, but also immediately for the democratic party.
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>> so i'll take the last question first. the biggest take away, and i would say the white house and the democratic senate, is the ability to have more control over committees. judges, something that this white house has prioritized. joe biden has put more black women on the federal bench than any other president in history. so considerable moving forward is the ability to continue to do that and grow upon that. there are real vacancies. i also think legislation, if there were 51 democratic senators instead of 50, build back better wouldn't be a talking point, it would be a reality. democrats awe cross the board as you talk about politics going forward, the coalition that they put together was bolstered by the infrastructure in the state. the organizers, the outside groups that came in and helped to work over the last ten years
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to build that infrastructure, now georgia is competitive. i don't think it's a blue state. it's definitely not blue. it's more like light red or pink. it's light. and that pink is going to car them through. it's why georgia is being talked about as one of the first five states in a democratic presidential primary. >> a new color. so ryan, you just heard what simone had to say. and look, give me what you're hearing on the hill. give me what you're hearing from chuck schumer. because what it gives them the ability to do ask ha they can realistically do, maybe two different things, how did they see this win? >> building on what simone said, it gives chuck schumer and senate democrats some breathing room. there were many times that simone's old boss, kamala harris had to be rushed up here to break a tie with a 50-50 senate. that's no longer going to be necessary. they can push through a lot of judicial nominees that joe biden would bring to them in rapid clip. it's going to make it easier to
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confirm cabinet appointments. but also what could end up happening in this new senate is really empower committees in a way that they are unable to be empowered right now because all the committees are 50/50. that means giving democrat subpoena power to look into investigations on a number of levels that they don't currently have the ability to do. so there's a big difference between a 51-49 senate and a 50-50 senate. democrats still control the way this legislation makes its way through the senate, but it just gives them breathing room they didn't previously have. it will make it a lot easier for them to tuck off a lot of things on the biden agenda that are important. it doesn't eliminate the problem of the republicans being in control of the house, which is going to stymie a lot of things, but there's no doubt that chuck schumer will have more flexibility now than he did the previous two years. >> and to suh moan's point of this being a pink state, i want to read what "the new york
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times" wrote. georgia with its storied history booming suburbs like march yet ta, is now officially contested ground, joining a narrow set of states that will select the next president. before yesterday t did seem like an open question whether georgia would be a true battleground going forward. how would you answer that question and how do the folks you're talking to in georgia answer that question? >> reporter: there's a reality among republicans. if you look at kolb county, which is that county around march yet ta, just a decade ago, mitt romney won yesterday. in the struggle the issue for republicans is the points in which voters trends become more than a trend but become consistent. and now for multiple election cycles in a row, georgia republicans and conservative independents have shown a
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willingness to switch and vote far democrat. and in the case of warnock, he laughed every time he said it on the campaign trail. but i'm asking you to vote for me one more time. guess what, a couple years, john is going to be asking those republican voters and conservative independents to vote one more time for him. and that's the question that republicans have to wrestle with here. because brian kemp won by 8%, as suggested, most folks would still believe this to be a conservative state. but the republican party today isn't a necessarily conservative in the way we have viewed it over the last 20 years. that's where the republican party has to reconcile how they want to proceed here. because the republican party of brian kemp is a different republican party than donald trump and herschel walker, which is really been predicated on faux outrage and issues like
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transgender individuals in women's sports that are intended to rile up a trump far right base of support here. that is not what is going to win georgia or allow republicans to win georgia back into its win column. and here last night, the greater met tan area proved what they proved two years ago. it's that they are willing to jump party lines and vote for a democrat. >> think we can look at this now as the bigger picture for republicans because if we add georgia to the other states that are widely considered to be battlegrounds looking at arizona, michigan, pennsylvania, wisconsin, trump lost all of them two years ago. the democrats have now won senate races in 4 of the 5 that held them. so what does this mean for republicans going forward? >> as you well know, time, money and energy are finite resources in politics. now this means that republicans have to spend more money in
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georgia because it's now competitive. essentially it siphoned money away from places like michigan and pennsylvania and nevada and arizona. it may soom like ancient history now, but donald trump won georgia deceasively in 2016. but ever since then, georgia has been losing political playing ground for him. you have voters rejecting his midterm candidates. you have his former friends and allies testifying about donald trump's efforts to overturn the 2020 election. so in many ways, donald trump needed herschel walker to win last night to reset the narrative that he's a drag on the republican party. that didn't happen. it's still too early to write off donald trump as the leader of the republican party. he has a magnetic grip on the grass roots.
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he has the support of the incoming house majority. but still if donald trump is unable to pull himself out of this downward political spiral that he's in, you can point to the results last night as being decisive. >> if i can go back to the results of that race, because i think both candidates had something or somethings really fascinating to say. i want to play more from warnock's speech. take a listen. >> am georgia. i am an example and an it ration of its history. of the possibility. but because this is america, because we always have a path to make our country greater against unspeakable odds, here we stand
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together. thank you, georgia. >> the whole speech. his speech was both a reminder of the deep racism and legacy in the south, but also hopeful and forward-looking. i wonder how you think he navigates that belief, that hopefulness of a more per spect union toward reality or is that unrealistic that he can? >> i don't think it's unrealistic at all. the way warnock won reelection was his campaign spoke to and targeted democratic voters and expanded. he ran up his number. he campaigned in places like cher see those are not democratic areas. you cannot get trounced in the rural parts of a state and win statewide. it does not work like that. you have to build a coalition. the thing that really struck me about what warnock said is he
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said i am georgia. i thought that was really important. in the aftermath of the midterm elections, we heard people saying he locked like people in pennsylvania like john fetterman. i went to school with people that looked like him. when we look at wisconsin, mahmoud dell la barns looks like people in wisconsin. of we have to be willing to talk about the fact that across this country, we do not have a lot of people of color elected statewide into governor's mansions, to senate races and we have to unpack why some people do not feel these candidates represent them. he is a son of georgia. he's just as georgia as jimmy carter. >> and we are out of time, but i really want want to et g to this because this is the latest loss for a trump-backed candidate. but even herschel walker himself seemed to take a shot at the
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former president last night. take a listen. >> i want to thank all of you as well. because we have had a tough journey. but one of the things i said is when they called the race, one of the things i want to tell all of you is you never stop dreaming. i don't want any of you to stop believing in america. i want you to believe in america and continue to believe in the constitution and believe in our elected officials. >> whatever else you say about this whole process, had conceded last night. republicans stuck by trump after he contributed to the loss in georgia two years ago. any reasons to think they are going to abandon him now, back to your point earlier? i'm not sure any of this has an impact on trump or does it? is there a cumulative effect? >> donald trump will be the head
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of the republican party so long as there's not a potential successor waiting in the wings. there's ron desantis or brian kemp, neither of them have been tested at the national level. it remains to be seen if either can connect to the republican base in the way that donald trump has. i thought it was particularly interesting in that clip his support there, his expressed support for constitution. the core of conseratiism is you never speak ill of the constitution. here you have donald trump just weeks after he hosted an antisemite saying the constitution should be slended so he could seize power once again. we'll have to see how long a leash the republican party will give donald trump in the weeks and months ahead. >> thank you. simone is going to stay with many pet. >> he applauded georgia voters for standing up for democracy. you want to bring in the senior adviser to the president for
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public engagement and the former mayor. in order if you thus i'm overreading this in a single state? do you see further implications? >> what i see is that elections actually matter. saw voters across the state of georgia showed up because they know what's at stake. we ubs in the state of georgia there are many important issues facing our coin country. and to speak on behalf of the people of georgia. and i thought about ll cool j, who was at the white house a few weeks ago along with shania twain and gloria estefan representing the diversity of america. ll cool j has a line in one of his songs that says don't call it a comeback, i've been here for years. i thought about our president. so many people counted out our president. president biden, the first
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president since fdr not to lose a single senate seat. in the midterms. so it all parties. i'm so proud of the state of georgia because often times we can take elections for granted, but as kro the state people showed up. and i was eeb proud to hear herschel walker last night pit grew up. he was a hero to so many of us what we heard from warnock and from herschel walker was really what we hoped to hear from people no matter the party affiliation when they run for office and when the election is over, we should all come together. last night was a really proud night for all of us. >> gracious in vukt ri and generous in depete. we spent a lot of time on this show talking about the rise in hate crimes, including cincinnati semitism. incidents hit ab all time high.
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the numbers this year are discouraging. so the first gentleman hosted a roundtable on the issue. i know you attended it it's important that we talk about these issues. but what can we do beyond that? what can the administration do beyond that? >> it was such an important gathering today with leaders from across the hear on what thr and to give feedback on what we can do to assist and eliminate this hate. it was at times a very emotional discussion. just hearing some of the exalts what people have experienced and how they are having to mobl liez in their respective communities. and so this is one of the stats. the second gentleman will not be silent on this issue of hate. and the administration has been very clear this is of utmost
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importance. and the conversation will continue. to make sure we're hearing from those communities that are experiencing this hatred and we have the tools we need to better respond and be better partners. >> what are those steps? we had on the head of the l.a. holocaust museum the other day. she said that they had a 90-year-old woman who was a holocaust survivor speak to them. she sees the same sins that she saw leading up to the holocaust. i'm wondering what very specific steps the administration is looking at. >> and unfortunately, we got that same feedback. it was very disheartening to hear. the administration has put funding in place to cobat this.
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also the president appointed someone to be a direct lead on what our response is. and we had the voice in the leadership of the second gentleman of the united states. the first jewish person in american history to serve in that capacity. so we are continuing to work with all of our agencies. we had our agencies represented here today along with ambassador rice, who you know heads our domestic policy council. we listened. and they are going to take steps to make sure we are not just responsive when there are incidents, but we are being thoughtful a about what our policy initiatives should be and how they can be improved to make sure we can stop violence before of it begins. we had a unity summit a couple months ago where we had people of all nationalities, races, religious affiliations in the
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white house to talk about hatred in our communities and how we can combat hatred in communities. so this is a very important gathering. again, just a part of what the administration is doing to make sure that we are bringing attention and we are being attentive to the challenges facing our communities. >> it's good to have you on the program. thank you so much. appreciate it. the trump organization found guilty in a 15-yearlong tax fraud scheme. what's it mean for the future of the company and trump's chances in 2024? plus a massive counterterrorism operation underway in germany. why it's now being called one of the biggest in that nation's history. and a high-stakes case over a dispute in north carolina now before the supreme court. why it could totally up end u.s. election laws. north carolina governor roy cooper is here ahead. you're watching "chris jansing reports," only on msnbc " snbc thankfully, we also have tide ultra-oxi with odor eliminators.
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was not charged in the case? one clue might be found in a recent hire made by the manhattan district attorney, who got the conviction in this case. he just brought in a veteran doj official with a history of taking on the former president. >> he's coming in to help us on a broad range of matters. >> it's not a trump thing? >> without committing exactly, a broad sweep. the focus in the last 24 hours has been almost exclusively on trump. >> let's bring in investigations correspondent tom winter.
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joyce vance, simone is back with us. so tom, trump wasn't on trial in this case. but the manhattan da is working on two other cases that do involve the former president, whether he ul legally inflated the value of assets and whether he made a hush money payment to ab adult film star who claimed she had an affair with him. could this conviction impact in any way the ongoing cases? >> with respect to the hush money payment, i'm waiting for somebody to tell me what is the violation of new york state law, which are the only charges they can bring as district attorney in regards to a federal election or federal campaign finance donation. i'm trying to figure out what that's about because as we know, michael cohen pleaded guilty to campaign finance charges and other charges tied to those payments. but that's a federal election. that was the presidential election. so outside of some sort of a charge, which is typically a misdemeanor charge, i'm not sure what that could be about.
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that would require the rest of the show to explain. i'm not sure the i'm the person to do it. the grand jury to the best of our reporting, stopped reporting back in march of this year. so there hasn't been a grand jury listening to evidence, at least based on public reports, and we haven't heard about any new concrete steps in the investigation for at least eight or nine months now. so there's no indication here that they have materially moved forward. there could certainly be things happening behind the scenes, but there's just not a sense to me that there's been actual investigative steps. i believe there have been discussions in a office. i just don't know what they are doing to move forward on any potential avenues. >> so much of trump's success has been around his brand and
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the fact that he always said he was a very successful businessman and had names on office buildings and parking lot buildings and so on. what could potentially be the impact as you see it on that actual business and his long-time cfo? >> people have have questions about why it makes sense to prosecute a corporation. after all, no one goes to prison when a corporation is convicted. the fines are relatively modest. i think you identify one of the reasons here. it calls out the fraud and in essence it devalues the brand if the prosecution results in a conviction. we don't know exactly what that impact looks like here. it's possible that there could be default on some of the trump organization's indebtedness,
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it's a complicated question that we won't know the answer to for some time. but certainly there's reputational damage that has suffered. it's one way of beginning to deal with someone who committed fraud. whether or not this might loosen the tongue of weisselberg and convince him to talk more about trump is also up in the air. up until this point, he's been very steadfast about restricting his ability to talk about trump personally, although he confessed to the crimes that led to the conviction of the corporation. i think we'll have to watch careful lu to see if he intends to move forward. >> does anybody else look at this and think it gives them anymore power in terms of people wanting to make a deal, in terms of just the knowledge that complicated cases like this can be won? >> i think there is a lot of value in that sense.
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when prosecutors take on people who were formidable opponents, people who have seen as tough long coated, in the way the former president has been, sometimes it's the first hit that you get that convinces people to cooperate, convinces people thoo that that person no longer has the power to damage them if they cooperate. so yes, there is a little bit of i'd say a moral value once you see something like this happen. it's certainly not the entire game though. >> so there's a lot of possibilities and it's all speculation. what other things might happen in terms of the other cases that are surrounding trump. what the impact might be on his business. i have heard everything from not very much to it's over. so somewhere between. but i do. wonder if there's a certain level of chaos that gives trump an out from 2024 or that republicans lock at and say,
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that's just too much. >> my question continues to be what is the line. i do think giving trump, -- no one asked him to run for president. he decided to jump into this race. there's a disconnect when we talk about republicans. we're talking about elected officials or the establishment republicans, and the grass roots and the people. i was in richmond over the holiday over thanksgiving. we went down to the waffle house. we end up talking about trump with all the folks in the section. i was outside -- the amount of
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people still with the former president that did not share the sentiment who said, oh, folks are willing to walk away from trump or doesn't have as tough a grip on the party was quite striking. to me, we have to make sure we're looking at the grass roots and the voters opposed to what folks in washington are doing. that's why most people have not called out donald trump directly. >> thank you. always great to have you on the program. there's new information about a striking new lawsuit surrounding the death of a black man fatally shotly police in grand ra miss. the allegations against the city and the officers involved, that's coming up. and the offirsce involved, that's coming up as an indepet financial advisor, i stand by these promises: i promise to be a careful steward of the things that matter to you most. i promise to bring you advice that fits your values. i promise our relationship will be one of trust and transparency. as a fiduciary, i promise to put your interests first, always. charles schwab is proud to support the independent
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second-degree murder, he will face trial. he's pleaded not guilty. what more can you tell us? >> we have medicine monitoring it closely. that's explaining the lawsuit. we have a copy to walk through for you. so this is his father was the man named on this. the now former police officer from grand rapids and the city as well. there are three accounts we can walk you through. violation one, count one is a violation of civil rights against the officer. count two is a violation of civil rights against the city of grand rapids. and then count three is a state law claim of gross negligence and that is against the officer. in the lawsuit new york city dollar amount is given. they want the jury to decide that. but if we can walk you through the timeline, this happened eight months ago on april 4th. when he was pulled over for an
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issue with his license plate. the officer gets out of the car, walks up to him, they have a discussion for about a minute and he starts to run. the officer follows. he goes down to the ground. they get back up. they are scuffling and put their hands on a taser. both hands are on the taser. it's fired twice. they go back down to the ground where they are fighting. then the officer fired that one shot into the back of the head. then on june 9th just about two months later, the officer involved was charged with second-degree murder. then just days later hefgs fired from the police department. the news conference is happening right now. benjamin crump spoke moments ago about what he has to say about that lawsuit. >> when you take driving while black plus excessive force, you end up with patrick being unjustly executed by this grand
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rapids police officer. and that is why we have to continue to speak the truth of power and file this wrongful death lawsuit. >> there's a criminal side to all of this. the lawyer has said he was defending himself. this news conference just happening. the lawsuit was just filed today. we are working to get comment from the attorney as well as the city of grand rapids. >> thank you for that update. appreciate it. 3,000 officers, 130 searches and 25 arrests. the chaotic scene unfolding in germany being called one of the biggest counterterrorism operations in that country's history. ountry's history. ...thanks to dupixent. dupixent is not for sudden breathing problems. it's an add-on treatment for specific types of moderate-to-severe asthma. and can help improve lung function for better breathing in as little as two weeks. dupixent helps prevent asthma attacks...
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6th insurrection and qanon. one of the biggest counterterrorism operations in that country's history led to those high profile suspects, including a nobleman with historic royal titles, and a veteran of the nation's armed porss. i want to bring in foreign correspondent claudia. the german prosecutors office said they belong to a terrorist group, which aims to install its own leaders through forcible elimination of the democratic constitutional state. what more with you tell us? >> reporter: that's right. the federal prosecutor in germany said that most of the people were arrested today belong either they are members or supporters of the movement in germany, which essentially doesn't believe in the legit ma us is of the federal government in germany because they say there are foreign powers behind it and they want to overthrow it. how do they want to do it? according to the prosecutor, they want to overthrow it with a
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violent coup using a small group. they wanted to replace it with some sort of self-ruled government also arrested. the ring leader for a terrorist group, the 71-year-old a rhys democrat. the house which used to rule in many parts of germany after the beginning of the 20th century. thousand he was arrested as well. the prosecutor said among those people there were also a small militia group. >> thank you so much. >> in the next two hours, high level cabinet secretaries including the director of national intelligence and the secretary of defense are expected to hold a classified briefing with all u.s. senators about what's going on in
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ukraine. that meeting comes hours after russian president vladimir putin told members of his government that the war in ukraine could be, quote, a long process i want colluding one just 125 miles south of moscow. it's escalating its attacks on ukraine's infrastructure. ellison barber is live for us from kyiv. what does that escalation from russia look like from the ground where you are? ? >>. >> reporter: as all of that is happening, we are learning more details about two attacks on villages that happened this evening. according to the deputy head of of the president's office, russian forces hit the central square of a city and the administration building there as well. he says that residents were in this square receiving humanitarian aid and claims russian forces fured cluster
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munitions, those are munitions that don't just explode and hit one target or one area when they explode. they release a bunch of sub commute move in additions that can cause a lot of additional civilian casualties, damage to infrastructure because they tend to be so indiscriminate. on top of that strike, there was another one this a different village in the same region. this one officials say it was attacked with multiple rocket launchers, a market, gas stations as well as residential buildings. ukrainian officials in this region say at least eight civilians are dead, five injured. these two attacks come on the heels of the other news you went through at the beginning. it also comes at a time when ukrainian citizens are trying to have a moment of celebration for the fact that their president and the spirit of ukraine was
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named "time" person of the year. we had a chance to talk to one of the people featured in the image. he was an esteemed chef and a full-scale invasion started in february. he immediately opened the doors of his restaurant giving thousands of tons of food out to members of the territorial defense. then he moved west to do the same for people fleeing russian attacks. he gave to thousands of people internally displaced. listen to what he told us about receiving that time. >> the spirlt is fighting spirit. because all the while we have to fight. it means recognition of what i'm doing. that gives me power to go next. not to stop. sometimes someone has to tell you you're doing good. >> you haven't to tell me erg.
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burr once you say i'm on the right way. >> reporter: life in ukraine is often full of contrast and we're seeing that now at the same timend' ukrainians are trying to celebrate what they consider to be a great honor getting this great honor. they are seeing more villages come under attack. more civil yans dying. >> ellison barber, thank you for that report. a high stakes case now before the supreme court with massive implications for u.s. democracy. and new information on those power grid attacks that left tens of thousands without power in north carolina. the governor there is here to talk both, next. e governor ther talk both, next. disappears in the dryer? downy in-wash scent boosters survive the washer & dryer for freshness that lasts 6 times longer than detergent alone. release freshness with every touch... with downy in-wash scent boosters.
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brought this case after a court tossed out the congressional maps calling them unlawful partisan gerrymanders. the governor of north carolina says the fringe claim before the court would upend democracy. the governor joins me now. thank you so much for being here. and shy also tell folks, you also served as attorney general, so i wonder from both perspectives, as a governor and a former attorney general, your insights into how you think this would impact not just north carolina but democracy as a whole. >> well, when we think about the foundation of our democracy, it depends on checks and balances. our state supreme court, our governor, who has a veto, and of course, the state legislature. this republican state legislature in north carolina is arguing that the legislature and the legislature alone has the authority to set the time, place, and manner of federal
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elections. when you take that to its extreme, which they are arguing, the state court has nothing to say about it, the governor has nothing to say about it, and you see the potential problems from the actions of this very republican legislature in the past. passing voter i.d. laws that even an i.d. at the university of north carolina doesn't work. taking away provisional ballots at polling places. shortening voting time. thankfully, a lot of their schemes have been overruled by the federal courts. i've been able to stop a number of them with gubernatorial veto. but this would allow state legislatures alone, across the country, to set the rules for our federal elections and that's dangerous. >> governor, could this change the landscape of 2024? >> absolutely. taking it to the place where i
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think many of them would want to go, and if you look at donald trump's plan, being able to ignore the popular vote in a state, and change presidential electors. depending on what the supreme court does here, it could give state legislators unfettered authority to set the rules for federal elections and it could affect the presidential election. and not just with electors, but with the rules on how you operate the voting, restricting the vote for certain populations. this republican legislature has a history of going in and targeting certain populations, and making it harder for them to vote. we also see it in diabolical gerrymandering. they put forth a plan, back when we had 13 members of congress, that was 10-3, republican and
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democrat, when asked how could a state that's pretty even in votes end up that way, they said they didn't think it was possible to make a plan that was 11-2 republican. this is their mindset. and this is what we're trying to stop by fighting this case in the u.s. supreme court today. the arguments just ended a couple of hours ago. i think it was three hours long. tough questions being asked. i hope the u.s. supreme court does the right thing in this case. >> i also want to ask you about the latest on what's happening in your state with the power grid, the fbi now asking for information tied to the suspects in the targeted attacks on the two sub-stations that knocked out power for thousands. we know it will be restored. i want to play quickly what a mom told us this this has meant for her and her kids. >> this is still a sense of not knowing what it was, because it
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wasn't a natural disaster and hanging in the back of your mind, it is disconcerting. it is hard to sleep. many people have left town because it is really cold. >> what is it like for your kids? >> very deeply unsettling. the idea that somebody would intentionally do this in that way, very frightening. >> governor, we only have a minute left but how close are the police and the fbi getting some answers to folks like her? >> it is four rough nights for the people in moore county. and we know we have to find who did this. federal, state, local, are working together, leaving no stone unturned, making sure that we find who did this, and why. we also need to look to the future at hardening our electric grid, making sure that it's more secure. this is unacceptable, for someone to be able to intentionally come in and disable a substation, and cut
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