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more classified stuff, and more places now, apparently adding on to the pressure for former president trump, according to some new reporting just out late this afternoon about his handling of classified documents. what his own team reportedly found inside one of his storage facilities in florida and why it's now in the hands of the fbi, and why it's adding on to the legal challenges for trump. nbc news reporting confirming any criminal referrals by the january 6th committee, along with their final report, tbd on timing there, but we will talk about what members say today about the time line overall, and why they're meeting practically every day. plus now you see, it now you don't, the disappearing tweet this afternoon from one member of congress who seems to agree with mr. trump about terminating parts of the constitution.

plus, an interview you will only see here, lester holt is joining us live in just a minute, with his one-on-one with dr. anthony fauci. fauci sharing about the only time he really got upset during the covid pandemic, at least on national tv, about the politics of it all. we'll share that moment in a couple of minutes. i'm hallie jackson in washington, and we're starting with the new reporting today from the "washington post," on the d.o.j.'s investigation into former president trump. you've got the paper now saying an outside team of lawyers, hired by the former president, found at least two new items of classified markings, at a storage unit in florida. in the search, at least one of three recent searches of properties the former president used, all after a federal judge told the trump team to look for any other materials that the former president may still have. the post is citing people familiar with the matter in their report. nbc news has reached out to the d.o.j. and attorneys for the former president for comment. and let me bring in now "washington post" national security reporter devlin barrett, one of the reporters

who broke the story, along with former u.s. attorney barbara mcquade and msnbc legal analyst. devlin, great to have you on the show. no indication that the former president has been at the storage facility. but as you point out in your piece, even the presence of these items as you lay out here, indicates that mar-a-lago was not the only place where this stuff was. a person familiar with the matter is telling you, suits and swords and wrestling belts and all sorts of things, with a mix of gifts and boxes et cetera. tell us more about what you're seeing and learning and what you're hearing. >> we flow that this storage unit was rented after the president left office and was essentially used as best we can tell as a kind of way station for some of the president's things, in west palm beach, and so as this investigation into what classified information went forward at mar-a-lago, there is

a secondary issue that is always, that has always sort of vexed prosecutors, is there any other classified material anywhere else that would be considered among trump's possessions, and what we are reporting today, what we do know is they found two such items. >> explain the significance. as we laid out, it suggests that mar-a-lago is perhaps not the only place where this stuff was. might there be even more based on the reporting that you've done? >> the other part of our reporting today, is that similar searches were done at trump's residence at trump tower and bedminster new jersey, and trump's legal team has told the government that no classified documents were found in those places. i think the significance of these two classified marked items in florida represent mostly the idea that when trump got this subpoena from the government back in may, he was not in compliance, and remained in compliance for -- not in

compliance for quite some time. >> you're making a point that i was about to raise here. because this is what this all stems from, right? the suspicion, that the perhaps the former president and his team in fact did not fully comply with that grand jury subpoena. >> right. and obviously, that's been a big bone of contention in this whole process. we are told that these trump team searches took place in the midst of a pretty heated set of arguments in court that remain under seal, because the justice department simply does not trust the types of assurances they have been getting along the way from trump's legal team. >> devlin, if you can, stand by for a second. barbara, let me turn to you, and to be clear, you have your analyst hat on here, explaining what the significance of the consequences here may be for the former president and his team if this is borne out? >> well, if president trump continues to knowingly retain documents, this is an ongoing violation. and so potentially exposes him to additional counts for any

indictment that might follow. also much easier to prove a willful violation if he continues to hold things long after there have been court filings and subpoenas and search warrants for these items. there's also, i think this raises the issue of the extent to which you can trust trump and his lawyers to turn over things when they say they've had them. they said they found more two more. are there more? how do we know? once before, they told you that they had turned over everything. and yet, a search warrant turned up 13,000 more documents. i also think you see this in devlin's reporting, that the justice department, at least at some time, if not still, is aware that there are remaining classified documents that are unaccounted for. and we've heard about the letter with the korean leader, we've heard about the note from president obama, that was believed to still be missing, and the justice department keeps, the government agencies keep track of the classified documents, and so now that we've had a lance to kind of go back and look at the inventory of

these things, they may know that there are things that aren't there, and so that may be what is prompting these continued requests to turn over anything that they have. >> devlin, part of your reporting with your team at the "washington post" there suggests that trump's attorneys have told the d.o.j. that the search of bedminster and trump tower did not turn up new classified information, according to people familiar. it's interesting here, that they pulled in this team, right, to do this search, and your report that the team offered the fbi to kind of like watch, right, to kind of observe the process, which would be, as you note, not the standard by which a government or a law enforcement agency would watch somebody else conduct the search. i ask this because could the government seek to obtain and execute other search warrants to conduct the search in a more formal way or is that a foreclosed upon idea at this point? >> they could do that but i think what you see in this back and forth, even with all of the

tension and disagreement, you see both sides are trying to avoid another search like that. the government is trying to essentially use the courts to bring pressure on to the trump team to do more exhaustive searching. and trump's team, for their part, seemed to be willing to do a number of searching and turn over, you know, a couple of items, if that preens the government from doing -- prevents the government from doing another fbi agent search. >> thank you, and in the "post" piece published today, the former president spokesperson says he and his counsel continue to be cooperative and transparent, again describing the d.o.j. as creating an unprecedented and unwarranted attack on the team. thank you very much. and we have the january 6th committee racing against the clock to make somewhat could be potentially big moves here with members of the committee saying that any criminal referral would be included in the final report due at some point before the end

of this calendar year. there is not much calendar year left for them to play with. the committee will have to disband before the new year and the new congress. joining me now is nbc news capitol hill correspondent ryan nobles and punchbowl co-founder, john, let me start with you, and they're meeting almost daily basically to finish up the report and get it out and i know the chairman has talked about releasing it at some point after the 16th but before the holiday season, what needs to happen here next? >> they've got to finish the job, hallie. it's as simple as that. they've collected a vo loum -- voluminous amount of information and they're trying to have a comprehensive look as to what led to the events of january 6th and offer recommendations to prevent it from happening again, up to and including criminal referrals of individuals that they believe were responsible for this attack, and perhaps standing in the way of their investigation. that's a lot of work. you know, the chairman has told us that it could be up to eight

chapters in length. we don't know how long each one of those chapters will be. and they are planning to release every bit of information that they collected, all of the emails, all of documents, the text messages, and the transcripts of all of the conversations that they've had with all of these witnesses. so it is just a lot of work, and they were, they are working around the clock to get it done and they are looking at decisions for what goes into the report and what is on the cutting room floor and a lot of referrals and there is a let of work to do and not a lot of time to get it all done. >> on the criminal referrals part of this, do you have any sense how high up the select committee is willing to go? we are talking about a handful of lawmakers and trump officials and donald trump himself who ignored the committee subpoenas. >> all along we've heard john eastman, trump's lawyer involved in the fake electors scheme, and we know they are looking at

potentially the charges against witnesses, who perjured themselves, and you know, there's allegations that they have had to interview witnesses several times in order to uncover or get to what they believe is the truth. of course, the big question is trump. a criminal referral of trump. if you ask congresswoman liz cheney, i think she would probably -- vice chair of the january 6 committee, i think she would feel pretty strongly about that. there are others on the committee that feel strongly about it. i think that is the big issue. would you do a criminal referral against trump? and remember, there is a justice department criminal investigation going on, parallel to this investigation. and while the fake electors, and involving some of the other issues, so i think that is, you know, something that they have to factor in as well. or, you know, does the criminal referral help or hinder the justice department, and how would the attorney general merrick garland respond to that. and remember, just because congress does a criminal

referral, it doesn't mean that the justice department -- >> pull that thread more, because i think that is an important point here, because there is no guarantee that anything on this is going to be seen through, and when you look at the time line, it is not an apples to apples comparison, and you look at steve bannon and the contempt of congress, and not apples to apples, but the timing of that, and when whee learned about the d.o.j. moving forward on ang indictment there, it was something like 22 days, including two days for the full house to vote, that time line, let's say it again, this is just, we're theorizing here, because there is no real good precedent for something like this, but it indicates that this will be coming up potentially at the start of a new congress. what does this actually look like if in fact, the d.o.j. were to pick up the ball and what do we know if they didn't, other than time running out on the clock. >> the d.o.j. doesn't have a time line. so i mean they have time. and it is not the january 6th time line. the january 6th committee -- >> i just mean, in other words,

the d.o.j. is not likely, is not going to come out and say, maybe they would, they wouldn't come out and say we're not going to move on this criminal referral, you know what i mean, if in fact that is what happens, they, could you could see merrick garland do that, and they could not say anything, that's what i mean. ryan, jump in here, too. >> they've done that, there is precedent for them saying no, we're not going to do on this, and they have turned down the criminal contempt of mark meadows and the justice department has in the past, in part, in keep can with the relationship with congress, been honest with them, as to whether or not they believe something should move forward, but you know, i think part of the point you're driving at here, hallie is, the difference between what requires a vote of the entire louse, versus what requires nothing more than a letter to the department of justice. and if they offer up a criminal contempt of congress charge, which is, you know, a different level -- >> that's what -- right. >> that could potentially happen with some of these subpoena requests that have gone unnoticed, so you industrial a pending one from mark meadows, you still have one pending for

donald trump, so a criminal contempt of congress would require a full vote of the house, if they want to say separately, we think this witness perjured himself or herself, during our investigation, here's the evidence lining that up. that could just be a letter to merrick garland as part of their report and merrick garland decides what to do with it. >> both of you tell me if i'm wrong and i know you will because that's the relationship that we, have it seems the discussion is more on the latter rather than the former. no? >> look, i think this is eformgsly complicated. i think you've hit on it and ryan has hit on it. you could see, an historic number of referrals here. i mean when we're talking about criminal referrals in the past, that i've covered, and i've covered this for a long time, you're talking about specific individuals here and, there steve bannon, mark meadows, they were specific, they didn't respond to a subpoena, and i mean you could be talking, you know, high single digits, dozens of referrals, i mean it depends on how far they want to go, and your point, what you opened with, how important do they want to go down the scheme to

overturn the january 6th, or the 2020 elections, how far do they want to go? and do they start with trump? do they start with meadows? do they start with other white house staffers. if you aided the president, you, and you are working in the west wing, are you involved in a criminal enterprise? i mean it depends on intent. it depends on a lot of issues. so i think that this is really getting into really unprecedented ground here. but i do think there is, you know, that there will probably be some house votes on criminal contempt and maybe perjury, i think there may be some of those, but others may be a referral, but remember, when the january 6th committee dumps everything on the public, and the d.o.j. is use, it anything that is gone to congress or said to congress, the d.o.j. can use it. >> and they would like to see it. we know that much. >> john, ryan, great to see both of you, as always, thank you. coming up, we will take you live to the supreme court, with the justices looking at what could be the single most

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lester holt is here. sitting down with dr. anthony fauci, for an in depth interview. >> i'm here. >> you have got therein really fascinating and we say exit

interview, baut because we've heard a lot from dr. fauci the last couple of years but people forget and we talk about so much of him and the pandemic and he is on the way out of public service but he has been in public service for something like four decades and he's talked about how much he's done, and politicization of covid and we are talking about a heated moment of the congressional hearing that stands out to him. watch. >> the only time i really got upset was when senator paul totally inappropriately, on national tv, that was following the hearing, accused me of being responsible for the death of 5 million people. >> i got to tell you, lester, one of the things that we have talked a lot here on the msnbc show during the pandemic were these congressional hearings and how heated these moments got between dr. fauci and senator rand fall. i mean our viewers know that, right? take us through what you heard from dr. fauci, because this is one piece of it. your interview, your discussions spanned the decades that he's been in public service.

>> a lot of it frankly was about the covid pandemic, where we are, and by the way, he still believes we are firmly in a pandemic, and it could turn worse at some point, but really, we talked a lot about this political issue, and he does believe that the politics got in the way of saving lives, and you know, that's a direct reaction to what he thinks was a lot of misinformation out there, about lockdowns and masks and he pointed out that he would never have the power to order those things, that were supposedly done through other mechanisms in government. but nonetheless, he said it is sad to think that there are people who, you know, who didn't get live-saving treatment, or the inoculations of vaccinations, because of political ideologies, and he went to continue that point about some of the questions from congress. >> you got angry at times, with some of the congressional hearings, when you were personally attacked. do you have any regrets about the way that you handled that?

>> i think 99.9% of the time, i have been my usual self, which is very calm and measured. and now with all due respect, i'm not going to take that from anybody, including a senator. so that was the one time that i felt that i probably should not have, but i think that's the only time that i really did that, because i, i don't mind oversight at all, i think oversight is a productive part of the process. but when you start off by, you know, being accusatory, based on, you know, no evidence whatsoever, and working a slanderous comment, that has to go answered. you can't let that go unanswered. >> i also asked him about the fact that while there were many on the right who took limb to task, there were many on the left who who idolized him and put him at sainthood and he talked about that and recognized that neither is necessarily done and in fact counter product tific to the overall mission of

trying to keep people healthy but he also talked about messaging and acknowledging that they have not done a good job necessarily of helping the public understand how this has been a moving target from the get-go, in terms of covid, that what was true today may not be true on thursday, or the day after. and he thinks they could have done, or they should be doing a better job of trying to help the public understand that. >> i know you were down here in washington to conduct this interview with dr. fauci. was there anything you heard, as somebody who led our coverage here at nbc news nightly throughout the pandemic that surprised you from dr. fauci? was there anything that you heard that you, in your lester holt reporting hat, saying wait a second, i didn't expect him to say that? >> no, i think he expresses the fears that we could go down this road again, with another virus, and you know, and i think he worries and expresses concerns about what's that going to look like in terms of reaction? in fact, i asked him, for your

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right now, over on capitol hill, the saga over former president trump's call to terminate parts of the constitution is taking on a new twist. because in a tweet, that has since been deleted, we have republican congressman paul gosar saying he supports and agrees with the former president, writing, i'm quoting here, in gosar's words, unprecedented fraud requires unprecedented cure. making him as far as we know the first republican lawmaker to

publicly come out and side with donald trump on this front. again, tweet deleted. we should note obviously there is absolutely no evidence of unprecedented fraud. this is a continuation of the election fraud lies. no response from the congressman's office just yet. what is the sense, what is the reaction from where you're standing there on pennsylvania avenue? >> well, just to start out, we've seen several republicans in the past few weeks, even frankly before the midterms, start to distance themselves from former president trump, and over the last few days, react to not only these comments but also last week, that dinner that former president trump had with nick fuentes and kanye west, and mitch mcconnell taking a not so vailed swipe at trump's 2024 bid for the white house in the wake of the comments yesterday. so when republicans are specifically asked about reaction to these latest extreme comments and actions by former

president trump, for the large part, they have condemned them. others are staying quiet. but as you mentioned, so far, gosar is the only republican lawmaker that has come out publicly and supported this call from former president trump, to terminate the constitution. we've reached out to gosar's office. as you mentioned, we still haven't heard back yet. but hallie, at its core, it raises a lot of questions about the state of the gop, because this is a party that has admittedly admitted to a disappointing defeat in the midterms, they've been trying to unify ahead of 2024, and as they continue to try to do that, they seem to keep getting slowed down by these outliers who are coming out and saying things like what gosar is saying here. gosar has come under fire for past controversial comments. he was actually stripped of his committee assignments last year, after tweeting video depicting him actually killing congresswoman alexandra ocasio-cortez.

and kevin mccarthy, as you and i are familiar with, is facing this very hard battle for the speakership and he is trying to cement support from far right members of congress, like paul gosar, saying that when republicans are sworn in, in january, and gain back the majority in the house, that he be given those committee assignments back, and mccarthy saying that his committee assignments will be even better. so whether mccarthy comes out and condemns this latest development by gosar, whether he decides to not give him those committee assignments back, those are definitely things that we will be keeping an eye on, when we see the house lawmakers break very shortly today and over the next few weeks. >> alli raffa, thank you. elsewhere on the capitol hill, we have the house in session for one of the last times this year. and the top of mind, the least far along is a bill to actually keep the lights on in the federal government, and the deadline is next friday. you've also got the defense authorization act, basically the bill that pays for the military. with negotiations inching

towards a deal. with the release of the bill's text on tuesday. the bill to put in place some protections, narrow but important protections on same-sex marriage, is also hung up in the house after the senate passed it about a week ago. and changes to the electoral counteract which supporter say would prevent another january 6th. also on the docket, is susan collins, talking with nbc news today, and let me bring in our capitol hill reporter, and where do things stand? where does this go? >> let's talk about the lights on in the government first of all, negotiating the bill, there is a lot of time with the deadline next friday to get this done and that is with the words of richard shelby, you have to compress the calendar to get some movement. and today, he told me, along with other lawmakers, negotiating this deal, that they are just as far apart as they have been since monday, 25, $26 billion apart. i want to talk about that key piece you that just mentioned, the electoral counteract. because that's really important for a number of reasons, and excuse me as you hear the clanking next to me, they're

setting up some kind of dinner here to my left. but when you talk about the government funding bill, there are a lot of other items that lawmakers are working to roll into it, and that includes eca reforms, susan collins telling me yes, when i asked if it would be included, and her office clarifying later that she hopes it will be included. and there is no pathway for that to be done. and moving on to the house passing it before it gets to the senate, we are told that could happen as soon as tonight. and of course they released that bill text overnight. you have seen nearly $900 billion funding our nation's military, and really importantly, they did include suspending the military vaccine man state, which of course president biden and members of the administration said is still a military readiness issue. but republicans, able to persuade democrats on that front. and so two big issues here. it's kind of like when you're back in college cramming for your final exams, that's what we've been seeing every december

as we're going through this, and the house is supposed to also, as you know, pass the same-sex marriage bill which the senate was able to pass last week. we're expecting that to happen tomorrow. >> thank you. let's talk about what is going on at the supreme court, with the justices seemingly searching for a middle ground in a big case out of north carolina. one that could really reshape how elections are run. and here is why this matters. justices are looking at whether to embrace a kind of obscure legal argument called the independent state legislature theory. if you're like okay, why should i care? or how could it change who sets election rules? here's the tl-tr version. too long, didn't read. and they want to cut courts out of the picture all together and critics of the whole thing say listens, we have a system of checks and balance force a reason and what you're seeing, it could affect the balance of power and a lot of

election-related issues. redistricting. mail-in voting. access to the polls. and the power of governors to retoe bills. we are bringing in julia ainsley outside the supreme court and the justices did not get involved in 2020 in the theory but at the time we had conservatives showing support. talk to us about the tea leaves today and as far as how oral arguments have gone down and what clues we can get from that. >> today, this gets to the merits, the meat of that theory that you mentioned, and the stakes could not be higher. because of the big impact that this could have, not only on how districting lines are drawn, but really how we vote and who can vote, and the results of this election, and it can all be in question here. republicans in the state legislature in north carolina, that the court should not have thrown out redistricting that they drew, for districts in their state. they say that according to the election clause, the federal clause, they should be entitled

to be the only body this their state, not the court, not the governor, to decide on that. and it is an argument that at first kind of started off on the fringes but is not really gaining prominence, in conservative legal circles, and it has come all the way here to the supreme court today. we're listening to how the justices ask questions during oral arguments, and there seems to be a very thin margin of some justices who might be on the fence about this, and including amy coney barrett. but from justices kagan and justice alito, these are two justices, with very polarizing views on this topic, they both have a different interpretation of what could happen to democracy if this case is upheld, or not. take a listen to what they had to say. >> this is a proposal that gets rid of the normal checks and balances on the way big government decisions are made in this country. >> do you think that if furthers democracy, to transfer the political controversy about

districting from the legislature to elected supreme courts, where the candidates are permitted by state law to campaign on the issue of districts? >> so you hear there, justice alito doesn't think that courts are any more yirch different to the political whims of the day than the state legislature would be. he doesn't think that they should be given ultimate authority. and that in fact, it should stay with the state legislatures, but of course, the tradition in the past has been that the state court could make checks and balances on how legislatures drew those lines. and so right now, we expect to hear probably in mid june how the court will decide. but today, we heard just outside the court after oral arguments, we heard a lot of people taking victory laps. the speaker of the house of north carolina saying that he doesn't think that this should be any way of a check on the results of the election and did

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on villages in donetsk, come as ukrainians are trying to have a moment, if you will, of celebration, celebrating the fact that time magazine has decided that president zelenskyy and the spirit of ukraine are the person of the year. we have a chance to speak to one of the people actually featured on the cover of the magazine, an esteemed chef here in ukraine, when the war began, he was quick to open up the doors of his restaurant to feed anyone who needed food, particularly people serving in the territorial defense, and he very quickly took his efforts, his recipes, he's known for his borsch, to the border with poland, where people were internally displaced and being forced to flee their homes. we asked him what it meant to be a part of this honor. he said that this is a privilege being recognized by "time" magazine. listen to what he told me. >> it is a fighting spirit. because all the time, we have to

fight. unfortunately. we are all together in a fight. >> reporter: life in ukraine is often full of contrast at the same time you were talking about more detailed reports of war crimes that allegedly took place at the beginning of the war, talking about these new strikes in villages in donetsk today, reportedly killing civilians. we're also talking about this moment that is something people here appreciate, of them being recognized on a wider platform for what they have been through, and things people within the ukrainian society have done in the last nine months. that chef talked about how for him this is a month he says that just reminds him to keep going, to keep doing what he's doing, because he says there are people fighting on the homefront further away from the front lines every day. >> ellison barber, live for us in kyiv. thank you very much. still ahead, how the white house is fighting anti-semitism, with the second gentleman bringing people together on that today. we're going to go inside that

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democrats obviously wanted to see. nbc's ryan nobles is on capitol hill. talk about this moment and some of the reaction on the hill, especially as you're hearing from the other side of the aisle, republican-defeated herschel walker on the fact of the trump toxicity and seeing the meeting between senator warnock and chuck shumer. >> this isn't a regular thing and chuck schumer doesn't go out and greet every member of the democratic caucus. it shows how much he and his team were excited about the win and having that one extra seat in the senate is going to make a big difference for them on a whole host of issues. but getting back to your point about republicans, it does appear to be a lot of soul searching as to what has gone wrong for republicans in this midterm election. historically, the party that is not in power in the white house does much better in the midterm than these republicans did this time around. yes, they did win back the house, but falling short in the senate and the margin so close in the house has left a lot of them wondering what went wrong.

and there are some wondering to at least put at least part of the blame on the former president, donald trump, and others that are just asking for kind of a wholesale change for the way republicans are approaching business. and here's the meeting. you can see how excited chuck schumer was to see raphael warnock. but it's significant, when you think, as the republicans do this soul searching, about the optics of what we're seeing now, rafael warnock being elected to a six-year term after serving for two years. the idea that there would be two democratic senatsenators, basic kind of the difference between having the majority and not having the majority in the senate, is really the state of georgia. this is a state that has historically sent republicans to washington and, you know, when they did send democrats, you know, in a previous generation, they tend to be much more conser conservative. this shows the sea change and how much you are seeing kind of soul searching from republicans

today. >> ryan noebels, thank you. let's talk about what was going on on the other end of pennsylvania avenue. second gentleman doug emhoff had a roundtable on anti-semitism at the white house. emhoff, who is jewish himself, not calling out anybody by name, but calling out what is happening across the country. >> it hurts, it hurts me to see what we're going through right now. what all people are going through right now. anti-semitism is dangerous. we cannot normalize this. we all have an obligation to condemn these vile acts. >> the white house says this roundtable has been in the work for weeks but comes at a particularly poignant time, after a 2024 presidential candidate had dinner with two open anti-semites. important to remember this issue goes a lot deeper than that. you have the adl reporting the

highest number of anti-semitic incidents last year. the highest on record since the group even started tracking this stuff back in 1979. it's on the rise everywhere. jewish institutions, synagogues, gradeschools. somebody that knows this information very well, somebody at that white house round table today, ceo of the american jewish committee and former congressman ted deutch. take us inside the meeting. how did it go? >> it was a really powerful acknowledgement by the second gentlemen, but really by the white house and this administration, that this is a really challenging moment for the jewish community, that these anti-semitic statements that appear over and over online by social media figures, that -- who praise hitler and nazis and deny the holocaust, that they positive a real threat to the community, and that we need to do something about it, that was the tableaway from today, it was very powerful to hear that coming in the white house, and from the white house.

>> you mentioned some of the influencers, people who are openly saying things like -- disgusting, terrible things. >> horrific. >> did that come up at the meeting behind closed doors? >> well -- >> specifically kanye west, nick fuentes, put names to the people who are saying this terrible stuff. and you can also not put names to them, i get it. but that's sort of the moment we're in right now. >> well, it is. but this isn't -- this isn't just a moment about kanye or nick fuentes or other anti-semites. this is something that's been happening in the community that the jewish community has felt for years and has been -- and has been -- >> building and building. >> what they've done is they've done two things. one, they've brought it front and center, so, everyone can see how terrible it is and how much is at risk to society as a whole. and two, they -- they've allowed the anti-semimilts to climb out from under rocks. they are trying to normalize it. and what happened today at the

white house, the administration led by president biden said, no, we're not going to do it. that's what's so critically important. >> the face of it today was the second gentleman, somebody who we don't see in these moments, talking about public policy in this way that afternoon and it was striking, i think, to a lot of people how clearly deeply personal this is for him. >> really personal for the second gentleman. and when he talked about it, you played some of this, he acknowledged how hard and challenging this moment is. he also talked about how he's going to continue to be a proud and open jew. that statement coming from someone in his position, that sends a really strong message to the community as a whole and going forward, the ability for us to work together to create a national action plan with inner agency collaboration, the kind of thing that more than 100 of my former colleagues in the house and our senate friends have sent in a letter to the

administration. the commitment by president biden to stand with deborah, when she became the special envoy to combat anti-semitism. now, we need that focus on the domestic level. today was the first step. having the second gentleman is really important. >> what else do you want to see done, right, beyond what we're doing, i think, here in this moment, which is talking about it, calling it out, making it -- helping to understand how dangerous is this. >> calling it out, let's be clear, that's critically important. every single time it happens, no matter whether it's on the left or right, we need to call it out. but we need a national action plan. and ajc has been involved in contributing and shaping national action plans in countries around the world where they faced this issue already. now it's happening here. we need to take action, work with jewish groups, working with the administration, to establish a way for everyone to work together from justice department

and fbi to homeland security to keep the community safe, because the entire society is at risk if we don't. >> and it has to be people working together, collaborating to fight this. congressman, thank you for being on the show. appreciate it. >> that does it for us this hour. glad to have you all watching. you can find us on twitter and then, of course, over on our nbc news streaming channel, nbc news now, for show two tonight and every weeknight, 5:00 eastern. i'll seal you then. for now, nicolle wallace picks it up with "deadline" right after the break. k. ♪are you ready for me♪ ♪are you ready♪ ♪are you ready♪ before we begin, i'd like to thank our sponsor, liberty mutual. they customize your car insurance, so you only pay for what you need. and by switching, you could even save $652. thank you, liberty mutual. now, contestants ready? go!

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