>> and there was one last thing we wanted to do with eric. remember that bench eric could see from inside sing sing? we took him back there. and we watched him finally make good on that promise to himself. to get that other view of the prison. this time from the outside. >> that's all for this edition of "dateline. " i'm craig melvin. thank you for watching. welcome to the show, i'm mehdi hasan. i want to go back in time for a

moment. back to 1972. the fbi began investigating a number of rental apartments in new york city that were allegedly turning away black applicants. the fbi records include multiple interviews describing racial discrimination with one x torment saying, he was told of a black person inquired about an apartment for rent, i should tell him, the rent was twice as much as it really was. in order that he could not afford the apartment. the following year, the justice department civil rights division filed a lawsuit against the building's management company, for violating the fair housing act and the civil rights act. the suit was settled two years later. without the defendants admitting any wrongdoing. who were those defendants? fred and donald trump. for 50 years now, donald trump has been the subject of legal scrutiny. investigated ensued multiple times over, often relating to his real estate businesses. and even if he's not being accused of something illegal, per se, he's been accused of, let's say, loose ethics. remember this moment from the 2016 presidential debate. >> or maybe he doesn't want the

american people, all of you watching tonight, to know that he's paid nothing in federal taxes, because the only years that anybody's ever seen were a couple of years when he had to turn them over to state authorities, when he was trying to get a casino license, and they showed, he didn't pay any federal income tax. >> that makes me for. >> oh yes, so smart. not at all, dodgy. despite all the accusations in lawsuits, donald trump himself has never been indicted for a crime. the same can't be said for his company. just this week, a jury found the trump organization guilty of all 17 counts against him. including conspiracy, criminal tax fraud and falsifying business records. manhattan district attorney, alvin bragg said quote, the trump organization got away with -- lavish perks and competition will intentionally concealing the benefits from the taxing

authorities to avoid paying taxes. in addition to the company being fined one half million dollars, cfo allen weisselberg will do jail time. but trump, the man whose name is literally on the company was not even charged. despite the fact that weisselberg testified that trump was the one who signed fraudulent bonus checks in the scheme. in a statement, trump called the guilty verdict a continuation of the greatest political witch hunt in the history of our country, adding, new york city is a harm place to beat trump. of course, as regular viewers of the show no, there's a host of other ongoing investigations against trump. there's the doj probe over classified documents found on his mar-a-lago resort home. this week, we learned that lawyers for trump, who were searching three of his properties, found at least two new classified documents in a storage unit in florida. trump's representatives did not return and msnbc news for comment on that development. then there's the probe in trump's role trying to overturn the 2020 election, and the lead up to the capitol riot.

doj special counsel, jack smith, said subpoenas to local officials in three key swing states, asking them to turn over any and all communications with the former president or his campaign. meanwhile, the chairman of the january 6th committee says he expects to make criminal referrals later this month, when the panel releases its final report. we don't know yet who the targets of those referrals maybe, but even if trump is among them, will attorney general merrick garland or special counsel jack smith do anything about it? sure, these legal threats are serious. but i cannot help but worried that after decades of evading consequence after consequence, teflon don will slip through the cracks once again. joining me now to discuss this, to msnbc contributors were also co-hosts of the sisters in law podcast, jill wine-banks, who's assistant watergate special prosecutor, and we also have former u.s. attorney, joyce vance. thank you both for being here. jill, let me start with you. donald trump was not a defendant in this trump

organization fraud case. but his name came up repeatedly throughout the trial. a prosecutor said in the closing statement trump, quote, knew exactly what was going on. so, how on earth did he not get charged in connection to this case? >> well, that is such a good question. but in a traditional way, when a corporation is indicted, it is the corporation that is indicted. the personal benefit to weisselberg is why he was personally indicted. and why he pled guilty. his testimony was not as forthcoming as i think the plea deal should have and could have demanded. i hope he won't get full credit first testimony. because he went out of his way to help his former boss, actually, not even his former boss, as i understand it, he is still working at the trump organization. i think the cumulative effect and the naming of individual number one, once again, just

like in the stormy daniels case, is getting to the point where donald trump will suffer the consequences, much more than a 1.6 million dollar penalty. much more like the new york attorney general's case, which could end the trump organization completely, and the many cases pending that could lead to criminal guilt and a verdict by a jury. >> joyce, am i wrong to wonder why on earth trump wasn't charged in relation to this trump org case? it's something a lot of people are wondering. >> it's a valid question, and it was something that was hotly debated at that point in time that he -- yogurt to people on -- staff, actually resigned. when he made the decision. we don't know for certain what it came down to, but typically, these issues involve whether prosecutors believe they have sufficient evidence to convince a jury beyond a reasonable doubt and it's easy when we

look at the evidence, i know i'm guilty of this sometimes to, of looking at the evidence and saying, that's overwhelming. but as a prosecutor, you have to confront the legal standard and the risk of losing your case on appeal. you want to keep going until you have as much evidence as possible. and so, i think the more interesting question here, after what happened in this trial, might we see the manhattan dea reconsider that earlier decision and decide to go after trump now? >> joyce, it's not just amanda, you've also got the civil suit led by a.g. laetitia james, also over trump's business dealings, widespread fraud claims, excuse, me at the trump org. how much might they've guilty verdict, joyce, in the on weisselberg case effect laetitia james civil suit? >> so, none of these issues are directly related, but certainly, they create a little bit of momentum. it's interesting to note, alvin bragg used to work for fish james.

he is just hired matthew colin jill, osama else who worked for tissue jams, running in essence, her trump portfolio. it's tough to believe that they're not remaining aligned, as jill says, and it's a serious threat in the civil case, there are very serious sanctions that could be imposed against the corporation, we sometimes call that the corporate death penalty. she has not asked for that ultimate sanction. but nonetheless, very severe restrictions. what sticks in my mind, though, after the conviction of weisselberg and the trump organization. is where is the federal government in terms of prosecuting criminal tax violations. when you cheat, when you violate the law on your state taxes, very often, there is a parallel federal violation, it looks that way here. and it would be interesting to see whether there's any sort of federal move in this regard. >> it will be. jill, just shifting gears a bit, sources tell nbc news that january six committee will release its final report the

week before christmas. and they plan to issue criminal referrals to the justice department, based on the report. if you had to guess who the most likely targets of any referrals, surely trump has to be considered to be among them? >> i think you are absolutely right, mehdi. trump's number one on that list. but i think you can see that there are many of his supporters and aides who will also be named in that. and it won't be just for either perjury or obstruction of congress, and i think we're getting to the point now, where some of what's going on, we're back to the watergate era of the cover-up is worse than the crime. because what's going on has been a prolonged cover-up of the actions before january 6th, after january 6th, the mar-a-lago, the cover-up is now really getting to the point where the cumulative effect may be that the republican party and even the most loyal trump

supporters are going, he's really bad. we can't keep this up. because there's just, every time he says, it's everything you have everything, well, now two more documents of showed up in a new location that had not been identified before. and he's like a mob boss, he didn't sign the affidavit saying, i did a complete search. he made sure a lawyer did that. that lawyers should be ashamed, and i think his new lawyers have to be worried, they can't believe anything that he says. >> you'd be shocked to hear that lawyer is not ashamed. last quick question to you, joyce, doj special counsel, jack smith, just issued subpoenas to key local election officials. in several swing states, related to president trump then efforts to overturn the 2020 election. the supreme subpoenas against smith is looking into the fake electors scheme. what might he be looking for, new? >> well, the subpoenas call for information that relate directly to communications between state officials in four states where the state electors

scam was in play. and the trump campaign. there were earlier subpoenas sent out to a lot of folks in connection with this scam, this looks to me like smith is putting a fine point on it, try to compile more specific evidence, it's also a very interesting move when you think about the complexity and the scope of the investigation. he's taken over as the new special counsel. the mar-a-lago part of that case is widely perceived as the easier part of the case to go ahead, the more straight line sort of investigation. so, it's great to see that he can chew gum and walk at the same time, right? proceeding on both aspects of the case simultaneously. so early in his tenure. >> he definitely is to be doing that. jill wine-banks and joyce vance, thank you both for analysis as over. much appreciated. still to come, iowa is out. president biden is now pushing for south carolina to take the lead in the 2024 presidential primary. we will discuss the push back against that, with msnbc simone

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in some credit mike say doesn't happen most of the time, but the other day, the democratic party did something that makes a lot of sense. president biden is urging, he took the first steps towards removing iowa as the first state in the presidential nominating cycle. iowa's always a strange choice, it looks nothing like the

diverse working class makeup of the democratic base. okay to be when the state is 90% white? it took a real debacle the iowa caucus in 2020, with a broken app that was most italy votes, and the delayed data an all out chaos really for democrats to make the decision they should've made years ago. to make a change. it was a chance to pick a new state, to go first. that reflects the country's diversity. especially the black voters who have helped produce so many democratic party victories recently. as well as a state that reflects democratic party values. like support for organized labor. president biden is pushing the party to pick south carolina. which has been well received by a lot of people inside the democratic party, especially because of its large black population. black voters, as i said, deserve recognition in democratic party primaries. and remember, black south carolina ian's helped joe biden win the democratic presidential primary. >> thank you, thank you, thank

you south carolina. we just one and we won big because of you. >> now, some critics on the left say that biden picked south carolina because it's saved him in 2020, if you'll recall, biden came in fourth in the 2020 iowa caucuses. once i actually figured out how to count the votes. and fifth in the second nominating calm twist in new hampshire primary. biden's win in south carolina turned isn't entire campaign around, it all but catapulted him to the nomination. and helped him defeat bernie sanders. so, you can understand why he might be loyal to the state. and why now, the democratic national committee is set to vote next year on biden's proposal to make south carolina the first nominating contest in the country. but you also might understand why someone on the left are suspicious of biden's pick of south carolina. in fact, one high-profile vote against the plan, at the dnc next year, will come from fist shaq, who ran bernie sanders 2020 -- he wrote a new york times essay

on monday, denouncing the choice for multiplicity of reasons. he writes, quote, south carolina is not a battleground state, mr. trump carried it by double digits in 2020. let's not compel all other democratic campaigns to raise more money that could be better spent elsewhere. he notes that south carolina has the lowest per capita union membership of anywhere in the country. he also points out that georgia, nevada, north carolina are better candidates. of course, their battleground states in the general election. unlike south carolina, which went for trump by almost 12 percentage points. in 2020. and just look at the demographics. if democrats -- want to stay that reflects their strong base of black voters, and they should, georgia's 19 percentage points ahead of the u.s. average when it comes to a black population, south carolina is just 13 points ahead. or if democrats before a state that closely matches the u.s. population in the general election, north carolina and nevada resemble the u.s. as a whole much more than south carolina does. so, when it comes the idea of replacing iowa with south

carolina, he says the whole thing would be comical if it weren't tragic. the pushback to his argument has been, well, it's been something. political spoke to a biden adviser who asked to remain anonymous, and when you see the quote, you'll understand why. here it is. making sure that the democratic party's most loyal voters, black voters, or the front of the line and not at the back of the bus feels like something no one should be arguing about. >> yes, that is a very real and i would argue very offensive quote. there's also strong pushback from dnc chair, jaime harrison. zero tolerance, zero, for any disrespect or dismissal of black voters. -- responded, it's a very insulting approach to suggest that somehow we don't care about black voters because we think snow carolina shouldn't go first. come on. get real. >> must to discuss then, joining me now, simone sanders towns, in a veteran of the 2016 bernie sanders campaign. and the 2020 biden campaign. she served in the white house as deputy assistant to

president biden, and is now the host of simone on msnbc, and here on peacock. she had her own response this week to his essay, quote, the idea that it is a ways to spend time, effort and money in south carolina is flawed, and demonstrates a fundamental lack of understanding of the process. ouch. simone, thank so much for coming back on the show. it is always a pleasure. two to talk with you, i'm not sure argue with you here, so let -- >> i don't think we're gonna agree. >> in good faith, let's run through this. south carolina hasn't voted democratic in a presidential election since 1976. in the 20 twenties senate election, democrat jamie harrison, why quoted a moment ago, spent 100 and $30 million, couldn't unseat lindsey graham. tell us why fez shackle is wrong to say the democrats should start there -- in the swing state. like georgia, nevada, michigan rather than a safe red state like south carolina. >> so, many, i've been around democratic politics for a very long time. and part of the conversation in

the party, my lashes trying to attack me, is about do we represent a depth and breadth of voters. i'm recovering democratic strategist. now hosting a show, i'm very happy about that. i think the idea that because places are some very red places, right, the state itself does not vote for democrats as a whole. is not to me a sound reason why democratic candidates, especially presidential candidates, whom if they have the opportunity to be elected president, would represent the totality of the american public. should not go and be there. the specific for talking about south carolina, i think the primary process for democrats, we can talk about the primary process for republicans. the primary process for democrats should be laid out in a way that helps you pick the strongest candidates. so, that is why the primary process requires folks to go do various constituencies. states that have different makeups. it is not, the swing state argument, that's what the dnc

is there. for the dnc is there to have an operational apparatus across key states, so that when a nominee is picked, they are not starting from scratch. and so, i think if the swing state argument is an argument folks are going for, well, that's where the parties was to be doing. >> so, what about his argument that south carolina is the worst unionized state in the country? that the primary process is a reward for states to go first. it's a boost for their local economies. and you'd be rewarding and anti union, anti organized labor state by giving the first spot to south carolina? >> well, you know, i think that the reality of the national, of the state wide politics of south carolina is in fact real. but the dem -- we're talking about the democratic primary electorate. we are not talking about what happens statewide. i think that is where i think the fundamental misunderstanding comes from. who is the democratic primary electorate in that state? what does it look like? or are there ways to grow the

party? and i think that is what people should be focusing on. look, south carolina is an anti union state, as a whole. but the black population in south carolina, much like black voters and latino voters and asian american pacific islander voters, and white voters across the country, they deserve to hear from the candidates who would like to represent them. >> -- >> and let me to say what my former colleagues in the white house would not, i think the reality is, and i have heard for both, as you know senator sanders and president biden, on both of their campaigns. i have written to campaigns and worked on and ran to campaigns in south carolina. one unsuccessful, one very successful. the reality is, in the op-ed that he writes, he notes that north carolina isn't a better option. could be a better option for democrats it is a state that is trending blue, right? a diverse electorate. the reality is, senator sanders could win democratic presidential primary in north

carolina. he has yet to be able to win a democratic presidential primary in south carolina, and we have yet to have that conversation. >> so let's pork the biden bernie arguments for a moment, and just look at the bigger point about representation and diversity. is it not disingenuous, simone, for people to attack -- who question the south carolina decision is somehow being anti black voters, as jim here is headed for example, when georgia, which of the state that a lot of people prefer, including -- has a much higher percentage of black voters in south carolina. as well as a higher percentage of latino voters. >> yeah, georgia has for folks at home, 1.1 million latino voters in the state of georgia. 50% of those voters are concentrated in the atlanta metropolitan area. gwinnett county, fulton county, a lot of places we recently talking about. in the georgia runoff. look, i don't think it's fair to say that fences in tight black. i don't think his argument is anti black. but i do think that the

argument does not take into account what the primary process of the democratic party is for. and how the demographics of the party have changed and how when the process was originally set up, who in was set up for and who it was set up for like a better term against. and i think that there should be robust debates inside the democratic party apparatus. about what puts them in the best possible position to compete against the republican counterpart. >> i think what he's trying to do, i thought some of the responses were pretty offensive, you served in the biden white house, what is your response to an unnamed aide saying that -- his argument about sending black voters to the, quote, back of the bus. that is an outrageously offensive claim, is it not? and i find it odd, that the biden white house never uses such strong, and even vicious language, to describe the mentions of the cinemas of this world, but a bernie person says something, and suddenly the segregationist. >> i think those very strong language for senator manchin when he went back on that deal

with president biden if i do remember. look, it's not a quote i would've given. i don't think we need to resort to jim crow era analogies to talk about black voters inside the democratic party apparatus. but the reality of it is this. a democrat has -- democrat in the presidential election, they haven't won white voters nationally since elated me johnson. not even bill clinton won the majority of white voters in a presidential election. i think that something to think about. so, if strongest candidate is someone that can appeal to a wide -- white voters, black voters, asian american pacific islander voters. in the primary process should be designed to do just that. the dnc is there to ensure that an all the swing states, folks are ready to go, when the nominees picked. >> i said let's park bernie biden, let's get you before finish let's come back to it, we showed joe biden on stage with south carolina congressman jim clyde burn, whose endorsement helped him win the 2020 primary there. and clear his path to the nomination.

simone, do you understand why some on the left see this as a cynical, self serving move, which will help biden win again in 2024, avoid any primary challenges against him? which would rely on say, a nevada going first? >> so, i actually do not agree with this. this idea that this ensures that joe biden or, let's even say, if vice president kamala harris is to run for president in 2028, this ensures that she is viable, and other people are not. i don't think so. look, i think the democratic party apparatus, the voters of that apparatus, they are sophisticated voters. black voters are just voting for joe biden because, jim clyburn told them to. right? i think we have to unpack that. folks were looking to see who clyburn thought was the best to represent the ideals and values of south carolina voters. and a number of people weighed heavily his endorsement. but, in all the times that i've participated in races in that state, in south carolina, much like an iowa, much like new

hampshire, and any of the other first four states that have had the opportunity to go first in the democratic primary process, voters are looking for who represents them and their values, and what their plan is to essentially make their lives better. and i think that black voters in south carolina, our justice officiated as voters in new hampshire and iowa, and they can make their own determinations. >> we had to read -- i think we disagreeing on the state of georgia versus south carolina. simone sanders townsend, always a pleasure to have you on, even when we're in rare disagreements. >> good to see your mini, all of your show. can't wait to continue watching. >> robert you, still to come, it may be the biggest news of the day. wnba star and two-time olympic gold medalist, brittney griner, has walked out of a russian prison. she is on her way home to u.s., after a prisoner swap. so, what happens next? that's after the break. after the break after the break get it bad. and for those who do get it bad, it may be because they have a high-risk factor. such as heart disease,

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and for jewish americans, that means hanukkah. a celebration of miracles, and a time to reflect on what it means to live with different beliefs. in america today, that has meant enduring a resurgence of antisemitism in the public square. and that attacks on jews. earlier this year, the anti-defamation league announced that 2021 had been the worst year for antisemitic attacks since they began recording data back in 1979. and on wednesday, second gentleman, doug emhoff, the first jewish spouse of a vice president, led a white house roundtable and how to tackle the problem. >> there's an epidemic of hate facing our country. we're seeing a rapid rise in antisemitic rhetoric and acts. let me be clear. words matter. people are no longer saying the quiet part out loud. they are literally screaming them. >> he's not row. you've heard the rhetoric from

the likes of now disgraced right-wing rapper, kanye west. aka, yay, whose anti jewish vitriol was backlog back on twitter briefly by new owner ran rhonda scent is supporter, elaine mosque, who's on free speech advocacy as reportedly led to unprecedented spike in racial and ethnic hatred on the site. antisemitic posts referring to jews or judaism increased more than 61% in the first two weeks after his acquisition of twitter, according to findings from the adl and other groups. then of course, there's the former republican president, donald trump, who dined with west and white supremacist, nick fuentes, over the thanksgiving break at mar-a-lago. just weeks after posting a threat to american jews on his own social media site, to get their act together before it's too late. kanye. elon. trump. wherever heard that before? oh yeah, that's right. and that now deleted tweet from the house judiciary republicans. it seems that whenever republican is accused of antisemitism, they follow the same card. the same defense.

i can't be antisemitic, i love israel. >> we need to be the best friend israel can have, i don't think we have been as good as friend as we should've been. >> i encourage my colleagues to show solidarity with israel, to support the presidents removal of the united states from unesco. >> i'm proud to stand here with my colleagues, stand with israel, they have the right to defend themselves. from terrorists who are trying to kill them and take their lint. >> yes. they do support israel. and they want you to know that. even as louis gohmert suggest george soros isn't really jewish because of, quote, the damage inflicted on israel. and matt gates spread the same anti-semitic source conspiracy theories. also, remember when -- brought a far-right activist and -- as his guest at the state of the union. then there's marjorie taylor greene, well, we all remember the jewish space lasers. each has said they are not antisemitic. but see? they love israel.

perhaps the most egregious example of a republican using israel as a shield against charges of antisemitism was failed pennsylvania gubernatorial candidate, doug mastery ono. whose campaign was tied to far-right antisemites, and who pushed antisemitic tropes about his jewish opponent and the jewish school he sent his son to. again, mastriano says he's not antisemitic, but when he was asked about this criticism by an israeli reporter, a jewish reporter, just listen to mastriano's wife's defense. >> i would like to make a comment on that real quick. i'm gonna say it's the family, we so much love israel, in fact, i mean estate we probably love israel more than a lot of jews do. i have to say that. >> astonishing. but it appears to be the go-to move. even republicans who do condemn antisemitism in their party, they make sure to talk about israel, and their love for the israeli government. they see it as a kind of get

out of jail free card. where could they have got this idea from? >> i love israel. and i honor introspective the jewish faith. my administration will stand side-by-side with the jewish people and israel's leaders. >> the republican jewish coalition thank you for your incredible support. i stood with your prime minister at the white house, to recognize israel sovereignty over the golan heights. >> cutting off aid to israel because of two people that hate israel and hate jewish people? and i think any jewish people that vote for a democrat, i think it shows either a total lack of knowledge or great disloyalty. >> i don't whatsapp into them, but they are totally anti israel, frankly, i think they're anti jewish. >> see? lots of antisemitism, lot of support for israel. but to be fair to trump, it isn't a new move. it's been pushed for years by far right nationalists, from hungary's viktor orban, two

americas steve bannon. people who praise israel as a buffer against muslim and arab invaders. and it's been encouraged by right-wing politicians in israel. who are happy to support far-right american politicians, in exchange for u.s. support. going back to 1998, for example, when president bill clinton sought a freeze on new israeli settlements and the occupied palestinian territories. and then, and soon to be again, israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu turned to conservative evangelicals for support against the white house. netanyahu hasn't wavered since. never mind that for most american evangelicals, their support for israel isn't about building a permanent safe haven for the world's jews. it's about fulfilling the and times prophesy's, i believe that armageddon begins with the jews making israel safer christ return, at which point all the is choosing israel will be convert to christianity overcast into hell for eternity. as one rabbi putter 1998, some of the same people are most supportive of the state of israel insecurity and

well-being don't see judaism as a form invalid religion, said rabbi -- why would netanyahu in these really far right court them? the rabbi continued, many american jews will say any port in a storm if they support israel, that's fine. don't worry too much about the apocalypse. to have decades later, it's time to worry. antisemitic tropes, and attacks, or on the rise. across the political spectrum. but especially on the right. so look, here's a simple guide for republicans to try to remember. criticizing israel and its occupation of palestinian territories, that does not mean your antisemitic. defending and praising israel? that does not mean you are not antisemitic. got it? joining me now is msnbc political analyst peter beinart, editor large for jewish currents and the author of the biden, notebook on substack. peter, thank so much for coming back on the show. incredibly, this bizarre courtship between so-called christian scientists and

israeli politicians israeli leaders's been shepherded for a quarter of a century by benjamin netanyahu, has been prime minister for most that time. it's about to become prime minister again. here he is just days ago, rewriting history in a very friendly interview with conservative christian jordan peterson. >> it was an empty land. and in the 19th century, the idea of coming back next year in jerusalem, became a reality. by the way, in part, because of christian zionist support for the idea of the great return. areas from nearby country started immigrating, and they now became, they call themselves palestinians. they reconstructed history and said, we've been here for centuries. no they haven't. >> jordan peterson basically not along and says, right, too much of what netanyahu says. where do even start with this bizarre alliance? >> i mean, what's coming of netanyahu is kind of really

old-fashioned, colonialist racist rhetoric. the idea that these lands were not populated, there were no people there. or if there were people there, there were people there who didn't really deserve the land, because they were primitive and backward. if you look at the south african under apartheid, they used to say very similar things. that africans only came to south africa after the europeans had come and made it prosperous. the reality is, the vast majority of people, when the sinus movement started in european jews started coming in significant measures, there was a jewish population in israel palestine. most of the people were non jewish palestinian arabs. they were not backward and uncivilized, this was their home. and so, talking like this is just, i think, a sign of how kind of normalized anti palestinian, anti arab bigotry can be in fairly mainstream american conversation. >> and just be clear, peter, you're not surprised by this republican tactic of immediately citing support for israel as a defense against

charges of antisemitism? >> no, not at all. on the surface, it might seem well, how can you be hostile to american jews if you love the jewish state? but if you think about it, it's not actually that, and makes a certain distance. you like choose when they're over there. and their own country. you don't like them when your country. if this has a long history. netanyahu was talking about history of christian support for zionism. one of the most famous christians who was supporting zionism was arthur -- the foreign secretary of britain, who offered the famous bell for dictation that set the british empire support of the jewish homeland in israel palestine. you know what? author bell for, big antisemite? when's prime minister of the beginning of the 20th century, he helped push through the aliens act that shut off immigration from eastern europe to england. because he didn't win a lot of juice coming to england. you know we one of them to go? he wasn't good to palestine, he didn't want them in his country. and 100 years later, we see a similar version of this today. people who want america to be

to white, christian nation have problems with shoes, because a, we're not question. and be, we have this pesky habit of allying with black people and immigrants and muslim people and lgbtq people and saying, we want to be a white christian country. what is to be a country which feeds people israel, israel on the other hand, is the jewish country, which privileges jews, and serves as a kind of model for the ethnostate that these republicans want here. >> to be clear, let's talk about the -- elephant in the room. this phenomenon of antisemitism and embracing israel as a crutch, exploded because of donald trump. you heard that earlier. here's another tribute clip from last year, i will ask you about. have a listen. >> there's people in this country that are jewish, no longer love israel. i'll tell you, the evangelical christians love israel more than the jews in this country. the jewish people in the united states either don't like israel, or don't care about israel. look at the new york times, the

new york times hate israel. hate them. and they're jewish people that run the new york times. >> peter, he goes from not enough jews love israel to jews revenue media faster than a testicle from zero to 60. and it's just not talked about enough. >> no, his logic is insane. amounted to said to you, mehdi, your test of how good a muslim you are, is whether you support the regime in saudi arabia. right? american jews will say, first of all, where american. so it's american jews have the right to be concerned about what happens in america. rather than what happens in israel. secondly, american jews have the percent of values which historically been associated with the idea of equality under the law for all people, irrespective of race, religion insects. that's why jews overwhelming support of the civil rights movement. so, a lot of american jews looking at israel, and they say, it doesn't accord with those values. there's nothing inconsistent about that. >> one last quick question, you even have trump proxies like

boris -- who is jewish himself. basically defining jewishness in a pretty awful way, have a listen. >> -- it's on a foreign affairs committee. of the house. she gets to determine how we deal with israel. after denigrating israel, denigrating the jewish people. and jake tapper did nothing about. he's a pathetic, excuse for human being, and he's a pathetic excuse for a jew. >> that is chilling rhetoric, peter. >> i mean, the striking thing about that, he actually has proposed legislation that united states should sell weapons to no countries that violate human rights abuses. muslim, christian or jewish. these are people whose fundamental view is that they don't care about human rights anywhere, they want america to be a much less democratic, liberal society, they like the very forces an israel that are making it more and more hostile impressive to palestinians, those are their political principles. >> sadly, those are.

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