>> that is all the time i have for today, i am alicia menendez. i will see you back here tomorrow for more american voices, but for now, i handed over to my colleague, ayman mohyeldin. has it going, ayman? >> hey, alicia, thank you so much, i greatly appreciate it. >> good evening to you at home, welcome to ayman tonight. trump's terrible week expanded into legal troubles. embarrassing political losses and pressing political losses, he cannot simply catch a break. then what the heck is going on with kristen sinema. what we think is behind her sudden political change. and brittney griner is back on u.s. soil, we're breaking reaction from her wife and what is going on with paul whelan. i am ayman mohyeldin, let's get started. ♪ ♪ ♪

mark your calendars, the january six committee early christmas present, the long awaited final report, said to be released on december 21st. that document could be up to a eight chapters long, and it is expected to include information that has yet to be made public, including hundreds of transcripts from interviews with more than 1000 witnesses. this week chairman bennie thompson made the bombshell announcement that along with the report, the panel will release its list of criminal referrals to the justice department. one man who has no doubt check that list, donald trump. here's what congressman adam schiff, a member of the committee said about the historic possibility of recommending charges against the ex president. >> i think the facts support a potential charge against the former president, and the

justice department in my view needs to hold everyone equally responsible before the law, including the former president, when they engage criminality. >> so on the same day that the committee made the announcement, the trump organization was convicted on all charges in a criminal tax fraud scheme here in new york. after just 12 hours of deliberation, the jury delivered a guilty verdict on 17 counts, which could amount to 1. 4 $6 million in fines for the ex president's namesake, his namesake's real estate empire. of course, trump himself is not on trial and that case but during their closing arguments, prosecutors basically told the jury that the ex president was, quote, explicitly sanctioning tax fraud. and experts say that the verdict could help bolster other cases targeting trump and his businesses. is this the first of what might be many dominoes to fall for donald trump, and if so, what could be next?

let's discuss this with suzanne craig, an msnbc contributor and investigative reporter for the new york times and renato mariotti, a former legal prosecutor and legal columnist for politico. it's good to have both of you with us. suzannah, i'd like to start with you. you've been following trump and his taxes for year. you and i have spoken about this many times before. talk to us about the significance of the conviction. >> honestly, it does feel like you and i talked about this last friday, it feels like weeks ago, so much has happened this week. but it's significant. it's significant for the verdict itself, when you sit back and think the former president of the united states is coming and has been convicted of tax fraud. i just don't think you can overstate how important that is. that is devastating politically. there's probably a lot of political ads here. he's running, but that will certainly lead be one of the notes.

i think where you see this going in the months to come visit us, it's going to put wind in the sales of investigators who are looking at it. we thought the men had in the a was not going to go forward with other charges. they now have brought in firepower, and are looking at additional charges. i have to tell you that the case that i am keeping my eye on is that one that the attorney general of new york is sitting on, the civil case that could result in a 250 million dollar fine. this is got to put pressure on potential settlement. he does not want to take that to a court in new york state. >> renato, one legal expert i heard said this fraud trial conviction could be, quote, a death now for the trump organization. do you see it like that? explain the impact that this verdict could have on the ex president and his business dealings broadly? >> i actually think, certainly think it will have an impact on that civil trial, that was just mentioned a moment ago. frankly, there is relief that is being sought by letitia

james, the attorney general of new york, that would basically effectively and the trump organization as we know it. it will prohibit trump from obtaining commercial real state in york, basically have a license for that business. they ultimately, trump and their family members could not do business the way they have been doing, and this fraud conviction could be admissible in a civil case in new york state. it's just hard for me to understand how new york in a civil case is going to let off the trump organization, one it's already been convicted of fraud in a criminal case. if i was trump's attorneys, what i would be telling them is, my business, your business, is in serious peril and ultimately, you've got to reach a settlement with what she says james, and she has asked for a lot and is basically put all her chips into the middle

because she knows she has a way again. >> suzannah, do you think that trump, who has vowed to appeal this verdict could be successful? what do we expect next? >> they are going to appeal. i think it will be a hard case. i also think the idea of a settlement with the attorney general, even that, will be painful. his businesses are not doing great. they were hurt by the pandemic, and to have to pay a settlement, if it's starting at 2:50, even if they come in at 1:50 or one, we don't know, but it will be very painful, and this is a fine, it's not tax deductible. i really got my eye on the, whether it's a settlement or goes to trial, i think either is bad news for him. maybe he can mitigate some of the pain in terms of his ability to operate in the state of new york if he settles. >> of course, the other big news this week, renata, was the january six committee referral,

i want to talk about that for a moment. a criminal referral simply the, air furrow. the doj has the final say here, they don't want to do anything with it, but it's important to remember that a federal judge in a court filing earlier this year already asserted that trump and his lawyer john eastman boss likely broke the law with their fake electors scheme. if the committee does refer trump for criminal charges, specifically on that and other things, you think the doj will follow through? do you believe the referral carry significant weight? >> so i do think, ayman, the department of justice will follow through. jack smith has already been pursuing these matters. they already investigating grand jury subpoenas go up from the special counsel's office to the state officials, for example. arizona and other states. for that reason, i actually

think that the biggest impact from the committee is not going to be referrals of trump, eastman, clark the people that the justice department are already investigating, but what i will look for is are they referring other individuals that may have lied to them, trying to obstruct their investigations, intimidate others. that will be interesting to see because, that is something that the committee may know about than the justice department. >> renata, let me follow up on the. the special counsel sent jim jury subpoenas to local officials and arizona, michigan and wisconsin. these are three states that were part of trump's failed plan to stay in power following the 2020 election. you think he's asking officials

there for any and all communications that they may have had with either trump, his campaign, other political allies? what does that moves tell you about where the investigation is heading? >> i think that's part of the fake electors scheme, i believe. that investigation is in the early stages. i want to compare that to mar-a-lago. we have seen the mar-a-lago documents case pretty far along, right? they raided trump's residence, brought witnesses before the grand jury. that looks like potential charges. i would not be surprised if jack smith pursues charges against trump in the mar-a-lago case and then continues the fake electors scheme investigation, which could take quite some time. i expect that investigation to go on for months to come. >> all right, renata mariotti, suzanna craig, thank you both for starting this evening off with us. greatly appreciate your insights and expertise as always. coming up, the biggest loser and the georgia senate runoff was not russia walker but donald trump. research shows people remember commercials with nostalgia. so to help you remember that liberty mutual customizes your home insurance, here's one that'll really take you back. wow!

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toxic trump endorsement after the gop suffered the last and final term defeat. herschel walker's loss and the georgia senate runoff reignited the blame game on capitol hill with several top republicans joining the trump pile on. >> what i think is obvious is candidates whose primary complication is loyalty to donald trump, and who propagate the lies about the 2020 election and they want to re-lit>> but you can't say objectively is that those candidates most closely associated with president, former president trump underperformed. that is objective. >> i think he's less relevant all the time. again, even if you capture all

of the trump voters, you may be able to win a primary, but you are not necessarily going to win a general election. >> so since announcing his presidential bid a few weeks ago, trump has barely left his mar-a-lago estate. his seclusion coupled with extreme losses have left an increasingly isolated with in the gop. in fact, one senior official who work on trump's 2020 campaign told nbc news that trump wanted to scare away challengers, sputtering launch could in fact do the opposite. let's discuss this and more with molly jiang fast, hosted the fast politics podcast and michelle goodwin, professor of law university of california irvine. it's good to have you both with us. molly, a start with you. your reaction generally of results of a georgia and what it says about the power of the once-coveted trump endorsement? >> we now see this is the fourth election that trump has grown up with the republicans. here's the thing, these republicans that want to break with trump, officially break with trump? until they do that, because they're scared of alienating the base, and until they do that, they are not going to

have a choice, right? they are going to have to make that painful choice and say, we are not running trump, and that they will lose ten, 15% of the base not coming along. until they make that calculus, i am not sure what any of this will do for them. >> michelle, there's a campaign official that told the washington post that trump's quiet kickoff period was all part of the plan noting we are still two years out and there will be time to do advance, time to do rallies, and the real reason that trump announced this early, hoping it could provide some sort of legal cover. a month into his campaign, how would you say that calculation is pending out for donald trump. >> it was a failed calculation, a failed calculation because his company, namesake company has been convicted for tax fraud. there's also a civil investigation that is taking place.

he's not done well either with regard to the documents that he claims that were in his possession, that he claimed were not in his possession. he's not in good shape with the doj, and it's been a failed time, not the least of which was also the failure with regard to the senate race in georgia, where he associated himself with that, with herschel walker's campaign, and that was a big loss, a big win for the dems, but i will say this, for all of his losses, americans will be suffering for a long time because of the appointment he was able to make to the night estates from court and also some of the lower federal court appointments. >> molly, there is this new piece on the nbc thanks site, john hart, former gop communications director. he says that regardless of how they say it, if republicans don't write trump's obituary today, trump will surely right there is tomorrow, as he had in the past three election cycles. you know the smart political position for republicans would be to distance themselves from trump, but most are still refusing to do so, and you touched on that right now, why do you think they are still

refusing to distance themselves from trump officials? >> i think it is twofold. one is it that they're not brief. if we have seen anything since 2015, these are not brave people, right? they don't want to be harassed. they don't want to put their families in danger. you know the way that trump world works, you get a lot of death threats. it could be very scary. i think the other reason is that there still is a right-wing media machine that supports trump, and so they're worried about that too. a lot of these people, remember, a lot of people who challenge trump lost a republican primaries, so i mean, there is evidence to support that you do

actually need him in the primaries but can't win with him in the generals, which is an impossible situation to be in. the more cowardly they are, and the more they hang on to this, use of republicans really wanted democrats to get rid of trump for them, and it did not happen that way. now they are stuck with him. >> not to mention, kevin mccarthy food on to florida and basically resuscitated donald trump after january six and then lindsey graham, who said that he is done with trump, has gotten back on the trump wagon. michelle, trump caused a firestorm last week when he called for terminating parts of the u.s. constitution over baseless cams of election fraud. even though, honestly, some republicans rebuke trump for those comments, they actually stopped short of saying that it disqualified him from running again. that is absolutely shocking to

me. should they expect and adherence to the constitution be a nonnegotiable qualifier for presidential candidates? >> it's an excellent question that you have asked, and why we have seen a constitution for me but not for the? we have seen that with regard to the hard right and the first amendment, wanting to amplify and weaponize the first amendment to deny people the opportunity to get wedding cakes and to protest in front of abortion clinics, to stop people from using the term abortion if they're librarians and so much more, but yet, none interested in making sure that all americans have access to that when they disagree with republican platforms. we have seen the attack on the 14th amendment and substantive due process. in fact, what is really interesting is given the cases that are before the supreme court, this term, how there is so much talk about originalism and the failure to even connect the 13th, 14th, 15th amendments with reconstruction and also

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>> and an arizona op-ed, sinema cited, quote, a disconnect between what americans want from politics and what political parties are offering because, apparently, what americans want from our politics is someone who ran as a democrat and promised them that she would vote as a democrat, was voted into office as a democrat and then decided to change parties. now, sinema's decision willchane senate. it was the function as a 51, 49 chamber where democrats hold the majority and i have full control of committees, but a democratic aide told abc news that sinema will get her committee assignments to democrats. sinema made clear that she will not caucus with the republicans, so let's be clear about this, this move, where no one is happy except for kristen sinema is not about what americans want from our politics, it's about kristen sinema making the decisions that benefit kristen sinema. she made this announcement just

days after raphael warnock's win in georgia, which sent further solidified a democratic majority in the upper chin bear. one of the biggest takeaway to the election was that no one senator will be able to control what the party could or could not do anymore. there would not be a joe manchin or a kristen sinema holding up the party or holding the party hostage. this move puts cinema front and center again, to do what she wants, not with the american people who elected her want. my panel is back with me, michelle, i'll start with you on this one. do you agree with the sense here that kristen sinema likely wanted to maintain her outsized role with the democrats, so leveraged this one seat that she had to try to have a little bit more say in what the democratic caucus can or cannot do without her? >> it certainly does mean a very strategic move on her part, and is one where she is exerting considerable leverage, which she has done over in recent years. for her, one thing is that it means greater transparency, which is important. if you think about this as her

using leverage, at least now, everyone is clear about where she stands. you can look at articles, right, even from a year or two ago to question what she is all about. political said that this is pure chaos, who she is, so not perhaps, everyone is clear the kristen sinema is really thinking about herself in this regard. you know, the voters in arizona could take that into account the next time the election comes up, where she is a candidate. >> molly, senator sinema's constituents voted her into office as a democrat. she promised them that should vote as a democrat to deliver a democratic agenda. biden won in 2020, mark kelly won in 2022 as democrats. she is claiming that she is the sitting to her constituents, but it does not make sense to me. does it make sense to you that if arizonian's are saying we are electing democrats, mark kelly, joe biden, kristen sinema, and you are not tying us you are listening to your constituents telling us you want to be an independent. >> yeah, and actually in

arizona, they just elected a democratic governor, democratic secretary of state, a whole slate of democrats. there are two theories, some people think that she is doing this for attention empower. i actually think she is doing this with her eye and 2024 because she knows she can't win a democratic primary now, and she know that will be because of. see already knows that reuben geico or primary her and maybe somebody else to. i think she thinks that if she is an independent now, that when she runs, she won't have to do a primary, which he would lose, and then she can just raise money from the no labels crew, which are basically her people. she will have a shut. realistically, he will probably not have a shot, but she can take down the democrat and, perhaps, that is what she wants.

i don't see any other reason. in fact, that interview with tapper, she says i will do the same stuff, i will vote the same, this will not change anything, so this is the only reason that she would do the. >> let me switch gears for a moment, michelle, before we go. i want to ask you about your recent up and in the new york times. you cowrote a piece with mary ziegler about the next antiabortion tactic, which is been crackdown on speech and information about reproductive rights. talk to me about how the target of information on abortion is extremely dangerous and how it is already playing out across the country? >> it's playing out in many different ways, so one of the first is that for those who claim that they have some religious exemption from providing birth control, those who had claimed that even after

a case of rape that they don't have to provide information about the goal standard that should be received by a patient who has been raped, we're talking about librarians being told that they can't use the term abortion or help anyone to search for the term abortion, less they be possibly penalized and fired, and would civil fines. it's just across the board, these attacks on the first amendment that are being waged by those on the far-right and anti abortion groups. yet at the same time, what one sees just with donald trump, why should we have to pay attention to the constitution, meaning that for other people, they don't necessarily then have access to be able to exercise their first amendment right when they're being told that you can't search a term for abortion or the facebook page of a mother or daughter and nebraska is being searched and a mother being criminalized because she helped her daughter

procure and abortion. these are the deeply disconcerting issues of our times. it's not just the first amendment that we should be concerned about, it should be the whole constitution reno. >> indeed, they are disconcerting. michelle goodwin, molly jong-fast, greatly appreciate both of you with me tonight. thank you so much for your time. after this, new reaction from britney griner's rife at the wnba star landed back on u.s. soil, don't go anywhere.

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release both griner and whelan for months, but ultimately, the russians were, quote, not operating in good faith when it came to paul whelan. joining me now is william taylor, former ambassador to ukraine, the vice president at the u.s. institute for peace of russia in europe. ambassador taylor, it's good to have you back on the show. let me start with a general reaction to brittney griner's release. how do you assess, how do you evaluate this swap, if you will? >> this is clearly great news. it's great news that she is back. it demonstrates that the united states, our government over periods of times, administrations, have made every effort to bring people back who are unlawfully held, who are unlawfully detained from -- this is very good. it is a message to other governments, as well, that we will do everything it takes, as long as it takes, to bring americans home. i think it's a very good news for us. >> when you and i spoke last month, you said that the biden administration knew how to do

this swap. now that this exchange has happened, now that they did exchange this russian arms dealer, victor bout for brittney griner, you still agree with that? should we be looking at this in the way, i guess, the type of person that is being released versus the nature of the crime that that person committed? >> i think you do have to take a look at on a case by case basis. this guy is clearly a thug and clearly a murder and responsible for many deaths around the world. he's clearly a criminal. in no way does the equivalent of britney griner, in a way. that's it, he goes back, and he doesn't go back into the merchant of death business. he does not have the ability to do that any longer. the times have changed. when he was doing his dirty work, and indeed it was, there were plenty of ways that he could get weapons in the chaos that was the former soviet union. there are plenty of ways that he could move those weapons because of the availability of aircraft.

neither of those conditions holds today, he will not be able to do this again. we presumably, i am sure we have gotten as much permission from him during the time that he was in jail that we could have. so i think it's important to have brought her back and, yes, it's distasteful, and you had to do this on a case by case basis, but in this case, i do agree that this is the right move. >> let me pose to you, if i can, sir, something that republican senator thom klein said in a statement, that griner's release, quote, should not have come at the cost of releasing one of the world's worst arms

dealers and creating a dangerous precedent for our enemies. detain americans and democrats will agree to set your worst killers free. i'll give you a chance to respond to what he said. >> again, i think we had to do this on a case by case basis. you have to weigh both sides. it is a tough call, there's no doubt that this guy really was a -- is a terrible person, a criminal, should be in jail. there's no doubt about that. that sent, we do have an obligation, and we take this obligation seriously, to bring our people home that are wrongfully detained. so this was a tough call, but i think the president made the right call in this case. the guy is not going to be able to do what he did before. it is that the times are different, and brittney griner has a life, and her family is whole. >> do you agree, sir, with the

criticism that paul whelan should have been a part of the prisoner exchange? seems that the american administration, the biden administration saying that the russians were not negotiating about him in good faith, but should the u.s. have insisted more about paul whelan being a part of this package? >> i understand that that was our insistence all along or from the time that we made this proposal, that this was our position, that we pushed very hard for it. the russians don't operate in good faith. they don't negotiate in good faith, so i totally understand and am sympathetic to anyone trying to negotiate with the russians on these kinds of things. it was important to bring britney griner home. and, it would have been great to bring the boat home. i am sure that paul whelan is also unlawfully detained, then you could push very hard and do everything we can. in order to bring him back. >> ambassador william taylor, it's always a pleasure, thank you so much, i know this is a complicated issue. we greatly appreciate you helping us make sense of it.

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assault weapons ban. >> attempt to ban assault weapons, a whole range of things, it's just common sense, just simple common sense. but you know, we did it before, we did and guess what, it worked, a number of violent mass murders, reduced significant, a lot of people's lives were saved. you know, we can do it again. >> former president obama, who of course cried when talking about the children murdered in newtown, connecticut, attended a sandy hook promise event at the beginning of the week. >> so i will admit it, i still get angry every time i read about the latest senseless shooting, whether it is in a church or synagogue, a grocery store or a college campus or a home, or on a city street. i feel, and i hope you do. >> now, earlier, i spoke with nicole hockley, the cofounder and ceo of sandy hook promise.

she started the foundation after she chose to transform her grief over the loss of her son dylan, who was killed in the sandy hook shooting into action. >> nicole, thank you so much for joining us. the former president obama has said that he was deeply impacted by the sandy hook shooting. we all remember the images of what had happened and hearing him speak and how emotional he was about it. it's obvious when you hear him talk about it, even today, it has packed him. how does it feel to have him speak at your event this week? >> it was wonderful having president obama at the sandy

hook promise event. this is a day that he speaks of often, not just as a president but as a father. he was there again as a president and as a father, meeting with my family and the other families backstage, spending time with each of us. the words he said rang so true. he is still very saddened and angry about what had happened and the lack of senate action afterwards. it meant a great deal for him to be there and share his reflections ten years later. >> as you said, it's been ten years, and when we look back at this year, you had mayors from 70 cities that experienced mass shootings this year alone and sent letters to chuck schumer and mitch mcconnell urging them to act on gun control legislation. they write in part, quote, how much more death and destruction must our residents and communities and/or before the

senate acts? the time to pass the assault weapons ban and the background check expansion act is now. i think most americans would agree with that. do you think any more federal action will actually happen, or is up to the states now to lead this fight? >> i think there will be federal action, but i don't think it will be as quickly as people would like it to be. i do think things will happen more on a state level in terms of student safety, gun safety, mental health and wellness. and i do think that we also need to remember that there's a lot we can do in our communities. we can't sit around and wait until policy makers agree with us on issues. until they are elected or reelected, this is important that we prioritize the lives that are at stake right now and every day across the country, impressive current politicians for action but also for community based actions to look after ourselves. >> i am curious if you are watching what is happening with the supreme court with any cause or concern. the evolution of the supreme court, i would like for you to talk about that for a moment. it has evolved into the superconservative majority on

the bench, and any potential gun control legislation is likely to be challenged in the courts. how concerned are you about it? who are your thoughts about the way the supreme court has signaled the issue of gun control in this country? >> i think the supreme court has made some surprising decisions of late on multiple issues, and some that are completely out of line with what the general population thanks. i think if an issue of gun control or gun violence does pass in congress and makes its way to the supreme court, it be very difficult for them to go against the will of the people and their elected officials. i think it's one we have to continue to watch and remind the supreme court that they are there to hold up the constitution but also, in a way that is not biased towards their own political leanings. >> i wanted to ask you about alex jones for a moment. he has become so intertwined with the sandy hook story. he has had a massive court loss several massive losses, totaling more than a billion dollars, regarding the misinformation he spread about

sandy hook. do you think that was a turning point for you and other sandy hook families to see someone like him held accountable for the false lies that he spent about what happened on that day? >> there was a certain sense of justice for me in the courtroom that day, but really, this was a turning point for conspiracy theorists and also the war on misinformation that is happening in our country right now. i think it's an important message that if you willingly and maliciously spread false information on your own personal agenda, because this profit and money, that hurts others and he will be held accountable. i hope that this is a turning point for the spread of missile mission so that people realize there are consequences for

their actions, so stop doing it. that's what i hope this is all about. >> of course, we all know that you lost their son tragically in the newtown shooting, don't. before we go, if you don't mind, i'd love to hear some memories of dylan and how he has inspired you to keep fighting nearly a decade later. >> dylan was the center of love and our family. he was a very loving little boy, absolutely gorgeous and had this gigantic smile and laugh and sing song voice. people with tickle him just to see hear him laugh because he was so sweet. he was autistic, so he had issue with speech delays, and he like playing with other kids, but he did not understand the rules. that did not stop him from playing with them. they always included him. when i think about some of the work that sandy hook promises done in terms of creating more inclusive school communities, where people look out for each other, people realize they need to step up and do something about it, there is a lot of dillon speier in there. for us, he called himself a

butterfly, once, because he jumped up and down and flap so much. i talked at his funeral about the butterfly theory that one butterfly flapping its wings can cause change on the other side of the world, and dylan and all the other butterflies across the world that need protecting and that have been lost to gun violence or -- they're the ones flopping for the change that we will see. >> nicole hockley, i know it's always hard to talk about this around the holidays but thank you so much, and i can assure you that your beautiful butterfly is changing the world through your actions and the actions of so many other families. thank you so much for everything you do and coming onto the show to talk to us about it. thank you. >> thank you, thank you. >> coming up, switching gears, morocco just became the first african and arab country to reach the world cup semifinals, and they're using their platform to bring visibility to a core issue.

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